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AmericanKulak says

This war has the least amount of information I've seen in my lifetime.

I just checked https://liveuamap.com/ for the first time in weeks, and everything looks pretty much the same it did early last month. And the same it looked the month before that, maybe a kilometer around Veliky Novosilka changed hands in the south and not so much as that around Bahkmut. Oh, and the Ukrainian-held pocket west of the Donetsk water treatment plant is a little bit more closed by a few hundred meters. On the other hand, no push for Chasiv Yar either from the Russian end. Basically frozen from Summer.

There is no Long Term threat from Russia winning, since they performed like ass against a far weaker country despite its extensive foreign assistance.

LiveUAmap now defaults to the Gaza map.

Things might not pick up until Summer as far as movement of the front is concerned.

Translation:

#UkraineIsFucked

socal2 says

Ukraine, despite what you think - is now one of the most experienced and most heavily armed militaries in Europe

PumpingRedheads says

Gee! Wonder why?

How many Russian boys have been killed just so Putin can show the world that he has a 3rd rate military that can't even supply troops next fucking door?

Russian fluffers can't define "victory" nor will they tell you the current cost to Russia is because that is too difficult and embarrassing to discuss.

How long will it take Russia to rebuild the military they lost over the last 2 years?

Russian fluffers probably don't even believe Russia's military has been massively attrited because they are so much in denial.

socal2 says

How many Russian boys have been killed just so Putin can show the world that he has a 3rd rate military that can't even supply troops next fucking door?

It doesn't matter. Ukraine Is Still Fucked

socal2 says

Russian fluffers can't define "victory" nor will they tell you the current cost to Russia is because that is too difficult and embarrassing to discuss.

No. Because it doesn't matter. What matters is whether Ukraine is fucked or not. American taxpayers are not sending $$$$ and weapons to Russia.

socal2 says

How long will it take Russia to rebuild the military they lost over the last 2 years?

They already have. Where the fuck have you been?

And if Russia's military is as messed up as you claim, then why are the Ukeys losing? Why do they need any more of our help?



socal2 says

Russian fluffers probably don't even believe Russia's military has been massively attrited because they are so much in denial.

Now you are engaging in psychological projection.

socal2,

How did the much vaunted 'spring offensive' go for the Ukraines?

I don't have a pony in this race as I've said before. Everyone is losing. Russia looks weak AF. Ukraine could never defeat Russia. These arguments are stupid. We shouldn't be sending money and weapons. At some point the entire Eastern hemisphere outside of Australia and NZ should just die. Some of Southeast Asia can stick around I suppose. It's a shit hole including Europe. At war constantly including two of the largest wars in many people's lifetimes.

Why do we care? Fuck heritage at some point? You want to be associated with dip shits? I think the Poles are about the only ones worth defending over there. Africa is AIDS. The ME is a shit show of shit. Asia eats dogs, bat and are dirty as shit excluding S. Korea and Japan. Mexico with all the cartels is tame by comparison to most of the world.

WookieMan says

Russia looks weak AF.

Ummm..Russia looks 'weak'?

Sorry pal, but you gotta stop getting your news from the propagandists.

PumpingRedheads says

WookieMan says

Russia looks weak AF.

Ummm..Russia looks 'weak'?

Sorry pal, but you gotta stop getting your news from the propagandists.

I know. I should have rephrased. They are weak.

They're trying to get a swath of land the size of New Jersey roughly, with the "supposed" 2nd most powerful military in the world. Iraq and Afghanistan were failures, but we took control pretty quickly in both cases and lost less soldiers than Chicago residents over the same period of time. Russia has lost substantially more so far.

You can't spin this and I don't know why you'd even try. Russia AND Ukraine AND the West all look like morons. This could have been s simple land transaction where 90% of those in the territory wanted to be with Russia. It's completely stupid on any side. This could have been done two years ago without a shot fired.

RayAmerica says

socal2,

How did the much vaunted 'spring offensive' go for the Ukraines?

It didn't go well. Everyone admits that Ukraine didn't achieve its goals and now have to settle in for another winter of defense. Ukraine supporters were expecting another lightening counteroffensive where Russia lost all their ground in 2022 around Kharkiv and Kherson.

Whereas - Russian fanboys still can't admit that their 2 years old invasion has not gone to plan and they have wasted tens of thousands of human lives for little to no gain.

personal

socal2 says

Of course it matters.

No, it doesn't.

socal2 says

You can't even define "Fucked"

Are you for real or deliberately gaslighting?

PumpingRedheads says

Are you for real or deliberately gaslighting?

Dude acting like Russia hasn't had any significant casualties or bore any major costs in their Ukraine cock-up is accusing others of gaslighting? That's rich!

Hint - Russia lost more troops in a single month in Ukraine than America lost in Iraq and Afghanistan combined in over 20 years.

How long can Russia keep that up with no tangible gains?

socal2 says

Hint - Russia lost more troops in a single month in Ukraine than America lost in Iraq and Afghanistan combined in over 20 years.

So what?

Ukraine is still fucked.

socal2 says

How long can Russia keep that up with no tangible gains?

They took almost a 1/4 of the country and most of its productive population.

You're just trolling.

And this isn't about Russia. This is about Ukraine. That's what we've been told.

Or was that another lie?

Ukraine is getting increasingly desperate. They must be running out of old men and young boys that they kidnap off the streets to be used as fodder at the front:



Ukraine could conscript women – MP

Kiev has struggled to mobilize enough men for frontline duty

The Ukrainian government should consider the possibility of drafting women if that is deemed necessary in the conflict with Russia, member of parliament Inna Sovsun said on Monday.

Sovsun is one of the 20 deputies of Golos in the Verkhovna Rada. The self-styled liberal and pro-EU party is best known for proposing the legalization of pornography and same-sex civil unions earlier this year.

“There will be unpopular decisions,” she told the Ukrainian media on Monday. “I do not deny that we can reach the point of mobilizing women. If it’s needed for defense, then it’s needed for defense. If there is a rationale, a tool and mechanisms, we must discuss [them].”

Last month, Zelensky promised a “comprehensive proposal” to reform the conscription system, which has yet to be announced. According to Russian intelligence, Ukraine’s backers in the West have demanded expanding the draft to teenagers, older men – and women.

RayAmerica says

Kiev has struggled to mobilize enough men for frontline duty

The Ukrainian government should consider the possibility of drafting women if that is deemed necessary in the conflict with Russia, member of parliament Inna Sovsun said on Monday.

But that's impossible! Because we were told this:

socal2 says

Ukraine, despite what you think - is now one of the most experienced and most heavily armed militaries in Europe

PumpingRedheads says

socal2 says

Hint - Russia lost more troops in a single month in Ukraine than America lost in Iraq and Afghanistan combined in over 20 years.

So what?

Ukraine is still fucked.

Both countries are fucked. There will be no winner in this. Both countries are decimating their productive population. Russia is destroying the land it wants and will have to rebuild it with less men than they had before their mind boggling retarded invasion.

America is dumb for even being involved at any level. This wasn't about protecting Europe. Russia is clearly not capable of doing any harm to Europe in modern times and with modern international war crimes being a thing. You can't fight wars like you used to. Russia is a paper tiger, but they will ultimately get what they want at a massive cost instead of just outright offing cash money to the Ukrainians for the land. This should have been a real estate transaction and not a war. This is small dick syndrome by idiotic leaders. Russia can print cash with all their resources. This whole thing is stupid and it's stupid to argue about it.

Just let them kill each other. Who cares at the end of the day? Let Russia have its non-existent surface navy control the pond called the Black Sea. If that's a victory for them, that's rather sad. Do we even export/ship anything into the Black Sea past Istanbul? This whole thing is dumb and no one should care unless you have family there.

Wookiee war wasn’t made over real estate, it is intentional geo political nato vs russia.

Lying Was the Only Plan Biden, U.S. Ever Had in Ukraine
Narrated Version
MATT TAIBBI
DEC 19, 2023

After nearly two years of pretending "victory" was coming, the president and a senior advisor finally admit the reality of Ukraine's dilemma. On the hawks who cried wolf.

https://www.racket.news/p/listen-to-this-article-lying-was

WookieMan says

"America is dumb for even being involved at any level... This whole thing is dumb and no one should care unless you have family there."

We care because Russia defeated and humiliated the United States and NATO in Ukraine and military defeats, despite neoCon arrogance, have consequences. One such consequence is, in my thinking, is the collapse of NATO.

EU nations unwilling to comply with their own sanctions?

There are many trade flows from the #EU to #Russia via Central Asia: mostly dual-use goods that are not subject to export controls, such as cars and spare parts.

Not only Germany, but also Poland, Czechia and the Baltics are apparently not against such trade.



#UkraineIsFucked

Acknowledging that any breakthrough on the eastern bank is unrealistic for now, especially with the lack of heavy weaponry, many soldiers and officers view the operation as more of Ukraine’s effort to reassure some progress to Western allies.

Observing the political theater from a distance and death in proximity, the soldiers say they are hurt that their lives are put in jeopardy for what they say they perceive as a “political decision” to have a symbolic success on the battlefield.

“People are killed to hold on to the ruins,” said 47-year-old Senior Sergeant Petro, who leads a radio intelligence platoon of roughly 20 men with the 38th Separate Marine Brigade.

After the highly-anticipated summer 2023 counteroffensive failed to achieve its goals, Ukrainian and Western politicians used this little bridgehead to peddle hope to their allies in a static war.

It coincides with the new military aid pledges to Ukraine over August-October 2023 hitting their lowest since the start of the full-scale invasion, with an 87% drop year-to-year, according to the Kiel Institute, which tracks Ukraine aid.

socal2 says

Ukraine, despite what you think - is now one of the most experienced and most heavily armed militaries in Europe

Acknowledging that any breakthrough on the eastern bank is unrealistic for now, especially with the lack of heavy weaponry, many soldiers and officers view the operation as more of Ukraine’s effort to reassure some progress to Western allies.

Observing the political theater from a distance and death in proximity, the soldiers say they are hurt that their lives are put in jeopardy for what they say they perceive as a “political decision” to have a symbolic success on the battlefield.

“People are killed to hold on to the ruins,” said 47-year-old Senior Sergeant Petro, who leads a radio intelligence platoon of roughly 20 men with the 38th Separate Marine Brigade.

After the highly-anticipated summer 2023 counteroffensive failed to achieve its goals, Ukrainian and Western politicians used this little bridgehead to peddle hope to their allies in a static war.

It coincides with the new military aid pledges to Ukraine over August-October 2023 hitting their lowest since the start of the full-scale invasion, with an 87% drop year-to-year, according to the Kiel Institute, which tracks Ukraine aid.

#UkraineIsFucked

WashPo has started the Ukey white washing of their coverage:



#UkraineIsFucked

WookieMan says

There will be no winner in this.

Actually, Russia has already won. Ukraine wanted to surrender immediately but Biden would not let them.

Add to that the US military industrial complex and 10% for the big guy and it seems the only losers here are Ukraine, us taxpayers and the dead soldiers on both sides (sounds like more Ukraine dead than Russian but it is unfortunate anyone had to die over these lies and threats of NATO expansion).

Ukraine ‘Scales Back’ Military Operations, Blames Lack of Foreign Aid
(Quick! We need to send at least another $100 Billion. How much are we spending on our own border security?)



Ukraine has blamed a “shortfall in foreign assistance” as it suffers a shortage of munitions, forcing it to make operations “smaller” in its Western-backed war against the Russian occupation.

General Oleksandr Tarnavskyi cited shell starvation “across the entire front line” — what he called a “very big problem” – and what Reuters paraphrased as “the drop in foreign military aid” as being major factors in the reduced combat readiness of Ukrainian troops. Speaking to the wire service in interview, the Ukrainian military leader said the volumes of artillery “are not sufficient for us today, given our needs”, so ammunition was having to be redistributed.

He said: “We’re replanning tasks that we had set for ourselves and making them smaller because we need to provide for them… In some areas, we moved (to defence), and in some we continue our offensive actions – by manoeuvre, fire and by moving forward. And we are preparing our reserves for our further large-scale actions.” Further, the general said after nearly two years of attrition warfare, his men are “not so fresh, not so rested”.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/12/20/ukraine-scales-back-military-operations-blames-lack-of-foreign-aid/

socal2 says

Ukraine, despite what you think - is now one of the most experienced and most heavily armed militaries in Europe

#UkraineIsFucked

LOL! Experienced, yes, if they are alive. Heavily armed? Maybe, if they buy their own supplies from the black market.

It is interesting that the agitprop repeating stations don't seem to mind becoming a laughing stock. What does that mean, exactly?

SORCHA 12/19: "Biden Crime Family Murders 383,000 Ukrainians For Imaginary “Good-Paying American Jobs”"

https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=233818

I guess the agitprop repeating stations are on the theme that instead of money being laundered back through Ukraine to the criminal political families and politicians, the money is financing jobs and American industry. I guess the agitprop repeating stations have a boundless appetite for the utter contempt heaped on them.

Hammering out terms of the Ukrainian partition? Will Odessa wind up like Berlin after WWII, a split concession? Are the neocon foreign agents being told to stand down by the Rothschild Messiahs, intent on saving their own skins? Stay tuned to Channel Argentina Escape Pod. Will the Kmaf Nazis wind up with their Frankenstein created German Nazis, shivering in the Andean Alps? How many account holders can be harvested from South America?
Good thing all those backup servers are on Rothschild Island in Antarctica.

https://t.me/WW3INFO/30527

Black Flag for Ukraine, but not the demons or perpetrators. Is Moloch glutted with death and rotting corpses yet?

What do they mean by black flag? No quarter?

It’s a pirate thing so how does this apply to the disputed area in Eastern Europe?

PeopleUnited says

It’s a pirate thing so how does this apply to the disputed area in Eastern Europe?

It means no holds barred, and let the Ukrainians continue to spill blood for the proxy war without reservation. Those responsible remain at arms length.

Black flag for thee, but not for me, kind of like the boosters with no skin in the game.

Yo @socal2

This a friend of yours?

PumpingRedheads says

Yo socal2

This a friend of yours?

Who would have thought back then that Russia would occupy less Ukrainian land today then they did nearly 2 years ago in March 2022?

Is that "winning" in Russia?

And I will keep asking the glib Putin fanboys at Patnet, how many Russians have died at this point? Is there ANY level of Russian casualties that will make the ROI on Putin's massive embarrassment of a war not worth the cost? Has it been worth gaining 2 new NATO members on Russia's border, losing Wagner and losing Russia's most prized Naval assets?

Is it worth having most of Western Europe to finally wake up and massively increase their military budgets?
https://www.sipri.org/media/press-release/2023/world-military-expenditure-reaches-new-record-high-european-spending-surges#:~:text=Cold%20war%20levels%20of%20military,cent%20higher%20than%20in%202013

Is it worth Ukraine joining the EU?
https://apnews.com/article/european-union-ukraine-membership-questions-45b7f723761f5e5fa7a49d7302033469