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socal2 says

Face it - this war will drag on at least until after next year's US Presidential election. Russia has barely made any gains since they lost much of the initial territory in 2022. Ukraine just needs to hang on.

Had Putin really wanted to conquer all of Ukraine, he could have easily accomplished that within about a month. The reason? Superior Russian air power which could have leveled Kiev in a matter of days.

Ukraine 'hanging on' means that they have to ramp up their kidnapping of unwilling Ukrainians off the streets in order to fight at the front. Not too long ago, Ukraine released the number of Ukrainian soldiers KIA at 400,000+, and then immediately removed that information. Military experts are claiming the death toll to be north of 500,000. How long can such blood shed continue? It can't, and Zelensky knows it, so do the Ukrainian people. Precisely why he has suspended Presidential elections.

The continuing expansion of NATO and the encirclement of Russia by the West is the cause of this war, and not Putin's desire to expand Russian territory.

RayAmerica says

The continuing expansion of NATO and the encirclement of Russia by the West is the cause of this war, and not Putin's desire to expand Russian territory.

By that definition, Putin's total fuck-up of a war failed as he gained 2 new NATO members right next door all the while losing major naval basing in Crimea.

Is all that worth the hundreds of thousands of casualties Russia has suffered over the last 1.5 years along with exposing to the whole world what a 2nd rate shit show military Russia has?

Again - how totally pathetic that Russia can't "win" by defeating their next door neighbor that is supposedly filled with pro-Russian citizens needing liberation? If Russia can't manage logistic supply lines right next door, they are no threat to anyone else on the planet.

socal2 says

"How many Russians have been killed for Putin's "victory" at this point?"

Very few. In contrast, Ukraine's army was completely wiped out.

Bottom line: The US and NATO suffered a humiliating defeat in Ukraine. And as you know a military defeat has consequences. Pretending that Ukraine is winning will not change the fact.

The_Deplorable says

Pretending that Ukraine is winning will not change the fact.

Based on his statements, he thinks all kind of non-issuea he keeps bringing up about the Russians are a valid deflection from the fact that Ukraine is fucked.

And some of the things he's said are totally not true, like he's witnessed thousands of Russians die on YouTube and that Ukraine has one of the largest/most capable militaries in the world, etc.

socal2 says

Putin's total fuck-up of a war failed as he gained 2 new NATO members right next door all the while losing major naval basing in Crimea.

Those bass are still there, under Russian control. Why do you keep posting nonsense?

Oh, and Ukraine is still fucked.

socal2 says

Is all that worth the hundreds of thousands of casualties Russia has suffered over the last 1.5 years along with exposing to the whole world what a 2nd rate shit show military Russia has?

1) you keep quoting shit you can't prove and b) even if it was true, it's inconsequential: Ukraine is still fucked.

socal2 says

Again - how totally pathetic that Russia can't "win" by defeating their next door neighbor that is supposedly filled with pro-Russian citizens needing liberation? If Russia can't manage logistic supply lines right next door, they are no threat to anyone else on the planet.

They are managing them fine compared to the Ukeys - who are now rationing artillery teams to just two shells per day and totally failed in their summer offensive.

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socal2 says

If Russia can't manage logistic supply lines right next door, they are no threat to anyone else on the planet.

Absolutely true, Russia is not a threat. The warmongers need to stop claiming that a Russian victory in Ukraine means Eastern Europe is next.

HeadSet says

Absolutely true, Russia is not a threat. The warmongers need to stop claiming that a Russian victory in Ukraine means Eastern Europe is next.

I think the Putin fans need to stop claiming Russia will nuke the world if the West continues to provide Ukraine our old 2nd tier weapons to defend themselves.

socal2 says

I think the Putin fans need to stop claiming Russia will nuke the world if the West continues to provide Ukraine our old 2nd tier weapons to defend themselves.

Agreed, Russia nuking the West is highly unlikely. However, by supplying Ukraine we are just prolonging the war and getting more people killed. The only benefactors are the weapons dealers and politicos grifting off of Ukraine.

HeadSet says

socal2 says

If Russia can't manage logistic supply lines right next door, they are no threat to anyone else on the planet.

Absolutely true, Russia is not a threat. The warmongers need to stop claiming that a Russian victory in Ukraine means Eastern Europe is next.

Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

As does the Fluffers on PatNet that carry their water.

socal2 says

I think the Putin fans need to stop claiming Russia will nuke the world if the West continues to provide Ukraine our old 2nd tier weapons to defend themselves.

1) Nobody who calls out your BS are 'Putin fans'. That is projectionist labeling on your part.
2) Nobody claimed that Russia will nuke the world. Europe might get nuked. Some American cities also, depending upon how stupid DC is. But that doesn't constitute 'the world'.
3) Nobody claimed that Russia will nuke the world if the West continues to provide Ukraine our old 2nd tier weapons to defend themselves. Russia will nuke in response to attacks on Russian territory or against NATO forces engaged against them.
4) Ukraine has 'our old 2nd tier weapons' now? How does that square with your claim that Ukraine has a strong military then?
5) Ukraine smashed to hell THREE entire armies in an offensive against the Russians. That isn't defending. Only now are they taking up defensive positions and operations -- because the Russians are coming and they are FUCKED.

Why do you persist in posting total bullshit that can be so easily ripped to shreds like I just did?

#UkraineIsFucked

Won't stop until Moloch's tank is full, whenever that is according to the Satanists.

Another happy Ukrainian volunteer is going to battle to support BlackRock in Ukraine...

PumpingRedheads says

Another happy Ukrainian volunteer is going to battle to support BlackRock in Ukraine...

The guy smiling probably has a very important job doing backend work for $300/week for some site selling wearable fake boobs or something from SFBA, so as a vital cog in the Ukrainian Economy, he's immune from the draft.

This war has the least amount of information I've seen in my lifetime.

I just checked https://liveuamap.com/ for the first time in weeks, and everything looks pretty much the same it did early last month. And the same it looked the month before that, maybe a kilometer around Veliky Novosilka changed hands in the south and not so much as that around Bahkmut. Oh, and the Ukrainian-held pocket west of the Donetsk water treatment plant is a little bit more closed by a few hundred meters. On the other hand, no push for Chasiv Yar either from the Russian end. Basically frozen from Summer.

There is no Long Term threat from Russia winning, since they performed like ass against a far weaker country despite its extensive foreign assistance.

LiveUAmap now defaults to the Gaza map.

PumpingRedheads says

"Another happy Ukrainian volunteer is going to battle to support BlackRock in Ukraine..."

This is the real tragedy behind the war in Ukraine - the knaves are forcing Russian people to fight Russia and they go on pretending they are winning this war. To add insult to injury, they are now trying to shut down the largest church in Ukraine: The Russian Orthodox church!

AmericanKulak says

This war has the least amount of information I've seen in my lifetime.

I just checked https://liveuamap.com/ for the first time in weeks, and everything looks pretty much the same it did early last month. And the same it looked the month before that, maybe a kilometer around Veliky Novosilka changed hands in the south and not so much as that around Bahkmut. Oh, and the Ukrainian-held pocket west of the Donetsk water treatment plant is a little bit more closed by a few hundred meters. On the other hand, no push for Chasiv Yar either from the Russian end. Basically frozen from Summer.

There is no Long Term threat from Russia winning, since they performed like ass against a far weaker country despite its extensive foreign assistance.

LiveUAmap now defaults to the Gaza map.

Things might not pick up until Summer as far as movement of the front is concerned.

Translation:

#UkraineIsFucked

socal2 says

Ukraine, despite what you think - is now one of the most experienced and most heavily armed militaries in Europe

PumpingRedheads says

Gee! Wonder why?

How many Russian boys have been killed just so Putin can show the world that he has a 3rd rate military that can't even supply troops next fucking door?

Russian fluffers can't define "victory" nor will they tell you the current cost to Russia is because that is too difficult and embarrassing to discuss.

How long will it take Russia to rebuild the military they lost over the last 2 years?

Russian fluffers probably don't even believe Russia's military has been massively attrited because they are so much in denial.

socal2 says

How many Russian boys have been killed just so Putin can show the world that he has a 3rd rate military that can't even supply troops next fucking door?

It doesn't matter. Ukraine Is Still Fucked

socal2 says

Russian fluffers can't define "victory" nor will they tell you the current cost to Russia is because that is too difficult and embarrassing to discuss.

No. Because it doesn't matter. What matters is whether Ukraine is fucked or not. American taxpayers are not sending $$$$ and weapons to Russia.

socal2 says

How long will it take Russia to rebuild the military they lost over the last 2 years?

They already have. Where the fuck have you been?

And if Russia's military is as messed up as you claim, then why are the Ukeys losing? Why do they need any more of our help?



socal2 says

Russian fluffers probably don't even believe Russia's military has been massively attrited because they are so much in denial.

Now you are engaging in psychological projection.

socal2,

How did the much vaunted 'spring offensive' go for the Ukraines?

I don't have a pony in this race as I've said before. Everyone is losing. Russia looks weak AF. Ukraine could never defeat Russia. These arguments are stupid. We shouldn't be sending money and weapons. At some point the entire Eastern hemisphere outside of Australia and NZ should just die. Some of Southeast Asia can stick around I suppose. It's a shit hole including Europe. At war constantly including two of the largest wars in many people's lifetimes.

Why do we care? Fuck heritage at some point? You want to be associated with dip shits? I think the Poles are about the only ones worth defending over there. Africa is AIDS. The ME is a shit show of shit. Asia eats dogs, bat and are dirty as shit excluding S. Korea and Japan. Mexico with all the cartels is tame by comparison to most of the world.

WookieMan says

Russia looks weak AF.

Ummm..Russia looks 'weak'?

Sorry pal, but you gotta stop getting your news from the propagandists.

PumpingRedheads says

WookieMan says

Russia looks weak AF.

Ummm..Russia looks 'weak'?

Sorry pal, but you gotta stop getting your news from the propagandists.

I know. I should have rephrased. They are weak.

They're trying to get a swath of land the size of New Jersey roughly, with the "supposed" 2nd most powerful military in the world. Iraq and Afghanistan were failures, but we took control pretty quickly in both cases and lost less soldiers than Chicago residents over the same period of time. Russia has lost substantially more so far.

You can't spin this and I don't know why you'd even try. Russia AND Ukraine AND the West all look like morons. This could have been s simple land transaction where 90% of those in the territory wanted to be with Russia. It's completely stupid on any side. This could have been done two years ago without a shot fired.

RayAmerica says

socal2,

How did the much vaunted 'spring offensive' go for the Ukraines?

It didn't go well. Everyone admits that Ukraine didn't achieve its goals and now have to settle in for another winter of defense. Ukraine supporters were expecting another lightening counteroffensive where Russia lost all their ground in 2022 around Kharkiv and Kherson.

Whereas - Russian fanboys still can't admit that their 2 years old invasion has not gone to plan and they have wasted tens of thousands of human lives for little to no gain.

personal

socal2 says

Of course it matters.

No, it doesn't.

socal2 says

You can't even define "Fucked"

Are you for real or deliberately gaslighting?

PumpingRedheads says

Are you for real or deliberately gaslighting?

Dude acting like Russia hasn't had any significant casualties or bore any major costs in their Ukraine cock-up is accusing others of gaslighting? That's rich!

Hint - Russia lost more troops in a single month in Ukraine than America lost in Iraq and Afghanistan combined in over 20 years.

How long can Russia keep that up with no tangible gains?

socal2 says

Hint - Russia lost more troops in a single month in Ukraine than America lost in Iraq and Afghanistan combined in over 20 years.

So what?

Ukraine is still fucked.

socal2 says

How long can Russia keep that up with no tangible gains?

They took almost a 1/4 of the country and most of its productive population.

You're just trolling.

And this isn't about Russia. This is about Ukraine. That's what we've been told.

Or was that another lie?

Ukraine is getting increasingly desperate. They must be running out of old men and young boys that they kidnap off the streets to be used as fodder at the front:



Ukraine could conscript women – MP

Kiev has struggled to mobilize enough men for frontline duty

The Ukrainian government should consider the possibility of drafting women if that is deemed necessary in the conflict with Russia, member of parliament Inna Sovsun said on Monday.

Sovsun is one of the 20 deputies of Golos in the Verkhovna Rada. The self-styled liberal and pro-EU party is best known for proposing the legalization of pornography and same-sex civil unions earlier this year.

“There will be unpopular decisions,” she told the Ukrainian media on Monday. “I do not deny that we can reach the point of mobilizing women. If it’s needed for defense, then it’s needed for defense. If there is a rationale, a tool and mechanisms, we must discuss [them].”

Last month, Zelensky promised a “comprehensive proposal” to reform the conscription system, which has yet to be announced. According to Russian intelligence, Ukraine’s backers in the West have demanded expanding the draft to teenagers, older men – and women.

RayAmerica says

Kiev has struggled to mobilize enough men for frontline duty

The Ukrainian government should consider the possibility of drafting women if that is deemed necessary in the conflict with Russia, member of parliament Inna Sovsun said on Monday.

But that's impossible! Because we were told this:

socal2 says

Ukraine, despite what you think - is now one of the most experienced and most heavily armed militaries in Europe

PumpingRedheads says

socal2 says

Hint - Russia lost more troops in a single month in Ukraine than America lost in Iraq and Afghanistan combined in over 20 years.

So what?

Ukraine is still fucked.

Both countries are fucked. There will be no winner in this. Both countries are decimating their productive population. Russia is destroying the land it wants and will have to rebuild it with less men than they had before their mind boggling retarded invasion.

America is dumb for even being involved at any level. This wasn't about protecting Europe. Russia is clearly not capable of doing any harm to Europe in modern times and with modern international war crimes being a thing. You can't fight wars like you used to. Russia is a paper tiger, but they will ultimately get what they want at a massive cost instead of just outright offing cash money to the Ukrainians for the land. This should have been a real estate transaction and not a war. This is small dick syndrome by idiotic leaders. Russia can print cash with all their resources. This whole thing is stupid and it's stupid to argue about it.

Just let them kill each other. Who cares at the end of the day? Let Russia have its non-existent surface navy control the pond called the Black Sea. If that's a victory for them, that's rather sad. Do we even export/ship anything into the Black Sea past Istanbul? This whole thing is dumb and no one should care unless you have family there.

Wookiee war wasn’t made over real estate, it is intentional geo political nato vs russia.