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UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

Retirement communities are big on EV golf carts. My parents have one as do most of their neighbors.

Golf carts are literally the best use for batteries if the community/village/city allows it. I use mine to get around since the speed limits are 25mph, so you can't get yourself in trouble on a cart. They're quiet. And what I can't stand is EV drivers just not admitting they're fun to drive. I get the speed and torque flooring the pedal. Is that worth $30-50k more than a similar ICE car? No. It's basic math really.

When I leave town it's a full sized V8 SUV. Mine is 14 years old, 232k miles. Minor repairs and oil changes an EV wouldn't need. I 100% would need a new battery with an EV though with the miles and age. $15-20K? That's more than my gas and repairs over the same time frame.

You're better off buying a new car and if it's EV again you're now $60-100k in the hole on a fucking car. I can repair my car now for substantially less than a new car. EV drivers are getting raped, they just don't know it. If I got a sedan like a Toyota Corolla I'd be massively ahead financially. Similar size to a Tesla.

I don't know, I just don't get car people that spend so much money. I need utility and there's not a single EV model that provides anything close to what I need by a long shot. I give no shits about speed or gadgets.

https://slaynews.com/news/new-report-blames-climate-policies-california-high-gas-prices-newsom-big-oil/

New Report Blames Climate Policies for California’s High Gas Prices After Newsom Claimed It Was ‘Big Oil’

A new report from the Energy Policy Research Foundation (EPRF) has concluded that California’s “climate change” policies are to blame for the state’s soaring gas prices.

The confirmation comes despite insistence from Democrat Governor Gavin Newsom that “Big Oil” was to blame for the state’s higher-than-average fuel prices.

According to the EPRF analysis by researcher Max Pyziur, California has several climate policies impacting gasoline prices that are unique to the state.

AAA reported that the average gas price nationwide was around $3.17 a gallon.

In California, however, the average price is $4.67 a gallon.

The study by Pyzier pointed out that gasoline formulations exceeding EPA standards account for 16 cents a gallon of added cost.

California’s Cap and Trade program, an attempt to limit greenhouse gas emissions, is another cause of the higher prices.

This program caps greenhouse gas emissions and charges a fee for those who exceed the “caps.”

California also has an excise tax of 58 cents per gallon, which was only 18 cents a gallon in 2000.

The combination of these policies has made gas cost an average of $1 more per gallon in 2022 and 2023.

Patrick says

AAA reported that the average gas price nationwide was around $3.17 a gallon.

In California, however, the average price is $4.67 a gallon.

Do the math. They have to make up for EV's without taxing them directly. We're at about $3.29 I believe in IL. That $1.50/gallon extra is to pay for EV's and your location.

With a massive refinery in Indiana our bump is only about 10-20¢/gallon. Plus we don't have as many EV's as CA. EV's are costing ICE drivers a ton in places not near the Gulf or with major pipelines/refineries. Basically the entire West coast to the Rockies.

Nothing compared with what happens after refineries close down, once they shut down they are gone and never coming back.

https://www.thecentersquare.com/california/article_f2ae7d54-927c-11ef-b60b-5f53fd496ef7.html

CA prices were higher before EVs were a thing. It's the fucking "special formulation".

Patrick says

Touch hyperbolic. Even for CA you’d be driving an F-350 to pay that much. I’ve never paid over $100 for a V8 15mpg SUV from empty. Your standard pickup would be less and a lot at V6’s now that can still haul and tow but more efficient.

Besides taxes the prices are coming down for sure in the next 6 months.

Does anyone actually look at gas prices or am I a snob? I look more at ingress and egress to get me out of said gas station quickly. My time is worth more than pennies. Right turn in and right turn out. No stop lights or crossing lanes. I'll burn more idling than I saved at the pump if I need to make a left turn.

I've got a 24 gallon tank too. I just don't care about the price. Would have to hit $10/gal which will never happen in my lifetime.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/gremlins-friday-february-7-2025-c

Finally, yesterday the Washington Free Beacon ran a great and very welcome story headlined, “Trump Admin Reopens Millions of Acres for Oil Drilling in Rollback of Biden Climate Agenda.” Fulfilling these Trump promises can be traced to the excellent work of newly confirmed Interior Secretary Doug Burghum.

In a series of orders Monday night, Secretary Burgum revoked scores of Biden-era actions that blocked drilling across 625 million acres of federal waters nationwide —an area roughly equivalent in size to a third of the continental United States— and across the 19-million-acre Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska, and in the state's 23-million-acre National Petroleum Reserve.

Burgum also unveiled a six-pillar plan to implement President Trump's energy agenda: address the national energy emergency, unleash American energy, deliver emergency price relief for American families, revoke Biden's offshore drilling bans, roll back regulations, and unleash Alaska's resource potential.

This should help bring down the price of gas.

And yet they went up last week.

1:30pm PDT, 2/12/25, Newark, CA

Newsom's 65 cent/gallon tax increase is kicking in, I think.

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

1:30pm PDT, 2/12/25, Newark, CA

I don't drive a ton, but that is retarded. I've said $10/gal would move me to care legitimately, but that's taxes in CA. $5.29 without wash? CA doesn't have water, yet give a 0.20¢ discount to waste more water? You have a dry climate, do people drive on gravel or dirt roads?

We have water here in IL so they do the discount, but we have to actually wash our cars this time of year with the salt on the roads. Your state boggles my mind. It's superficial. I wash my car to get corrosive salt off of it, not to be shiny.

$3.25/gal here in my high tax state. My current fill up is $78 with gas light on. I'd be spending $49 more on a fill up in CA. Paid $17k in IL income taxes. I'd pay about $35-40k in state income taxes in CA. This is why we didn't move out there. Your taxes are obscene. Okay state on property taxes though but I think many rent here from CA as it's difficult to own there without $300k+ a year family income at minimum. Probably a below average house as well.

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

1:30pm PDT, 2/12/25, Newark, CA

Newsom's 65 cent/gallon tax increase is kicking in, I think.

They went up less than that. Something like 20-30 cents week-over-week at the in-town stations I visit. From ~$3.69-3.79 to ~$4.01-4.13 (Not going to rip-off ones near freeway exits, like one at your pic, lol).

Eric Holder says

Will not impact IL at all unless they increase taxes because of EV's. WY, SD and ND are massive frackers. There are already pipelines that feed to IL to refine finished products in Whiting, IN. Still slightly losing population so demand won't increase likely, especially with EV's, so less ICE vehicles on the road.

Just paid $3.19/gal with no car wash deal or anything. Our prices have been going down. Taxes like I said are the biggie. With our top notch power grid if anything prices might get into the low $2 area.

I've used gasbuddy (source), but I'm not sure they account for the EV market taking demand away at all. IL prices are the least affected. Any bump is due to the winter blend ending. Won't have to do with "real" nominal gas prices. Happens every year.

https://cognitivecarbon.substack.com/p/about-those-401ks-choose-the-right

I used to update this chart and publish it on X now and again to highlight just how significant the gasoline price rise was. During the COVIDiocy era in 2022, prices in my small California farming town for regular gasoline nearly touched $7 a gallon at one point.

Gas is almost under $3 in the PRNY. In 2017 it was about $2.25.

It costs a lot to maintain the seven-figure lifestyle of the globhomo grifters . . .