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All this talk about great Red Army victories and noise about hamlets "taken" and frontline "collapsing" but when you look at the map you need a fucking microscope to see the progress between the fall of 2022 and now.



Yawn.

RayAmerica says

Ukraine's desperation for manpower has reached the tipping point, while Ukraine desertions continues to escalate, amounting to over 16,000 PER MONTH.

Yet the thoroughly corrupt Zelensky continues the 'fight' and acts as if he has the upper hand. He never did. The war for Ukraine was over from day one because Ukraine never had a chance to defeat Russia and anyone that thought they did should have their head examined.

RWSGFY says

All this talk about great Red Army victories and noise about hamlets "taken" and frontline "collapsing" but when you look at the map you need a fucking microscope to see the progress between the fall of 2022 and now.



Yawn.

Another dissatisfied Ukey Nazi Fluffer, I see.

Don't worry! I believe that Putin is dropping the demand for total de-nazification in his talks today in Alaska. Your precious Azov battalion is safe.





...what's left of them, that is.

RWSGFY says

All this talk about great Red Army victories and noise about hamlets "taken" and frontline "collapsing" but when you look at the map you need a fucking microscope to see the progress between the fall of 2022 and now.

Let's assume that a final peace deal allows Russia to keep Crimea and all the land they have grabbed in Eastern Ukraine.

Can anyone really claim that this war was a net positive for Russia? Even the most modest/conservative death counts show Russia lost 5X the number of men in a couple years than the US lost in Vietnam over 10 years and Russia's population today is much smaller than the US' back in the 1970's. These deaths of all these young men will have a long lasting impact on Russia's already doomed demographics.

Imagine the US losing that many people invading Mexico and getting no farther than Ensenada in the West and Monterrey in the East after 3 years of brutal fighting. Our military would be rightfully seen as incompetent laughing stocks failing to subdue our much weaker next door neighbor.

In addition, Russia now has 2 new NATO members next door and Europe is finally getting serious about their military defense spending thanks to Trump.

Russia has lost most of its high paying energy customers in Europe and the fantasy of BRICS is long gone with Trump's trade moves against China and defanging Russia's drone supplier in Iran.

But yeah - this war in Ukraine has been absolutely great for Russia!

socal2 says

Let's assume that a final peace deal allows Russia to keep Crimea and all the land they have grabbed in Eastern Ukraine.

socal2 says

Can anyone really claim that this war was a net positive for Russia? Even the most modest/conservative death counts show Russia lost 5X the number of men in a couple years than the US lost in Vietnam over 10 years and Russia's population today is much smaller than the US' back in the 1970's. These deaths of all these young men will have a long lasting impact on Russia's already doomed demographics.

War isn't over. Stop gaslighting otherwise.

Do you even know what a 'cease fire' means?



socal2 says

Imagine the US losing that many people invading Mexico and getting no farther than Ensenada in the West and Monterrey in the East after 3 years of brutal fighting. Our military would be rightfully seen as incompetent laughing stocks failing to subdue our much weaker next door neighbor.

Imagine having to imagine up magical bullshit because you have been proven to be sooo wrong.



socal2 says

In addition, Russia now has 2 new NATO members next door and Europe is finally getting serious about their military defense spending thanks to Trump

Spending on windmills and a bridge to Sicily and claiming it to be defense spending is 'serious about defense'?

Again, for the umpteenth time: What Bullshit Fantasy World do you live in?


socal2 says

Russia has lost most of its high paying energy customers in Europe

Wrong. European hypocrites have been buying plenty of Russian has...mostly 'laundered' thru Turkey.



socal2 says

But yeah - this war in Ukraine has been absolutely great for Russia!

Not so great for Ukey Azov Nazis:

socal2 says

You don't even realize how that meme backfires on you?

The palsey kid even knows Ukey Nazi Land is fucked. And you are the mom who doesn't want to hear about it

Gen. Michael Flynn: 'Ukraine Is a Hub for Child Trafficking, Money Laundering and Biological Labs!'

(no wonder Michael Flynn is so hated and why they worked so hard to silence him)

https://rumble.com/v6xrtqc-gen.-michael-flynn-ukraine-is-a-hub-for-child-trafficking-money-laundering-.html

Steve Bannon on Republicans Lining Up to Bailout Ukraine With Another $54 BILLION: 'Absolutely Sick'

https://rumble.com/v6xrzxm-steve-bannon-on-republicans-lining-up-to-bailout-ukraine-with-another-54-bi.html

Ceffer says

https://www.pronews.gr/amyna-asfaleia/diethnis-asfaleia/leykos-oikos-o-xartis-pou-edeikse-o-nt-tramp-ston-v-zelenski-me-tis-tesseris-perifereies-tis-anat-oukranias/

https://www.pronews.gr/amyna-asfaleia/diethnis-asfaleia/leykos-oikos-o-xartis-pou-edeikse-o-nt-tramp-ston-v-zelenski-me-tis-tesseris-perifereies-tis-anat-oukranias/

Hey @socal2 look at those maps. Gee, who posted very similar maps recently?

https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1957697386320433390

https://x.com/M_Simonyan/status/1957541546963746922

The_Deplorable says

Bologna. Finland did not provoke anyone; Finland was invaded for not giving into Soviet demands to cede territory. I suppose the author thinks Poland provoked a Soviet invasion as well.

"From 1939 to... 1944, Finland fought the Soviet Union on the side of the axis powers: Germany, Italy and Japan.

HeadSet says

"Bologna. Finland did not provoke anyone; Finland was invaded for not giving into Soviet demands to cede territory. I suppose the author thinks Poland provoked a Soviet invasion as well."

You are ignoring the facts.

The_Deplorable says

"From 1939 to... 1944, Finland fought the Soviet Union on the side of the axis powers: Germany, Italy and Japan.

HeadSet says

"Bologna. Finland did not provoke anyone; Finland was invaded for not giving into Soviet demands to cede territory. I suppose the author thinks Poland provoked a Soviet invasion as well."

You are ignoring the facts.

No, I am not. The Soviets invaded Finland in 1939. There were no axis allies involved. Hitler did not invade the Soviet Union until much later. Read up on the "Winter War." In fact, it was the Red Army's poor performance against the Finns that made Hitler think that invading the Soviet Union would be a cake walk.

HeadSet says

"No, I am not. The Soviets invaded Finland in 1939. There were no axis allies involved. Hitler did not invade the Soviet Union until much later."

True. But when WWII started two years later Finland became one of the Axis powers.

Ukraine has lost over 1.7 million troops – leaked docs

The casualties are allegedly detailed in a digital card index of the country’s armed forces obtained by Russian hackers

https://www.rt.com/russia/623322-ukraine-losing-million-troops/

But don't you worry about Ukraine. Those American Abrams Tanks and F-16s are going to be the game changers, just as promised. LOL !

RayAmerica says

Ukraine has lost over 1.7 million troops – leaked docs

The casualties are allegedly detailed in a digital card index of the country’s armed forces obtained by Russian hackers

https://www.rt.com/russia/623322-ukraine-losing-million-troops/

They are counting MIA in those figures too, not just KIA and WIA. Ukeys are disserting in droves each day. This is why the Ukey propagandists emphasize reports of drone/missile strikes on Russia, not Nazi Azov Army of Ukraine actions.

But then again...

The_Deplorable says

HeadSet says

"No, I am not. The Soviets invaded Finland in 1939. There were no axis allies involved. Hitler did not invade the Soviet Union until much later."

True. But when WWII started two years later Finland became one of the Axis powers.

Please check your history. WWII officially started when Hitler invaded Poland in 1939. The invasion of the Soviet Union by Hitler happened in mid 1941. The Finns sided with Hitler at that time in order to take back the land that The Soviets took from Finland in the 1939 Winter War.

HeadSet says

Please check your history. WWII officially started when Hitler invaded Poland in 1939.

I'm not trying, nor do I want to, inject myself into your debate, but I would like to point out a couple of items that seems to be often missed when it comes to the start of WW II in Europe. First, both Great Britain and France gave 'war guarantees' to Poland should they be invaded, i.e., they would automatically declare war against the nation that invaded Poland. While Hitler was attempting to negotiate a return to Germany an area that was occupied predominantly by German people (ceded to Poland due to the Treaty of Versailles after WW I), after the 'war guarantees' by GB & France, Poland became bellicose and refused all attempts at negotiations. Hitler AND Stalin both agreed to invade Poland and divide it with the Soviets controlling the East and Germany the West. Keep in mind and this is huge; GB & France did not declare war on the other invader, i.e., Soviet Russia, but only Germany.

Ask just about anyone who invaded Poland to start WW II and you'll get "Germany" as your answer. Russia gets a free pass, and it was our ally Russia that actually was the big benefactor of WW II, evidenced by the amount of territory in Eastern Europe that fell under their control, which far exceeded anything that Hitler ever envisioned for Germany.

When it comes to war, history is written by the victors, and that's why you almost never read anything about Stalin's invasion of Poland in America. When it came to evil and mass murder, our ally Stalin made Hitler look like a Boy Scout.

The_Deplorable says

Trump is saving Americas face from strategic battlefield defeat, war is lost. He’s ending it like we doing a favor, in reality we lost war against Russia, war we started like sick fucks.

RayAmerica says

When it came to evil and mass murder, our ally Stalin made Hitler look like a Boy Scout.

100%

Fortwaye says

"Trump is saving Americas face from strategic battlefield defeat, war is lost. He’s ending it like we doing a favor, in reality we lost war against Russia, war we started like sick fucks."

The Globalist Nazis lost the war in Ukraine. Not the USA and not Trump.

RayAmerica says

I'm not trying, nor do I want to, inject myself into your debate

I agree with everything you posted here. I like asking this trivia question:

What country was run by a murderous dictator, had concentration camps, and invaded Poland in 1939? The USSR.

RayAmerica says

which far exceeded anything that Hitler ever envisioned for Germany.

No. He had almost all of E Europe AND W Europe AND most of W Sov Union at one point. North Africa too.



Sovs just got E Europe and some Japanese islands.

RayAmerica says

First, both Great Britain and France gave 'war guarantees' to Poland should they be invaded, i.e., they would automatically declare war against the nation that invaded Poland.

The Allies accepted the fact he wanted to bring all the Germans under one country and grudgingly agreed.

Hitler violated the Munich Agreement by seizing ALL Czechoslovakia, not ONLY the Sudentenland as agreed. Repeat: Munich ONLY allowed Hitler to take the majority German-speaking Sudentenland and not one inch more of the Slavic Majority rest of Czechoslovakia.

But when he moved to seize the rest of Czechoslovakia, beyond the Sudenten Mountains and of course the big Skoda Arms Works, while puppeting Slovakia and able to attack Poland from the South and well as West, Hitler's bullshitting was finally rejected.

And not only did Hitler seize all of Czechoslovakia beyond the Sudentenland, he also awarded parts of the former country to Hungary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Vienna_Award

There was also a short conflict between Slovaks and Hungary over territory in early 1939, before Hitler ordered the Slovaks to stand down and not resist Hungarian occupation.

Public opinion in Britain and France rapidly shifted when Hitler showed he was not merely a nationalist trying to unify all Germans under one banner.

It's not like Hitler didn't demand Liebensraum in the East in Mein Kampf and extol the overlordship of Slavs by German Masters long before.

RayAmerica says

While Hitler was attempting to negotiate a return to Germany an area that was occupied predominantly by German people (ceded to Poland due to the Treaty of Versailles after WW I),

Hitler denounced the extant non-aggression Pact he signed in 1934 and to last 10 years to 1944 which called for all Polish-German disputes to be handled short of war, in April 1939, just after he broke the Munich Agreement and had fully occupied and settled Czechia and Slovakia. He also would ONLY accept a plebisite where all former residents of the Corridor could vote regardless of where they currently lived or when they were born (ie Germany), but only Poles born in the Corridor during Polish Control, a trick he hoped France and Britain would agree too - hardly any Poles could vote at all because that area was only Polish after WW1, a guaranteed vote going Hitler's way.

Furthermore, by taking the Corridor, Poland would become landlocked, utterly dependent on Germany for Sea Access

RayAmerica says

Poland became bellicose and refused all attempts at negotiations.

Because Hitler would not ease tensions by renewing the Non-Aggression Pact AND his absolute demand the plebisite be held in the matter that all Germans who ever lived in the Corridor could vote, only some Poles who ever lived there could vote (ie a tiny handful born after 1918)

The SiPo and pro-Nazi militias of Danzig went into Polish areas list lists of 10k's of Polish officials, VIPs, etc. for execution. The murders began before the occupation was complete and worsened immediately. The primary targets for assassination and liquidation were mostly Catholic Poles, not Jews.

Such as in Palmiry Forest.
https://polishhistory.pl/palmiry-and-the-destruction-of-the-polish-elite/
The "Special Prosecution Book"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Prosecution_Book_%E2%80%93_Poland
And the Gestapo-NKVD conferences where they shared hitlists of Polish (and Baltic) Patriots and potential Leaders
https://lithuaniatribune.com/soviet-nazi-cooperation/

RayAmerica says

Hitler AND Stalin both agreed to invade Poland and divide it with the Soviets controlling the East and Germany the West. Keep in mind and this is huge; GB & France did not declare war on the other invader, i.e., Soviet Russia, but only Germany.

It's also huge that the guy who supposedly was just worried about Bolshevism, signed a Pact with Bolsheviks in advance to invade Poland.
The Radio Station False Flag was just that, and of course the week delay of the planned Fall Weiss meant that saboteurs under Radio Silence attempted to carry out their attacks and were arrested in the days before Hitler invaded.

He already signed a deal to not only invade Poland, but divide Eastern Europe into Spheres of influence with the Boslheviks... so he could attack the Republics of Western Europe first. That's massive.

With Germany on their plate who invaded first, and Stalin's excuse that he was only invading Eastern Poland to check Hitler's expansion (when it was secretly agreed in advance), the Allies did not add to their woes by stickling on Principle. The fullness of the Molotov-Ribbentropp Pacts was not known for many months.
RayAmerica says

Russia gets a free pass, and it was our ally Russia that actually was the big benefactor of WW II, evidenced by the amount of territory in Eastern Europe that fell under their control, which far exceeded anything that Hitler ever envisioned for Germany.

Because A) Hitler failed and B) Hitler was the first Western Country to fully embrace Stalin, before he betrayed the Pact. But forgetting that Hitler not only signed away Eastern Poland, but also Finland into the Soviet Sphere with the Pact.

Also a great time to mention that Churchill was like Ron Paul in the 1930s, a mostly powerless backbencher disliked by the majority of newspapers and considered a warmonger by the majority of the population The idea he pulled the UK in War is absurd. He didn't enter government until after the Nazis violated Munich and invaded Poland - September 3rd, 1939, when he was put in the Admiralty. Before that he had no Portfolio at all in the Government.

As long as Zelensky is in power, peace is impossible. There is no possible way that Russia is going to give up Crimea! Yet ...

ZELENSKY VOWS TO RETAKE CRIMEA DESPITE TRUMP's PEACE PUSH

The US president earlier called it “impossible” for the peninsula, which voted to join Russia in 2014, to return to Kiev’s control
Zelensky vows to retake Crimea despite Trump’s peace push

Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky has rejected US calls to withdraw its claim to Crimea or make any territorial concessions to Russia.

In a speech marking Ukraine’s Independence Day on Sunday, Zelensky vowed to retake the peninsula, which is predominantly populated by ethnic Russians and overwhelmingly voted to join Russia after the 2014 Western-backed coup in Kiev. He also pledged to reclaim the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, which, along with Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions, joined Russia in 2022 after referendums.

https://www.rt.com/russia/623468-zelensky-trump-crimea-retake/

PS: Also, Putin is never going to give up the territories that Russia has conquered. The little comedian Dictator Zelensky continues to act as if he is in the driver's seat, when in fact, at the very best, he's riding in the trunk with the lid clamped down.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

Also a great time to mention that Churchill was like Ron Paul in the 1930s, a mostly powerless backbencher disliked by the majority of newspapers and considered a warmonger by the majority of the population The idea he pulled the UK in War is absurd. He didn't enter government until after the Nazis violated Munich and invaded Poland - September 3rd, 1939, when he was put in the Admiralty.

I tortured myself by actually reading your weird comments based upon Wikipedia. I never even mentioned Churchill, but somehow, you found it necessary to correct me as if I did. Weird. Practically everyone that even has a minimal knowledge of that time period knows that Neville Chamberlain was the PM that declared the 'war guarantee' to Poland, and it is a fact of history, as soon as he did that (along with France), Poland became belligerent towards Germany. The USSR was every bit as much of an aggressor by invading Poland as was Germany as that the invasion of Poland was agreed upon with Germany in advance.

It seems to me that the only reason for your post was to disagree with me over things that I never even said. I've probably read over 100 books on the subject of the causes and effects of not only World War II, but WW I as well. I suggest that you try reading something of substance instead of relying upon the much tainted Wikipedia for your source.

Still think that the crooked little Ukrainian runt really wants peace?

‘We firmly reject the Ukrainian president’s intimidation’ – Zelensky threatens ‘future of Friendship depends on Hungary’s stance,’ after Kyiv attacks key pipeline again

U.S. President Trump has said he is "very angry" about the attacks on Hungary's energy supply

https://rmx.news/hungary/is-ukraine-willing-to-cut-hungarys-oil-zelensky-says-future-of-friendship-depends-on-hungarys-stance-as-kyiv-attacks-key-pipeline-again/

Zelensky is dead set against any substantive peace efforts and has proven that by not only this attack but by his recent demands that Crimea "be returned to Ukraine" along with "ALL of the land" that has been conquered by Russia. That will NEVER happen.

https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1961783669271756895

Meanwhile, this chick was just crowned Miss Ukraine.

Not having an Adam's apple or penis put her over the top, I heard.

https://t.me/rybar_in_english/24006

MolotovCocktail says

Miss Ukraine is pretty... no tattoos and no bull rings...

https://www.kunstler.com/p/slouching-towards-peace

Did you forget about Ukraine? Yes, a war is still going on there and it’s a weeping lesion on Western Civ, possibly leading to fatal sepsis. US neocons set the stage in 2014 with the Maidan color revolution as a wedge to wreck and then loot Russia. Then, for eight years, Ukraine harassed the Donbas with US-supplied missiles and artillery. Russia had enough of that in 2022 and ventured in to stop it. For “Joe Biden,” the war was a nice smokescreen to cover his long-running grift operations in Ukraine. The Euro club stupidly came along for the ride.

It was all a tragic and feckless waste. Mr. Trump wants to stop it, but Western Civ as a whole is in such a state of florid strategic disorder that he’s had to pretend the US supports Ukraine. Mr. Zelensky could not possibly carry on this mischief without US weapons and loads of US taxpayer cash. Still, the Russians advance implacably on-the-ground. They are going to “win” this war eventually — meaning, the US and Europe will lose — and everybody knows it. ...

Yet, Macron, Merz, and Starmer keep pushing the fantasy that Russia seeks to invade them, and so they must strike at Russia before that happens . . . all pure delusion.

You can suppose that Mr. Putin wants a negotiated peace rather than continuing the long grind on-the-ground, with all its casualties and expenditures. Such a negotiated peace really amounts to the US ceasing to support Zelensky’s war effort. Of course, such is the insanity of US political life, that many in our government pretend that we have a stake in Ukraine, and must retain some control of it.

Mr. Trump must know this is insane and is against the interests of the USA. He knows that Ukraine is historically in Russia’s sphere of influence — as Venezuela is in ours — and that the best outcome of this mess would be for Ukraine to return to its prior status as a harmless frontier between Russia and western Europe — as it had been since 1945 — looking to its humble business of growing wheat for export. We do not need Ukraine to be anybody’s problem, despite the insane yearnings of the neocons, the weapons manufacturers, and the reckless globalists of the EU, to make it everyone’s problem.

Ukraine is a main branch office of human trafficking, arms sale, adrenochrome, bioweapons, drug conduit etc. etc. for the Euro Royals, City of London and the Dutch/British East and West Indies Companies. It is the mafia restaurant that needs to suffer the fate of all hit men (to be hit so no blackmail or deathbed confessions) and crime scenes (need to be torched for insurance and to hide the evidence). Also, it is tinder for the democidal aspirations of the Illuminati Freemasons (along with Israel and Iran) to start WWIII.

It isn't working as plaanned, but they will still go through the motions anyway.