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Active rig count continues to steadily increase and is within 10% of pre pandemic level.

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Looks like someone is doing alright with their Model Y long road trip. Spent about $60 for 850 miles.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/comments/vqij7v/850_mile_trip_cross_country_completed_yesterday/?utm_name=iossmf

Eman says

Looks like someone is doing alright with their Model Y long road trip. Spent about $60 for 850 miles.

https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/comments/vqij7v/850_mile_trip_cross_country_completed_yesterday/?utm_name=iossmf

With my 2021 Honda CRV (about 34 miles per gallon highway) that would be 25 gallons or $125 for gasoline. This is 6.8 miles per dollar.

The Telsa model Y is 14.1 miles per dollar based on data provided in the previous post.

The cheapest Tesla is the Model 3 and sells for around $40,000, and is about $10,000 more than our purchase for our 2021 CRV. The Model 3 is the one my wife and I are looking to buy. It costs the Tesla 3 owner about $3 to charge for every 100 miles or 33 miles per dollar. Model 3 has a range of 350 miles.

(source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2022/06/24/tesla-charging-costs-battery-gas/7689746001/ ).

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It costs the Tesla 3 owner about $3 to charge for every 100 miles or 33 miles per dollar.

At what price per kwhr?

Someone who lives in Kansas City pays 5 cents/kWh during off-peak hours. We’re so progressive in San Jose here, where we pay 25 cents/kWh. 🚀🚀

Eman says

Someone who lives in Kansas City pays 5 cents/kWh during off-peak hours. We’re so progressive in San Jose here, where we pay 25 cents/kWh.

But we get to bask in our smug moral superiority by talking about how dirty the electricity is in other states.

We have, like, um, almost fully green energy produced in CA, and were willfully ignorant about all the electricity we import from other states that's generated with fossil fuels. We also get to blame these states for our terribly unreliable electricity that leaves the state in darkness in the middle of heatwaves, as we mumble something about blaming speculators, or something like that. Then we all fire up our fossil fuel generators that half the state has purchased in the past few years to get through the brownouts, and think to ourselves "well, at least by running the genny today I get to avoid peak pricing, which is over 50c/kwh"

We californians vote smart.

B.A.C.A.H. says

At what price per kwhr?

Within the Florida panhandle it is a total of about 14 cents per kw-hr.

In white liberal shithole states like California, I suspect the electricity rate is a lot more.

Roll Tide Roll

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B.A.C.A.H. says

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It costs the Tesla 3 owner about $3 to charge for every 100 miles or 33 miles per dollar.

At what price per kwhr?

Ha ha ha! Let me know where I can purchase electricity at 9¢ kWh. How much are states subsidizing electric car charging (which seems to me to be a luxury compared to keeping the lights on or cooking food).

As far as I can tell (my bill is a bit confusing here), I'm paying about 40¢ kWh for the mandatory hand-picked, organic, non-GMO, PETA-compliant electrons. Those hand-pickers are unionized and fair-trade, too! From what I can glean, a Tesla model 3 goes about 3 miles on a kWh, which means 40¢/3 = 13¢/mile. On the highway, maybe 2.5 miles per kWh, so 20¢/mile. At $6/gallon and 30 MPG, a gasoline-powered car is doing 20¢/mile; it'll need 46 MPG for 13¢/mile.

Meanwhile, people don't expect gasoline to remain this high while electricity prices continue at multi-decade trend of outpacing inflation.

SunnyvaleCA says

Meanwhile, people don't expect gasoline to remain this high while electricity prices continue at multi-decade trend of outpacing inflation.

Valid point. I just looked at my electric bill now. Fucking insane with fees. I do actually get charged for usage at 10¢ kWh. There are 13 other items being charged on the bill though. Last bill was $311.13 and only $223.42 was for my usage. There was a -$99.21 reduction this bill for some nonsense. So I come in about 17¢/kWh. IL is a heavy nuke state. Actually just golfed next to the nukes in Byron, IL on Sunday. Lots of nat gas too. Had a 36" pipeline in my backyard growing up. I live near an extremely large wind farm too... where half the time they ain't spinning.

The rate doesn't matter if they just tack on a bunch of bull shit. If I had an EV the size I'd want to drive, bill for sure would have been over $500. Even with high gas prices, a V-8 SUV and 2 trips to Wisconsin on the books in June, I've maybe paid $300 for gas in the month of June. I can fill up in 5 min, tow and never worry about range outside of some random locations in the mountain west where I don't drive. EV's don't make sense for my needs.

My bigger concern is the inflation on beer. The fuck. Brick of Busch Latte went from $12 to $20 over the last two years. Fucking insane. If we get a sale we legit partner up with our neighbors and buy 10-12 cases between us as they only allow 2 per customer. Weird times. IL does have cheap beer though, so that's nice. Between Milwaukee and St. Louis the cheap light beer is nearby.

Eman says

in San Jose here, where we pay 25 cents/kWh.

SunnyvaleCA says

As far as I can tell (my bill is a bit confusing here), I'm paying about 40¢ kWh

Like E-man and SunnyvaleCA, I live in PG&E Bay Area "rate zone". I also own a plug-in hybrid.

Like SunnyvaleCA says, the bill is a bit confusing with all sorts of Divide And Conquer rate schedules, tiers, blah blah blah. To know what we pay I just divide the total electric charges into the total kwhr. Last bill that quotient was $0.39 per kwhr.

It is true as E-man says, there is a $0.25 per kwhr tier. We have never, ever, used electricity only in that tier. Our monthly electricity use always exceeded $0.25 tier. Our home is only about 1150 sq ft. We have no AC (don't need it in our moderate climate). We don't use the clothes dryer except occasional times in winter rainy season. (Use the Cool And Hip Solar-And-Wind-Powered clothesline). We don't use the dishwasher with its energy hog drying element. We only run the clothes washer 3x per week. All lighting is LED only. And we never ever get our use wholly into the $0.25 pricing tier.

Like E-man we own a vehicle that can be charged at home, - a plug in hybrid. If I charged it at home, the electricity use would be on top of what we use now, so it would all fall into the higher rate tier. Even at the $6 per gallon I've been paying recently ($5.84 at Diamond Gas on Story Road in SJ on July 4), it's less expensive to burn gasoline at 55 mpg in the Prius Prime than charging at home. I've done the calculation many times. If it's less expensive to charge at home, we'll do so.

What I have noticed here in the Cool And Hip (and Smug) Bay Area is that some (many?) EV owners are a bit disingenuous about what they pay for charging at home, always citing the lower rate tier, when their added use for charging the EV is "on top" of their other consumption, so that in the higher rate tier.

It is true that the utility company PG&E will allow us to sign up for a rate plan that allows us to charge at night "off peak" times for $0.25 per kwhr. However, to get this plan we must agree to pay a much higher price for other times of day, like over $0.54 per kwhr. PG&E has a portal where we can look up our hour-by-hour consumption. I've done this a few times. The "Off-peak EV rate charging plan" is mostly a wash at best. At worst, like if we don't use the car every day, it would shift more of our consumption into the super-high "peak rate" of $0.54.

So much (smug) B.S. here on The Left Coast.

Interesting post, thanks B.A.C.A.H

https://www.americanenergyalliance.org/2022/05/100-ways-biden-and-the-democrats-have-made-it-harder-to-produce-oil-gas/

https://amgreatness.com/2022/07/06/tucker-carlson-biden-selling-u-s-emergency-oil-reserves-to-china-is-impeachable-possibly-indictable-offense/

Tucker Carlson: Biden Selling U.S. Emergency Oil Reserves to China is Impeachable–Possibly Indictable Offense

AmericanKulak says

Interesting post, thanks B.A.C.A.H

@B.A.C.A.H,

I found a flaw in what you said above. I just compared my home electricity bill, compared to 2 apartment buildings I own with similar usage without EV2 Home Charging program. The EV home charging program works out to be slightly cheaper. This explains why our PG&E bills didn’t go up much while our usage has increased in the last 5 years.

Home last month: Used 735 kWh. Electricity bill was $249. Average 34 cents/kWh with off-peak at 25 cents/kWh.

Apartment building 1: Used 719 kWh. Electricity bill was $261. Average was 36 cents/kWh.

Apartment building 2: Used 797 kWh. Electricity bill was $309. Average 39 cents/kWh.

Home billing rates. We run A/C whenever we want. We yolo. We don’t cutback on our usage.

Apartment building 1: Used 719 kWh/month.

Apartment building 2: Used 797 kWh/month.

On other buildings with low usage, between $55-$75/month, 170-240 kWh, the electricity came out around 32 cents/kWh. On buildings with higher usage, 1,500-2,000 kWh, I see +43 cents/kWh without the EV2 Home Charging Program.

Unfortunately, I don’t see the BS left coast you’re referring to.

Just noticed PG&E raised their peak rate from 43 cents to 56 cents effective 6/1. That’s a 30% increase. Californians love to get “fucked” in the ass especially the poor working class folks. I hope they like who they voted for.

Increase 39 to 49 cents for peak rate on our apartment buildings. That’s 25% increase.
37 cents to 42 cents for off-peak rate. That’s 14% increase? 😂😂😂

Eman says

PG&E raised their peak rate from 43 cents to 56 cents

And I am pissed about my 20 c per kwh price after they raised the rate....

Bd6r says

Eman says

PG&E raised their peak rate from 43 cents to 56 cents

And I am pissed about my 20 c per kwh price after they raised the rate....

This doesn’t bother me. It just seems like there’s no checks and balances in this state. It’s all happy talk while the little guys get screwed.

We live a comfortable life. Our home is free and clear while our living expenses are around $15k/month. Our living expenses are paid for by others. Everything is a pass through for us. The poor folks are the ones who take it up in the ass while they keep voting for these libtards. 🤷‍♂️

SunnyvaleCA says

B.A.C.A.H. says

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It costs the Tesla 3 owner about $3 to charge for every 100 miles or 33 miles per dollar.

At what price per kwhr?

Ha ha ha! Let me know where I can purchase electricity at 9¢ kWh. How much are states subsidizing electric car charging (which seems to me to be a luxury compared to keeping the lights on or cooking food).

As far as I can tell (my bill is a bit confusing here), I'm paying about 40¢ kWh for the mandatory hand-picked, organic, non-GMO, PETA-compliant electrons. Those hand-pickers are unionized and fair-trade, too! From what I can glean, a Tesla model 3 goes about 3 miles on a kWh, which means 40¢/3 = 13¢/mile. On the highway, maybe 2.5 miles per kWh, so 20¢/mile. At $6/gallon and 30 MPG, a gasoline-powered car is doing 20¢/mile; ...

Your assumption seems a little high. I get 285-290 Wh/mile on average with my Model S. It’s a bigger and heavier car. I would think the Model 3 would get better mileage than mine.

Eman says

I found a flaw in what you said

What is the flaw?

B.A.C.A.H. says

Eman says

I found a flaw in what you said

What is the flaw?

“It is true that the utility company PG&E will allow us to sign up for a rate plan that allows us to charge at night "off peak" times for $0.25 per kwhr. However, to get this plan we must agree to pay a much higher price for other times of day, like over $0.54 per kwhr. PG&E has a portal where we can look up our hour-by-hour consumption. I've done this a few times. The "Off-peak EV rate charging plan" is mostly a wash at best. At worst, like if we don't use the car every day, it would shift more of our consumption into the super-high "peak rate" of $0.54.

So much (smug) B.S. here on The Left Coast.”

- This is not true based on my experience, and the data I showed above. If more charging happens during off-peak hours, it’ll bring down the average $/kWh even more.

Eman says

“It is true that the utility company PG&E will allow us to sign up for a rate plan that allows us to charge at night "off peak" times for $0.25 per kwhr. However, to get this plan we must agree to pay a much higher price for other times of day, like over $0.54 per kwhr. PG&E has a portal where we can look up our hour-by-hour consumption. I've done this a few times. The "Off-peak EV rate charging plan" is mostly a wash at best. At worst, like if we don't use the car every day, it would shift more of our consumption into the super-high "peak rate" of $0.54.

- This is not true based on my experience, and the data I showed above. If more charging happens during off-peak hours, it’ll bring down the average $/kWh even more.

As you said, based on your experience. That's your experience. I wasn't referring to your experience. I was referring to my observation and experience. Good for you,

I don't care if you believe me or not. I'm not going to waste my time lying on Patrick's blog. I was discussing my observations about me. Not your experience about you. No flaw in that unless you wanna call me a liar.

It would be a wash for me. Because I am a stupid podunk little guy local kid, with my luck and intuition the time I sign up for that plan will be the time when we have a heat wave and I don't drive the car at all, missing out on the cheap electricity at night and running the AC all day (yes we have it. Just don't need to use it. Fresh air is nicer for us on typical mild summer days than closing up the windows and running AC, especially at 40 cents per kwhr).

Eman says

2 apartment buildings I own

Eman says

We run A/C whenever we want. We yolo.

Eman says

This doesn’t bother me.

Eman says

little guys get screwed.

Eman says

Our home is free and clear while our living expenses are around $15k/month.

Eman says

Our living expenses are paid for by others.

Eman says

The poor folks are the ones who take it up in the ass

And this kind of Bay Area Cool And Hip Smugness, is why they mostly hate us in Flyover Country.

In Canada:

B.A.C.A.H. says

Eman says

“It is true that the utility company PG&E will allow us to sign up for a rate plan that allows us to charge at night "off peak" times for $0.25 per kwhr. However, to get this plan we must agree to pay a much higher price for other times of day, like over $0.54 per kwhr. PG&E has a portal where we can look up our hour-by-hour consumption. I've done this a few times. The "Off-peak EV rate charging plan" is mostly a wash at best. At worst, like if we don't use the car every day, it would shift more of our consumption into the super-high "peak rate" of $0.54.

- This is not true based on my experience, and the data I showed above. If more charging happens during off-peak hours, it’ll bring down the average $/kWh even more.

As you said, based on your experience. That's your experience. I wasn't referring to your experience. I was ref...

I shared data to show that we don’t experience the same thing. Why don’t you share with us your data so the readers can compare what we’re talking about.

B.A.C.A.H. says

Eman says

“It is true that the utility company PG&E will allow us to sign up for a rate plan that allows us to charge at night "off peak" times for $0.25 per kwhr. However, to get this plan we must agree to pay a much higher price for other times of day, like over $0.54 per kwhr. PG&E has a portal where we can look up our hour-by-hour consumption. I've done this a few times. The "Off-peak EV rate charging plan" is mostly a wash at best. At worst, like if we don't use the car every day, it would shift more of our consumption into the super-high "peak rate" of $0.54.

- This is not true based on my experience, and the data I showed above. If more charging happens during off-peak hours, it’ll bring down the average $/kWh even more.

As you said, based on your experience. That's your experience. I wasn't referring to your experience. I was ref...

Be careful who you vote for. There are consequences. I came from a poor country so I appreciate this country very much, and the opportunity it provides.

It’s so ironic to see folks in the Bay Area voted to ruin this place while struggling, whining and bitching about their lives. I shared the irony of what people voted for. We pay 5x the electricity compared to a flyover state. Nice going libtards.

Even an immigrant, who came to this country w/o speaking the language, could make it. What’s wrong with the native folks here who grew up speaking the language since they were born?

I own rentals in the East Bay too, and the irony there. The mindset of some of the folks there. Truly sad…..No wonder why people like Maxine Walters and Barbara Lee are in office forever while don’t contribute 💩 to the community.

Eman says

We pay 5x the electricity compared to a flyover state.

Yes.
And you boasted how it's Silicon Valley Chump change for you to pay that much, paid for house and 15k per month etc.

That's the kind of in-your-face Smug Bay Area braggadocio that makes our cousins in FlyOver Country hate us. I only lived here, but I have many folks all over the US. I've spent a lot of time in their parts and fit right in when I'm among them. The Smug, Boastful talk is why they hate us. They hate us for other stuff too involving how we tolerate certain over-the-top liberal behaviors.

There's nothing wrong with a bit of humility.

Regarding my PG&E and EV scenario, your billing scheme would at best be a wash for me. More likely, because I am a stupid sh*t, I would not save money on it. I don't need to boast in our Flyover Friends' faces who follow these threads how awesome I am to afford our ridiculous rates by uploading images of my bill. You can call me a liar, or stupid podunk local kid. Whatever. Sticks and Stones.
Eman says

What’s wrong with the native folks here who grew up speaking the language since they were born?

Yeah, I hear this hubris a lot in Silicon Valley.

Keep on keeping on bro, Sky's The Limit for you. Good for you.

SunnyvaleCA says

Ha ha ha! Let me know where I can purchase electricity at 9¢ kWh. How much are states subsidizing electric car charging (which seems to me to be a luxury compared to keeping the lights on or cooking food).

Its about 11 cents per kW-hour in Northwest Florida or Florida panhandle (aka: LA as in Lower Alabama) for electricity, boy.

I read it averages about 25 cents per kW-hour in Los Angeles, and I wonder if that is going to be problematic if climate trends lead to more air condition usage in Los Angeles.

About 35% to 65% of my home's electricity bill is for air conditioning from March through November in the Florida panhandle. My family wants to keep the thermostat down to 70 degrees Fahrenheit so the humidity averages about 50% during the summer.

https://www.fpl.com/content/dam/fplgp/us/en/northwest/pdf/rates/How%20to%20Read%20your%20Bill%20Northwest.pdf

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B.A.C.A.H. says

Eman says

We pay 5x the electricity compared to a flyover state.

Yes.
And you boasted how it's Silicon Valley Chump change for you to pay that much, paid for house and 15k per month etc.

That's the kind of in-your-face Smug Bay Area braggadocio that makes our cousins in FlyOver Country hate

B.A.C.A.H. says

Eman says

We pay 5x the electricity compared to a flyover state.

Yes.
And you boasted how it's Silicon Valley Chump change for you to pay that much, paid for house and 15k per month etc.

That's the kind of in-your-face Smug Bay Area braggadocio that makes our cousins in FlyOver Country hate us. I only lived here, but I have many folks all over the US. I've spent a lot of time in their parts and fit right in when I'm among them. The Smug, Boastful talk is why they hate us. They hate us for other stuff too involving how we tolerate certain over-the-top liberal behaviors.

There's nothing wrong with a bit of humility.
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B.A.C.A.H. says

Eman says

We pay 5x the electricity compared to a flyover state.

Yes.
And you boasted how it's Silicon Valley Chump change for you to pay that much, paid for house and 15k per month etc.

That's the kind of in-your-face Smug Bay Area braggadocio that makes our cousins in FlyOver Country hate us. I only lived here, but I have many folks all over the US. I've spent a lot of time in their parts and fit right in when I'm among them. The Smug, Boastful talk is why they hate us. They hate us for other stuff too involving how we tolerate certain over-the-top liberal behaviors.

There's nothing wrong with a bit of humility.

Regarding my PG&E and EV scenario, your billing scheme would at best be a wash for me. More likely, because I am a stupid sh*t, I would not save money on it. I don't need to boast in our Flyover Friends' faces who follow these threa...

You think it’s in-your-face smug while I feel I offer a different perspective about life. Everyone can have the life they deserve/want if they’re willing to work for it. This is America. She offers opportunities for ALL. Maybe you’ve been a W2 employee your whole life so you share the perspective?

I chat with people from different walks of life on BiggerPockets. They don’t see the smugness in what I share and say. Everyone wants financial freedom to do whatever they want and provide the life for their beloved ones. Only the jealous ones see it as in-your-face smugness.

You say charging EV at home is a wash. I shared data that’s it’s not. Anyways, no reason to carry on if you’re not willing to share your data to back up your claim.

Cheers!

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SunnyvaleCA says

Ha ha ha! Let me know where I can purchase electricity at 9¢ kWh. How much are states subsidizing electric car charging (which seems to me to be a luxury compared to keeping the lights on or cooking food).

Its about 11 cents per kW-hour in Northwest Florida or Florida panhandle (aka: LA as in Lower Alabama) for electricity, boy.

I read it averages about 25 cents per kW-hour in Los Angeles, and I wonder if that is going to be problematic if climate trends lead to more air condition usage in Los Angeles.

About 35% to 65% of my home's electricity bill is for air conditioning from March through November in the Florida panhandle. My family wants to keep the thermostat down to 70 degrees Fahrenheit so the humidity averages about 50% during the summer.

https://www.fpl.com/content/dam/fplgp/us/en/northwest/pdf/rates/How%20to%20...

Gas prices in your state are lower compared to us so your savings is different than ours. 11 cents/kWh vs. $4.50/gallon in gas vs. ours 25 cents/kWh vs. $6.50/gallon in gas?

All in all, the experience has been great for us. We don’t see us going back to an ICE car anytime soon.

Driving EV’s offer another perspective about electricity usage and degradation. Once we’re ready to install solar, we’ll go overboard on the design to account for seasonality and degradation of the solar overtime. Maybe 125-140% of the actual usage capacity? Have 1-2 powerwall will likely help to maximize the savings and seasonality.

Electricity prices will likely continue to go up while we’ll fix our cost with solar. This is the last year for maximum rebates and credits in CA. Something for us to think about.