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UkraineIsFucked says

The_Deplorable says

RWSGFY says

"I believe we have a special thread dedicated to McGregor 🤡 being a false prophet and a stupid cunt."

That is not an argument. Have a nice day.

#UkraineIsFucked

So is Russia. There’s no winner in this. We can talk about casualties and military BS. What are the women doing? They’re leaving both countries. There’s going to be a lost generation in both countries. They’re fucked for the rest of our lifetimes. Russia/USSR never recovered from WWII. Oligarchs got their cash but the region has been a shit hole since I’ve been alive. And the trend continues…

WookieMan says

So is Russia. There’s no winner in this

Russia is not fucked from this war. It will win it.

Russia is fucked demographically. And that was the case war or no war.

Ukraine is totally fucked.

WookieMan says

"So is Russia. There’s no winner in this."

No. Russia defeated the US and NATO in Ukraine and Russia right now controls Eastern Ukraine and the Crimea. Most important,
military defeats, despite neoCon arrogance, have consequences. And one such consequence, in my thinking, is the collapse of NATO.
Besides, Ukraine lost over 500,000 soldiers and they are finished - their famous counteroffensive collapsed before it even started.

Look, it's essentially this:

Neocons, most of whom are descended from victims of pogroms under the RUSSIAN EMPIRE, sense an opportunity to kill Russia by any means to satisfy their blood libel/vendetta, yadda, yadda.

These fucks are trying to drag the New World into Old World arguments. FUCK!!!

Let the Old World immolate itself with Musselman rapefugees. We have a clean slate, but some globohomo fucks want to convince us otherwise (guess the ethnicity - still holding a grudge?)

The_Deplorable says

And one such consequence, in my thinking, is the collapse of NATO.

This would make you happy - no?

And what has Russia won at this stage? Russia lost major naval bases and assets in Crimea and Ukraine's grain shipments through the Black Sea are at record levels. Russia was already quasi-occupying much of the Donbass before the war and now have over 300,000 dead and wounded without much to show for it other than destroyed gas pipelines to Western Europe, couple brand new NATO members on their borders and the EU increasing their military budgets.

There is no quantifiable way to claim Russia is better off economically, militarily or strategically today than before they decided to invade Ukraine.

Hungary Drops Opposition on New EU Weapons Fund for Ukraine
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-25/hungary-reverses-opposition-on-new-eu-weapons-fund-for-ukraine

Turkey's Erdogan signs off on Sweden's NATO membership
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkeys-erdogan-signs-off-swedens-nato-membership-ratification-2024-01-25/

Mass demonstrations in Slovakia against the new Pro-Russian government. Demonstrations have been ongoing for over a week now and keep growing.
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1750653285369794838

OOOOOOHHHHHH! Russia's in trouble now.

socal2 says

Mass demonstrations in Slovakia against the new Pro-Russian government. Demonstrations have been ongoing for over a week now and keep growing.

CIA

Yeah but, I've read in here that Ukraine is winning and Russia is losing bigly ...

US to change strategy on Ukraine – WaPo

The Biden administration has reportedly shifted focus to defensive tactics and will no longer help Kiev recapture lost territory

The US is working on a new strategy for Ukraine that would mark a departure, away from the offensives of 2023 and now toward frontline defense, the Washington Post has reported. The supposed adjustments come in response to Kiev’s failed counteroffensive last year, the newspaper added.

In its article on Friday, the newspaper quoted a senior White House official explaining that “it will be difficult for [Ukrainian forces] to try to mount the same kind of major push on all fronts that they tried to do last year.” In light of this, the hope is now much less ambitious – to ensure that Kiev does not lose any more ground to Moscow, the unnamed staffer told reporters.

This, however, does not mean that Ukraine’s military will just sit in their trenches, with what is described as a “swapping of territory” still likely in small cities and villages, the source told the WaPo.

Late last month, Politico reported similarly, of a realization that a “total victory” for Ukraine was unlikely...

zzyzzx says

I figure it's either that or we are intentionally limiting weapons system to Ukraine due to supply constraints on the consumables (ammunition). It's not like Russia is doing any better in that department. They can't make stuff either and have to beg North Korea for stuff. At least north Koreans have food and oil now.

I don't know why you think they are "begging".

Russia runs a war as cost effectively as possible. The US does the opposite. The reason the US spends more on their military than any other CONTINENT does, is not because the US has the best military, it's because the US military will happily purchase a nail for $10. Why shouldn't they? They don't pay for it, YOU DO.

RayAmerica says

The US is working on a new strategy for Ukraine that would mark a departure, away from the offensives of 2023 and now toward frontline defense

What happened to Russia getting it's ass kicked in the 'summer offensive'? Crimea was supposed to be taken back by now!

You can't take back territory by being defensive.

https://www.ft.com/content/21a5be9c-afaa-495f-b7af-cf937093144d

IMF raises Russia growth outlook as war boosts economy

Patrick says

What a retard. Ukraine is huge compared to Syria.

Ukraine is about 86 percent the size of Texas. I guess more like 70 percent now.

"The birth rate in Ukraine is falling sharply. The next generation needs a plan”:

Ukraine is in a state where there are 0.7 children per woman of reproductive age, and the life expectancy of men is lower only in four countries in Africa.

“On average, one Ukrainian woman of reproductive age (from 15 to 50 years) has 0.7 children. At the same time, the life expectancy level in Ukraine among men is 57–58 years old - this is one of the lowest indicators in the world - only four African countries are lower: Lesotho (55), Central African Republic (55), Chad (54) and Nigeria ( 54).

🔸The demographic picture in Ukraine is grim, and a shortage of children, compounded by widespread violent deaths and the exodus of millions of refugees, has called the country's very survival into question.

🔸The country's population has recently decreased from 36 to 25 million people.

More demographically fucked than even China is.

What an accomplishment.

Of course, the birth rates are plunging. Every Ukranian woman of child birthing age left the country.

https://t.me/FirstAmendmentPraetorian/53159

Misc says

Of course, the birth rates are plunging. Every Ukranian woman of child birthing age left the country.

More so that so many Ukey males of reproductive age got slaughtered or crippled.

They are putting preggo females on the front, too.

Ukraine Is Fucked.

UkraineIsFucked says

Misc says

Of course, the birth rates are plunging. Every Ukranian woman of child birthing age left the country.

More so that so many Ukey males of reproductive age got slaughtered or crippled.

They are putting preggo females on the front, too.

Ukraine Is Fucked.

This is true, but the same is happening to Russians. It really makes no sense for either side. As I've said this could have been handled so much differently. Russia could have just bought the land. All this does is make Russia look like a paper tiger. A supposed military super power cannot even control a space the size of New Jersey?

Chicago had more murders over the same time period we occupied Iraq and Afghanistan combined for US losses. Russia has lost substantially more in such a short time. Ukraine is toast for sure, but I think this drags on for a decade. Maybe longer to be honest. At least as long as Putin is alive.

The Russian Navy just lost another ship.

https://twitter.com/U24_gov_ua/status/1753017546163290240

socal2 says

The Russian Navy just lost another ship.

https://twitter.com/U24_gov_ua/status/1753017546163290240

Noooooooo!

UkraineIsFucked says

More demographically fucked than even China is.

What an accomplishment.

Yeah - just imagine China's demographics if it had a much bigger and stronger next door neighbor who invaded China with hundreds of thousands of soldiers, prisoners, mercenaries and drunk meat-sacks?

socal2 says

The Russian Navy just lost another ship.

https://twitter.com/U24_gov_ua/status/1753017546163290240

Sure it did.

Oh...quick quiz to separate the idiots from those who aren't:

Ukraine War is a) a sea-based war like WW2 in the Pacific. Or b) a land-based war like EVERY war that has ever been fought in Ukraine. Or c) a Tesla battery war...see who has the least amount of Teslas spontaneously catch on fire as if by magic!

socal2 says

Yeah - just imagine China's demographics if it had a much bigger and stronger next door neighbor who invaded China with hundreds of thousands of soldiers, prisoners, mercenaries and drunk meat-sacks?

So what?

NOW all if a sudden attrition doesn't matter to you.

UkraineIsFucked says

Ukraine War is a) a sea-based war like WW2 in the Pacific. Or b) a land-based war like EVERY war that has ever been fought in Ukraine.

Since Russia said it planned on starving Ukraine and their economy to death with a naval blockade of Ukraine's grain exports - its a pretty big failure for Russia.

But you can keep pretending that Russia is "winning" anything in their total cockup of a war.

socal2 says

Since Russia said it planned on starving Ukraine and their economy to death with a naval blockade of Ukraine's grain exports - its a pretty big failure for Russia.

Hahaha.

No. Just some imagined one for Ukey Nazi Fluffers who cannot wrap there head around the fact that Ukraine has lost this war.

Oh, and the Russians are still blocking those exports from the Ukey ports.

socal2 says

But you can keep pretending that Russia is "winning" anything in their total cockup of a war.

No pretending. Ukraine Is Fucked.

UkraineIsFucked says

No pretending. Ukraine Is Fucked.

Dude, I don't get where you're going. I still don't think Socal has even said Ukraine will win this shit bomb. The point is that Russia looks like shit on so many levels. That's not deniable. Ukraine is not a NATO nation. So no, it's not a defeat against the west or NATO. All it did was make Russia's situation globally completely fucked. If that's winning, don't sign me up for that shit. Demographics are trash for both nations. Who is actually winning at this point? The chicks have all left to fuck men in Europe, US and South America. Winning.... lol.

WookieMan says

Dude, I don't get where you're going. I still don't think Socal has even said Ukraine will win this shit bomb.

This is what it is like discussing Ukraine with some people.

WookieMan says

Dude, I don't get where you're going.

That's because you keep promoting the wussy-pussy nonsense "ohhh..nobody is going to win this war because both sides suffer!"

Wrong. There is always a winner or loser. Especially in this case.

WookieMan says

still don't think Socal has even said Ukraine will win this shit bomb.

He just did in his previous post. Every time he posts bullshit and ridiculously conflates it to 'Russia is losing' he is also saying Ukraine is winning.

WookieMan says

The point is that Russia looks like shit on so many levels.

So what? So is Yemen.

It's not losing this war.

WookieMan says

is not a NATO nation

Oh yes it is. It can't pay its own pensions and government salaries. That all comes from us, for the most part. That makes it a NATO satrapy.

WookieMan says

it did was make Russia's situation globally completely fucked

Now you are posting bullshit just like socal does.

Russia's economy is booming. And about to do so even more if Biden is real about limiting LNG exports. They are winning DESPITE whatever problems they have.

Does anyone know what Burisma payed Hunter for?

I think the answer to that question will give insight into why we are fighting a proxy war in Ukraine.

socal2 says

WookieMan says

Dude, I don't get where you're going. I still don't think Socal has even said Ukraine will win this shit bomb.

This is what it is like discussing Ukraine with some people.

See Wookie?

He is essentially denying Ukraine Is Fucked.

Whatever he said previously otherwise was a flat out lie.

UkraineIsFucked says

He is essentially denying Ukraine Is Fucked

Uh no - just denying that Russia is winning anything despite their tremendous expenditure of blood and treasure.

You are essentially making the argument that a rapist who got their eyes gouged out by their victim and thrown into prison has "won" because they still managed to successfully rape their victim.

https://jameshowardkunstler.substack.com/p/war-delirium

You didn’t ask, but things are not going so well in our remote-control war in Ukraine against Russia (Putinland). Our Zelensky team (we own it) got completely rope-a-doped, punched itself out, its knees are buckling. Victoria Nuland, the renowned State Department girlie war-hawk, says she’s confident that Congress will pass the new $61 billion aid package for the Z-team, according to Radio Free Europe, the blob’s official propaganda outlet. The blob wants you to think that Putin wants to turn all of Europe into Putinland. I’m sure. Tori Nuland probably thinks we can save Ukraine with the fabulous girlie army and some snazzy new drones from McDonnell Douglas. Hey, it’s war, war, war. Bomb them all — Iran, Russia, Texas — and let God sort them out.

socal2 says

Uh no - just denying that Russia is winning anything despite their tremendous expenditure of blood and treasure

You are denying the irrational.

socal2 says

You are essentially making the argument that a rapist who got their eyes gouged out by their victim and thrown into prison has "won" because they still managed to successfully rape their victim.

Russia is not getting the equivalent of eyes being gouged out. Except in Ukey Fluffer Imaginary Land.

You are projecting what is happening to Ukraine to avoid cognitive dissonance built up.by all your bullshit. Just like you do about EVs.

Ukraine is the nation-state equivalent of a brain dead patient on life support. A vegetable amongst nations. A satrapy of the US.

South Vietnam was more nationally self-functional when we left there.

Russia has almost 1 million mobilized now, a war economy that outproduces the West and embarrassed the West by making a mockery of their retarded sanctions.

But again, you can't deal with the cognitive dissonance...so.

Trump all in on supporting Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1753100711544455480

UkraineIsFucked says

Russia has almost 1 million mobilized now, a war economy that outproduces the West and embarrassed the West by making a mockery of their retarded sanctions.

And they're losing humans and equipment. Ukraine was never going to win this thing and will be fucked for likely 40-50 years. I like Trump, but this isn't ending anytime soon even under his watch if he wins. If Russia was a super power this would have been over already and they got a tiny swath of land. It's embarrassing for anyone involved. More so for Russia from a global viewpoint.

I don't like any of this shit. I just filed taxes and paid $40k to the federal government when half the country pays zero. I have no interest in this war. With or without Western and European help, I still think the Ukrainians would make Russia look like shit. Aren't we past two years at this point?? That's not a super power by any means. Russia will win, but is getting it's ass handed to itself in the meantime. This should already be over.

socal2 says

Trump all in on supporting Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1753100711544455480

Grow a brain. He's all for setting Europe up to fail NATO again.

UkraineIsFucked says

Grow a brain. He's all for setting Europe up to fail NATO again.

He definitely wants out of NATO. He wants the war done, but I don't think it's something he can achieve. Russia is going to occupy Ukraine for a decade. There won't be a permanent resolution to the conflict. Both nations are butt fucking themselves. The human loss isn't trivial on either side. They've fucked themselves for decades.

This isn't about winning or losing. It's about who is the bigger dumb ass. Russia has that trophy already at this point.