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Thread For Exposing Blatant Propaganda


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2022 Mar 11, 9:40am   22,640 views  242 comments

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https://spectatorworld.com/topic/two-wars-ukraine-propaganda-social-media/?source=patrick.net


Ukraine and the war for your mind
The conflict on the ground isn’t the only one — there’s plenty of propaganda afoot too

March 11, 2022

Deterrence works. Russia’s nukes are the only thing keeping the US from full-out war in Ukraine just six months after retreating from Afghanistan. The unprecedented propaganda effort by Ukraine and its helpers in the American mass media to drag the US and NATO directly into the fight has failed — so far. But the struggle — the one for your mind space — is not over.

To understand what follows, you have to wipe away a lot of bull being slung your way. Insanity is not the only explanation for Putin’s actions of the past few weeks. From a Russian standpoint, he is carrying out a rational political-military strategy in Ukraine, seizing Russian-speaking territory such as Donbas, demilitarizing eastern Ukraine by force, and most of all creating a physical buffer zone between his country’s southern border and NATO. That zone may end at the Dnieper River with a loop around Odessa, or it may end at the Polish border, depending on how smoothly things go on the ground and on what level of “back away” message Putin wishes to send NATO.

It’s unlikely that Putin is making the first moves toward some greater conquest. All the bad takes saying “if we don’t stop Putin now, he’ll invade Moldova/Estonia/Poland/all Europe just like Hitler” ignores that the German military in World War Two had some 18 million men under arms. The Russian army today has 1.3 million, the best of which are going to be in Ukraine for a while.

Every war has its “is the juice worth the squeeze” question. Is what you can realistically hope to achieve worth the cost of getting it? For Putin, that means solving his border problem at the cost of maybe a few thousand men and another dollop of weak sanctions. He understood the needs of Europe meant sanctions would never harm sales of the fossil fuels which make up most Russian exports. But nyet to Paypal for you tovarishch! Putin could also look to history and see how decades of sanctions have not changed much in Cuba, Venezuela, Iraq, Iran and North Korea.

Putin most importantly also knew NATO would not fight him on the ground for fear of starting a nuclear war. That is exactly what nukes are for — and is the history of the Cold War in a sentence. Having nukes allows a country to do certain things any way it wants because its actions stay below the threshold of risking atomic war. This is why the US could destroy Gaddafi and Saddam (no nukes) and why the US will never attack North Korea (nukes). Under US pressure, Ukraine in 1994 relinquished the nukes it inherited from the former Soviet Union, enabling the invasion here in 2022.

Being a nuclear superpower makes things easier; the US can fight all over Central America and the Middle East, and Russia in the ’Stans, Crimea and now Ukraine, and none of that is important enough for the other side to consider using nukes to stop it. It is not like America does not know how to step away from a fight which isn’t ours: Crimea, Chechnya, Rwanda, Hungary ’56, Czechoslovakia ’68, initially Afghanistan ’79, even to a certain extent in Syria 2016. Putin knows that. Biden knows that. NATO knows that. Ukraine, however, still thinks it can change the game.

Ukraine knew on Day One it didn’t have enough men or weapons to defeat the Russians. Its only hope to remain a unified nation (it is easy to imagine a divided Ukraine, Western Zone and Russian Eastern Zone) is outside help. A no-fly zone, some airstrikes to blunt Russian advances. Maybe some of those Polish/NATO pilots planning to ferry F-16s to Ukraine stay to fly them in combat? Something, anything.

That’s why America is being blitzed with Ukrainian propaganda, and your brother-in-law is ready to head to Europe with his never-cleaned hunting rifle. The goal is to change public opinion such that a weak guy like Joe Biden starts to doubt himself. The goal is get Biden to take that Pentagon meeting laying out options for some limited bombing, or to listen to those analysts saying the US could set up a small no-fly zone on Ukraine’s western edge to facilitate humanitarian aid. Drop in some Special Forces. Something, anything.

The purpose of the propaganda is to get Biden to sign off on something hopefully small enough that it falls below the threshold of provoking a nuclear response. A risky and delicate tasking. The bad news is Ukrainian propaganda is working. A non-partisan 74 percent of Americans say NATO should impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine. And that’s even as we are just getting started.

A quick propaganda recap. We’ve had the hero phase with the non-existent Ghost of Kyiv and the supermodels with guns. We’ve had the Russians-are-going-to-kill-us-all phase, with the faux threat of invasion to the West and the faux scare the Russians were going to create a Chernobyl-like nuclear accident by shelling a power plant. We are currently moving through the “not verifiable atrocities” phase. Alongside this is beefcake talk about Zelensky, the likes of which we haven’t seen since before the cancellations of Andrew Cuomo and Michael Avenatti. The fact-checking mania of the Covid era is in the dustbin of history as American media removes all the filters on pro-Ukrainian content.


The quality of the propaganda is not important (any scrap metal on snowy ground is breaking news of another Russian helo down, even if the metal has “Acme Junk Pile” written on it). The quantity is important, the attempt to overwhelm American mind space to the point where logic is shoved into the back corner. There is a growing cottage industry of “experts” explaining how to can go to war without going to THAT kind of war. Dissenting voices are few, and are often labeled as “Putin lovers,” with late night hosts hurling homophobic slurs at them like high school kids.

It all sounds silly when the effect of propaganda is to convince Americans higher gas prices are the cost of freedom, or booking an Airbnb they’ll never stay at will save Ukraine, or refusing Russian dressing on a salad. But it is deadly serious. There are two battles now playing out over Ukraine. The one on the ground — and the one on your social media seeking to drag America into the mud.

Only half a year after the sad ending in Afghanistan, it is stunning to watch America again contemplate going to war for some abstract purpose far removed from our own core interests. And this time it is the risk of a nuclear exchange to remind us of our mistake, not just an inglorious departure from Kabul.


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219   Patrick   2024 Nov 7, 5:21pm  

https://wmbriggs.substack.com/p/what-the-covid-panic-did-to-science


I never tire reminding people of the video that sent the world into a tizzy. It showed a man on a Wuhan street, teetering, then collapsing. Dead, presumably. Many saw that and descended into gibbering madness. We’re all going to die! was one of the soberer responses.

How come no one remembers what happens next in the video? Men in spacesuits arrived moments after and scrape the body up. Now I ask you: how many times have you seen men in spacesuits strolling down the street waiting for people to collapse? How in the unholy Hell did those men know to be there just as the man was dying, and how did they know to be suited up? And who just happened to be filming the spectacle?
221   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2025 Feb 23, 10:27am  

Patrick says






I guess the average house doesn't have a dishwasher? (I didn't for the nearly 25 year of my second tour of CA)
222   Patrick   2025 Feb 23, 12:17pm  

https://democracymanifest.substack.com/p/the-real-bug-that-i-use-is-the-internet


How to pull off a ‘pandemic’… according to the ‘CBRN’ experts ...

This post outlines Giordano’s theory as applied to the Covid operation, and revisits the Australian Government’s pre-Covid Public Health terrorism ‘Counter-Terrorism’ plan for ‘responding’ to Chemical-Biological-Radiological-Nuclear (CBRN) incidents: the Health CBRN Plan (2018).

If you haven’t seen him before, here’s geeky guru James Giordano delivering a lecture at Georgetown University in 2017 on the topic of “Neurotechnology in National Security & National Defense”.

Giordano explains how a terrorist would create the illusion of a killer contagion spreading from person-to-person.

How is this done?

In essence, by instigating geo-strategic ‘outbreaks’ of (non-contagious) critical illness as a tool to spread panic through the (unaffected) wider population.

Note that the end goal is to create mass medical-hysteria… via media.

(1:45 with transcript below - key sentences enlarged and bolded.)

“What I want is high morbidity.”
But I don't want lethality, at least not necessarily. What I want is high morbidity.
I want people to complain. So what do I do? I go to Des Moines. (Ladies and gentlemen and people on the screen I have nothing against Des Moines. I lived there for four years.) I go to Des Moines. I infect a couple of sentinel cases in Des Moines. I go to Seattle. I infect a couple of cases there. I go to North Carolina. I go to Wisconsin.

“…I'm using a dispersion methodology to be able to infect sentinel cases with a highly morbid condition.”
What I'm doing is I'm using a dispersion methodology to be able to infect sentinel cases with a highly morbid condition. These individuals complain. Again, this is a central nervous system condition, so they're complaining of whatever the bug may do. It'll produce some cascade of neurological and neuropsychiatric signs and symptoms.

“…the real bug that I use is the internet.”
And then what I do: the real bug that I use is the internet. I take attribution for that. Yes, I'm a terrorist group. And I have done this by infecting with a highly lethal agent, and the first signs and symptoms of lethality are X, Y, and Z.

These people are really sick with this.

But then I say, others who are also infected will show subsyndromal presyndromic signs of lethality. And what that will be is anxiety, sleeplessness, agitation.

“…I’ve got every individual who's the worried well flooding the public health system…”
What I've now done is I've got every individual who is diagnostically hypochondriacal and I've got every individual who's the worried well flooding the public health system, banging on the door.

The CDC comes back and says, “Nonsense. That's not real”. I come back and say: “That's fake news.”

“I fracture the integrity of trust and reliance upon the population and its government.”
And as a consequence of doing that, what I do is I create a schism between the polis and the public health system. I fracture the integrity of trust and reliance upon the population and its government. And of course I'll be able to then incur a ripple effect…

James Giordano: “Neurotechnology in National Security & National Defense” - Georgetown University, 10 August 2017

Giordano says that by seeding “sentinel cases” of a genuinely serious medical condition - using a “dispersion methodology” in different locations - a pseudo-pandemic is subsequently created using “the real bug”, which is internet-induced panic among the worried well.
223   Patrick   2025 Feb 28, 1:24am  

https://neociceroniantimes.substack.com/p/lying-to-people-about-history-doesnt-b57


A case in point would be the movie slated to hit the theaters tomorrow called Hidden Figures. If the hype surrounding this movie is to be believed, it will tell the “true” story of the American space program that put a man on the moon. The movie is a loose biography of Katherine Johnson, a black woman who played a role in the space program. The hype surrounding the movie, of course, portrays her as the single central figure in that program without whom nothing would have been accomplished. All those white guys with slide rules and crew cuts? They could have done nothing without her.

Now to be clear, there really was a black woman named Katherine Johnson who was involved with the space program – that much is true. It is also true that she was an accomplished mathematician and that she was involved in checking the calculations that were involved with the orbital mechanics of putting a man on the moon. But it’s a long way from that to the sort of “black woman single-handedly put a man on the moon” recounting that the narrative hype seems to be portraying.
224   MolotovCocktail   2025 Feb 28, 3:10pm  

Patrick says

A case in point would be the movie slated to hit the theaters tomorrow called Hidden Figures.


@Patrick

That movie came out almost 10 years ago. WTF is this guy's malfunction?


226   Patrick   2025 Apr 15, 12:45pm  

A Soviet and American professor find themselves sitting next to each other on a flight.

American: "Why are you coming to the US?"

Soviet: "To study American propaganda techniques."

American: "What propaganda?"

Soviet: "Exactly."
227   Ceffer   2025 Apr 15, 12:55pm  

Patrick says


If the hype surrounding this movie is to be believed, it will tell the “true” story of the American space program that put a man on the moon.

LoL! Compounding deceptions? If you believe that the moon landings were faked, where does that put the heroic DEI 'math wiz's'? The only thing better than a deception is deceptions layered on other deceptions and turned into popular mythology for the idiosheeples. Higher and deeper.

What Netflix hath rendered, let no sane person put asunder.
228   Patrick   2025 May 7, 9:46am  


When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in a rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less'

'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master—that's all.'


-- Lewis Carroll
229   Ceffer   2025 May 9, 9:24am  

Corollary: When a lie is sufficiently established (whether fake history or fake events), it can be used as if syllogistic conclusions apply to it (them), and it still counts as a Satanic inversion. Favored tool of politicians: the 'as if' extension of the big lies. They can appear to speak truth and logic when their whole foundation is presumptive lies.

The War of the Prebunk:




War of the Prebunk pdf

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-war-of-the-prebunk
231   Ceffer   2025 May 9, 11:22am  

We can expect the virtue signaling Satanic Inversion bullshit from Leo XIV in extremis. "We are going to fuck you in the ass, Republic, with every human criminal, subversive, militant, gang banger, rapist and Hun we can pour over your borders with our transport and credit card systems. We will call it mercy, love and compassion, yuck, yuck, yuck!"

https://t.me/tribunalsandexecutions/513057

235   AmericanKulakMaximumTrumper   2025 Jun 6, 11:54am  

The Debt Ceiling is a fake Uniparty weapon used to stop reform and push renewing the status quo using fake time-limits before "Ceiling is reached" that don't exist
236   SunnyvaleCA   2025 Jun 6, 11:55am  

I wonder if Elon's little spate with Trump was just to reprogram the stupid to liking Teslas again.

On the other hand, the "Big Beautiful Bill" is a huge turd. Shows that even when Republicans can completely ignore the Democrats they still can't cut waste out of the budget. A Republicans any more financially conservative the Dems?
237   Patrick   2025 Jun 19, 1:26pm  

https://www.petersweden.org/p/proof-government-put-vaccine-propaganda


Turns out that government Ministers met with mainstream media bosses during covid to tell them to put pro-vaccine storylines in popular TV shows such as Coronation Street.

They met in secret with ITV, BBC and Channel 4, Channel 5, Sky and more with the government talking about ”national unity programming”.

In other words, they wanted mainstream media like the BBC to ”program” people into accepting the vaccine narrative. Incredible. I thought this was supposed to be a free country?

It appears that the infamous clapping at night to show appreciation for hospital workers was promoted by Channel 4 as part of the ”national unity programming”.

Remember when BBC claims they aren’t state media? Well, they are. And they push propaganda.

”What this demonstrates is that during Covid, the government reduced the broadcasters to mere arms of the state” – said Sir David Davis, former Brexit Secretary.

The weird thing is, this began very early on, way before the covid vaccines had been developed (at least from what we have been told).

Already on 2nd February 2020, which is long before the first lockdowns even began, government officials met with the chief at ITV where they had agreed to talk with them about ”vaccine messaging” agenda.

Wait, there wasn’t even any covid vaccine on the market yet and the lockdowns hadn’t even begun. Why were they discussing vaccine propaganda so early on? Something doesn’t seem right here…
239   Fortwaye   2025 Jun 23, 9:44am  

AmericanKulakMaximumTrumper says

The Debt Ceiling is a fake Uniparty weapon used to stop reform and push renewing the status quo using fake time-limits before "Ceiling is reached" that don't exist


you do understand how money works? they borrow it, pay interest on borrowed. creates inflation. we need balanced budgets, not irresponsible deadbeat spending.

generation that benefited from spending, leaving next generation with a bill. that’s asshole level stuff.
240   goofus   2025 Jun 23, 9:52am  

Blatant. “Khameini is the devil in disguise!” “The regime has murdered millions!” “Trump and Netanyahu are so courageous.”






241   Patrick   2025 Jun 24, 2:52pm  

https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/why-war-propaganda-always-works


Especially in the male brain, the arousal to fight seems to originate in the same neural circuitry as sexual arousal, and the closely related desire of young men to prove themselves in the eyes of young women.

Shortly after the British government declared war on Germany on August 4, 1914, young women were deployed in British cities to approach young men on the streets and ask them why—by all appearances—they hadn’t yet enlisted.

When a German U-Boat torpedoed the Lusitania—which was carrying over 4 million rounds of machine gun ammunition from the U.S. to Britain—the British government created potent propaganda using various imagery of drowned maidens and young mothers clutching their infants as they sank to the bottom of the Atlantic.

In the United States, various parties who wanted American participation in the war—especially banking interests—published equally potent propaganda to drum up fear and loathing of Germany.

No matter how many U.S. military adventures abroad fail and are later revealed to have been launched under false pretenses, large swaths of the American public can be easily manipulated to support yet another foolhardy and costly adventure. Humans are absolute suckers for war propaganda.

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