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Sanctions Impact in Russia


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2022 Mar 4, 11:05pm   68,430 views  426 comments

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Pay $1.81/gallon for gas
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/Russia/gasoline_prices/?source=patrick.net

Gas in Russia is cheaper than Gas in Qatar or Bahrain or Saudi Arabia.

Unable to buy $30/lb luxury Italian Cheese, $30/bottle midrange French Wines, expensive German Audio Equipment... what will the Russians do with themselves?

Eat local cheese, drink local beer, and buy the same audio equipment from China that's on Amazon USA

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22   Bitcoin   2022 Mar 6, 10:08pm  

NuttBoxer says
What about boycotting Russian wheat?


Sure! Everything Russian needs to be boycotted.

No to the other questions. I have no issues with the French, the canadians or the chinese. Chase bank or any other institution investing in Russia should be fined. heavily.
23   Patrick   2022 Mar 6, 10:33pm  

Save_Ukraine says
Dont care if we have $10 dollar per gallon.


That would kill literally millions of US jobs.
24   Ceffer   2022 Mar 6, 10:45pm  

Whether or not Putin is saving Ukraine, he is not saving and sponsoring the criminals in Ukraine as is our own government. By default, he is helping us against the Globalist criminals intent on destroying our own country and our middle class.

You can tell now when the hurricane winds of the captive MSM turn knee jerk in unison in a particular direction onto a target, that as a people we need the opposite.
25   Eman   2022 Mar 6, 10:49pm  

gabbar says
Save_Ukraine says
Russia's economy will be set back 30 years if not more :) The world unites against the aggressor.....cant wait to see the Russian bankruptcies pile up.


American puppet, Ukraine wanted this war. Russia will survive and in time thrive. Ukrainians won't have a country. Most countries (outside of NATO) are either neutral or backing Putin and looking forward to better days. Taiwan is next.


WTF are you smoking? Ukraine wanted this war? Russia will NEVER thrive. This country is a POS. Nobody wants to invade it or live there except the locals.
26   RWSGFY   2022 Mar 7, 7:40am  

(Reuters) -In bright sunshine, a long queue of shoppers snaked outside an IKEA store near Moscow late last week. Similar scenes were repeated across Russia as families rushed to spend their fast-depreciating roubles at the Swedish retailer which is exiting the crisis-hit country.

Russians are bracing for an uncertain future of spiraling inflation, economic hardship and an even sharper squeeze on imported goods.
The rouble lost around a third of its value last week, after unprecedented Western sanctions were imposed to punish Russia for invading Ukraine. The moves froze much of the central bank’s $640 billion in reserves and barred several banks from global payments system SWIFT, leaving the rouble in free-fall.
...

While there is no palpable sign of panic, the wipe-out of rouble savings and the doubling of interest rates to 20% will squeeze mortgage holders and consumers.

Financial conditions -- reflecting availability of credit in the economy -- have tightened brutally this year, which Oxford Economics predicted would shrink domestic demand by 11% by year end and raise unemployment by 1.9 percentage points in 2023.
Zach Witlin, an analyst at Eurasia Group, notes sanctions are already hitting consumers via prices hikes and digital payments disruptions.
While consumers are not directly targeted, “fear and caution are exaggerating the impact,” with the exit of foreign brands such as IKEA creating a “snowball effect,” he added.
IMPORTS TO ISOLATION
Cars, machinery and car parts comprised nearly half of Russia’s $293 billion imports last year, according to the Federal Customs Service.

While only a few Russian companies are targeted by sanctions “all of them will feel the chilling effect,” said Matt Townsend, sanctions partner at law firm Allen & Overy. “This is why sanctions are a very effective measure to isolate a country.”

The immediate economic shock will cause a 35% GDP contraction in the second quarter and a 7% decline in 2022, JPMorgan predicted. But “growing political and economic isolation will curtail Russia’s growth potential in years to come,” it added.
That may come about if restrictions “limit the acquisition of technology needed to support Russia’s highest value industries,” RBC Global Asset Management warned.
The Biden administration is preparing rules to curb Moscow’s ability to import smartphones, aircraft parts and auto components.
But multinationals, from tech firms Apple and Microsoft to consumer goods producers Nike and Diageo, have severed links with Russia, meaning shoppers will have limited access to the consumer goods they have grown accustomed to over three decades.
Chinese companies, so far staying put, could grab some market share but they too could fall prey to secondary sanctions as many of their products such as smartphones use U.S. origin technology.
Some Russians are not staying to find out. Lidia, a freelance worker from Rostov said the money transfer curbs were complicating receiving payments from abroad.
“The sanctions have hit me very hard. Prices are already up around 20%...It’s a fact that you already can’t buy some medicines. Things will get worse,” she said.
“Today my family and I are leaving Russia.”

27   RWSGFY   2022 Mar 7, 7:42am  

My employer has exited Russia last Thursday. Sales office, development team, datacenter - all gone.
28   BoomAndBustCycle   2022 Mar 7, 8:51am  

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
gabbar says
Bd6r says
Fortwaynemobile says
It’s $6 a gallon here now

about 3.30 around here


If gas goes to $6/gallon, people will cut down on driving.


It’s already there in California and public transportation in Los Angeles isn’t a viable option so we shall see.
gabbar says
If gas goes to $6/gallon, people will cut down on driving.


Already cut out driving … I work from home and door dash and instacart often. Still need to drive kid to school and sports… but that’s why I have a hybrid with a big enough electric battery to use hardly any gas. Filling up my 6 gallon tank every few months isn’t really a high expense I stress over.
30   Eric Holder   2022 Mar 7, 10:36am  

AmericanKulak says


One of the posters here was VERY concerned about rising food prices. Until it was pointed to him that Ukraine is one of the top exporters of aggro stuff in the world and fighting in the wheat field is not really conducive to good crop. The concern has immediately evaporated.

I guess eradication of imaginary Nazis is worth the price.
31   Eric Holder   2022 Mar 8, 10:26am  

Shell to Stop All Purchases of Russian Crude Oil


By Joe Woelfel
Updated March 8, 2022 9:51 am ET / Original March 8, 2022 5:49 am ET


Shell said Tuesday it will stop all spot purchases of Russian crude oil, and also plans to shut its service stations, aviation fuels, and lubricants operations in Russia.

“We are acutely aware that our decision last week to purchase a cargo of Russian crude oil to be refined into products like petrol and diesel—despite being made with security of supplies at the forefront of our thinking—was not the right one and we are sorry.”

The oil giant reiterated that it would “commit profits from the limited, remaining amounts of Russian oil we will process to a dedicated fund.”

Shell (ticker: SHEL) said it intends to withdraw from its “involvement in all Russian hydrocarbons, including crude oil, petroleum products, gas and liquefied natural gas in a phased manner, aligned with new government guidance.”

The company also said it was changing its crude oil supply chain to remove Russian volumes. “We will do this as fast as possible, but the physical location and availability of alternatives mean this could take weeks to complete and will lead to reduced throughput at some of our refineries.”

Shell said last week it would end partnerships with Gazprom, the state-controlled energy company, and end its involvement in the Nord Stream 2 pipeline project.

American depositary receipts of Shell were rising 3.4% Tuesday to $53.30.
32   Eric Holder   2022 Mar 8, 10:31am  

Russian Tech Giant Yandex Says Might Default


By AFP
March 4, 2022

Russian tech giant Yandex warned Thursday it may default on its debt after it was suspended from trading on New York's digital stock exchange.

Nasdaq and the New York Stock Exchange this week halted all listings of Russian companies until they explain how they will be impacted by sanctions imposed by the U.S. and its allies in the wake of Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.

In a press release published Thursday, Yandex, which is legally headquartered in the Netherlands but has its main offices in Russia, said that it was not targeted by the sanctions.

"There are currently no regulatory restrictions on the ability of U.S., U.K. or EU persons to acquire and trade in Yandex's securities," it added.

Nonetheless, the company, often called the "Russian Google" for its size and breadth of services, said that if it is suspended for more than five trading days, owners of certain bonds will legally be able to redeem their debt with interest.

"The Yandex group as a whole does not currently have sufficient resources to redeem the notes in full," the company said.

Even if the company was able to secure financing to pay them in full, Yandex said such a large expenditure would "have a material adverse effect on our short-term financial position and liquidity and may affect our ability to meet our other obligations."

The company added that it was exploring what financing options were available to it.

Nasdaq, in a response to an AFP inquiry, said that the Yandex listing "remains halted."

In 2021, Yandex earned about 356 billion rubles — about $4.77 billion at the December exchange rate.

The company's search engine, which launched in 1997, is the largest of its kind in Russia, representing over 60% of the country's internet searches in the last quarter of 2021, according to the company.

The group has diversified its products in recent years and now offers a ride hailing and grocery delivery service.
33   Bitcoin   2022 Mar 8, 10:33am  

Eric Holder says
Russian tech giant Yandex warned Thursday it may default on its debt


Beautiful. And just the beginning. The Russian economy is done :)

Biden just announced to stop energy imports from Russia. EU will have to do the same.
34   AmericanKulak   2022 Mar 8, 10:41am  

Eric Holder says
One of the posters here was VERY concerned about rising food prices. Until it was pointed to him that Ukraine is one of the top exporters of aggro stuff in the world and fighting in the wheat field is not really conducive to good crop. The concern has immediately evaporated.


Mariupol is under siege and it looks like Odessa is next. I imagine every truck in Ukraine is supporting the war effort, and their gas won't be cheap.
35   Eric Holder   2022 Mar 8, 12:23pm  

AmericanKulak says
Eric Holder says
One of the posters here was VERY concerned about rising food prices. Until it was pointed to him that Ukraine is one of the top exporters of aggro stuff in the world and fighting in the wheat field is not really conducive to good crop. The concern has immediately evaporated.


Mariupol is under siege and it looks like Odessa is next. I imagine every truck in Ukraine is supporting the war effort, and their gas won't be cheap.


This year's agro season there is F.U.C.K.E.D. Thank you, Mr. Putler!

The biggest impact would be on the Middle East where most of the wheat exports were going.
37   Patrick   2022 Mar 8, 12:37pm  

Ceffer says
You can tell now when the hurricane winds of the captive MSM turn knee jerk in unison in a particular direction onto a target, that as a people we need the opposite.



All our recent experience confirms that this is true.

This is what makes me very skeptical of all the hate for Russia.
40   RWSGFY   2022 Mar 9, 7:54am  

KUTA, Indonesia (Reuters) - When Russian tourist Konstantin Ivanov tried to draw money from his home bank account at a cash machine on the Indonesian resort island of Bali, the transaction was blocked.

Unprecedented sanctions against Russia’s banks over its invasion of Ukraine are taking a toll on its citizens overseas, who have been left scrambling to find cash or turn to crypto transactions to get by.
“This has created a huge problem for us. We have been left completely stripped of our finances - its like they have been completely frozen and we cannot use them at all over here,” said Ivanov, 27, adding that he might have to look for a job in Indonesia.
The Russian embassy in the capital Jakarta did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Bali is a popular holiday destination with Russian tourists, who flocked to the island by the tens of thousands before the pandemic and were among the first to return when borders partially reopened last year.
About 1,150 Russians entered Indonesia in January 2022, according to data from the statistics bureau.
Rifki Saldi Yanto, the manager of a local cafe, said he had noticed a decline in Russian customers in recent days and many now pay with cash instead of credit card.
Meanwhile more than 7,000 Russians were stranded in Thailand, another popular beach destination because of flight cancellations, a rouble currency in free-fall and payment issues.
41   RWSGFY   2022 Mar 9, 11:38am  

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Russia and Belarus are edging close to default given the massive sanctions imposed against their economies by the United States and its allies over the war in Ukraine, the World Bank’s chief economist, Carmen Reinhart, told Reuters.
The specter of Russia defaulting on $40 billion of external bonds - its first major such default since the years following the 1917 Bolshevik revolution - has loomed large over markets since a raft of sanctions and countermeasures by Moscow have largely cut the country out of global financial markets.
“Both Russia and Belarus are in square default territory,” Reinhart said in an interview. “They’re not rated by the agencies as a selective default yet, but mighty close.”
Fitch on Tuesday downgraded Russia’s sovereign rating by six notches further into junk territory to “C” from “B,” saying a default is imminent as sanctions and trade restrictions have undermined its willingness to service debt.
Reinhart said financial sector repercussions had been limited thus far, but risks could emerge if European financial institutions were more exposed to Russian debt than assumed.
Around half of Russia’s sovereign hard-currency bonds are held by foreign investors and Moscow must make $107 million in coupon payments on two bonds on March 16. Russian corporates have just under $100 billion in international bonds outstanding.
Foreign banks have exposure of just over $121 billion to Russia with much of that concentrated in European lenders, according to data from the Bank of International Settlements
42   AmericanKulak   2022 Mar 9, 11:44am  

RWSGFY says
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Russia and Belarus are edging close to default given the massive sanctions imposed against their economies by the United States and its allies over the war in Ukraine, the World Bank’s chief economist, Carmen Reinhart, told Reuters.


Too bad China and India DGAF and aren't participating, Germany and the EU are buying Russian Oil and Gas, and SWIFT payments are still functional for Sberbank.

RWSGFY says
Around half of Russia’s sovereign hard-currency bonds are held by foreign investors and Moscow must make $107 million in coupon payments on two bonds on March 16. Russian corporates have just under $100 billion in international bonds outstanding.


China announced they will take Russian debt payments in RMB. Along with goods orders.

Russian banks are joining China's UnionPay System and are already replacing debit/credit cards with that logo.

Thanks to Outsourcing, Walmart, and Amazon.
43   Eric Holder   2022 Mar 9, 3:30pm  

March 9 (Reuters) - The United Arab Emirates (UAE) favors an oil production increase and will be encouraging OPEC to consider higher output, the UAE's ambassador to Washington said on Wednesday.

"We favor production increases and will be encouraging OPEC to consider higher production levels," Ambassador Yousuf Al Otaiba said in a statement tweeted by the UAE Embassy in Washington.

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken also said on Wednesday that the UAE was giving support for increased oil production.
44   Eric Holder   2022 Mar 9, 3:30pm  

AmericanKulak says
RWSGFY says
Around half of Russia’s sovereign hard-currency bonds are held by foreign investors and Moscow must make $107 million in coupon payments on two bonds on March 16. Russian corporates have just under $100 billion in international bonds outstanding.


China announced they will take Russian debt payments in RMB. Along with goods orders.

Russian banks are joining China's UnionPay System and are already replacing debit/credit cards with that logo.

Thanks to Outsourcing, Walmart, and Amazon.


Good. Let's hope the whole covfefe usher the long-overdue decoupling from that Commie shithole.
45   Eric Holder   2022 Mar 9, 3:32pm  

AmericanKulak says
RWSGFY says
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Russia and Belarus are edging close to default given the massive sanctions imposed against their economies by the United States and its allies over the war in Ukraine, the World Bank’s chief economist, Carmen Reinhart, told Reuters.


Too bad China and India DGAF and aren't participating, Germany and the EU are buying Russian Oil and Gas, and SWIFT payments are still functional for Sberbank.


Yes, too bad. But the night is young.
46   AmericanKulak   2022 Mar 9, 3:35pm  

Eric Holder says
Yes, too bad. But the night is young.


Nah, it's over, nobody's following Biden.

And Xiden will never try to strongarm China, all his family corruption is documented by China who participated in it. And on many Dem and Rep Senators too, including and especially McConnell and Pelosi.

This is pathetic:

original link

Xiden and the Obama Crew are actually considering removing Sanctions on a real Socialist Dictatorship.
48   Bitcoin   2022 Mar 10, 10:55am  

Eric Holder says
Bank run in Moscow:


Nice! bye bye Russian economy!
49   RWSGFY   2022 Mar 11, 7:59am  

Russia says China refuses to supply aircraft parts after sanctions


March 10 (Reuters) - China has refused to supply Russian airlines with aircraft parts, an official at Russia's aviation authority was quoted by Russian news agencies as saying on Thursday, after Boeing (BA.N) and Airbus (AIR.PA) halted supply of components.

Russia's aviation sector is being squeezed by Western sanctions over the invasion of Ukraine, with Russia's foreign ministry warning this week that the safety of Russian passenger flights was under threat



https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/russia-says-china-refuses-supply-aircraft-parts-after-sanctions-2022-03-10/?source=patrick.net
50   RWSGFY   2022 Mar 11, 8:02am  

President Biden is expected to announce Friday that the U.S., European Union and G7 countries are moving to revoke Russia's "most favored nation" trade status over its invasion of Ukraine.

Bipartisan lawmakers have been calling on him to revoke the status, known as "permanent normal trade relations," with Russia. The favored status means that nations cannot discriminate in their treatment of their trading partners. The removal of the status means the U.S. and allies will be able to impose tariffs on Russian imports.
Within the past few days, companies such as Starbucks, McDonald's, Hilton Worldwide Hotels, Coca-Cola and PepsiCo. have announced changes to their operations in Russia, decisions the White House says have been made by the companies, independent of the U.S. government.
51   gabbar   2022 Mar 11, 8:55am  

I hope that the sanctions don't impact Russia too much. The world needs a counterbalance.
52   Bitcoin   2022 Mar 11, 9:25am  

gabbar says
I hope that the sanctions don't impact Russia too much. The world needs a counterbalance.


@gabbar
How would you feel about this plan: The US could utilize their best special forces to deploy a covert team into Moscow. Similar to what we did with other terrorist in previous years.
That special force team would take out Putin, some of the generals and maybe some oligarchs.

We would then plant US trained leaders in Moscow so that Moscow becomes controllable for the US. The way i think about this is Russia could become a special exporter of goods to the US at special conditions (reduced pricing) as a pay-back for the US efforts.
53   Patrick   2022 Mar 11, 1:07pm  

gabbar says
The world needs a counterbalance.



I agree. The world needs to be multi-polar, and it currently is not. It's GloboCap all the way down.

The reason for the furious and unremitting corporate propaganda against Russia is that they are asserting independence from GloboCap, which is based in NY and London. Not that Russia is a bastion of human rights, but they are at least true resistance to GloboCap.

The Borg demands that all be assimilated and obedient to capital. Every pocket of resistance to the McDonaldization of the world is under attack. "Every human must be repeatedly injected with an insidious toxin for the profits of Pfizer and Blackrock, and all who resist must be demonized and ostracized."
54   RWSGFY   2022 Mar 11, 1:35pm  

Two Weeks Into War, Russia’s Economy Has Rarely Fared Worse Than Now
Two weeks into Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the war has inflicted a domestic toll that’s already comparable to the worst downturns of President Vladimir Putin’s more than two decades in power.
Tripped up by international sanctions, an economy that was on track to expand for a second year swung into reverse in a matter of days. In one of the first assessments of the damage already done, Bloomberg Economics’ nowcast suggests output has fallen about 2% -- a drop that rivals the full-year contraction during the pandemic in 2020. 
The decline means more than $30 billion has been erased from Russia’s annual gross domestic product, based on last year’s prices. Bloomberg Economics’ initial forecast is for Russia’s full-year GDP to slump about 9% in 2022. 
Read more: How Big Is War GDP Hit So Far? Nowcast Says 2%
Putin sought to reassure Russians on Friday, insisting that the Soviet Union grew and “achieved colossal successes” while under sanctions. 
But the depth of hardship at home may well test the nation’s resolve should the war in Ukraine turn into a prolonged conflict and result in additional sanctions. Russia is already headed for one of its biggest inflation spikes this century and the risk of shortages is prompting the government to impose restrictions on exports.
Bloomberg Economics’ gauge of activity suggests the collapse in the early days of the war resembles downturns during the Covid-19 shock and the global financial crisis. GDP shrank almost 8% in 2009.
Nowcasting the Impact of War, Sanctions on Russia’s Economy
The outlook for the year ahead is fluid and estimates vary widely among economists, ranging from the Institute of International Finance’s call for a “very deep recession” of 15% to a contraction of 7% seen by JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Goldman Sachs Group Inc.
A March survey of analysts by the Bank of Russia found the economy is expected to shrink 8% this year, compared with February’s forecast for a gain of 2.4%.
Worst to Come
The nowcast points to a large economic impact, based on the little information that’s available. But a much more severe downturn likely lies ahead, given the scope of the dislocation in Russia’s economy.
The measure may be understating the extent of the decline because stock prices are one of its four main components and the extended closure of local equity markets limits the amount of data. Bloomberg Economics factored in the performance of Russian securities before MSCI Inc. removed them from its indexes.
Other inputs used to measure activity are the ruble-dollar exchange rate, corporate bond yields and oil prices. 
Despite capital controls and the biggest interest-rate increase in almost two decades, the ruble has lost about 37% of its value in this year’s worst performance worldwide.
Russia is moving into a “deep recession,” with the ruble’s plunge driving up inflation and severely denting the purchasing power of the Russian population, International Monetary Fund Managing Director Kristalina Georgieva told reporters Thursday. 
-- Bloomberg
55   Misc   2022 Mar 11, 2:13pm  

GDP is a crap measure of the economy.

Example: Government spending adds to GDP.

Right now Russia has slightly less than 1 million people in the military. In WWII the Russian army totaled about 11 million. I would like this current conflict confined to the Ukraine. If Russia decides to boost its GDP by going to full wartime production, it would alleviate the hit to GDP, but would scare the ever living shit out of the West.
56   socal2   2022 Mar 11, 3:02pm  

Patrick says
I agree. The world needs to be multi-polar, and it currently is not. It's GloboCap all the way down.


I dunno - the world was much more violent when it was multi-polar. Violence is ticking up now (Ukraine) as America is perceived as being weak with Slow Joe Biden at the helm.

Everyone posting on this forum has enjoyed unprecedented peace and prosperity in our lives thanks to Pax-Americana. We are truly one of the luckiest generations in recorded history in terms of not having to suffer from militarized violence like all of our ancestors.






57   AmericanKulak   2022 Mar 11, 3:28pm  

socal2 says

Everyone posting on this forum has enjoyed unprecedented peace and prosperity in our lives thanks to Pax-Americana. We are truly one of the luckiest generations in recorded history in terms of not having to suffer from militarized violence like all of our ancestors.


And Debt, Outsourcing including the utter hollowing out of huge swaths of US Cities - esp. smaller cities like Scranton, Cinncinati, Binghampton, etc., and CRT/BLM bullshit. In 1990 it was unthinkable to have women in combat arms, and if you said Crossdressing perverts would be openly wearing makeup and sporting padded bras in the US Army in 30 years, would have laughed you out the room. Much less Drag Queens in Public Libraries with Kindergarten Kids.

$30T in debt, 120% of GDP, and that's just Federal - not including State or Private debt. Without a damn thing to show for it.
58   socal2   2022 Mar 11, 3:55pm  

AmericanKulak says
And Debt, Outsourcing including the utter hollowing out of huge swaths of US Cities - esp. smaller cities like Scranton, Cinncinati, Binghampton, etc., and CRT/BLM bullshit. In 1990 it was unthinkable to have women in combat arms, and if you said Crossdressing perverts would be openly wearing makeup and sporting padded bras in the US Army in 30 years, would have laughed you out the room. Much less Drag Queens in Public Libraries with Kindergarten Kids.

$30T in debt, 120% of GDP, and that's just Federal - not including State or Private debt. Without a damn thing to show for it.


How does cheering on Russia gobbling up their former Eastern European slave colonies and hoping or a Multi-polar world help this?

One can against the woke Corporate bullshit you cite above and also be against Russia invading their neighbors at the same time.
59   Misc   2022 Mar 11, 4:03pm  

Russia has no intentions of occupying the Ukraine.

It's total military is less than 1 million people. To occupy a country the size/population of Ukraine would take an occupation army of about 2 million people. Putin just ain't conscripting anyone, especially that number.

No this is just to make the Ukraine see his way on not being able to join NATO, making sure there are no more attacks from Ukrainians on the Donblass section, and formal recognition of Crimea belonging to Russia (with water rights).

If you think Putin is going to pay Russian money to rebuild what he is destroying in Ukraine, you are mistaken.

He has no intention of keeping it.
60   socal2   2022 Mar 11, 4:08pm  

Misc says
If you think Putin is going to pay Russian money to rebuild what he is destroying in Ukraine, you are mistaken.

He has no intention of keeping it


And he has made Russia a total pariah state and much poorer as a result.

Putin also showed the world the Russian military sucks and can't even manage logistics and supplies invading their next door neighbors.

So even if Putin pounds Ukrainian cities into submission with cowardly artillery and rocket strikes from afar - what has Russia really gained to offset the economic, social and political costs they will suffer over the years to come?
61   Misc   2022 Mar 11, 4:23pm  

He gains nothing except to have Europe united against him, which is why I didn't think he was going to invade in the first place.

The Russian military is getting better as time goes by. They are kinda new at this.

Putin saw what the CIA backed insurgents/terrorists did to his proxy's (Syria) cities. Maybe he is of the mind "do to me, I'll do the same to your proxies".

Still a bad move on his part, in my opinion.

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