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Undoctored
2022 Dec 23, 11:35pm
Undoctored
2022 Dec 23, 11:35pm
I don’t get this “no amnesty” refrain. I think we should encourage the wrongdoers to admit their guilt and apologize. They will only double down if they think they have no shot at redemption. Also if they admit their guilt the narrative will collapse and we will have a better chance of cementing the safeguards so that medical fascism cannot raise its ugly head again.
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AmericanKulak
2022 Dec 24, 12:27am
AmericanKulak
2022 Dec 24, 12:27am
Undoctored says
Truth and Reconcilliation Commission.
Under Oath, Must Testify, get the ringleaders, suspend and fine many. There has to be SOME serious punishment at least for the worst or it WILL happen again. And everybody involved should get a wristslap or a bit of humiliation and humble pie, even if it's a public apology that is filed officially and a brief suspension.
I don’t get this “no amnesty” refrain. I think we should encourage the wrongdoers to admit their guilt and apologize. They will only double down if they think they have no shot at redemption. Also if they admit their guilt the narrative will collapse and we will have a better chance of cementing the safeguards so that medical fascism cannot raise its ugly head again.
Truth and Reconcilliation Commission.
Under Oath, Must Testify, get the ringleaders, suspend and fine many. There has to be SOME serious punishment at least for the worst or it WILL happen again. And everybody involved should get a wristslap or a bit of humiliation and humble pie, even if it's a public apology that is filed officially and a brief suspension.
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GNL
2022 Dec 24, 6:57am
GNL
2022 Dec 24, 6:57am
1. The top 20 worst offenders should face the firing squad.
2. The AMA should be disbanded.
3. The US should delink from all international health organizations.
2. The AMA should be disbanded.
3. The US should delink from all international health organizations.
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Patrick
2022 Dec 24, 10:23am
Patrick
2022 Dec 24, 10:23am
AmericanKulak says
Absolutely.
Those who forced the poison on the public through threat of job loss or expulsion from the school or the military, killing many, should face the firing squad or hanging.
There has to be SOME serious punishment at least for the worst or it WILL happen again.
Absolutely.
Those who forced the poison on the public through threat of job loss or expulsion from the school or the military, killing many, should face the firing squad or hanging.
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Patrick
2022 Dec 24, 3:11pm
Patrick
2022 Dec 24, 3:11pm
Patrick says
https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/tim-robbins-russell-brand-covid-media-politics/
@Undoctored If a death camp guard can convince the other guards to turn against the illegitimate authority which is killing people, then he can redeem himself.
But it's a moral hole which takes real work and personal risk to climb out of. It's not free. "Amnesty" implies telling people that it's fine that they participated in the worst crime in human history, and that they don't need to do anything to redeem themselves.
Would you grant the Treblinka camp guards amnesty?
https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/tim-robbins-russell-brand-covid-media-politics/
“We became aware of the idea that the vaccinated could spread [the virus] and catch it like the unvaccinated … to continue the policy of lockdowns or mandates after that didn’t seem to be following the science. It was following a political agenda. That’s where I really started to have problems with it,” Robbins said to Brand, who has been tracking pandemic misinformation for months on his YouTube and Rumble accounts.
Robbins, his inner liberal starting to emerge, noticed other “Orwellian” signs tied to the pandemic. He saw official bodies changing the meaning of established words like “vaccine” and denying, against the scientific consensus that natural immunity mattered.
“The fact that there were these changes of definitions … my alarm bells went off. I wondered, what is going on?” he asked. “In the past natural immunity was one of the building blocks to moving forward,” he said, questioning why the scientific community, including Dr. Anthony Fauci, dismissed it.
@Undoctored If a death camp guard can convince the other guards to turn against the illegitimate authority which is killing people, then he can redeem himself.
But it's a moral hole which takes real work and personal risk to climb out of. It's not free. "Amnesty" implies telling people that it's fine that they participated in the worst crime in human history, and that they don't need to do anything to redeem themselves.
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richwicks
2022 Dec 24, 4:28pm
richwicks
2022 Dec 24, 4:28pm
Patrick says
There were no death camps. They were slave labor camps. No camps were built simply to exterminate people. This is propaganda that survives from WWII which was propagated by the Allies.
In every war, the enemy is dehumanized, made to be a monster. This is precisely what this was.
Slave labor camps weren't fun, and plenty of people died, and the useless were eliminated, but these were factories staffed by slaves. I wonder what the Japanese did in the internment camps in the United States? Did they just sit around doing nothing? I read Japanese teachers still taught school, but what did the parents do?
Undoctored If a death camp guard can convince the other guards to turn against the illegitimate authority which is killing people, then he can redeem himself.
There were no death camps. They were slave labor camps. No camps were built simply to exterminate people. This is propaganda that survives from WWII which was propagated by the Allies.
In every war, the enemy is dehumanized, made to be a monster. This is precisely what this was.
Slave labor camps weren't fun, and plenty of people died, and the useless were eliminated, but these were factories staffed by slaves. I wonder what the Japanese did in the internment camps in the United States? Did they just sit around doing nothing? I read Japanese teachers still taught school, but what did the parents do?
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Patrick
2022 Dec 24, 4:37pm
Lol, this was a year ago now and still hasn't happened to the unvaxxed.
The vaxxed, however, are worse off than ever, dropping dead all over, and dying from the virus.
Patrick
2022 Dec 24, 4:37pm
Lol, this was a year ago now and still hasn't happened to the unvaxxed.
The vaxxed, however, are worse off than ever, dropping dead all over, and dying from the virus.
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Undoctored
2022 Dec 24, 5:39pm
Undoctored
2022 Dec 24, 5:39pm
Patrick says
I don’t think the lowly guards were breaking the prevailing law. Also it’s likely they were conscripted and would be punished if they didn’t do their job. It’s the decision makers who need to be prosecuted in such cases.
Would you grant the Treblinka camp guards amnesty?
I don’t think the lowly guards were breaking the prevailing law. Also it’s likely they were conscripted and would be punished if they didn’t do their job. It’s the decision makers who need to be prosecuted in such cases.
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Patrick
2022 Dec 24, 5:48pm
Patrick
2022 Dec 24, 5:48pm
They knew what was going on. Whether it was breaking the prevailing law or not is not as important as the fact that they knew that people went in but did not come out.
Yes, decision makers like pfraudulent Pfauci are the primary criminals, but that does not absolve the collaborators.
Yes, decision makers like pfraudulent Pfauci are the primary criminals, but that does not absolve the collaborators.
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richwicks
2022 Dec 24, 5:51pm
richwicks
2022 Dec 24, 5:51pm
Patrick says
Patrick. Do you really believe people are this stupid, or do you really believe they are this immoral? It seems to be two options, are there more?
Again, there were no death camps, no extermination camps, but there WERE slave labor camps.
It's more complicated than you realize and everybody is propagandized and nobody is immune from it.
They knew what was going on. Whether it was breaking the prevailing law or not is not as important as the fact that they knew that people went in but did not come out.
Patrick. Do you really believe people are this stupid, or do you really believe they are this immoral? It seems to be two options, are there more?
Again, there were no death camps, no extermination camps, but there WERE slave labor camps.
It's more complicated than you realize and everybody is propagandized and nobody is immune from it.
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AmericanKulak
2022 Dec 24, 6:32pm
AmericanKulak
2022 Dec 24, 6:32pm
There were death camps. Those too sick or old to work were gassed. The cremation ovens were ordered and custom built by Topf und Sohne.
https://www.thehistoryreader.com/military-history/the-family-behind-the-holocaust-nazi-cremation-ovens/
They were originally installed to deal with Soviet POWs which the SS estimated in 1941 would soon die at about 1000 per day; they were already dying by the hundreds per day. This was in 1941, long before any "resource shortage" BS excuse. Note that the Hungarians kept their laborers fed with their national resources at hand than the Reich which controlled half of Europe as late as mid 1944. Hitler invaded Axis Hungary because Admiral Hrothy refused to turn over his laborers to German camps.
Zylon B or no, a labor camp with such a death rate is a death camp.
The Japanese had high rates of death in their forced labor camps for Chinese and Allied POWs.
The medical experiments on prisoners are exceedingly well documented with photos and medical procedure records with witness testimony as well. Clauberg was exceptionally interested, on orders from Himmler, on how to mass sterilize a population. This was needed for Slavs so there could be Lebensraum in the East. So they experimented with all kinds of methods on how to sterilize with various toxins and injections, avoiding the need for surgery. Victims that got sepsis were then given a deadly dose of phenol so Clauberg and his team could evaluate the process by autospy.
The real missing context of the Holocaust is that the Jews, Polish Priests, Gypsies, and Eastern Front POWs mostly served as both slave labor but more importantly, as a blueprint on how to deal with the remaining hundred million Slavs after the defeat of the Soviets.
https://www.thehistoryreader.com/military-history/the-family-behind-the-holocaust-nazi-cremation-ovens/
They were originally installed to deal with Soviet POWs which the SS estimated in 1941 would soon die at about 1000 per day; they were already dying by the hundreds per day. This was in 1941, long before any "resource shortage" BS excuse. Note that the Hungarians kept their laborers fed with their national resources at hand than the Reich which controlled half of Europe as late as mid 1944. Hitler invaded Axis Hungary because Admiral Hrothy refused to turn over his laborers to German camps.
Zylon B or no, a labor camp with such a death rate is a death camp.
The Japanese had high rates of death in their forced labor camps for Chinese and Allied POWs.
The medical experiments on prisoners are exceedingly well documented with photos and medical procedure records with witness testimony as well. Clauberg was exceptionally interested, on orders from Himmler, on how to mass sterilize a population. This was needed for Slavs so there could be Lebensraum in the East. So they experimented with all kinds of methods on how to sterilize with various toxins and injections, avoiding the need for surgery. Victims that got sepsis were then given a deadly dose of phenol so Clauberg and his team could evaluate the process by autospy.
The real missing context of the Holocaust is that the Jews, Polish Priests, Gypsies, and Eastern Front POWs mostly served as both slave labor but more importantly, as a blueprint on how to deal with the remaining hundred million Slavs after the defeat of the Soviets.
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AmericanKulak
2022 Dec 24, 6:41pm
AmericanKulak
2022 Dec 24, 6:41pm
I should also mention, that without a single Bagel being toasted, the Nazis are already committing war crimes with their extermination of Polish Professors, Small Town Mayors, Clerics (1000 alone in Poland, almost entirely Catholic), retired Officers, noted Patriots, etc. as well the Mentally Ill. They also banned all formal education past Elementary School in Poland, underground schools called "Tajne Nauczanie" were formed by parents to homeschool/tutor them. Slave Slav Untermenschen don't need to do more than count and read basic signage.
More information of Nazi atrocities and their plans for their new planted colonies - and how to make room for them - can be found in this excellent piece:
https://web.archive.org/web/20110409034704/http://www.dac.neu.edu/holocaust/Hitlers_Plans.htm
Interestingly, Germanization of some Slavs was planned. In Ukraine, ONLY the 1/3 was slated for potential Germanization based on physical characteristics, with the other 2/3 to be liquidated. About half of all Czechs were considered potential for Aryanization.
Also, one major Nazi concern that was expelling too many Poles east of the Urals into Siberia might result in a future Polish State that could give them trouble, so they were interested in reducing the Polish population by at least 20%.
More information of Nazi atrocities and their plans for their new planted colonies - and how to make room for them - can be found in this excellent piece:
https://web.archive.org/web/20110409034704/http://www.dac.neu.edu/holocaust/Hitlers_Plans.htm
Interestingly, Germanization of some Slavs was planned. In Ukraine, ONLY the 1/3 was slated for potential Germanization based on physical characteristics, with the other 2/3 to be liquidated. About half of all Czechs were considered potential for Aryanization.
Also, one major Nazi concern that was expelling too many Poles east of the Urals into Siberia might result in a future Polish State that could give them trouble, so they were interested in reducing the Polish population by at least 20%.
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Patrick
2022 Dec 24, 8:01pm
Patrick
2022 Dec 24, 8:01pm
I'm pretty sure that some of the camps in the east were used specifically to kill large numbers of people.
AmericanKulak says
Right, one of my relatives was a Polish Catholic mayor of a small town, as I've mentioned before. He was sent to Dachau, not a death camp per se, but it killed him.
AmericanKulak says
Small Town Mayors, Clerics (1000 alone in Poland, almost entirely Catholic)
Right, one of my relatives was a Polish Catholic mayor of a small town, as I've mentioned before. He was sent to Dachau, not a death camp per se, but it killed him.
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Undoctored
2022 Dec 24, 8:02pm
Undoctored
2022 Dec 24, 8:02pm
Thoughts on the term amnesty and its applicability.
Etymologically, it means “no memory,“ related to the word amnesia.
So in that sense I agree we shouldn’t forget the wrong that was done. Perhaps we should have an annual observance where we remember those who died suddenly, pray for true repentance from those who made others get themselves poisoned, pledge to never allow anyone, no matter how well intentioned, to force or coerce others to take any substance into their body.
Now legally amnesty means someone in high power grants a certain class of lawbreakers immunity from prosecution.
But in the present case many of the wrongdoers were not breaking any law. Take Leanna Wen for example. What did she do? She was a CNN talking head who gave bad advice and incorrect statements about what was guaranteed by the constitution. Is it against the law to tell untruths or give bad advice on TV? Like it or not, no!
Etymologically, it means “no memory,“ related to the word amnesia.
So in that sense I agree we shouldn’t forget the wrong that was done. Perhaps we should have an annual observance where we remember those who died suddenly, pray for true repentance from those who made others get themselves poisoned, pledge to never allow anyone, no matter how well intentioned, to force or coerce others to take any substance into their body.
Now legally amnesty means someone in high power grants a certain class of lawbreakers immunity from prosecution.
But in the present case many of the wrongdoers were not breaking any law. Take Leanna Wen for example. What did she do? She was a CNN talking head who gave bad advice and incorrect statements about what was guaranteed by the constitution. Is it against the law to tell untruths or give bad advice on TV? Like it or not, no!
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Patrick
2022 Dec 24, 8:17pm
Patrick
2022 Dec 24, 8:17pm
Law and morality are different things.
Even if it turns out that people imposing mandates at threat of firings, expulsions, and exclusion from society were not breaking any laws, it's still an absolutely horrible crime against humanity. "Inject this brand new genetic slop or be blamed, ridiculed, ostracized, and impoverished."
Even if it turns out that people imposing mandates at threat of firings, expulsions, and exclusion from society were not breaking any laws, it's still an absolutely horrible crime against humanity. "Inject this brand new genetic slop or be blamed, ridiculed, ostracized, and impoverished."
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Patrick
2022 Dec 24, 8:30pm
Patrick
2022 Dec 24, 8:30pm
richwicks says
@richwicks I think there were, but more importantly I also think anyone should be able to present evidence that there were not.
there were no death camps
@richwicks I think there were, but more importantly I also think anyone should be able to present evidence that there were not.
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Patrick
2022 Dec 24, 8:40pm
Patrick
2022 Dec 24, 8:40pm
AmericanKulak says
Can confirm this as well. Polish relatives told me that the day the Nazis came into Tuliszkow, my grandmother's village, they shot a relative who was retarded and in a wheelchair.
as well the Mentally Ill
Can confirm this as well. Polish relatives told me that the day the Nazis came into Tuliszkow, my grandmother's village, they shot a relative who was retarded and in a wheelchair.
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AmericanKulak
2022 Dec 26, 1:58am
AmericanKulak
2022 Dec 26, 1:58am
Patrick says
Aktion T4. They were more subtle with Germanic persons.
It's uncanny how Orwell understood human nature. "Retirement home" = "Glue Factory".
Can confirm this as well. Polish relatives told me that the day the Nazis came into Tuliszkow, my grandmother's village, they shot a relative who was retarded and in a wheelchair.
Aktion T4. They were more subtle with Germanic persons.
It's uncanny how Orwell understood human nature. "Retirement home" = "Glue Factory".
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Patrick
2022 Dec 29, 8:04am
Patrick
2022 Dec 29, 8:04am
https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1589485984361873408?ref_src=patrick.net
Wittgenstein
@backtolife_2023
Reminder - November 2020: Melbourne security guard chokes a teenager unconscious and carries him out for not wearing a face mask.
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richwicks
2022 Dec 30, 1:48pm
richwicks
2022 Dec 30, 1:48pm
GNL says
If it's local to Patrick, it's in Commiefornia in the bay area between San Jose and San Francisco.
Patrick says
The insanity continues. This is at a local restaurant.
This is in Seattle or Cali?
If it's local to Patrick, it's in Commiefornia in the bay area between San Jose and San Francisco.
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Patrick
2023 Jan 18, 11:06am
Patrick
2023 Jan 18, 11:06am
https://twitter.com/aginnt/status/1615579400489295872?ref_src=patrick.net
Aaron Ginn
@aginnt
Remember when the world arrested people for walking on the beach by themselves.
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richwicks
2023 Jan 18, 8:24pm
richwicks
2023 Jan 18, 8:24pm
Patrick says
Elon Musk is a offence contractor. Don't forget that.
He's limited in what he's allowed to say.
Funny, isn't it? The higher up you are in wealth and power the more constraints you're actually under.
Elon fucked up then.
Elon Musk is a offence contractor. Don't forget that.
He's limited in what he's allowed to say.
Funny, isn't it? The higher up you are in wealth and power the more constraints you're actually under.
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Patrick
2023 Jan 18, 9:06pm
Patrick
2023 Jan 18, 9:06pm
richwicks says
You have more to lose.
The higher up you are in wealth and power the more constraints you're actually under.
You have more to lose.
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And now they want "amnesty".