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The Nazis in Ukraine are Real


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2022 Mar 12, 7:00pm   36,686 views  233 comments

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https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/the-nazis-in-ukraine-are-just-as?source=patrick.net


Some videos and articles attest to the extreme brutality of those fanatics; and the Western media's denial that there ARE Nazis in Ukraine makes all of them accomplices to crimes against humanity

Mark Crispin Miller

Here we are again, struggling to inform the hypnotized of facts that, though they need to know them, they don’t want to; only now it isn’t scientific data that they angrily blow off, though it could save their lives, but facts of recent history that they indignantly dismiss, though it could save us all from nuclear annihilation.

The videos and articles below make clear that (a) there are Nazis in Ukraine, that (b) they’ve been committing horrifying crimes against humanity in East Ukraine, and, therefore, that (c) all who are now parroting the media’s heroic jive are hailing Nazi criminals, whose racist ideology and wildly brutal violence have been obscured completely by this witless, all-or-nothing celebration of “Ukraine.”

Thus we are reliving the dark days of 2014, and the dark years thereafter, when the glaring evidence of Nazi criminality enabled by the US coup was systematically blacked out, and even pointedly denied, by “our free press”—most notably the New York Times, which, back then, set the tone for the vast whitewash that the media are now conducting daily. (For the best critique of that grave journalistic failure, or complicity, read Robert Parry’s Ukraine coverage in Consortium News.

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/06/robert-parry-when-us-house-saw-ukraines-neo-nazis/)

And—speaking of the Times—this moment also harks back even farther, to the Thirties, when the Nazi terror in Germany was largely whitewashed by the Gray Lady and most other Western media, so that those who were aware of what was happening under Hitler, and grasped the urgency of waking people up to it, did all they could to spread the word. Those few heroic efforts included the British publication, in 1936, of The Yellow Spot, an anonymously authored exposé of the anti-Jewish persecution launched as soon as Hitler came to power, and, in France, the intrepid journalism of Phillipe Soupault (who was imprisoned by the Nazis in 1940).

https://www.abebooks.com/first-edition/Yellow-Spot-Outlawing-Half-Million-Human/30057035220/bd?source=patrick.net

(On the New York Times’ Nazi-friendly reportage—especially by the Hitler-smitten Otto Tolischus—see Ashley Rindsberg’s indispensable The Gray Lady Winked: https://www.thegrayladywinked.com/.)

For a good retrospective on the Nazis in Ukraine since the so-called “Maidan revolution” in February, 2014, see Eric Zeusse’s comprehensive article in Global Research (link below); and/or watch, and read, the grim material noted here, if you have the stomach for it.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/evidence-ukraine-been-run-nazis-since-february-2014/5772997?source=patrick.net

(Whereas the ongoing celebration of “Ukraine” by “our free press” is classic propaganda, just like the Allied propaganda over “Belgium” in World War I, or the US/British propaganda over “Kuwait” in 1990, the harrowing material described herein is not propaganda, since propaganda isn’t buried here and there, requiring disinterment by some lone professor, and his underpaid assistant, for the enlightenment of a few thousand people reading Substack. Any “propaganda” that takes so much effort to dig up may, certainly, be questioned, or doubted, or found to be inaccurate or false; but “propaganda” it most certainly is not, unless it should be systematically deployed as such.)

From Dylan Harnett:

When people receive these links, they should know that these aren't necessarily safe sites to go on. I recommend having anti-malware software on your computer and to disable pop-ups. You might want to disable cookies as well. Surf the web at your own risk.

Website with hours of footage--some of it extremely graphic--from the 2010s of and about Ukrainian authorities' crimes against civilians in Eastern Ukraine

Lots of footage, including a few Ukrainian girls doing Nazi salutes; hundreds of Ukrainians in a stadium jumping up and down and chanting "whoever doesn't jump is a dirty moskal" (slur against Russian people); accounts from the people of east Ukraine of the shelling by the Ukrainian authorities; and graphic footage of corpses. DISTURBING:

https://crimes-of-ukraine.ru/?source=patrick.net

Documentary Donbass by Anne-Laure Bonnel

DISTURBING:

It starts with Poroshenko in 2014 saying, "We will have work and they [people in east Ukraine] will not. We will have pensions and they will not; We will have benefits for pensioners and children and they will not; Our children will go to school and their children will stay in the cellars. Because they can't do anything. And that's how, precisely that, we will win this war."

September 10, 2014. "Ukrainian Nationalist Volunteers Committing 'ISIS-Style' War Crimes." Newsweek.

The article mentions "images of what appeared to be the severed heads" of two civilian separatists--presumably killed by Ukrainian nationalists--that went viral on social media in 2014. Oddly enough, those images have become difficult to find. If you have information about where to find them, please contact us. https://www.newsweek.com/evidence-war-crimes-committed-ukrainian-nationalist-volunteers-grows-269604?source=patrick.net

Ukrainian extremists (probably the Neo-Nazi ones though I am not sure) brutally torture an anti-war, pro-separatist, and Jewish MMA fighter named Maxim Ryndovskiy

An article that does not show the unsettling images or video of the torture: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/03/09/umma-m09.html?source=patrick.net

Disturbing video of the torture:

Twitter avatar for @politblogme
Maria Dubovikova
@politblogme
In Kyiv, local [I don’t know to fucking call them] extremists caught and brutally torture a famous Ukrainian athlete, MMA fighter, Maxim Ryndovsky. All his fault is that he trained with the Chechen club "Akhmat".
March 5th 2022

"Right Sector" Ukrainian Neo-Nazis Tried to Assassinate Politician Vyacheslav Sobolev, But Instead, They Killed His Three-year-old Son

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/12/07/ukra-d06.html?source=patrick.net

Video of Alleged Ukrainian Nationalists Stopping a Civilian in His Car, then Gunning Him Down When He Tries to Run. The date was February 26, 2022 (purportedly or actually).

WARNING: Do NOT go exploring on the site at the link below unless you are ready to avert your eyes from some really weird, gory videos. If you click on the link and don't scroll further down than the video, you will just see lots of porn ads. But that's the least of it. If you were to click on other parts of the site, or if you just scrolled down directly below the video, you might come across images that you will quickly try to erase from your memory. The site's audience are probably sadists who enjoy to see things that would be repugnant to most people. (It's called "alivegore" for a reason.) The porn ads are so big that when you click on the link you will basically see nudity right away. Porn sites might pop up on your computer without your knowledge:

NSFW, GORE https://alivegore.com/war/2947-nationalists-with-weapons-in-their-hands-terrorize-local-residents-kyiv-ukraine.html?source=patrick.net

It's the 2nd video when you scroll down. The 1st video shows more alleged Ukrainian nationalist soldiers, who appear to threaten a civilian at gunpoint.

Tank shoots at civilians in the street. Supposedly the tank is Ukrainian-nationalist.

SEE THE ABOVE WARNING ABOUT THIS SITE. NSFW, GORE. https://alivegore.com/war/2935-bmp-4-of-ukrainian-nationalists-shoots-from-a-cannon-in-the-city.html?source=patrick.net

A Billboard allegedly reads "Zelensky Stop Shooting At Civilians, The Russians Are Not Here" in Russian
SAME SITE, SAME WARNING APPLIES. NSFW, GORE: https://alivegore.com/war/2960-the-inscription-in-russian-zelensky-stop-shooting-at-civilians-the-russians-are-not-here.html?source=patrick.net

Maxim Yarosh, Prominent Azov member, beats up a woman.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/exclusive-bidens-friends-ukraine-include-neo-nazi-azov-battalion-known-brutal-attacks-immigrants-gypsies-transvestites/?source=patrick.net

Ukrainian nationalists barging into the house of, being rough with, and kidnapping a man who allegedly keeps weapons for the separatists.

There is some debate in the comments--in the Ukrainian language--about whether the man really kept weapons for the Separatists or not.

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65   RWSGFY   2022 Aug 27, 9:45am  

More real and dangerous Nazis found in Germany:

https://mobile.twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1563094037728337920
67   RWSGFY   2022 Sep 21, 7:23pm  

And just like that so-called "Azov Nazis" whom Putler swore to "prosecute" (for god knows what) are allowed to go free as birds from the Ruscist custody. Yes, including commanders.

I told you the whole Nazi thing was bullshit, didn't I? Yes I did. I fucking did.🥇
68   Ceffer   2022 Sep 21, 7:32pm  

Just because you have tattoos of Hitler, wermacht eagles, SS lightening bolts and swastikas doesn't mean you are a nazi. Some prisoner exchanges (Five Azov nazi commanders) are going to Turkey and won't be going back to Ukraine until after hostilities cease.

https://t.me/WeTheMedia/75690
69   RWSGFY   2022 Sep 21, 7:55pm  

Ceffer says


Just because you have tattoos of Hitler, wermacht eagles, SS lightening bolts and swastikas doesn't mean you are a nazi. Those prisoner exchanges are going to Turkey and won't be going back to Ukraine until after hostilities cease.

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No pictures of any Hitler tattoos on any of the prisoners with a name and face, no prosecution for anything, free as birds. The whole bullshit Nazi narrative has collapsed and fizzled.

Meanwhile in Moscow:



Name, face, associates. Hopefully prosecution later too.

Remember: Ruscists always lie and project. No exception.
70   Patrick   2022 Sep 21, 7:57pm  

@RWSGFY Read about Stepan Bandera.
71   RWSGFY   2022 Sep 21, 8:03pm  

Patrick says


@RWSGFY Read about Stepan Bandera.


I did. The guy was a Ukrainian freedom fighter and a prisoner of Nazi death camp from early July of 1941.

So not sure what are you implying here. Oh, I see: he fought against Ruscists occupation way into the 1950s and WE CAN'T HAVE THAT!!!
72   richwicks   2022 Sep 22, 9:46am  

RWSGFY says


Patrick says


@RWSGFY Read about Stepan Bandera.


I did. The guy was a Ukrainian freedom fighter and a prisoner of Nazi death camp from early July of 1941.

So not sure what are you implying here. Oh, I see: he fought against Ruscists occupation way into the 1950s and WE CAN'T HAVE THAT!!!



Well, correct this article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera


Stepan Andrijowycz Bandera; 1 January 1909 – 15 October 1959) was a Ukrainian far-right leader of the radical wing of Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists named OUN-B. Bandera's organization was devoted to the independence of Ukraine but was also responsible for the ethnic cleansing, pogroms, implicated in collaboration with Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.
74   Eric Holder   2022 Oct 4, 5:32pm  

richwicks says


Well, correct this article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera


Oh, wikipedia is now a solid source? LOL. Nice to know.

Gee, somebody said "he was responsible" and suddenly our sceptiest of all sceptics is persuaded. He did all the horrible crimes while being locked up in the Sachsenhausen? What a Houdini!

OK, how about another fact: USSR wanted Bandera's oraganization - UPA - and him personally to be indicted under Nuremberg process as "Nazi collaborants" by bringing the exact accusations Ruscists like you keep bringing up to this very day. Guess what - their "proof" was reviewed and rejected by the same court that hanged all the real Nazis. Bandera lived free man in Munich up until 1959 when he was assasinated by the KGB. Yes, of course, in your world the only thing this proves is that THE WEST IS NAZIST, NAZIST, NAZIST!!!!

Bless your heart.

PS. BTW, WTF some guy dead for 50+ years has to do with justifications for all the Ruscist war crimes in Ukraine?

PPS. And how come all the modern supposedly "Nazis" from Azov battalion who were captured in Mariupol were allowed to go free? Including their commanders. I mean, didn't Ruscia have solid evidence of their supposed Nazist crimes? What gives? Is Pukin a Nazi collaborator covering for his Nazi friends?
75   richwicks   2022 Oct 4, 6:50pm  

Eric Holder says


richwicks says


Well, correct this article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera


Oh, wikipedia is now a solid source? LOL. Nice to know



No, it's not a solid source.

But you're not a source at all.

All I've ever seen from you, is mindlessness. Demonstrate you can think and reason. I don't really believe you're a real person. Every group is infiltrated, I just think you're one of them. This is why you don't show any ability to think, you're not paid to do that.
76   Patrick   2022 Oct 4, 11:24pm  

RWSGFY says

So not sure what are you implying here.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-of-ukrainian-nationalists-march-in-in-honor-of-nazi-collaborator/


Hundreds of Ukrainian nationalists march in honor of Nazi collaborator
Stepan Bandera led Ukrainian Insurgent Army, which fought alongside Nazi Germany during WWII, killing thousands of Jews and Poles
77   richwicks   2022 Oct 5, 10:43pm  

Patrick says


Hundreds of Ukrainian nationalists march in honor of Nazi collaborator
Stepan Bandera led Ukrainian Insurgent Army, which fought alongside Nazi Germany during WWII, killing thousands of Jews and Poles


I used to think these were all intelligence agency actions. I still think they are, but there are so many more NPC's than I ever realized.

I have to admit, I'm not comfortable leading, but I'm even far less uncomfortable following. The (apparent?) mindlessness of people is almost inhuman to me. I never realized how few people think.

I understand the contempt so-called leaders have for the population. Imagine being the person that was at the top telling people they had to get a vaccination and wear a mask for a disease that has a 99.8% probability of surviving, and having MOST of them comply? I slum around and ride the bus here every now and then, there was a bus driver that was in a PANIC over this which I will never forget. I can feel the disgust of "our leaders". I know a person that I believe is afraid of me entering her home because I'm open about not being vaccinated. Think I don't feel contempt for this person? They'll believe anything.

And it's not hatred I feel either, it's just kind of intense disappointment. This person can't do basic reasoning. It's kind of disgusting. I'm no disease expert or biologist, but I can reason. She can't. They're on autopilot their entire lives.
78   Bd6r   2022 Oct 6, 6:01am  

Patrick says

Nazis in Ukraine

Are these Nazis, or brainwashed NWO objects, or something else?
81   fdhfoiehfeoi   2022 Oct 6, 10:57am  

Eric Holder says

PPS. And how come all the modern supposedly "Nazis" from Azov battalion who were captured in Mariupol were allowed to go free? Including their commanders. I mean, didn't Ruscia have solid evidence of their supposed Nazist crimes? What gives? Is Pukin a Nazi collaborator covering for his Nazi friends?


When you are confronted with the fact that you support Nazi's, and your only argument is to point out other Nazi's to try and level the playing field, that's fucked. I mean if you supported a government who engaged in genocide, would you excuse it by pointing to other genocides, because then it's ok for you to support wiping an ethnicity from the face of the earth?

At this point, I think it would be more appropriate to do some introspection on the damage you are doing to your soul.
82   RWSGFY   2022 Oct 24, 10:02am  

Nazis are pulling another trick from their playbook:

Sigfried line then:



Wagner line now:



So it's real, folks!
83   Patrick   2022 Oct 26, 11:14am  

In 2019 the ADL was warning about the Nazi Azov group in Ukraine:



https://www.adl.org/resources/reports/hate-beyond-borders-the-internationalization-of-white-supremacy

But now they are strangely quiet about the Azov Nazis, lol. I think they were told to shut up about it because the US wants to use them against Russia.
84   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Oct 26, 2:01pm  

adl is very full of shit type, wouldn’t trust them
85   charlie303   2022 Oct 26, 2:09pm  

I see a Satanic Cabal behind both the Azov Nazis and the vaccines. I think they are failing and are very nearly defeated, but not yet, so I’m keeping my guard up and praying, with love in my heart, for victory against them.
87   RWSGFY   2023 Feb 3, 11:58am  

Patrick says


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/01/meta-facebook-takes-ukraines-nazi-azov-regiment-off-dangerous-organizations-list/


Meta-Facebook Takes Ukraine’s Nazi Azov Regiment Off Dangerous Organizations List






That picture has been proven to be fake so many times already it's not funny. But it's irrelevant now since ALL Azov fighters and commanders captured in Mariupol have been released by Pukin w/o trial which was promised to be held to prove their alleged "Nazi crimes". And not a single picture of "Hitler and swastika tattoos" allegedly covering their bodies have been released either.

So no, Nazis in Ukraine are not real, because there is no proof of their existence. No Nazi party in power, not even Nazi party in the parliament. Zero, zilch, nada.

The whole "Ukrainians are Nazis" is just Russian confession through projection.


88   richwicks   2023 Feb 3, 12:43pm  

RWSGFY says

That picture has been proven to be fake so many times already it's not funny. But it's irrelevant now since ALL Azov fighters and commanders captured in Mariupol have been released by Pukin w/o trial which was promised to be held to prove their alleged "Nazi crimes". And not a single picture of "Hitler and swastika tattoos" allegedly covering their bodies have been released either.


Jesus Christ, either do some minimal research, or quit lying. Whatever.

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/08/31/jon-stewart-pentagon-ukrainian-nazi-disney/




Quit being a willing dupe of our crummy government. The United States federal government HAS no ethics, this is why they brought back slavery to Libya after bombing it to "prevent a humanitarian crisis" - they don't give a shit. The US government funded and supported Al Qaeda in Syria as well as ISIS. Quit playing dumb.

We can see what they are doing. The longer you ignore it, the more they will continue to do it. If you don't demand SOME sort of morality of the US federal government, they will show no morality. Quit being part of the problem. Quit enabling them. Show some fucking decency.
89   richwicks   2023 Feb 3, 1:00pm  

cisTits says


richwicks says


Jesus Christ, either do some minimal research, or quit lying. Whatever.


They aren't called the Ukey Nazi Fluffers of PatNet for nuthhin'.



I have to assume ignorance rather than intentional deception.

I can know they are wrong, what I can't know is if they are intentionally wrong - I don't know intent and it's wrong to assume it.

There's PLENTY of evidence that there are legitimate "Nazis" in Ukraine, although they have little in common with the ideology of the German Nazis. They are just super nationalists that will happily kill anybody that isn't "one of them". That's not what the German Nazis really were although I'm certain SOME of them were. The German core ideal was Germany for Germans and to purify and improve the population. That's really not a bad goal in some aspects, but it can be perverted to be one pretty easily.

Ukrainian Nazis are just super-nationalists and don't view Russian Ukrainians as "real Ukrainians". They are kind of like the stupid KKK, except they are by far, a minority in the country, and are bound to get their asses kicked.
90   AmericanKulak   2023 Feb 3, 2:24pm  

richwicks says

The German core ideal was Germany for Germans and to purify and improve the population

No, it was for Eastern Europe to be New Germania in lieu of overseas colonies.

Mein Kampf devotes a whole chapter to Hitler proving that Eastern Europeans need German overlordship using Tuetonic Order, Vasas in Poland's Monarch, and several Russian Noble Houses of German extraction, as well as Russia itself being founded by Vikings.
91   richwicks   2023 Feb 3, 9:06pm  

AmericanKulak says


Mein Kampf devotes a whole chapter to Hitler proving that Eastern Europeans need German overlordship using Tuetonic Order, Vasas in Poland's Monarch, and several Russian Noble Houses of German extraction, as well as Russia itself being founded by Vikings.


@AmericanKulak - which chapter?

https://der-fuehrer.org/meinkampf/english/Mein%20Kampf%20(Ford%20Translation).pdf

I've actually read the book, and my overall impression was "nobody actually reads this fucking book!" I've forgotten most of it. I was basically reading it looking for it's supposed anti-Semitism, I only remember one chapter that covered it. It was more about the economics of fascism as I recall and the unity of the nation. Maybe I should punish myself and re-read it again.
92   AmericanKulak   2023 Feb 4, 11:24am  

richwicks says


AmericanKulak says


Mein Kampf devotes a whole chapter to Hitler proving that Eastern Europeans need German overlordship using Tuetonic Order, Vasas in Poland's Monarch, and several Russian Noble Houses of German extraction, as well as Russia itself being founded by Vikings.


AmericanKulak - which chapter?

https://der-fuehrer.org/meinkampf/english/Mein%20Kampf%20(Ford%20Translation).pdf

I've actually read the book, and my overall impression was "nobody actually reads this fucking book!" I've forgotten most of it. I was basically reading it looking for it's supposed anti-Semitism, I only remember one chapter that covered it. It was more about the economics of fascism as I recall and the unity of the nation. Maybe I should punish mysel...


Page 440 of that translation specifically talks about expanding into what will be called the "Ostmark" as a necessity for Germany, in order to be a World Power and thus defend itself against others. In the same chapter, he makes it clear that a return to Germany's Pre WW1 borders are "Not enough" eliminating the apologists' assertion that the NSDAP just wanted a return to Bismarckian borders.

On Page 445 of that PDF he refers enthusiastically to the Colonization and Expansionist policies of the Teutonic Order as well as mentioning the Germanic overlords of Slavic Areas, further expanding on his "Ostmark" (East Frontier) plans.

Between those pages he lambasts Shared Ethno-state apologists; for wanting an ethno-state for both Germans and everyone, sneering (correctly for the most part) than borders are man-drawn and man-created. Tough shit for the Poles and Russians and Slavs in our needed space. Throughout this portion of the document he correctly discusses that States are powerful not as a measure of themselves, but only in comparison/relative to each other. In other words, it's not just what I have, but what you have and what you can bring to bear against me.

He does not, however, recognize that there is a Depth vs. Reach situation. That is, a civilization can be small but very developed, another civ can broad but only lightly developed. Modern Germany's economic powress vs. Russia (or even Italy's vs. Russia's)
93   AmericanKulak   2023 Feb 4, 11:37am  

I would also state that the italics provided by the editor/translator are strongly biased. For example, his italic excusing of Barbarossa that Hitler expected to only have to intervene in a Russian Revolution rather than invading in the 1920s (p 445), even though Hitler's own words on the proceeding pages are about his desire to utilize Russian land for German Purposes, not as a liberator from Jew Communism.
94   Patrick   2023 Feb 11, 4:32pm  

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1624192642027323392?ref_src=patrick.net


Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald
American liberals think anyone who isn't a Democrat is a Nazi. They see a red MAGA hat and think its a swastika and them wearer in jail.

Then they finally find real Nazis in Ukraine and plead for them to be armed and funded, while the NYT reveres them:

The New York Times
@nytimes
·
Oct 4, 2022
Commanders of Ukraine’s Azov Battalion held an emotional reunion with their families in Turkey, Ukrainian officials said. The fighters were released from Russian confinement last month as part of the largest prisoner swap since the start of the war.
95   Ceffer   2023 Feb 11, 4:57pm  

"The Conspirator's Hierarchy" by John Coleman (early 90's) takes a jaundiced view of ADL. Of course, their recent embracing of Ukrainian Nazis seems to jive with Benjamin Fulford's remarks that Mossad has stated the seemingly contradictory premise Khazarian Mafia were always allied with the Nazis at some level.






96   RayAmerica   2023 Feb 12, 7:18am  

EXCLUSIVE: Is Ukraine Using Chemical Weapons? Disturbing VIDEO Indicates There Is Sufficient Circumstantial Evidence to Investigate (Warning on Content)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/exclusive-ukraine-using-chemical-weapons-warning-disturbing-video-indicates-sufficient-circumstantial-evidence-investigate/
102   RWSGFY   2023 Feb 24, 11:13am  

Eric Holder says

As real as it gets:

https://twitter.com/georgian_legion/status/1628891508488261632?ref_src=patrick.net


ZELENSKY IN THAT VIDEO REPEATS HITLER PRACTICALLY VERBATIM!!!! I'M A BELIEVER IN UKIE JOO NAZISM NOW!!!!
103   richwicks   2023 Feb 24, 9:37pm  

RWSGFY says

Eric Holder says


As real as it gets:

https://twitter.com/georgian_legion/status/1628891508488261632?ref_src=patrick.net


ZELENSKY IN THAT VIDEO REPEATS HITLER PRACTICALLY VERBATIM!!!! I'M A BELIEVER IN UKIE JOO NAZISM NOW!!!!

Haha.

The article is:

"Why would a Jewish President work with Nazis?"

https://ryandawson.substack.com/p/why-would-a-jewish-president-work

And it's not the first time that Zionists aligned themselves with Nazis to further their own interests:

This is the Haavara Agreement:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement

Zionism is a political tool intertwined with Jewish supremacy. There have been many times that goals of they and their (later) enemies coincided.
104   AmericanKulak   2023 Feb 24, 10:30pm  

AmericanKulak says

Vasas in Poland's Monarch

I should mention that the House of Vasa (Wasa) are a Swedish Royal House, that one branch were invited to Poland as Kings (much like the House of Saxe-Coburg in the UK) was the basis for later Swedish Claims on ruling Poland. They ruled Poland from the late 1500s to around 1700.

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