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RayAmerica says

which far exceeded anything that Hitler ever envisioned for Germany.

No. He had almost all of E Europe AND W Europe AND most of W Sov Union at one point. North Africa too.



Sovs just got E Europe and some Japanese islands.

RayAmerica says

First, both Great Britain and France gave 'war guarantees' to Poland should they be invaded, i.e., they would automatically declare war against the nation that invaded Poland.

The Allies accepted the fact he wanted to bring all the Germans under one country and grudgingly agreed.

Hitler violated the Munich Agreement by seizing ALL Czechoslovakia, not ONLY the Sudentenland as agreed. Repeat: Munich ONLY allowed Hitler to take the majority German-speaking Sudentenland and not one inch more of the Slavic Majority rest of Czechoslovakia.

But when he moved to seize the rest of Czechoslovakia, beyond the Sudenten Mountains and of course the big Skoda Arms Works, while puppeting Slovakia and able to attack Poland from the South and well as West, Hitler's bullshitting was finally rejected.

And not only did Hitler seize all of Czechoslovakia beyond the Sudentenland, he also awarded parts of the former country to Hungary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Vienna_Award

There was also a short conflict between Slovaks and Hungary over territory in early 1939, before Hitler ordered the Slovaks to stand down and not resist Hungarian occupation.

Public opinion in Britain and France rapidly shifted when Hitler showed he was not merely a nationalist trying to unify all Germans under one banner.

It's not like Hitler didn't demand Liebensraum in the East in Mein Kampf and extol the overlordship of Slavs by German Masters long before.

RayAmerica says

While Hitler was attempting to negotiate a return to Germany an area that was occupied predominantly by German people (ceded to Poland due to the Treaty of Versailles after WW I),

Hitler denounced the extant non-aggression Pact he signed in 1934 and to last 10 years to 1944 which called for all Polish-German disputes to be handled short of war, in April 1939, just after he broke the Munich Agreement and had fully occupied and settled Czechia and Slovakia. He also would ONLY accept a plebisite where all former residents of the Corridor could vote regardless of where they currently lived or when they were born (ie Germany), but only Poles born in the Corridor during Polish Control, a trick he hoped France and Britain would agree too - hardly any Poles could vote at all because that area was only Polish after WW1, a guaranteed vote going Hitler's way.

Furthermore, by taking the Corridor, Poland would become landlocked, utterly dependent on Germany for Sea Access

RayAmerica says

Poland became bellicose and refused all attempts at negotiations.

Because Hitler would not ease tensions by renewing the Non-Aggression Pact AND his absolute demand the plebisite be held in the matter that all Germans who ever lived in the Corridor could vote, only some Poles who ever lived there could vote (ie a tiny handful born after 1918)

The SiPo and pro-Nazi militias of Danzig went into Polish areas list lists of 10k's of Polish officials, VIPs, etc. for execution. The murders began before the occupation was complete and worsened immediately. The primary targets for assassination and liquidation were mostly Catholic Poles, not Jews.

Such as in Palmiry Forest.
https://polishhistory.pl/palmiry-and-the-destruction-of-the-polish-elite/
The "Special Prosecution Book"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Prosecution_Book_%E2%80%93_Poland
And the Gestapo-NKVD conferences where they shared hitlists of Polish (and Baltic) Patriots and potential Leaders
https://lithuaniatribune.com/soviet-nazi-cooperation/

RayAmerica says

Hitler AND Stalin both agreed to invade Poland and divide it with the Soviets controlling the East and Germany the West. Keep in mind and this is huge; GB & France did not declare war on the other invader, i.e., Soviet Russia, but only Germany.

It's also huge that the guy who supposedly was just worried about Bolshevism, signed a Pact with Bolsheviks in advance to invade Poland.
The Radio Station False Flag was just that, and of course the week delay of the planned Fall Weiss meant that saboteurs under Radio Silence attempted to carry out their attacks and were arrested in the days before Hitler invaded.

He already signed a deal to not only invade Poland, but divide Eastern Europe into Spheres of influence with the Boslheviks... so he could attack the Republics of Western Europe first. That's massive.

With Germany on their plate who invaded first, and Stalin's excuse that he was only invading Eastern Poland to check Hitler's expansion (when it was secretly agreed in advance), the Allies did not add to their woes by stickling on Principle. The fullness of the Molotov-Ribbentropp Pacts was not known for many months.
RayAmerica says

Russia gets a free pass, and it was our ally Russia that actually was the big benefactor of WW II, evidenced by the amount of territory in Eastern Europe that fell under their control, which far exceeded anything that Hitler ever envisioned for Germany.

Because A) Hitler failed and B) Hitler was the first Western Country to fully embrace Stalin, before he betrayed the Pact. But forgetting that Hitler not only signed away Eastern Poland, but also Finland into the Soviet Sphere with the Pact.

Also a great time to mention that Churchill was like Ron Paul in the 1930s, a mostly powerless backbencher disliked by the majority of newspapers and considered a warmonger by the majority of the population The idea he pulled the UK in War is absurd. He didn't enter government until after the Nazis violated Munich and invaded Poland - September 3rd, 1939, when he was put in the Admiralty. Before that he had no Portfolio at all in the Government.

As long as Zelensky is in power, peace is impossible. There is no possible way that Russia is going to give up Crimea! Yet ...

ZELENSKY VOWS TO RETAKE CRIMEA DESPITE TRUMP's PEACE PUSH

The US president earlier called it “impossible” for the peninsula, which voted to join Russia in 2014, to return to Kiev’s control
Zelensky vows to retake Crimea despite Trump’s peace push

Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky has rejected US calls to withdraw its claim to Crimea or make any territorial concessions to Russia.

In a speech marking Ukraine’s Independence Day on Sunday, Zelensky vowed to retake the peninsula, which is predominantly populated by ethnic Russians and overwhelmingly voted to join Russia after the 2014 Western-backed coup in Kiev. He also pledged to reclaim the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, which, along with Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions, joined Russia in 2022 after referendums.

https://www.rt.com/russia/623468-zelensky-trump-crimea-retake/

PS: Also, Putin is never going to give up the territories that Russia has conquered. The little comedian Dictator Zelensky continues to act as if he is in the driver's seat, when in fact, at the very best, he's riding in the trunk with the lid clamped down.

DemoralizerOfPanicans says

Also a great time to mention that Churchill was like Ron Paul in the 1930s, a mostly powerless backbencher disliked by the majority of newspapers and considered a warmonger by the majority of the population The idea he pulled the UK in War is absurd. He didn't enter government until after the Nazis violated Munich and invaded Poland - September 3rd, 1939, when he was put in the Admiralty.

I tortured myself by actually reading your weird comments based upon Wikipedia. I never even mentioned Churchill, but somehow, you found it necessary to correct me as if I did. Weird. Practically everyone that even has a minimal knowledge of that time period knows that Neville Chamberlain was the PM that declared the 'war guarantee' to Poland, and it is a fact of history, as soon as he did that (along with France), Poland became belligerent towards Germany. The USSR was every bit as much of an aggressor by invading Poland as was Germany as that the invasion of Poland was agreed upon with Germany in advance.

It seems to me that the only reason for your post was to disagree with me over things that I never even said. I've probably read over 100 books on the subject of the causes and effects of not only World War II, but WW I as well. I suggest that you try reading something of substance instead of relying upon the much tainted Wikipedia for your source.

Still think that the crooked little Ukrainian runt really wants peace?

‘We firmly reject the Ukrainian president’s intimidation’ – Zelensky threatens ‘future of Friendship depends on Hungary’s stance,’ after Kyiv attacks key pipeline again

U.S. President Trump has said he is "very angry" about the attacks on Hungary's energy supply

https://rmx.news/hungary/is-ukraine-willing-to-cut-hungarys-oil-zelensky-says-future-of-friendship-depends-on-hungarys-stance-as-kyiv-attacks-key-pipeline-again/

Zelensky is dead set against any substantive peace efforts and has proven that by not only this attack but by his recent demands that Crimea "be returned to Ukraine" along with "ALL of the land" that has been conquered by Russia. That will NEVER happen.

https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1961783669271756895

Meanwhile, this chick was just crowned Miss Ukraine.

Not having an Adam's apple or penis put her over the top, I heard.

https://t.me/rybar_in_english/24006

MolotovCocktail says

Miss Ukraine is pretty... no tattoos and no bull rings...

https://www.kunstler.com/p/slouching-towards-peace

Did you forget about Ukraine? Yes, a war is still going on there and it’s a weeping lesion on Western Civ, possibly leading to fatal sepsis. US neocons set the stage in 2014 with the Maidan color revolution as a wedge to wreck and then loot Russia. Then, for eight years, Ukraine harassed the Donbas with US-supplied missiles and artillery. Russia had enough of that in 2022 and ventured in to stop it. For “Joe Biden,” the war was a nice smokescreen to cover his long-running grift operations in Ukraine. The Euro club stupidly came along for the ride.

It was all a tragic and feckless waste. Mr. Trump wants to stop it, but Western Civ as a whole is in such a state of florid strategic disorder that he’s had to pretend the US supports Ukraine. Mr. Zelensky could not possibly carry on this mischief without US weapons and loads of US taxpayer cash. Still, the Russians advance implacably on-the-ground. They are going to “win” this war eventually — meaning, the US and Europe will lose — and everybody knows it. ...

Yet, Macron, Merz, and Starmer keep pushing the fantasy that Russia seeks to invade them, and so they must strike at Russia before that happens . . . all pure delusion.

You can suppose that Mr. Putin wants a negotiated peace rather than continuing the long grind on-the-ground, with all its casualties and expenditures. Such a negotiated peace really amounts to the US ceasing to support Zelensky’s war effort. Of course, such is the insanity of US political life, that many in our government pretend that we have a stake in Ukraine, and must retain some control of it.

Mr. Trump must know this is insane and is against the interests of the USA. He knows that Ukraine is historically in Russia’s sphere of influence — as Venezuela is in ours — and that the best outcome of this mess would be for Ukraine to return to its prior status as a harmless frontier between Russia and western Europe — as it had been since 1945 — looking to its humble business of growing wheat for export. We do not need Ukraine to be anybody’s problem, despite the insane yearnings of the neocons, the weapons manufacturers, and the reckless globalists of the EU, to make it everyone’s problem.

Ukraine is a main branch office of human trafficking, arms sale, adrenochrome, bioweapons, drug conduit etc. etc. for the Euro Royals, City of London and the Dutch/British East and West Indies Companies. It is the mafia restaurant that needs to suffer the fate of all hit men (to be hit so no blackmail or deathbed confessions) and crime scenes (need to be torched for insurance and to hide the evidence). Also, it is tinder for the democidal aspirations of the Illuminati Freemasons (along with Israel and Iran) to start WWIII.

It isn't working as plaanned, but they will still go through the motions anyway.

Patrick says

and that the best outcome of this mess would be for Ukraine to return to its prior status as a harmless frontier between Russia and western Europe — as it had been since 1945

That's 1989, not 1945.

Patrick says

Of course, such is the insanity of US political life, that many in our government pretend that we have a stake in Ukraine, and must retain some control of it.

It's called ENDIFICATION:

Back in those dark days, virus understanders sold measures like lockdowns and masking to the public first as a means of keeping hospitals at capacity by slowing virus infections, then as a means of slowing virus infections just because, and finally as rituals that we had to do more of whenever infections rose, regardless of what effect they had on anything. Mass vaccination followed a nearly identical arc. At first the vaccinators said everyone had to be vaccinated to stop the virus, but by late Autumn 2021 they wanted to vaccinate everybody as much as possible because reasons. In both cases you could see, in real time, the ends towards which we were striving regressing, until finally the means became unquestionable ends in themselves.

I propose to call this phenomenon endification, and I think it is very significant. It seems to happen whenever you mobilise large, complex systems towards goals that sooner or later prove unattainable. As these goals pass out of reach but the system remains mobilised, basic understandings of what we are even trying to do shift. The erstwhile means become almost sacred, worthy of pursuing in themselves, often for moral reasons. This can go on for a very long time even though it makes no sense and is painfully retarded.

- eugyppius

Isn't that right, @Patrick ?

Yes, that sounds exactly right.

https://fasteddynz.substack.com/p/on-the-train-with-3-ukrainians-in

On the Train with 3 Ukrainians in Peru

Soon after boarding the train, three travelling barnyard animals took the seats in my section and we shared a table. Two females and one male. I can feign charm and friendliness quite well (even though my default position on all people is one of extreme condescension and disgust), which I did, and they told me they were from Ukraine. ...

They informed me that Putin is the devil and that the war is horrible. The woman showed me a clip of some lights in the sky (fireworks?) taken in the evening from apartment and said see - they are trying to shoot down incoming Russian missiles! They even have North Korean soldiers! (She for sure watches CNN - a lot).

They went on to try to dispel my ignorance informing me that there was no real support for the referendum that resulted in the Crimea seceding from Ukraine. They insisted that this was an annexation. I was told that everything negative I hear about Ukraine is Russian propaganda (apparently there is only one nation spewing propaganda).

Not wanting to be confrontational I lobbed some softies at them.

FE: Addressing the male who appeared fit and healthy - how are you able to avoid fighting in the war?

M: I have an exemption because I work in the dairy industry.

Lucky him - he gets to go to Peru and he was in Nepal trekking last year! And meanwhile is comrades are dying by the hundreds of thousands fighting his arch enemy. I wanted to ask him why, if he hates Putin so much he doesn’t sign on the dotted line and jump into the fray. But I didn’t want to back the rat into a corner. He’s no doubt one of the many fellas we see in the clubs of Kyiv parting the nights away as the missiles light up the sky hahaha. Life is great despite war!

FE: struggling to hold back laughter said - I see, so that is considered a critical job in Ukraine

M: Yes

FE: addressing the female - from watching that clip on your phone - would you say it would be dangerous for me to travel to Kyiv?

F: Yes definitely. The male interjected and insisted that it is not dangerous (they then argue for a minute or so in Russian).

FE: addressing both of them - so it’s quite a dangerous place - do you know anyone either fighting in the war or living in a city targeted by the Russians who has been wounded or killed.

M and F: No. (Fast Eddy struggles to suppress his incredulity)

FE: addressing both of them - Russia’s military is considered one of the top 3 forces in the world along with the United States and China. Why do you think that they don’t just launch a barrage of missiles targeting all of the Ukraine’s power generation infrastructure.

M: Because Russia does not have enough missiles to do that, The Russian military is weak. They are even turning to North Korea for help.

I wanted to say that your friend just told me Kyiv is a dangerous place because the Russians are randomly launching missile attacks on the city regularly, yet they don’t have enough firepower to target key infrastructure? They were already getting worked up (and introducing the truth into a conversation with a barnyard animal only results in anger) up so I shifted the discussion to a more benign topic. What do ya’ll think of the new Taylor Swift release….

Conclusion

This war is fake.

Macron says that France will send 7k French troops to fight in Ukraine if the war lasts until 2026.

Ukraine is short on manpower and I'm sure that they will make a decent if short showing for themselves.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/france-to-deploy-7-000-soldiers-to-ukraine-in-2026-against-russian-forces/vi-AA1Phz0A?pc=HCTS

Misc says

Macron says that France will send 7k French troops to fight in Ukraine if the war lasts until 2026.

Ukraine is short on manpower and I'm sure that they will make a decent if short showing for themselves.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/france-to-deploy-7-000-soldiers-to-ukraine-in-2026-against-russian-forces/vi-AA1Phz0A?pc=HCTS

Sure he will.

He just made the job harder for French recruiters.

Misc says

Macron says that France will send 7k French troops to fight in Ukraine if the war lasts until 2026.

Ukraine is short on manpower and I'm sure that they will make a decent if short showing for themselves.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/france-to-deploy-7-000-soldiers-to-ukraine-in-2026-against-russian-forces/vi-AA1Phz0A?pc=HCTS

MolotovCocktail says

Misc says

Macron says that France will send 7k French troops to fight in Ukraine if the war lasts until 2026.

Ukraine is short on manpower and I'm sure that they will make a decent if short showing for themselves.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/france-to-deploy-7-000-soldiers-to-ukraine-in-2026-against-russian-forces/vi-AA1Phz0A?pc=HCTS

Sure he will.

To help with the surrender...

When the French say they are going to back you up its over.

I thought the Frogs were supposed to start the war, then pussy out and hand it over to the US. Maybe they think if they send some frogs over to be cannon fodder and cry loudly enough, this might trigger a "save a frog, lose hegemony" response from the US?

*Putin fears another coup as Russia finally begins to buckle*

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/c2568849ede24738

Suddenly, Putin has many reasons to be worried.

Russia’s economy is beginning to buckle. Businesses have been crippled by high interest rates, government borrowing costs have soared and economy minister Maxim Reshetnikov warned in June that the country was “on the brink of a recession”. Warnings are mounting over a potential avalanche of bad debt that could trigger a financial crisis.

Now Donald Trump is turning the screws. After frustration over a lack of progress to end the war in Ukraine, the US president announced new sanctions on two of Russia’s biggest oil companies on Wednesday.

India and China, the main buyers of Russian oil since the war began, responded by curbing purchases. It threatens to cut off crucial oil revenues to Putin’s war machine – and the Russian state.

“For the first time in three and a half years, Russia’s really getting hurt,” says Timothy Ash, an associate fellow at Chatham House’s Russia and Eurasia programme. “I think there’s some panic.”

The war is hitting home for ordinary citizens. Thick plumes of smoke have been rising from Russian oil refineries across the country this year following an unprecedented barrage of Ukrainian drone attacks.

Since January, Ukraine has hit 21 of Russia’s 38 largest refineries where crude oil is refined into products like petrol. It has struck as far as 683 miles into Russia from the Ukrainian border.

So much supply has been knocked out that petrol prices have surged by 40pc since the start of the year. Officials have introduced rationing in occupied Crimea while small petrol stations in Siberia have closed down. Social media is filled with video footage of enormous queues of cars waiting to fill up.

It has also massively ramped up borrowing. Between January and August, Russia’s issuance of bonds surged by 104pc year-on-year, according to the KSE Institute. Total issuance this year could hit a record high.

This borrowing binge is eye-wateringly expensive. Yields on 10-year Russian government bonds hit a four-month high of 15.2pc earlier in October.

Trump has therefore chosen a particularly painful moment to begin turning the screws on Putin.
***
Russia’s economic weakness may encourage Trump to go further. “A major argument for him pushing Ukraine to compromise was that Russia would inevitably win this war. As he put it tactlessly in the White House, ‘You have no cards,’” says a former US diplomat, referring to Trump’s explosive White House press conference in February. “He does like winners.”

Now, it may be Putin who has no cards.

Intense pressure will be essential if Trump truly wants to stop the war, says [Mikhail] Khodorkovsky. “All the concessions that could have been offered to Putin have already been offered. It’s time for Trump to play the ‘bad cop’.”

He appears to be doing just that, pushing Russia’s economy to the brink. Trump told reporters in the Oval Office: “All of a sudden this economy is going to collapse.”

Russia has been fighting aimlessly for three and a half years a War that should have taken a Real Military Power less than a week to win. This is not distinguishing Russia. In fact, it is very much making them look like "a paper tiger." -- Donald J. Trump

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/10/100000-fighting-age-ukrainian-men-have-fled-country/

The_Deplorable says

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/10/100000-fighting-age-ukrainian-men-have-fled-country/

So much for star power.

Looks like Russia continue to nibble the cheese.

MolotovCocktail says

France sucks Trump's cock:

MolotovCocktail says

Now Euro Hillary gets on board, too.

https://www.rt.com/russia/628319-what-kiev-hopes-you-wont-notice/

From the comments,,,



https://www.rt.com/russia/628319-what-kiev-hopes-you-wont-notice/