patrick.net

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/ukraine-invasion-nothing-compared-iraq-afghanistan/?source=patrick.net

The frequently heard charge that Putin’s invasion of Ukraine violates ostensibly sacred international “norms” holds no water. No such norms exist — at least none that a great power will recognize as inhibiting its own freedom of action. For proof, we need look no further than the recent behavior of the United States which has routinely demonstrated a willingness to write its own norms while employing violence on a scale far exceeding anything that Russia has done or is likely to do. ...

Russian actions in Ukraine deserve universal condemnation. But as crimes go, Putin’s aggression pales in comparison with the human toll exacted by Saddam Hussein’s US-supported war of choice against Iran. As for the calamitous results of the US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, the impact of Russia’s incursion into Ukraine rates as trivial by comparison.

America has no right to condemn the invasion in Ukraine until it condemns its own far more violent and completely unjustified invasion of Iraq.

Reality says

The chicken legs program was either $5mil or $50mil; i.e. 1/1000 to 1/10,000 the number that you threw up.

I put that number out there because I remember seeing it in one of the reports. I may have mixed up the columns in the report, and it was a while ago (which I disclosed). I tried to find a source and couldn't. What's your source regarding your number?

https://www.lesoir.be/428052/article/2022-03-04/vladimir-poutine-qualifie-de-fabrication-les-accusations-de-bombardements?source=patrick.net

"The information about the alleged bombing of Kiev and other major cities are just gross propaganda fabrications," Putin assured during a telephone conversion with the German chancellor.

Don't the Germans have decent satellite images which can tell this kind of thing? So you'd think they'd prove Putin right or wrong on this.

https://t.me/greatreject/31650?source=patrick.net

War correspondent Anne-Laure Bonnell, who is in Ukraine, shocked followers "I am not a party and I am not defending Putin, but the truth is that I am close to the citizens, what I am saying is that the Ukrainian army is bombing its own people in the region of Donbass.

That would make sense, because Donbass is a majority Russian area.

Patrick says

That would make sense, because Donbass is a majority Russian area.

There's a lesson to be learned here.

mostly reader says

I speak with people from that part of the world daily. Directly. Without having to go through media outlets. Those invaders are murderous cocksuckers.

Do they have any cell phone footage?

Yes. With authentic voices of people getting bombed. Speaking Russian. Before you ask: I'm not going to post it here. Because GPS tags.

mostly reader says

Before you ask: I'm not going to post it here. Because GPS tags

I can help you remove those with ffmpeg, or I can remove them myself with ffmpeg.

If you run Linux, I can walk you through the process.

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/339119/how-to-strip-gps-location-data-from-an-mp4-video-file

ffmpeg works under Windows as well, but fuck if I'm competent with that OS. Probably works nearly the same, but goddamned, I hate that fucking operating system.

mostly reader says

Yes. With authentic voices of people getting bombed. Speaking Russian.

If you want, I can provide a private place to upload them. I have a server.

Or you can upload them to a website,

OR if you send them to me, I will upload them to a website like Bitchute and archive them.

You have them after all, what's the point of having them if you're not going to share them? That's the whole point of recording government bullshit.

Patrick says

https://www.lesoir.be/428052/article/2022-03-04/vladimir-poutine-qualifie-de-fabrication-les-accusations-de-bombardements?source=patrick.net

"The information about the alleged bombing of Kiev and other major cities are just gross propaganda fabrications," Putin assured during a telephone conversion with the German chancellor.

Don't the Germans have decent satellite images which can tell this kind of thing? So you'd think they'd prove Putin right or wrong on this.

Haha, in this world we live, for all we know, Ukraine is bombing Kiev themselves. Do you really put it past them? I don't.

Governments will do anything. They're all run by complete sociopaths.

richwicks says

mostly reader says

Before you ask: I'm not going to post it here. Because GPS tags

I can help you remove those with ffmpeg, or I can remove them myself with ffmpeg.

Can't one just take a screenshot (or snip) of the image while dispalyed on the computer, and send a copy of that? It seems using a screenshot would not have any GPS tags.

HeadSet says

richwicks says

mostly reader says

Before you ask: I'm not going to post it here. Because GPS tags

I can help you remove those with ffmpeg, or I can remove them myself with ffmpeg.

Can't one just take a screenshot (or snip) of the image while dispalyed on the computer, and send a copy of that? It seems using a screenshot would not have any GPS tags.

Usually the phone software asks if the GPS tag should be removed

richwicks says

I can help you remove those with ffmpeg, or I can remove them myself with ffmpeg.

I'm not publishing anything that can be linked to the person/people who made the video. Even "approximately". Or putting it on a server which I don't own. May be after the war.

HeadSet says

richwicks says

mostly reader says

Before you ask: I'm not going to post it here. Because GPS tags

I can help you remove those with ffmpeg, or I can remove them myself with ffmpeg.

Can't one just take a screenshot (or snip) of the image while dispalyed on the computer, and send a copy of that? It seems using a screenshot would not have any GPS tags.

Sure, you can open a window to copy the video being played, but this often reduces quality quite a bit - but it should remove all metadata. Really, video is so goddamned incredible today, it hardly makes a difference, so yes, this would work - provided he has a program do this.

I don't use programs like this though, but I know they are around.

Interestingly - do you know how BluRay was FIRST cracked? Some smartass setup their player to advance one frame at a time, and did a screenshot of each frame, then they (somehow) pulled the audio from it, and took all the screen shots, spliced them together, and reproduced the film. The designers never thought of it.

In under 24 hours all the work into making the DRM for BluRay was for nothing.

DRM is kind of stupid in my opinion. We live in a day and age where you can video tape a 4K television playing a movie and get a very respectable reproduction. You can't prevent copies of any physical media, even with non-physical media it's probably impossible.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

I can help you remove those with ffmpeg, or I can remove them myself with ffmpeg.

I'm not publishing anything that can be linked to the person/people who made the video. Even "approximately". Or putting it on a server which I don't own. May be after the war.

I can help you setup a server and allow you to do it yourself.

I can make a virtual machine, or explain how to set one up.

I use VirtualBox:

https://www.virtualbox.org/?source=patrick.net

You can install a linux distribution, like this one:

https://neon.kde.org/?source=patrick.net

which COMES with ffmpeg.

Virtual machines are only SLIGHTLY slower than the real physical machine today. Modern chips (even consumer grade ones) are built with virtualization as part of them. Have been since around 2010.

Or like HeadSet suggested, just do a screen capture during playback. That would eliminate ALL metadata.

That is, if you're being honest and actually have these videos. The whole point of recording government malfeasance is to expose it in order to stop it. I'll work with you and help you set this up. Fuck, I can even (and will) make a VM, but honestly, I'm technically competent enough to put in a backdoor to any VM I setup, and it's correct to be paranoid and not trust me. If you don't know your way around Linux, certainly you shouldn't trust me, because then you wouldn't be able to detect any bullshit somebody would pull.

Not that I would pull any bullshit, but anybody pulling bullshit would say that.

I have intimated I don't trust what you say. I'm just calling you out. I don't expect you to produce anything.

But if I'm wrong, I'll walk you through even Windows setup of ffmpeg. What OS are you using? I'll find screen capture programs for you, they record live video.

It's a freakish world we live in. I mean, honestly it is. This shit was all science fiction when I was a young engineer, we have gone FAR further than I thought possible in my lifetime. At RCA we had a 10 million dollar machine that could convert NTSC video in REAL TIME to mp2. Now, I can literally do that crap on a $50 smart phone, no shit. Consumers only see the end result, digital data transfer reduced bandwidth transmission to 2% of what it used to be. It's fucking amazing. A film that was stored on a VCR tape, fits on a $2 dongle I bought at a liquor store, with room to spare for 100 more of them, and I can copy it in under 30 seconds - not 2 hours.

Ever see the dumb film Johnny Mnemonic? The character was a courier for information and had his childhood erased to carry data in his brain. You know what his brain stored? 1.5 GB. I have more storage than that on my chip cache. A chip with that storage capacity is now the size of a grain of sand. Even the engineers didn't see this shit coming.

richwicks says

I can help you setup a server and allow you to do it yourself.

Thanks. I'm somewhat hi-tech savvy. Learn to take "no" for an answer.

Are you seriously, SERIOUSLY telling me that you haven't seen such streams? Not from MSM, from common folks. I'm looking at my (admittedly not typical) feed and thinking that everyone around must be swamped with those. If you don't believe them, why would you believe me, someone who you publicly labeled "Habera"?

richwicks says

Sure, you can open a window to copy the video being played, but this often reduces quality quite a bit - but it should remove all metadata. Really, video is so goddamned incredible today, it hardly makes a difference, so yes, this would work - provided he has a program do this.

PowerPoint can do a good screen capture of any video playing on a PC monitor. Maybe LibreOffice Impress can also, but I have not tried that.

mostly reader says

Not from MSM, from common folks.

How do you know they're common folks?

A bunch of guys who look 40-50 on an old Ural took a pic/video? So what, doesn't mean they're not intel/media guys in Vatnik or Track Clothes.

AmericanKulak says

How do you know they're common folks?

Because I personally know them? I thought I made it abundantly clear that I know folks in that part of the world.

P.S. I think I answered a wrong question. To your question: because it's consistent with shoots that I saw from the folks that I personally know.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

I can help you setup a server and allow you to do it yourself.

Thanks. I'm somewhat hi-tech savvy. Learn to take "no" for an answer.

We all have our abilities.

If you're comfy around Linux, you can use ffmpeg to strip metadata for GPS, or really, it's an excellent idea to do what HeadSet suggested, and do a live screen capture to remove all metadata.

Again, what is the point of recording government fuckery, if you keep it to yourself? Fuck the government. When those assholes commit crimes, it's our DUTY to expose them. Go ahead and strip the metadata, and HeadSet has a very good idea of doing a life screen capture. You can upload it to my server, and I will post it to, mmm, bitchute through tor.

Tor is available under the Brave web browser. You can use that to upload to my server, a global adversary (i.e. government) could detect you accessed my machine, but I can't.

mostly reader says

Are you seriously, SERIOUSLY telling me that you haven't seen such streams? Not from MSM, from common folks.

I'm seriously aware of how fucking sewer level our government will go to lie to us. Mother fuckers did this:


original link


What a bunch of cunts. That fucking piece of shit lying psychopathic whore helped start a war. She was coached by Hill and Knowlton, and was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador. There had to be at least ONE person in our congress that knew who she was, and our fucking traitorous scum intelligence agencies CERTAINLY knew who she was.

I know what I'm up against. I'm fully aware.

April Glaspie, the US ambassador to Iraq ENCOURAGED that war. She initially denied this, Hussein produced audio tape and transcripts which our media INVARIABLY claimed were forgeries, she resigned in the end, never to be heard from again. Back when lying scumbags had shame. I miss those days. I remember recordings during the MH17 incident when INCOMPETENT assholes produced an audio recording which was OBVIOUSLY fraudulent - they actually went from stereo recording to mono. They didn't even bother to fix the splicing to make it believable, you could see the splice visually in audacity. So fucking stupid, they'll get better I imagine.

mostly reader says

I'm looking at my (admittedly not typical) feed and thinking that everyone around must be swamped with those.

Share your feed then. Let us all see.

mostly reader says

If you don't believe them,

I don't see them. Show me. I have eyes, and I want to see.

mowhy would you believe me, someone who you publicly labeled "Habera"?stly reader says

why would you believe me, someone who you publicly labeled "Habera"?

I don't automatically believe anybody. The purpose of public posting is to ask for many people to review. I am fully aware I can be tricked, and I have been tricked, and I will be tricked and fooled in the future. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all the people all of the time. I am not so stupid as to think I can catch every lie or trick - I know I can't, but I know a 1000 people usually can, and 10,000 people almost always can, and 1,000,000 certainly will.

Why do you think this communication device was built? For Netflix? For porn?

This is the greatest Fuck YOU!!! to the establishment ever made and the censorship and amount of propagandists that are suddenly here, is showing just how effective it is - not how strong they are. They are weak, and we will defeat them. They will rise from the ashes of course but we will as well. There's a real war between good and evil apparently. Wasn't aware of it 20 years ago, sure am now.

richwicks says

mostly reader says

why would you believe me, someone who you publicly labeled "Habera"?

I don't automatically believe anybody.

I don't give flying fk of your general auto-believe system. Me, specifically me, you labeled Habera. Actually, make it "fucking Habera" IIRC. With implication that I'm on a propaganda mission. Did you suddenly have a change of heart? Are you suddenly ready to take my word without a doubt?

mostly reader says

I don't give flying fk of your general auto-believe system. Me, specifically me, you labeled Habera.

You are going back to a typo.

I didn't claim you were Hasbera - I said if you're a propagandist, you need to do a lot of work before you even reach the level of Hasbera. I've had to deal with them, and they are a fucking nightmare. You're not.

mostly reader says

Did you suddenly have a change of heart? Are you suddenly ready to take my word without a doubt?

I doubt you. That's why I'm asking for the evidence you claim to have, but are now scrambling for excuses not to produce. I am removing those excuses and when you have no more excuses, I expect you still won't produce them.

So no, no change of heart.

But I could always be wrong. I have misjudged people before. Who hasn't? I'm fallible, I'm MOSTLY human, but I suppose I fall short in many ways.

Patrick says
Kyiv and Kharkiv are being bombed. The largest invasion on our planet since WW2. Republicans are rooting for the Russians. God be with Ukraine and democracy.
— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) February 24, 2022
Finding himself noticed and getting a platform Ca .Dublin Rep .Eric Swalwell has proposed kicking out every Russian student from universities /colleges and sending them back home .It was this type of hysteria that put US Japanese citizens In interment camps during WW2 https://www.kron4.com/russia-ukraine-crisis/rep-eric-swalwell-suggests-kicking-every-russian-student-out-of-u-s-universities/?source=patrick.net

richwicks says

I doubt you. That's why I'm asking for the evidence you claim to have, but are now scrambling for excuses not to produce. I am removing those excuses and when you have no more excuses, I expect you still won't produce them.

Oh fuck. That's exactly, EXACTLY what I meant. Once I produce it, what will be your next step? "Prove that it's Ukraine! Prove that those are Russians! Prove that these are not actors! Prove that it's not Deep Fake!"

Your pattern is predictable, so don't pretend to be interested.

It's good to know that you can figure out server setup though. It means that you can find an honest job.

Kiev at present being bombed. No air raid sirens.

Beginning from the post Cold War ,John Hopkins Professor examine the problems between east and west and brings us to today’s stalemate “ not one inch “ Not One Inch: America, Russia, and the Making of Post-Cold War Stalemate https://www.amazon.com/dp/030025993X/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_CJB842E8ZNKFV5PGEARN?source=patrick.net
It more or less comes down to two sets of pledges. The first was in early 1990, when the West was still trying to get the USSR to agree to German reunification. It was West German foreign minister, Hans-Dietrich Genscher, who gave a number of speeches assuring the Soviets that there will be no NATO troops on East Germany should reunification be allowed. AS he put it in one address, “An extension of NATO’s territory to the east, that is, nearer to the borders of the Soviet Union, will not happen.” The problem was that his boss, Chancellor Helmut Kohl, completely disagreed with this policy and believed that the West should lock in as many gains as it could before the political climate shifted.

By Feb 1990, James Baker was making similar pledges. It was Baker’s pledge that formed the basis for Russian complaints about broken promises to this day. As Baker told Gorbachev during a trip to Moscow, “Would you prefer to see a unified Germany outside of NATO, independent and with no U.S. forces, or would you prefer a unified Germany to be tied to NATO, with assurances that NATO’s jurisdiction would not shift one inch eastward from its present position?” As was the case with Genschler and Kohl, Baker’s boss, George H. W. Bush, didn’t actually agree with this policy. But that statement by Baker was reportedly treated by Soviet leaders as essentially a US pledge not to expand NATO as long as German reunification was allowed. As Sarotte write, “leaders in Moscow would point to this exchange as an agreement barring NATO from expanding beyond its eastern Cold War border. Baker and his aides and supporters, in contrast, would point to the hypothetical phrasing and lack of any written agreement afterward as a sign that the secretary had only been test-driving one potential option of many.”

The second major area of the Russian complaints are centered around the actual 1997 agreement signed by Boris Yeltsin that more or less gives Russia’s blessing on the expansion of NATO. The episode starts off with a night in Warsaw, when Polish President Lech Walesa managed to persuade Yeltsin to issue a joint statement that the prospect of Poland joining NATO was “not contrary to the interest of any state, also including Russia.” It’s the kind of story that’s the perfect example of how pliable Yeltsin truly was at this point in his presidency. Yeltsin faced immediate domestic backlash on the statement and tried to backtrack by referring back to the 1990 Agreement on German Reunification, arguing that the language in that agreement precluded the expansion of NATO eastward. Therefore, under this interpretation of the agreement, Yeltsin couldn’t endorse the idea of a NATO expansion because the West already agreed that could never happen.

Of course, as we’ll see, the Clinton administration had already explored the legal implications of that 1990 German reunification agreement and concluded that there were no such restrictions. The Germany government agreed with this assessment, although the German Foreign Ministry did acknowledge that Russian claims contained a “political and psychological substance we had to take seriously.” In the end, the US pursued the approach of just trying to bribe Russia with money. Yeltsin ended up signing an agreement that condoned NATO’s expansion later that year. Clinton reportedly couldn’t believe how one-sided the deal was in the end.

The overall picture that emerges is one where, technically speaking, the expansion of NATO may have been legal based on the agreements made. But from an ethical standpoint, these were agreements made in bad faith at a time when Russia was effectively forced to negotiate under a state of national duress:

mostly reader says

richwicks says

I doubt you. That's why I'm asking for the evidence you claim to have, but are now scrambling for excuses not to produce. I am removing those excuses and when you have no more excuses, I expect you still won't produce them.

Oh fuck. That's exactly, EXACTLY what I meant. Once I produce it, what will be your next step? "Prove that it's Ukraine! Prove that those are Russians! Prove that these are not actors! Prove that it's not Deep Fake!"

I will simply post it.

Remove the meta-data for the GPS and you can post it.

Since this favors the Ukrainian side, the "US side", you can safely post it to youtube. I'd be interested in the comments it receives. Could take some time before it's picked up though.

What is the point of collecting data, if you don't share it?

richwicks says

I will simply post it.

I am not your entertainment bitch, so I will not post anything "just because you ask me" It won't prove anything to the likes of you, and I don't feel like answering idiotic questions such as "Can you prove that this is not deep fake" or "Why should I believe that it's Ukraine".

However, since you are vocal to the point of annoyance, I have a deal for you. I'll post something for which I'll get permission, and you won't be demanding unrealistic proofs. And you'll shut up. Topics on war in Ukraine don't exist on patrick.net as far as you are concerned. You will not post here, or in any other topic, current or future, which is related to Russian invasion in Ukraine. You'll avoid them like the plague. What do you say?

mostly reader says

richwicks says

I will simply post it.

I am not your entertainment bitch,

Why do you collect atrocities of the Russian war machine and keep them to yourself?

There is nothing at all entertaining about war either.

mostly reader says

However, since you vocal to the point of annoyance, I have a deal for you. I'll post something for which I'll get permission, and you won't be demanding unrealistic proofs.

I'm asking you to do your duty as a human being. If there are humanitarian atrocities being done by a government, it's your duty to expose them.

Julian Assange naively ruined his life expecting people to do something about mafia bullshit though. Be careful, although I doubt the Russians have much of a reach. Be certain to remove the metadata. If they are in a particular apartment or home, be aware of that too. Can't be too careful with the FUCKING SCUM that runs our governments or infests our intelligence agencies.

The way I'm reading you, concept of "duty as a human being" is quite far away from where you stand.

Do we have a deal or not? Yes or no?

mostly reader says

The way I'm reading you, concept of "duty as a human being" is quite far away from where you stand.

Really?

I'm quite open about my absolute detestation of the government, and I use my actual name to do it.

mostly reader says

Do we have a deal or not? Yes or no?

Well, I'm not going to be silenced, you said you wanted me to "shut up" - I can't do that. That's very encompassing.

And I'm not going to stop talking about any topic. That demand is ridiculous. Point out when I'm incorrect, but provide reasoning and evidence I am wrong, so I can change my mind. I will, if I have to conclude I'm wrong, and I've had to do that MANY times. If you give me input that contradicts the gaps (and there are many) in my knowledge, of course I will change my viewpoint. I might do it kicking and screaming, but I will, in time. It's not always easy to have a radical shift in a viewpoint, but this one - I don't think it will be difficult.

I'm not going to give you free reign. You may be more knowledgeable about this subject than I am, I understand that, but that doesn't mean I think you're being truthful about it. I know how propaganda works, the best of it, only omits information and gives you a one sided view. It seems entirely reasonable because there is no misinformation involved so there are no contradictions. For example some: small village in Israel is attacked - how horrible, until you find out Israel was attacking a tent settlement for 3 months with weaponry, dumping sewage on their farmland, and cutting down olive trees and the people doing it all originated from that villiage.

Why are you placing conditions on exposing the atrocities of the Russian government? That's a reasonable question to ask, I think.

I've crippled piece of shit companies by being a whistleblower, it's a lot harder to do that with a criminal syndicate like a government though. People don't seem to care about duplicity or criminality in the government, and people in the government sure as fuck don't. People fear the government. They're pussies.

You want to expose the Russian government? Go ahead, I'll help you. But why are you demanding my silence and subservience? NO government is good. I don't care if the Russian government is evil, I'm more worried my government is evil. I have to deal with that evil.

richwicks says

If there are humanitarian atrocities being done by a government, it's your duty to expose them.

Pushing the dangerous vax is a human atrocity that our government and specifically Biden did. It’s immoral to require people to take a product that may kill them or intensely injure them in a life altering way. And if the government KNOWS that these adverse reactions are quite common and actively HIDES that data to “reduce vaccine hesitancy,” that’s a moral crime on a whole new level of psychopathy. Our government did all of that. As far as I’m concerned, an invasion of a semi-hostile neighbor state (Putin) is several orders of magnitude less evil than vaxxing your own citizens to death.

> richwicks
Predictably, no deal. More BS.
Don't you worry about "exposing Russian government". It's been done and continues to be done. While some numbskulls will continue to state that this is computer graphics, well, they'd do the same regarding the materials that I have. There is nothing for me to gain there. Which is why I offered the deal. Which you rejected, and followed up with more clownery.

mostly reader says

> richwicks
Predictably, no deal. More BS.

All you do is tell people they are wrong, without explaining how they are wrong.

You claim to have solid proof of atrocities being committed by the Russian government, but you won't reveal it.

mostly reader says

Don't you worry about "exposing Russian government". It's been done and continues to be done.

What? By claiming Putin has video evidence of Trump hiring hookers to urinate on a bed?

The propaganda is so fucking laughable, and desperate, and pathetically stupid that anything my government or "news" media claims about Putin is reasonable to reject without even investigating the claim.

We will see in time what happens to Ukraine. If it's like Syria, well, Putin is as much of a monster that our intelligence agencies are - because they are the ones that run our executive branch. Our presidents are just meat puppets of them.

mostly reader says

While some numbskulls will continue to state that this is computer graphics, well, they'd do the same regarding the materials that I have.

It takes time to construct CGI, reality can be recorded instantly. The longer there is a wait to expose it, the less credible it is. That is the world we live in. And it's not just CGI either, the Donbass region has been (supposedly) shelled for years - what are we seeing with a still picture of a burned out car or a gutted building?

The WHOLE reason to have everybody armed with a camera, is exposure. When I was a kid, a video camera was a fake toy for pretend. Today, the same exact toy is superior to a video camera in 2000, and costs just as much as that toy and it actually works. It's really an odd time we live in.

mostly reader says

There is nothing for me to gain there. Which is why I offered the deal. Which you rejected, and followed up with more clownery.

I don't understand why you insist on a "deal".

Fuck the establishment, expose them, and when enough people recognize what fucking garbage we've naively allowed to attain power - remove them.

I was the most ardent absolute atheist you'd ever meet at one point. I HATED religion and would happily demolish a religious person at one point and I was good at it. But there's a real war between good and evil, a lot of people can see this now. What side are you on?

Even if I am certain to lose, I know what side I'm on, and I don't think we'll lose.

The Great Awakening was something that Zbigniew Brzezinski is SAID to have worried about. Basically, if the common people found out what a bunch of fucking garbage our criminal establishment was, they'd all be dead. He worried about that. We've gone through a very tumultuous time in the last 3 decades of technological development, the Internet is FAR more powerful than the Gutenburg press was, and we can record everything now. I'm hoping we're starting to see the start of the death throws of a clearly corrupt and evil establishment.

And if you don't want to help, get out of the way. YOU shut up or not, it's doesn't matter. We've had to deal with disinformation and propagandists for decades - we know they won't go away, but we can design around them. It's like mold doesn't go away, or disease. You can wish it didn't exist, but criminality always will, we just keep making better systems to contain the rot.

richwicks says

I don't understand why you insist on a "deal".

Of course you "don't understand". Or pretend to "not understand". Do you need me to spell it out for you again, but type slower this time?

mostly reader says

richwicks says

I don't understand why you insist on a "deal".

Of course you "don't understand". Or pretend to "not understand". Do you need me to spell it out for you again, but type slower this time?

Sure go ahead - and type it out slower and spell out out for me.

Explain why you are hiding undeniable evidence of the Russians committing atrocities. Why protect them?