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Patrick says

The second picture looks like one of those realistic plastic masks to me.

Isn't it funny we're at the point where we're pontificating if our current president is a literal actor 1/2 the time? We're not banana republic, we're banana split sundae republic!

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Take from it what you will.

I appreciate he constantly cautions that you cannot trust anything, but that you can draw a conclusion over time based on what pieces of the puzzle fit together.

AmericanKulak says

You mean some non-English Youtube Channel most people never heard of has a video on it.

My track record here is nearly perfect, in terms of predictions and reports. I earlier explained how to tell if your process holds water. That was apparently wasted on you.

You started this thread, right? And you meant the title in the most serious way, haven't you? The fact that it turned into a laughing stock as fast as it did should've been a hint from the universe that you should revisit yours.

Another general bites the dust. Yakov Ryazantsev, the commander of the 49th Combined Arms Army. Also, a "hero" of Syria.

Rest in pieces, comrade.

mostly reader says

AmericanKulak says

You mean some non-English Youtube Channel most people never heard of has a video on it.

My track record here is nearly perfect, in terms of predictions and reports. I earlier explained how to tell if your process holds water. That was apparently wasted on you.

You started this thread, right? And you meant the title in the most serious way, haven't you? The fact that it turned into the laughing stock as fast as it did should've been a hint from the universe that you should revisit yours.

LOL, sure Jan. Also I explained way in the beginning of the thread it was sarcastic. I'm actually surprised at the relatively tepid resistance, though I did expect Azov Battalion to resist the best as it was an all volunteer group of true believers, who typically fight hardest. My opinion is that Putin went in too soft, that the resistance was greater than he was told, but it's nowhere near the level asserted by NWO Propaganda outfits.

I think you're a Faux Skeptic, only showing up to defend Status Quo ideas with biased "Skepticism", and your position on Mask Efficacy is totally exploded.

TBH I don't often bother to read your posts for this reason.

AmericanKulak says

"Ukraine reported" is a huge red flag.

Of course it is, pretty much everything you hear is a lie. The only thing that is a fact is that there are plenty of Russian speaking people that want to belong to Russia in the Ukraine, that's why the donbass and crimea conflicts have been smoldering for so long, too long without any serious diplomacy trying to address and fix them. But people like propaganda, gives a better sense of belonging. It's very powerful

mell says

The only thing that is a fact is that there are plenty of Russian speaking people that want to belong to Russia in the Ukraine,

Not "there are". "There were". The tense is past. And that's giving the biggest possible benefit of the doubt to your statement. Russkis put a lot of work into changing that during the last month. Mariupol, for example, was a predominately Russian-speaking city. Note that "was" is the proper tense here as well. People in biggest Ukrainian cities, Kyiv and Kharkiv, mostly speak Russian. Those people now hate Russkis with passion.

Had a Skype buddy living in the Ukraine about 15 years ago to discuss a lot of medical research pertaining a specific topic, and he wanted to be part of Russia and supported the crimea/donbass movement in non-violent ways. He constantly had to change and recreate his Skype identity as they tracked him down by web location and he said his freedom if not his life was in constant danger if the Ukrainian govt found him, just for being a political opponent. Eventually he disappeared and never heard from him again

mostly reader says

Not "there are". "There were". The tense is past. And that's giving the biggest possible benefit of the doubt to your statement. Russkis put a lot of work into changing that during the last month. Mariupol, for example, was a predominately Russian-speaking city. Note that "was" is the proper tense here as well. People in biggest Ukrainian cities, Kyiv and Kharkiv, mostly speak Russian. Those people now hate Russkis with passion.

We already have interviews with Theater hostages who said that Azov kept them as human shields. Last Month, before the invasion, Ukrainian Soldiers - possibly Azov - murdered several Greeks:
https://www-mfa-gr.translate.goog/epikairotita/diloseis-omilies/anakoinose-upourgeiou-exoterikon-gia-ton-thanato-duo-omogenon-kai-ton-baru-traumatismo-allon-duo-sto-khorio-granitna-tes-anatolikes-oukranias-14022022.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp&source=patrick.net

Right now I'm just waiting for the next round of BS Fake News, probably about White Phosphorous and "Chemical Weapons".

I simply don't believe anything that comes out, and the Snake Island Surrender, Ghost of Kiev, and photoshopped "Z" on 2014 era equipment (since both sides use largely the same family of heavy vehicles like BMP, BTR, and T-72) has made that clear.

AmericanKulak says

LOL, sure Jan.

Which part of my statement warrants the condescension? Or you are using it to dismiss something that you can't debate?

You know, I'm always happy to rub someone into the doo-doo that they leave behind.

mostly reader says

You know, I'm always happy to rub someone into the doo-doo that they leave behind.

Getting frustrated, hmmm? One suggestion would be that random twitter and esp. Non-English unknown outlets on twitter, don't really mean much to me, or anybody who is a real skeptic.

AmericanKulak says

Getting frustrated, hmmm?

About what? I challenged your statement, you have no answer, and I'm frustrated?

mostly reader says

Which part of my statement warrants the condescension?

mostly reader says

My track record here is nearly perfect, in terms of predictions and reports. I earlier explained how to tell if your process holds water. That was apparently wasted on you.

Yo, Tone Def, let's drop a new track, yo! This is why I don't take you very seriously.

As for being skeptical, I've learned over the years:










Guess what almost every one of those lying douchebag "Former Intel" Officials support? Tougher Action in Ukraine.

Slava Ukraina! Glory to the Ukraine! AFU fighters sweep Moscovites from sky!

AmericanKulak says

Who's Jeff Cercone? That's right - a jorno. I.e. nobody.

AmericanKulak says

This is why I don't take you very seriously.

Go back and find a fact that I declared that turned out inaccurate. You may go longer than 48 hours. I doubt that you can.

You don't take me seriously because then CD will make your head explode. Not because you can debate my points. You must protect that fragile psyche after all.

While you don't take me seriously, here are couple more facts I didn't yet see reported here:

- Chubais, one of the closest Putin comrades and Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation for Relations with International Organisations, left his office and jumped the ship. He was seen in Turkey. If you don't understand what that means you don't understand anything.

- Elvira Nabiullina, Russian head of the Central Bank, has requested to be relieved of her office. The request was denied. This is the unquestionable part. The part which is likely but for which I can't point to a public source is the following: it happened twice, and after the second time she was told that the only way she's leaving is through the penitentiary system for her and her family.

Minime says

Eric Holder says

Minime says

Im from Ukraine and have relatives and friends in there. I can tell you that most people dont give a shit who rules them. All they want is prosperity and peace.

According to my colleagues in Ukraine this is the type of people they call "wata" ("cotton"?) there. =)) Nobody said these types don't exist - they do, but it was great miscalculation by Putin to assume they are in the majority. Apparently they are not.

It's OK, we had fucking loyalists during American Revolutionary War too.

PS. And how's that "prosperity and peace" going on for the Putin's subjects?

There are wars worth fighting for and then there are wars for power. If you cant tell difference between those then you either young or full of shit. This war sold to young generation as for freedom. If you t...

"Great Minds Discuss Ideas. Average Minds Discuss Events. Small Minds Discuss People."

We used to have the word "you" highligted in red on this site to discourage this kind of "small mind" tilt in discussions. Patrick should probably bring it back.

PS. BTW, did your "friends and family" greet the invading mongoloid hordes as liberators? Please post some footage if they did - this thread desperately needs some.

richwicks says

Does it matter if there's multiple people playing the part?

Biden is obviously a puppet. It doesn't even matter if he's a CGI deep fake.

There are those who argue that it doesn't matter, except as a juncture where you red pill and realize the deep fakes that are going on with brand name identity capture. What is important is the 'crew' behind the corporate shills.

Imposters are nothing more than corporate logos who have achieved valuable mass recognition status, even if the underlying image is a fiction or somebody has been murdered and resurrected for convenience. Khazarian mafia have been into identity theft for many centuries. Kill the icons of wealth and politicos and replace them with controlled impersonators. Use the wealth and influence for your own ends. Some think Bill and Melinda Gates were dead around 2013 or so, and their identity logos and fortune hijacked to serve the NWO madness more directly. Melinda Gates is obviously not the same person, and even looks like a tranny. Any resemblance is strictly approximate. We also saw Justin Castro's double, who looks older, rougher and has a gap between his teeth the the real Castro doesn't have.

It matters to recognize the fake, but beyond that, addressing the conglomerate logo is the thing. Putin is reportedly on his sixth incarnation as the Russian corporate logo. Putin has a common slavic appearance, so he is probably not too difficult to substitute with new actors. The 'current' Putin isn't the original baleful KGB assassinista, but is now supposed to be a reflection of the Russian desire to go back to the days of Russian Orthodox christian heritage and national values pre-Illuminati KommieKunt.

Trump doesn't repeat it more than once, but at the debates, he clearly stated that whoever was out there was not the Joe Biden he remembered and spoke with in the past. He also stated recently that the 'current' Putin is not the fella he was friends with during his administration.

Of course, we have all of those IHLlary body doubles obviously running around. They are a lot more healthy, young and attractive than the old demon cellulite pile.

Is that cockpit from Clint Eastwood Firefox?

Looks like Russia is dialing back expectations claiming Kiev and other major cities were never the goal. Looks like Russia might be pushed out of Kherson too.

"Russia had never intended to capture Kyiv, Kharkiv and other cities, the generals said - these are not setbacks in other words, it's all part of the plan. And the plan was to distract Ukrainian forces while Russia/ Donetsk/ Luhansk made territorial gains in the east."
https://twitter.com/polinaivanovva/status/1507400330140696576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1507400330140696576%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fhotair.com%2Fallahpundit%2F2022%2F03%2F25%2Fdid-russia-just-give-up-on-seizing-kiev-n458020&source=patrick.net

https://twitter.com/Stuckvisor/status/1507137154065088518?source=patrick.net

socal2 says

Looks like Russia is dialing back expectations claiming Kiev and other major cities were never the goal. Looks like Russia might be pushed out of Kherson too.

"Russia had never intended to capture Kyiv, Kharkiv and other cities, the generals said - these are not setbacks in other words, it's all part of the plan. And the plan was to distract Ukrainian forces while Russia/ Donetsk/ Luhansk made territorial gains in the east."
https://twitter.com/polinaivanovva/status/1507400330140696576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1507400330140696576%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fhotair.com%2Fallahpundit%2F2022%2F...&source=patrick.net

LOLwhat? Start a major invasion from 6 directions, lose more troops, tanks and aircraft than in 10 years of Afghan war, displace 10 million people, kill God knows how many civilians and get hit with major sanctions only to get what you already had - a useless sliver of Ukrainian territory with some non-functioning old coal mines and chemical plants? This is the smartest plan in the history of smart plans! Smarter even than that gnome underwear plan. How's the fuck is this any better than what they had on Feb 23, 2022? Same fucking Dumb_ass under control, but no sanctions and the whole world oblivious to how really fucked up their military is. PUTIN! SO! SMART!

richwicks says

socal2 says

Onvacation says

Some folks don't like being manipulated by propaganda.

Yeah - It is tough to know what to believe.

Not really. Whatever our government is promoting is the wrong thing to support. That's pretty much been the rule for 20 years.

Were they right about any of the wars?
Were they right about bailing out the criminals on wall street in 2007 and 2008 instead of prosecuting them?
Were they right about passing the ACA that only made it illegal not to carry health insurance, and imposed a $2,000 fine on those that couldn't afford it?
Were they right about LGBTQ+ advocacy?
Were they right to overthrow Ukraine?
Were they right about abortion - up to the day of birth?
Were they right about sars-cov2-19 being a pandemic?
Were they right about the vaccines?
Were ...

Agreed. Chances are dim they're even a little bit right and not totally full of shit

mostly reader says

- Chubais, one of the closest Putin comrades and Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation for Relations with International Organisations, left his office and jumped the ship. He was seen in Turkey. If you don't understand what that means you don't understand anything.

- Elvira Nabiullina, Russian head of the Central Bank, has requested to be relieved of her office. The request was denied. This is the unquestionable part. The part which is likely but for which I can't point to a public source is the following: it happened twice, and after the second time she was told that the only way she's leaving is through the penitentiary system for her and her family.

What are you trying to prove? That putin doesn't run a sound and free govt and has many enemies? Does a bear shit in the woods? The Ukranian government is a puppet govt put in place by the US that felt the need to spy on, harass, imprison and (threaten to) kill political opponents and outlaw whole parties and censor the press. Sounds familiar? Yeah thought so. The people of both countries are paying for this shit and putin is at least as popular as zelinsky (which doesnt mean much). It's a tragedy on both sides that could have been prevented time and time again with diplomacy and sound leadership.

mostly reader says

Go back and find a fact that I declared that turned out inaccurate. You may go longer than 48 hours. I doubt that you can.

Nah, I'm not aspie or bored enough to bother. This is the dullest and oldest trick out there, flip the responsibility onto me to debunk you. I saw how you tried to maintain the fiction that Masks worked on a public health level by dismissing real world empirical data and clinging to controlled laboratory experiments. In reality, we had real world experience and data on a public health, real world usage level for decades with other respiratory diseases for decades, and the outcome of COVID mask wearing followed those closely - statistically insignificant in almost every case, and even in the handful when it was barely outside the MoE, it was hardly worth the bother in terms of economic and psychological damage. The point being we knew that going into COVID. And it wasn't an excess of caution given the Smearing of Ivermectin (and HCQ), the former of which is now clearly shown to have a solid impact on COVID if dosed early.

This isn't a personal attack, but I've seen your post history and you show up when the Narrative needs to be Defended, so I'll stand in my belief that you are a Faux Skeptic, and not worth my time because you're not up for conversion

mostly reader says

While you don't take me seriously, here are couple more facts I didn't yet see reported here:

- Chubais, one of the closest Putin comrades and Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation for Relations with International Organisations, left his office and jumped the ship. He was seen in Turkey. If you don't understand what that means you don't understand anything.

- Elvira Nabiullina, Russian head of the Central Bank, has requested to be relieved of her office. The request was denied. This is the unquestionable part. The part which is likely but for which I can't point to a public source is the following: it happened twice, and after the second time she was told that the only way she's leaving is through the penitentiary system for her and her family.

Ukraine is the 4th most corrupt country in the world. Russia is the 7th.
. Ukraine was the single largest source of big donations to the Clinton Foundation, and Hunter got a great job with Burisma, that is run by an Oligarch.

What's the point of these facts? That Russia has corruption? No shit. But Ukraine isn't some fantasy Shire of incorrupt, decentralized democracy lovey dovery happy hobbits, either. It's the most corrupt country in Europe:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/04/welcome-to-the-most-corrupt-nation-in-europe-ukraine

AmericanKulak says

Ukraine is the 4th most corrupt country in the world. Russia is the 7th.

By whose measure?

Eric Holder says

AmericanKulak says

Ukraine is the 4th most corrupt country in the world. Russia is the 7th.

By whose measure?

Ernst and Young in 2012.

https://www.kyivpost.com/article/opinion/op-ed/people-first-the-latest-in-the-watch-on-ukrainian-democracy-5-312797.html?source=patrick.net

Heard this on War Room as well, first hour I believe.

AmericanKulak says

This is the dullest and oldest trick out there, flip the responsibility onto me to debunk you.

That's how arguments work: if you claim or imply something, you need to back it up. It IS your responsibility.

You dismissed my statement, I challenged you on that. With predictable result.

AmericanKulak says

I saw how you tried to maintain the fiction that Masks worked on a public health level by dismissing real world empirical data and clinging to controlled laboratory experiments.

Now you are outright lying. I remember that argument. Where did I try to maintain a fiction? Be specific. I say - your reading comprehension is not my problem.

AmericanKulak says

ou show up when the Narrative needs to be Defended

I mostly show up on 3 occasions:
- when I can be of help and I don't see that help coming from someone else
- when I must engage in a dialog to learn something
- when someone says something outrageously stupid and untrue about a cause for which I care. It has nothing to do with narrative. I just know it for a fact that those who defend this invasion are blowing the trumpet for the worst of the scum that there is.

There's one more, when someone lends advice which may cause bodily harm. This hasn't yet happened here AFAIR. One instance was somewhat close, but not close enough to pass the criteria.

AmericanKulak says

Eric Holder says

AmericanKulak says

Ukraine is the 4th most corrupt country in the world. Russia is the 7th.

By whose measure?

Ernst and Young in 2012..

LOL. That's Yanukovitch times where Ukraine was practically Russia's dominion. To the point that their fucking Minister of Defense was a Russian citizen. Let this sink in.

"Second military in the world"

mostly reader says

That's how arguments work: if you claim or imply something, you need to back it up. It IS your responsibility.

mostly reader says

That's how arguments work: if you claim or imply something, you need to back it up. It IS your responsibility.

You dismissed my statement, I challenged you on that. With predictable result.

I'm going to continue to dismiss your statement. "Ukraine Reported" on a rando twitter account is a crap source. Most of the posts in this thread are unprovenced claims by pro-Ukraine NGOs and "Media" with mysterious funding.

mostly reader says

Now you are outright lying. I remember that argument. Where did I try to maintain a fiction? Be specific. I say - your reading comprehension is not my problem.

There's a thread on it, not too long ago, maybe a couple of weeks back. We had a discussion on YOU providing evidence that masks work in the real world, and you provided nothing but controlled experiments in labs.

mostly reader says

I mostly show up on 3 occasions:
- when I can be of help and I don't see that help coming from someone else
- when I must engage in a dialog to learn something
- when someone says something outrageously stupid and untrue about a cause for which I care. It has nothing to do with narrative. I just know it for a fact that those who defend this invasion are blowing the trumpet for the worst of the scum that there is.

There's one more, when someone lends advice which may cause bodily harm. This hasn't yet happened here AFAIR. One instance was somewhat close, but not close enough to pass the criteria.

Ain't you a hero?

This was a long predicted reaction to Neocon meddling in Ukraine. "Leading Ukraine down the Primrose Path" as Mearsheimer put it years ago in the early years of the last decade, and George Kennan warned about what has basically happened decades ago in the 90s before his death.

Nobody is cheering it, just regretting it because it was predicted.

Literally every single asshole in charge of Iraq and Afghanistan and the Obama-era ISIS turd are the some every single assholes that have been pushing Ukraine to cool it's relations with Russia.

AmericanKulak says

There's a thread on it, not too long ago, maybe a couple of weeks back. We had a discussion on YOU providing evidence that masks work in the real world, and you provided nothing but controlled experiments in labs.

Because! That! Was! My! Initial! Statement! To which everyone in the right mind should agree - that masks work in controlled environment. It was never meant to be extended to anything other than that. Of course I didn't provide real world evidence, I never was in that conversation and I never defended that position. "I gracefully decline the invitation to join your hallucination".

AmericanKulak says

Ain't you a hero?

You made a comment - I answered. Is there a problem? Apparently there is. Sorry about shattering your little world.

But hey, look, there's a Nazi under your bed!

BTW, I used this last line under other circumstances and didn't expect that I'd have a chance to use it here.

mostly reader says

Because! That! Was! My! Initial! Statement! To which everyone in the right mind should agree - that masks work in controlled environment. It was never meant to be extended to anything other than that. Of course I didn't provide real world evidence, I never was in that conversation and I never defended that position. "I gracefully decline the invitation to join your hallucination".

And my statement was Public Health. What works in a lab doesn't always translate to the real world, whether engineering or biology, as IRL is a messy place.

mostly reader says

You made a comment - I answered. Is there a problem? Apparently there is. Sorry about shattering your little world.

But hey, look, there's a Nazi under your bed!

BTW, I used this last line under other circumstances and didn't expect that I'd have a chance to use it here.

You're way too full of yourself, which is why I dismiss you.

Isn't it kind of purposelessness to argue about the stupid war in Ukraine?

People get caught up in the propaganda, and it's just that, a bunch of lies. I will listen to some people ONLY to find out how reliable they are, and I don't find out how reliable they are until after the fact.

I've been doing this for years, which is why I know it's completely worthless to listen to what is called "mainstream news".

AmericanKulak says

And my statement was Public Health. What works in a lab doesn't always translate to the real world, whether engineering or biology, as IRL is a messy place.

So you decided that I argued against your point and made a fool of yourself. Got it.
AmericanKulak says

You're way too full of yourself, which is why I dismiss you.

Just so you know: it's easy to appear full of oneself next to someone who's full of something else.

mostly reader says

So you decided that I argued against your point and made a fool of yourself. Got it.

This doesn't provide any information. You're just declaring victory because you always want to be in an argument, and not a discussion.

I think you are tiresome to try to communicate with, because you're a brick wall. You've shown no capacity to think or to absorb information, or to digest what you didn't previously know. Your mind can't be altered in the least. You don't know how to have a discussion in my opinion.

richwicks says

This doesn't provide any information.

It sure does. It invites a discussion about a possible disconnect, at the very least.

I, of course, do not mean that it provides information to you.


richwicks says

You're just declaring victory because you always want to be in an argument, and not a discussion.

I'm declaring the victory because it's warranted. If you crap your pants I may pretend that it didn't happen if I like you. Or not if I don't.

richwicks says

You've shown no capacity to think or to absorb information, or to digest what you didn't previously know.

If someone is looking for an example of clownesque, look no further!! I'll give you a hint about the "why": things that I do know, how do I know them?

As to your persona. The entire worldview that you are pushing on patnet is based on little tweaks of reality that shoehorn your agenda into coherent picture. It falls apart as soon as you "untweak" them. I made an example of it in a lengthier post about blatant propaganda. Your message is a perfect use case.

BTW, just so you know. When I earlier mentioned recommendation which was somewhat close to causing bodily harm, I meant specifically you. You really should abstain from topics of which you understand little. Which is most of them.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

You're just declaring victory because you always want to be in an argument, and not a discussion.

I'm declaring the victory because it's warranted. If you crap your pants I may pretend that it didn't happen if I like you. Or not if I don't.

This is why I don't take you too seriously. Again, you can't have a discussion.

Time will tell what the fallout from the Ukraine/Russian war is - there are no good sides. This is a battle between oligarchs which are sacrificing people for their own ends, and have no real stakes in the outcome.