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WookieMan says

This is the future. Proxy wars and we don't send troops in. We might have a carrier group nearby just in case. Lob tomahawks or airstrikes with little to no chance of casualties. Is it right? I don't know. But better than losing Americans.

How about not bombing anybody at all? It's not like any of the wars in our lifetimes have benefitted this nation.

Nobody has ever threatened this nation, except domestic enemies.

Adveevka has fallen.

How many Ukey lives were squandered on this defeat?

And for what? Ukey women who fled to Eastern Europe are now popping out Hungarian, Slovak, Czech & Slovak babies. Ukeys are going extinct even before the Chinese and Russians will.

Ukraine Is Fucked

UkraineIsFucked says

And for what? Ukey women who fled to Eastern Europe are now popping out Hungarian, Slovak, Czech & Slovak babies. Ukeys are going extinct even before the Chinese and Russians will.

This is true, but if they're getting money and putting up a fight, they'll keep going. This could go on till 2030. Ukraine was fucked before the war started. Russia came in like weak sauce. This has been a shit show and will continue into the foreseeable future. Again, I have no pony in the race. This is Eastern European bull shit. We're just wasting money on it.

WookieMan says

This is true, but if they're getting money and putting up a fight, they'll keep going.

No they won't. What point is there entering a fight that you're certain to lose you fucking psychopath? You jerk off to the though that 100's of thousands of people are dying for no reason at all?

Well the MIC is making money by having the Fed print up money and distributing it, costing everybody in America money except the people participating in this scam. Is that why you support it?

Polish farmers just spilled grain from a whole train of Ukraine origin cars and are blocking highways.

"Polish farmers are now singing the Polish national anthem as they dump Ukrainian grain onto the street"
https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1760055676313772502?s=20

Pro HRE2 aka EU Shitbag confirms:
https://x.com/jurgen_nauditt/status/1758792421050118374?s=20

Polish Farmers claim Ukrainian Grain is Monsanto GMO shit, anyway.
https://x.com/WojPawelczyk/status/1760010878232166601?s=20

Hope the Polish Farmers don't get arrested; "Democracy is on the ballot" Technocrat Donald Tusk just shut down all the community-access radio and TV in Poland as one of his first acts, against "Misinformation".

richwicks says

WookieMan says

This is true, but if they're getting money and putting up a fight, they'll keep going.

No they won't. What point is there entering a fight that you're certain to lose you fucking psychopath? You jerk off to the though that 100's of thousands of people are dying for no reason at all?

Yes they will Rich. You clearly don't understand stubborn Eastern Europeans at all. At what point am "I" promoting it? Never has happened. Otherwise quote it. Both countries are losers and this will grind out for a decade at least.

This part of the world is shit. I don't care how pretty they made it look for Tucker. No different then Xi coming to your shit hole of a state and magically getting rid of the homeless. This is all optics by all sides. At the end of the day who gives a fuck? Half of Africa kills each other and no one gives a shit.

I focus on what I can control locally. They're across and Ocean with no capable Navy. Fuck 'em. I don't care if they die. Sure there's deaths. Guess what? Half the country doesn't even pay for it. That's my concern. We have half a country of fucking free loaders and a massive border issues with shit heads coming into the country. If money goes to Ukraine, whatever. How about half this country wakes the fuck up and starts paying. The border wall would be a non-issue in months. But hey, we let the free loaders just go about their way.

Regardless of US or Western involvement, this part of Ukraine is and will always be in contention. It has nothing to do with the US long term. You have a nation with only one warm water port 365 days a year. They're going to keep fighting and shrink their border with Europe.

WookieMan says

Yes they will Rich. You clearly don't understand stubborn Eastern Europeans at all.

it doesn't matter how "stubborn" they are.

Wherever the US Neocons drag the US, they leave a wasteland behind. Ukraine is dragging women into the infantry, even men with Down's Syndrome:


original link

That's how desperate they are. That man is probably dead by now.

I can show you the video of the 18-20 year old girl that starts out all happy because "she's fighting the good fight" at the start, only to see her later with a bloody face saying she's "so scared" - and how did that video get published? Likely because she's dead and the video was collected off her body, and posted to the Internet for propaganda purposes. Would you like to see that?

WookieMan says

Both countries are losers and this will grind out for a decade at least.

War is a zerosum game at best. Ukraine will certainly lose, it remains to be seen if Russia does or doesn't. The US will lose, because their proxy is doomed. Ukrainians will lose.

WookieMan says

They're across and Ocean with no capable Navy.

The navy of all nations is obsolete. In a real war between real powers, the only part of the Navy that will exist after two weeks will be submarines. It is TRIVIAL to sink a warship, or a battleship or an aircraft carrier. Easy. They are only useful to put personnel on when a far greater power is attacking a far weaker power. If the US got into a real war even with IRAN, no US ships would be afloat in the Arabian sea.

WookieMan says

We have half a country of fucking free loaders and a massive border issues with shit heads coming into the country. If money goes to Ukraine, whatever.

The freeloaders are the people creating war. They create distractions so they can be left unfettered as they sociopathically just kill people while you worry about "what you can do locally", while they invest in sure things like the corporations that profit from the wars they create. They'll just keep throwing more shit at you, which is why they throw shit at you. Any shit you clean up, they'll create more of it. That's why they create all this shit.

They're purposely throwing crap at you to keep you distracted. If you remove them, they can't throw more shit at you, but you will NEVER realize this.

WookieMan says

They're going to keep fighting and shrink their border with Europe.

Russia will emerge from this largely unscathed, with Europe dependent on US energy supply from both the Middle East and the United States, and a new cold war will be in full effect. US taxpayers will be forced to subsidize Europe.

You might, at THAT TIME, become dimly aware at that point how you're being played and if you talk about it, you'll be ignored by other people worried about "local issues" and THEY will be stupidly either entirely ignore what the sociopaths in power are doing or be actively supporting it.

I can't understand how at this point people can't understand it. How can you be so blind?

Take San Francisco again. How easy was that to clean up? Why didn't they do it before? Well, it was kept in the new cycle, people bitched and moaned about it, and they "worried about local issues", an issue that was easy to solve, but remained unsolved. Why do you think they allowed the problem to linger? How can you not realize?

I think the gulf is that people don't understand just what kind of evil people do exist. You think Victoria Nuland loses any sleep about 100 thousand or more Ukrainians dead, in a war she helped construct? I bet not. I bet she pats herself on the back with her wonderful ingenuity in constructing this humanitarian disaster and commands the respect of all around her about what a genius she is to have created such destruction. These people are subsubhuman. They are cannibals on societies.

What irks me, is only a TINY percentage of people recognize what monsters walk among us. "Oh, she just make a mistake", yeah like George W. Bush and his administration made a mistake over weapons of mass destruction, or Clinton and Obama made a mistake about the "humanitarian crisis" Qaddafi was about to cause, and so on. None of these are mistakes, if they were errors, people would be demoted and fired, instead they are promoted and given presidential medals of freedom. We have rapacious, murderous, sociopaths in power, who will kill you and me, as easily as they will kill anybody, but you go ahead and worry about what you can do locally, even though they purposely create the problems you try to solve, that are easily solved.

Reassessing American Aid After Avdiivka

As the second anniversary of Russia's full-scale invasion of the country to its west nears and the latest aid package for Ukraine stalls in Congress, we must be clear-eyed about the future: there is no path for Ukraine to win this war. American support will not change this reality.

No Path to Victory: Russia has the Momentum

The reality two years in is that there is no path to victory for Ukraine – not in the sense of pushing Russian troops back to the pre-February 2022 lines of control. After the Ukrainian troops abandoned Avdiivka – the most significant loss or gain by either side in nine months – following some of the war's heaviest fighting, almost all advantages accrue to Russia. The seizure of Avdiivka does not materially change the war, but it does change the momentum. Moscow can throw mass in terms of bodies, tanks, artillery, and drones at the exhausted Ukrainian forces until they crack. Ukraine is exhausted and outnumbered and struggling to recruit new troops. The best Ukraine can do now is fight Russia to a negotiated settlement that allows sovereignty, territorial integrity, and security from another Russian invasion. Even these provisions now seem unrealistic.

After initial setbacks at the onset of the invasion, the Russian military now displays the resolute determination initially witnessed by the other side. Russian generals have adapted to Ukraine's offenses after initial setbacks. Russian commanders are now building the kinds of defenses in depth that Ukrainian forces struggle to fight through. Russian ground forces now routinely defeat Ukraine's drones. Russia's formidable arsenals of attack helicopters, drones, and mines pound Ukraine while the Ukrainian troops resort to rationing artillery shells and long-range rockets.

In considering an aid package to Ukraine, DC policymakers and their constituents must assess how long the cash and weapons will continue to flow and toward what end. Getting to a favorable – or at least even – negotiated settlement will take more than a year of fighting. Putin has no incentive to stop fighting and every incentive to continue pushing and waiting for his adversaries to the west run out of troops and munitions, and policy makers in the U.S. run out of patience.

None of this is fair to the people of Ukraine, who have placed their hopes of sovereignty on American commitment. It is, however, the tragic reality of the situation. The $60 billion aid package held up in Congress will not significantly change the future. This fight is a long haul that will require additional aid. The spigot will close at some point – perhaps soon – turning off aid and sealing Ukraine's fate.

https://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2024/02/21/ukraine_can_no_longer_win_1013260.html

Translation: Ukraine Is Fucked

Andrey Morozov, a prominent pro-war Russian blogger, has reportedly died by suicide following outrage over a post in which he claimed that the Russian army lost 16,000 soldiers during the capture of the eastern Ukrainian city of Avdiivka.
Morozov, who went by the pseudonym Murz on Telegram, was an ultra-nationalist commentator who fought alongside Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine in 2014 and participated in Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022.
On Sunday, Morozov wrote to his 120,000 followers on Telegram that Russia lost 16,000 personnel and 300 pieces of armour during its months-long capture of Avdiivka. The post drew heavy criticism from senior Russian propagandists, who accused the blogger of “slandering the Russian defence ministry”.
In Morozov’s final messages on Tuesday morning, he announced his suicide and said he was pressured by his superiors to delete the post detailing the number of casualties in Avdiivka. Several people close to Morozov on Tuesday confirmed his death, with some saying that he had shot himself.
Triggered in part by the rebellion by then-Wagner head Yevgeny Prigozhin, the Kremlin last year largely cracked down on voices such as Morozov, who once was part of a loud group of ultra-nationalist hawks who criticised Moscow over shortages of weapons and accused the Russian military leadership of hiding the true death toll among its forces.
Russia hides its war losses and the true casualty toll from its invasion of Ukraine remains a secret, though western officials believe the war has cost the country more than 315,000 dead and injured troops.

4 months, 16K dead and 300 tanks lost is a cost of capturing a small town with pre-war population of 32K. Second army in the world, ladies and gentlemen, applause! And the previos victory of this "magnitude" was another town
of similar size - Bahmut - almost a year ago (May '23). At this kind of tempo the dream of capturing the whole "annexed" Dumb Ass could take decades...

Is Russia starting its 'cake walk' faze after immolating the equipment and personnel of the Azovs? The Ukies are abandoning the wounded, won't even make an effort to pick them up any more. That's gotta be good for morale.

RWSGFY says

4 months, 16K dead and 300 tanks lost is a cost of capturing a small town with pre-war population of 32K

Where are you getting this information from? The same people that told you there was a weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq, that they were mobile weapons laps, that Hussein mailed out anthrax letters, that Hussein worked with binLaden, and that we couldn't wait for the final proof to come in the form a mushroom cloud, perhaps?

What retard would believing them at this point? You?

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/vital-signs-wednesday-february-21

New information emerging from relatives of dead and injured Ukrainian soldiers, plus reports from Russia’s ministry of defense, painted an even worse picture of the fall of Avdiivka than originally thought. For one thing, it looks like Ukraine waited to order its dying soldiers to withdraw until after most units lost cohesion and began to flee anyway. The withdrawal order was just political cover.

And when the withdrawal order did come through, the remaining soldiers were ordered to abandon their injured fellows, creating a chance for the media to attempt to frame a narrative around Russian maltreatment of captured Ukrainians rather than the catastrophic failure of Ukrainian command.

Zelensky, for his part, blamed the loss of the key fortress city on Republicans, for delaying his sweet, sweet American payola. In more bad news for Ukraine, its champion of democracy also issued a new declaration of martial law, which canceled next month’s presidential elections, and keeps the former comedian in undemocratic power through executive fiat until he says different.

Apparently, just now is an inconvenient time for Zelensky to run for re-election. But he’s not a dictator like Putin. No, never. Criticizing Zelensky is like criticizing Democracy™ itself.

richwicks says

Where are you getting this information from? The same people that told you there was a weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq, that they were mobile weapons laps, that Hussein mailed out anthrax letters, that Hussein worked with binLaden, and that we couldn't wait for the final proof to come in the form a mushroom cloud, perhaps?

Dude, you've beaten the horse dead on this topic. No one cares. Water under the bridge. You bring it up in every comment and you sound like an idiot. Honestly you sound like a baby crying. Get the fuck over it. You're doing nothing to fix it. No one wants to hear your bitching anymore. I know there's an ignore feature, but I think you need to fucking hear it. Get over Iraq. Sorry if you lost a loved one or something. But bitching here is accomplishing nothing.

richwicks says

Nobody has ever threatened this nation, except the federal government.

Fixed it.

Apparently the new mantra coming from Western media is that Ukrainians dying is a good thing. Fucking death cult sociopaths..

Ukraine will lose the Donbas and won't get Crimea back.

The Russian military is no threat to Europe and won't be for at least a decade or so, especially if the Europeans give just a small rat's ass about improving their militaries by a small degree. As evidenced by it's inability to sieze all of East Bank Ukraine in a few months and it's retreat back from the initial gains due to lack of follow on forces to hold it. The front line battalions are up to snuff but have no staying power and not enough support to stay fighting for long periods of time.

Unless somebody escalates this thing to prevent the inevitable annexation/frozen conflict, this book is closed.

AmericanKulak says

The Russian military is no threat to Europe and won't be for at least a decade or so, especially if the Europeans give just a small rat's ass about improving their militaries by a small degree

True. Because in 10 years Russia won't be able to field a large enough military because of demographic collapse.

WookieMan says

Dude, you've beaten the horse dead on this topic

@WookieMan apparently not fucking enough when morons keep using these fucking pathological sociopathic asshole liars as sources of definitive information.

Who gives a fuck what those assholes say? STUPID PEOPLE do.

WookieMan says

You bring it up in every comment and you sound like an idiot.

At least I'm not such a fucking drooling retard I'm getting my information from people that have lied consistent for 20 fucking years.

Who are these stupid people?

"Duh! I heard it on TV" "Duh! The government and the intelligence agencies said.."

You cattle can't learn. Fucking TWENTY YEARS, and I still have to here DUMMIES refer to them as if they have any credibility AT ALL.

They'll lie us into another fucking war, or pandemic, or bailout for criminals in the financial sectors, or whatever, and you will STILL BELIEVE THEM. It's never ending. Never ending. In ANOTHER year it will be some other outrageous lie promoted by CNN, MSNBC, Google, and Facebook. Anybody questioning it will be censored, and the stupid dumbshit public will dumbly ask "well, how were we to know the truth", 5 years later, when they will fall for ANOTHER obvious scam.

WookieMan says

Get over Iraq

And Afghanistan.

And Libya.

And Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Ukraine, what's next?

It will be something and you dirty stupid cows won't see MAYBE this is ANOTHER trick. Imagine that, they only CONSISTENTLY lie. What could POSSIBLY give you a fucking hint? 20 years and you can't learn, what's 20 more?

Our criminal sociopathic government will let the disaster of Flint Michigan, Palestine Ohio, Maui, whatever continue and you'll, like braying sheep, will demand we have to something about whatever bullshit they MAKE UP, 10,000 miles away.

I am done with propaganda at this point, and I'm fed up with the stupid shitheads repeating it and disseminating it. These people, are either subhuman, or they embrace dishonesty.

NuttBoxer says

richwicks says

Nobody has ever threatened this nation, except the federal government.

Fixed it.

Federal government, domestic enemies, I see them as one in the same. Federal government is a subset. Plenty of traitors that work with them, the people that run Google, and Facebook for example. No big deal, we'll destroy them.

richwicks says

Our criminal sociopathic government will

Let you spout off day, after day, after day about this shit. You do nothing but cry like a little baby here on Patnet. You don't do a thing. You ever meet with your House Rep? They're easily accessible. You are actually part of the problem. You don't do anything.

You don't even know the people I'll see in the next 2 weeks. Between local, state and federal I'll have conversations with a dozen elected officials. I speak my mind. I give no shits. Barking on Patnet living in a Democrat hell hole does zilch. Nothing. Maybe rethink your strategy. Stop thinking federally. That ain't gonna change shit. Work your way up.

Wake me up when you talk to your House Rep. Until then I'll be blunt and you should probably shut the fuck up.

https://swentr.site/russia/592904-medvedev-kiev-threat-russia/

Russia lost another of their precious A-50 radar planes as well as another SU-34 today. Believe that is 7 Russian air force losses in less than a week.

Is Ukraine softening the airspace before the F16's arrive in a few weeks? The F-16's will be able to push back Russian tanks and artillery far back from the current front lines.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/02/23/incredibly-the-russian-air-force-has-lost-another-one-of-its-rare-a-50-radar-planes/?sh=3ea451812ac4

https://swentr.site/news/592935-orban-ukraine-win-eu/

WookieMan says

Let you spout off day, after day, after day about this shit. You do nothing but cry like a little baby here on Patnet. You don't do a thing. You ever meet with your House Rep? They're easily accessible.

House representatives have no power. They are puppets. They don't even read the bills they sign or create. The Patriot Act was signed into law 2 hours after it was introduced. It's 600 pages long. Nobody read it, nobody could have read it. In the late 1990's it was common for people to take the posted bills, dissect them, and find out who actually wrote them, it was corporations. You'd know this if you weren't oblivious. They are careful to remove metadata today.

You're naive. Government is just a facade. You don't recognize that yet. You are intellectually incapable of recognizing the obvious unless you hear it from a television or some asshole politician.

To me, you're simply retarded in your (claimed) inability to comprehend what is blatantly obvious to me. We have powers controlling our government above, and they don't give a fuck who you elect, as long as they control them, and they controlled Bush 100%, Obama 100%, Trump 95% and that was not acceptable at all, and they control Biden 100%.

That's why it only mattered that our president was senile, or old, or mentally unfit, or accepting bribes, whatever, when Trump was president, and doesn't matter a bit now the Biden is president. You are programmed, and successfully so, to believe that it's a battle between "conservatives" and "liberals". That division doesn't exist, the division is between the people who take orders 100% and those that don't.

This is in front of your face. It's blatant, and you think talking to "a representative" is the way to fix it.

The way to fix it, is to end censorship, and make absolutely impossible. Now there are moral drawbacks to this. Having a completely secured network which has NO ability to be tapped into without permission, can create some horrible shit. You could have child pornography rings, drug rings, distributed mafias, you name it. It will be abused, but since Facebook, Google, and Twitter have protected people exploiting children (Backdoor was one on Google, Twitter wouldn't remove images of CHILDREN that were blackmailed into showing nude photographs and had for their Trust and Safety Commission being run by Yoel Roth who got his "PhD" for writing a "research" paper on why children should have access to Grindr, etc) I don't think I have to worry about the shit that will come out of it. It's already here, and people will do nothing, they will continue to use their services and desperately few know that these corporations engage in this, or think it's a minor thing.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/21/twitter-sued-for-allegedly-refusing-to-remove-child-porn/

You don't know what is going on, how anything works, of if you do, you pretend not to. I'm fed up with this shit. We are opening Pandora's box. We have allowed communication to be centralized in the expectation that doing so would be used to protect the public. What's being made now, are entirely uncontrollable systems, that impervious to backdoors or hacking. They can be made public, a combination of public and private, or entirely private. The only way to get into it, is to get to a person within the network.

You really have no idea, or you're lying. Either way, I can't communicate any information to you. Doesn't matter what you say to your stupid fucking puppet rep, they don't write the laws they sign them, when they're told to. Grow up.

You probably think that Biden actually WAS elected. Well he wasn't, obviously. The man can't get 50 people to show up to an event, we got an extra 25 million new voters in 2020 than we did in 2016, this is the largest increase of voters as a percentage of US citizens, ever in a 4 year period. It's the largest percentage of the turnout ever in the country's history and Joe Biden got the largest percentage of the population to ever vote for him. Guess who is number 2? The president that got the 2nd most number of votes ever in history as a percentage of the population? It's Donald Trump, in 2020. He got 10 million more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016.

You're not voting your way out of this shit, and you're protesting your way out of this shit, and talking isn't going to help. You have to build tools. It's now over 20 years ago that we could have fixed this. When the Patriot Act went into effect, every electronic communication, ever text, and phone call, they were all legit to intercept and record. I am telling you, this is trivial to do now. In your entire life time, you won't speak or hear more words than you can store on a $10 SD Card.

WookieMan says

You don't even know the people I'll see in the next 2 weeks.

Puppets. Nobodies. They can give you graft and grant favors, and they can take bribes, and you can scratch their back and they can scratch yours. That's the limit of what they can do.

They are low level criminals and nothing more. They will do things like have the government purchase a corporate product, provided they get something out of it like stock options, insider trading information, some bogus property deal and the like, but they won't change policy because they don't control it.

It's easy to be a criminal, it's just I have no desire to be one. I won't work for or with this government, because what you call the government isn't a government, and what really is the government, is an outright criminal syndicate, and you still don't recognize that yet, or if you do, you don't care. Maybe you can make some money, taking tax money that was seized by US citizens and enriching yourself and the "politicians". That's the extent of what you can get accomplished working with any of these cutouts, and that's all they are.

richwicks says

House representatives have no power. They are puppets.

TL:DR. Your normal drivel. You don't do a thing but whine and whine. Enjoy your sour life. I actually do things and you're too lazy. Admit it for once.

WookieMan says

TL:DR. Your normal drivel.

Dude, in there I called you intentionally ignorant, and you are.

You will remain this way until your death having absolutely no clue even though it's been explained to you. You're the problem with this country. You can't even be bothered to understand the problem you PRETEND to fight. Maybe you even think you're fighting it and if you're even attempting to you, you're being led down a false rabbit hole. Most people are.

richwicks says

Maybe you even think you're fighting it and if you're even attempting to you, you're being led down a false rabbit hole. Most people are.

You're not elected. You don't talk to your House Rep monthly or State house or Congress person. You're willfully ignorant and just continue to bitch here and do nothing about it. What have you actually done? Programming and "allowing" people to speak on the internet does nothing. Do you even know how to get on the ballot for any position? No. Keep programming the trash that's making this situation worse and stop whining.

WookieMan says

You're not elected. You don't talk to your House Rep monthly or State house or Congress person. You're willfully ignorant and just continue to bitch here and do nothing about it.

Do you understand the true nature of evil?

Imagine getting 800,000 people killed over a lie you were told to repeat, and you did, shamelessly and repeatedly. Could you do that? Imagine if a town of thousands burned to the ground, displacing something like 10's of thousands of people, and you were instructed to give them a $700 check and that was it. Could you do that? Imagine if you started a conflict by murdering a leader, and bought back slavery to that country. Could you live with that?

The people you think are somebody to go to a solution for, have no problem with any of those, and they are merely puppets. Do you think Biden really cares about 2SLGBTQ+ rights? Do you think he cares if the vaccines are either safe or effective? Do you think Obama cared that Common Core math made a students, for 8 years, incapable of basic math? Do you think he cares slavery is in Libya because of what he did, or that there's starvation in Syria as a result? Do you think he's troubled that by allowing the overthrow of Ukraine, it's killed 100's of thousands of people?

Do you think they THEY decided to do ANY of this? That they took the initiative in doing any of these things?

Yet you want to appeal to them. You're delusional.

richwicks says

Yet you want to appeal to them. You're delusional.

We are the world's police. I don't think you have a remote understanding of the world before your time. You'd likely be dead. Whether it's ethical or not is up for debate. But you'd likely be dead. I like being alive. I'm the opposite of delusional. I'm aware.

Those that forget, or ignore, history are condemned to repeat it.

Friday Night Video Splurge — Ukraine On The Ropes

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/02/friday-night-video-splurge-ukraine-ropes/

Notice in the 3rd. video the woman psychopath, speaking for the Military Industrial Complex, is advocating expanding the war into Russian territory. Follow her advice and we're looking at WW III.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html

On Sunday The New York Times published an explosive and very belated full admission that US intelligence has not only been instrumental in Ukraine wartime decision-making, but has established and financed high tech command-and-control spy centers, and was doing so long prior to the Feb. 24 Russian invasion of two years ago.

Among the biggest revelations is that the program was established a decade ago and spans three different American presidents. The Times says the CIA program to modernize Ukraine's intelligence services has "transformed" the former Soviet state and its capabilities into "Washington’s most important intelligence partners against the Kremlin today."

This has included the agency having secretly trained and equipped Ukrainian intelligence officers spanning back to just after the 2014 Maidan coup events, as well constructing a network of 12 secret bases along the Russian border—work which began eight years ago. These intelligence bases, from which Russian commanders' communications can be swept up and Russian spy satellites monitored, are being used launch and track cross-border drone and missile attacks on Russian territory.

richwicks says

The people you think are somebody to go to a solution for, have no problem with any of those, and they are merely puppets.

Wake up. You're not getting any of my points and continuously go back to whining. I'll take smart peoples opinions and ideas over yours. https://youtube.com/shorts/qCppLqh3QO0?si=SZzmRfz7bIuywe8w

WookieMan says

We are the world's police.

No we aren't. Unless the police is an out of control violent criminal mafia. We're that.

Police are supposed to bring peace and deescalate situations. The US hasn't done that in my lifetime, and I'm 50.

The US announces it has a problem with country X, demands country X to do Y, regardless if X does Y, they go to war anyhow. The demanded that Qaddafi disarm, he did. They demanded Hussein get rid of his weapons of mass destruction, he did. When the US can't find anything that is suitable to start a war, they'll make a situation to cause one. They did that in Ukraine.

Remember women's right's in Afghanistan? That was bullshit. They don't care about Saudi Arabia. The US bombed Syria supposed to stop a civil war, do you think they did that?

Everything the US does, and has done for 20 years, is a lie. We have total psychopaths running the nation and dolts that still, at even this point, don't see them for what they are. People who can't see it by now, are blind. They'll never see it.

The US has sent something like 300,000 Ukrainians to their death in a war they couldn't possibly win in the SLIM HOPE it might weaken Russia although there's no strategic advantage to weakening Russia really. These people are complete sociopaths. These assholes are allowing the entire country rot so they can make a little sliver of money off from the MIC. If they can make 10 million dollars and it cost a 100 billion dollars in debt, and gets 100,000 people killed, they're all in. These are the people that run our federal government. You can't see that. They don't give a shit about Palestine Ohio, or Maui, or Flint Michigan, they don't care if people get murdered by illegal immigrants, they give money to illegal immigrants, and vets starve and die on the streets.

Sure, appeal to them. Good fucking luck. You're delusional.

WookieMan says

I don't think you have a remote understanding of the world before your time. You'd likely be dead.

Oh no. It was quite a bit easier. I knew people and talked at length with them who were alive when we still had a gold standard. Probably the easiest time for a white person like me to be alive would be 1950. Depression wasn't too hard PROVIDED you weren't in debt. Boomers, without question, had the easiest time. The so-called "greatest generation" had a very difficult time, Silent Generation grew up during WWII and those were tight times, but when they were young adults in 1950, they had the greatest opportunity ever.

richwicks says

The US has sent something like 300,000 Ukrainians to their death in a war they couldn't possibly win in the SLIM HOPE it might weaken Russia although there's no strategic advantage to weakening Russia really.

Who cares? Choices were made by a lot of parties involved. Wasn't just the US by any means yet you keep throwing it on the lap of the US.

Ukrainian men are fighting a war. They could flee if they didn't want to. It's not complicated. I could fly to Costa Rica today and flee the US. Everyone fighting this war could just stop. It's a choice. It's not leadership or money. If Canada attacked my state I'd kill them and would join in. Whether Canada got money from Russia or China to attack I give no shits. I'll kill them if there on my land.

A hostile neighbor is one thing. Once you attack regardless of past circumstances, you are the fucktard. And that's Russia in this case. Not even debatable. There was nothing to negotiate from the word go. Regardless of 2014 Ukraine was a sovereign nation with no intention of invading Russia. Dumped their nukes. Already had territory ripped out from underneath them with Crimea. I'm no fan of Ukies either, but Russia is the aggressor and ass hole in this. Not the US.

Are they trying to tell us something?

https://bioclandestine.substack.com/p/the-msm-admit-ukraine-is-a-cia-proxy

In case you didn’t hear, the MSM are now admitting that Ukraine is a CIA proxy.

Meaning Putin’s invasion of Ukraine was NOT unprovoked, and that the US are the expansionists, overthrowing sovereign nations for geopolitical gain.

The US brought war to Putin’s doorstep.

Meaning that every single thing Western media told you about the war in Ukraine, was based on a lie. All the analysis you heard from pompous MSM talking-heads, was based on the presumption that Putin did this unprovoked, just because he is “literally Hitler”. None of it was true.

Turns out, Putin’s accusations of Western intelligence controlling Ukraine were correct, therefore his attack is more than justified. Just imagine if Russia funded Nazi militias in Canada, started a civil war, overthrew the government, then installed their own puppet regime, then put Russian intelligence bases and biolabs all over our northern border. Every American would be calling to flatten Canada and Russia. Well that’s exactly what the US did to Russia, and they are pissed.

Russia tried to join NATO, they were denied. Russia tried to negotiate non-violent means to resolve the conflict, they were denied. Russia tried to present their grievances of US bioweapon production and espionage to the UN, they were denied. Russia tried to go the diplomatic route, and the West just cried “Russian disinformation”, while they were the ones pushing disinformation.

The West also went out of their way to censor independent journalists like me who have been telling you this from day one, because if the public knew this detail the entire time, they wouldn’t have supported sending our tax dollars there.

This is going to be a tough pill to swallow for many Americans, but Russia are not the bad guys in this scenario. The West are, and it’s not even close.

The sooner we all recognize this, the sooner we can clean up the mess.

I have to say I haven't seen those MSM articles he mentions, but then, I never look at the MSM at all.