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Moscow and Kiev may soon come to agreement – Russian negotiator.
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2022 Mar 13, 11:34am 1,178 views 23 comments
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Ceffer
2022 Mar 13, 12:14pm
Ceffer
2022 Mar 13, 12:14pm
"If you like your Nazis, you can keep your Nazis."
Mikhail Podolyak: "It only looks like Ukraine is losing, when we are really gloriously winning!" "Using those nuns as human shields worked! It really, really worked!"
Mikhail Podolyak: "It only looks like Ukraine is losing, when we are really gloriously winning!" "Using those nuns as human shields worked! It really, really worked!"
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mell
2022 Mar 13, 12:22pm
Propaganda! Deboonked! We are at war with Eurasia and always have been! Seriously though, good if that unfolds, can't wait for this shit to be over and my friends to be safe.
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Ceffer
2022 Mar 13, 12:26pm
Ceffer
2022 Mar 13, 12:26pm
"Soon come to an agreement" aka "mutually deceiving each other while re-positioning assets and logistics"?
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clambo
2022 Mar 13, 2:01pm
Putin has a clear grasp of the obvious; he lost.
Maybe he will come up with some bullshit terms to stop NATO from supplying missiles to Ukraine.
He just dragged Russia backwards for a few decades in pursuit of an impossible dream.
Maybe he will come up with some bullshit terms to stop NATO from supplying missiles to Ukraine.
He just dragged Russia backwards for a few decades in pursuit of an impossible dream.
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ChauvinsKnee
2022 Mar 13, 10:54pm
ChauvinsKnee
2022 Mar 13, 10:54pm
FJB says
.... and making a living on Pornhub.
Al_Sharpton_for_President saysSlutsky
That would be my last name if I were Russian.
.... and making a living on Pornhub.
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ChauvinsKnee
2022 Mar 13, 10:55pm
ChauvinsKnee
2022 Mar 13, 10:55pm
mell says
You have friends in Russian military?
Propaganda! Deboonked! We are at war with Eurasia and always have been! Seriously though, good if that unfolds, can't wait for this shit to be over and my friends to be safe.
You have friends in Russian military?
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Ceffer
2022 Mar 13, 11:31pm
Ceffer
2022 Mar 13, 11:31pm
Russia does not want to 'conquer and occupy' Ukraine. Ukraine and its poor population (with a few oligarchs, war lords, and criminal international politicians/adventurers) would just be a financial and resource burden as it now stands. 'Winning' for Russia would be based on more limited goals.
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Patrick
2022 Mar 13, 11:34pm
Patrick
2022 Mar 13, 11:34pm
If Putin gets the Russian speaking regions and certainty that Ukraine will not join NATO, that might be enough for him.
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WookieMan
2022 Mar 14, 4:22am
WookieMan
2022 Mar 14, 4:22am
Patrick says
Eh, is that really a victory? Invading a country so a few oligarchs can make more money and the "dreadful" NATO stays away? NATO won't do shit anyway even if Ukraine joins.
Wishful thinking, but at some point Russians will put the bottle of Vodka down and start to question what the fuck is going on. As with most modern wars there's no victory and the invading country looks like an ass and destroys another one. Offensive war just doesn't make sense anymore in my world view. The public is still dumb, but they're more informed than ever which is not good when wanting to start a war that you might lose.
If Putin gets the Russian speaking regions and certainty that Ukraine will not join NATO, that might be enough for him.
Eh, is that really a victory? Invading a country so a few oligarchs can make more money and the "dreadful" NATO stays away? NATO won't do shit anyway even if Ukraine joins.
Wishful thinking, but at some point Russians will put the bottle of Vodka down and start to question what the fuck is going on. As with most modern wars there's no victory and the invading country looks like an ass and destroys another one. Offensive war just doesn't make sense anymore in my world view. The public is still dumb, but they're more informed than ever which is not good when wanting to start a war that you might lose.
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zzyzzx
2022 Mar 14, 5:08am
zzyzzx
2022 Mar 14, 5:08am
FJB says
That's a real last name. I knew a guy who had that last name.
Al_Sharpton_for_President saysSlutsky
That would be my last name if I were Russian.
That's a real last name. I knew a guy who had that last name.
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richwicks
2022 Mar 14, 5:17am
richwicks
2022 Mar 14, 5:17am
WookieMan says
PROVIDED you can trust the source:
https://www.rt.com/russia/551763-georgia-nato-exercises-computer/?source=patrick.net
Apparently NATO and Georgia are holding join military exercises - you know the country, the one that would never be allowed to join NATO just like Ukraine and borders Russia? The country that attacked S. Ossetia, and S. Ossetia requested aid from Russia and got it and was kicked out in a day?
Patrick saysIf Putin gets the Russian speaking regions and certainty that Ukraine will not join NATO, that might be enough for him.
Eh, is that really a victory? Invading a country so a few oligarchs can make more money and the "dreadful" NATO stays away? NATO won't do shit anyway even if Ukraine joins.
PROVIDED you can trust the source:
https://www.rt.com/russia/551763-georgia-nato-exercises-computer/?source=patrick.net
Apparently NATO and Georgia are holding join military exercises - you know the country, the one that would never be allowed to join NATO just like Ukraine and borders Russia? The country that attacked S. Ossetia, and S. Ossetia requested aid from Russia and got it and was kicked out in a day?
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clambo
2022 Mar 14, 7:34am
Putin fucked up big-time.
NATO was never going to invade Russia.
Now Poland is going to get armed to the teeth.
The trust the West mistakenly had in Russia is gone.
Putin can destroy buildings and not much else.
I was not surprised at all by the ridiculously poor performance of the Russian military; they have bad training and aren't volunteers.
Maybe tanks are going the way of the battleship; made obsolete by a high tech weapon.
NATO was never going to invade Russia.
Now Poland is going to get armed to the teeth.
The trust the West mistakenly had in Russia is gone.
Putin can destroy buildings and not much else.
I was not surprised at all by the ridiculously poor performance of the Russian military; they have bad training and aren't volunteers.
Maybe tanks are going the way of the battleship; made obsolete by a high tech weapon.
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HeadSet
2022 Mar 14, 3:35pm
HeadSet
2022 Mar 14, 3:35pm
zzyzzx says
So you knew a guy whose mom and sisters were "Slutskys?"
FJB saysAl_Sharpton_for_President saysSlutsky
That would be my last name if I were Russian.
That's a real last name. I knew a guy who had that last name.
So you knew a guy whose mom and sisters were "Slutskys?"
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AmericanKulak
2022 Mar 14, 5:12pm
AmericanKulak
2022 Mar 14, 5:12pm
Patrick says
I think he'll give up Donbas, or at least agree to autonomous region status within Ukraine, for recognition of Crimea and Neutrality.
If Putin gets the Russian speaking regions and certainty that Ukraine will not join NATO, that might be enough for him.
I think he'll give up Donbas, or at least agree to autonomous region status within Ukraine, for recognition of Crimea and Neutrality.
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Misc
2022 Mar 15, 2:57am
The US just passed the legislation giving aid $ to the Ukraine. The EU did the same last week.
Zelenski now has no reason to continue the war. He has his corruption $ now. As if any coin would actually go to the Ukranian people.
It is one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. With the GDP per capita at about $3k.
That "aid" money is gone to the kleptocracy.
Zelenski now has no reason to continue the war. He has his corruption $ now. As if any coin would actually go to the Ukranian people.
It is one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. With the GDP per capita at about $3k.
That "aid" money is gone to the kleptocracy.
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zzyzzx
2022 Mar 15, 4:58am
zzyzzx
2022 Mar 15, 4:58am
HeadSet says
Yes. Except I have no idea if he had any sisters.
So you knew a guy whose mom and sisters were "Slutskys?"
Yes. Except I have no idea if he had any sisters.
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mostly reader
2022 Mar 15, 10:05am
> Al_Sharpton_for_President
Russia is desperate to get out of the situation into which it pulled itself. No one, NO ONE expected that Ukraine would put up a fight that it's putting up and that Zelensky would turn out a leader that he turned out to be.
Putler will be happy with token concessions if he can sell those concessions to his people. He just doesn't want to be seen as a loser, even after the propaganda machine does what it usually does. Putin's brides won't remain his brides if he can't keep that alpha image.
Here's what I think will happen:
- Ukraine will not accept anything that will make it smaller than it used to be. It will keep eastern regions, and probably this time it will keep it for real. I.e. no more Russia-sponsored militants.
- There will be a token gesture. Something like staying away from NATO (which has already happened de facto, NATO is not taking Ukraine). Something that will allow him claim victory to Russians without being too much of laughing stock.
- Crimea? I don't know. On one hand, it's been annexed. On the other, it's an important token for Russians. Leaving Crimea to Ukrainians would make it super difficult to claim victory, even with all the help from propaganda machine.
- There may be something else involved, in terms of reparations.
That's my understanding of the current situation, for what it's worth.
Russia is desperate to get out of the situation into which it pulled itself. No one, NO ONE expected that Ukraine would put up a fight that it's putting up and that Zelensky would turn out a leader that he turned out to be.
Putler will be happy with token concessions if he can sell those concessions to his people. He just doesn't want to be seen as a loser, even after the propaganda machine does what it usually does. Putin's brides won't remain his brides if he can't keep that alpha image.
Here's what I think will happen:
- Ukraine will not accept anything that will make it smaller than it used to be. It will keep eastern regions, and probably this time it will keep it for real. I.e. no more Russia-sponsored militants.
- There will be a token gesture. Something like staying away from NATO (which has already happened de facto, NATO is not taking Ukraine). Something that will allow him claim victory to Russians without being too much of laughing stock.
- Crimea? I don't know. On one hand, it's been annexed. On the other, it's an important token for Russians. Leaving Crimea to Ukrainians would make it super difficult to claim victory, even with all the help from propaganda machine.
- There may be something else involved, in terms of reparations.
That's my understanding of the current situation, for what it's worth.
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Patrick
2022 Mar 15, 10:21am
Patrick
2022 Mar 15, 10:21am
Misc says
Maybe this means Hunter will get a big raise for his job on the board of Burisima.
A lot (maybe most?) US "aid" is actually funneled back to corrupt US politicians, making Ukraine a lovely place for them to "work".
The US just passed the legislation giving aid $ to the Ukraine. The EU did the same last week.
Zelenski now has no reason to continue the war. He has his corruption $ now. As if any coin would actually go to the Ukranian people.
It is one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. With the GDP per capita at about $3k.
That "aid" money is gone to the kleptocracy.
Maybe this means Hunter will get a big raise for his job on the board of Burisima.
A lot (maybe most?) US "aid" is actually funneled back to corrupt US politicians, making Ukraine a lovely place for them to "work".
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RWSGFY
2023 Sep 5, 7:59pm
RWSGFY
2023 Sep 5, 7:59pm
Trollhole says
Was this posted in the predictions thread? Well, we'll mercilessly mock it here then.
Well? Where is the 'agreement'?
Was this posted in the predictions thread? Well, we'll mercilessly mock it here then.
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RWSGFY
2023 Sep 5, 8:03pm
RWSGFY
2023 Sep 5, 8:03pm
Patrick says
Hunter has exited that "job" in 2019 when pro-Soviet (at the time) Zelensky came to power on the platform
of "meeting Pukin in the middle" and the need to protect Soviet assets there from "horrible nationalist Poroshenko" ceased to exist. Burisma owner - Zlochevsky - even returned from his exile in Switzerland where he fled in Feb of 2014.
Misc says
The US just passed the legislation giving aid $ to the Ukraine. The EU did the same last week.
Zelenski now has no reason to continue the war. He has his corruption $ now. As if any coin would actually go to the Ukranian people.
It is one of the most corrupt countries on the planet. With the GDP per capita at about $3k.
That "aid" money is gone to the kleptocracy.
Maybe this means Hunter will get a big raise for his job on the board of Burisima.
A lot (maybe most?) US "aid" is actually funneled back to corrupt US politicians, making Ukraine a lovely place for them to "work".
Hunter has exited that "job" in 2019 when pro-Soviet (at the time) Zelensky came to power on the platform
of "meeting Pukin in the middle" and the need to protect Soviet assets there from "horrible nationalist Poroshenko" ceased to exist. Burisma owner - Zlochevsky - even returned from his exile in Switzerland where he fled in Feb of 2014.
A member of the Russian negotiating team, Leonid Slutsky, has said he believes the “significant progress” he has observed in talks between Moscow and Kiev might soon lead the two sides in the conflict to sign an agreement.
Speaking to RT Arabic on Sunday, Slutsky – who also chairs the State Duma’s Committee on International Affairs – said, “If we compare the positions of both delegations at the talks, at the very beginning and today, we see significant progress.”
“I am happy to report that, according to my personal expectations, in the next few days, this progress may develop into a joint position of the delegations and into documents to sign.”
Slutsky stressed that signing such documents would be a matter of “paramount importance,” as it would provide a basis for de-escalation and for “saving many people who are dying today.”
Russia has consistently accused Ukrainian “nationalists” of using civilians as cover and of preventing their evacuation through humanitarian corridors. Slutsky described these alleged actions as “monstrous” in their “cynicism,” but said the crisis would be addressed “in the very near future.” Kiev has consistently denied it has obstructed the evacuation, and blamed Russian shelling for preventing the safe passage of people.
Ukraine has nonetheless apparently witnessed some progress in the negotiations, too. Presidential aide Mikhail Podolyak said in an interview with the Russian newspaper Kommersant that the two sides were approaching a compromise. He opined that the Russian side was “already seeing things much more adequately,” but noted that it would likely be some time before it “fully, 100%, understands the situation it has got into.”
Podolyak said he sees any agreement between Kiev and Moscow as being in the form of a “multi-component” document. It should include provisions on the termination of the war, the terms and time schedule of the withdrawal of the Russian forces, the guaranteed terms of the peace agreement, and a detailed description of compensation mechanisms, he stressed, as recovery efforts would likely amount to “billions of dollars.”
Moscow attacked its neighbor in late February, following a seven-year standoff over Ukraine’s failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements, and Russia’s eventual recognition of the Donbass republics of Donetsk and Lugansk. The German- and French-brokered protocols had been designed to regularize the status of those regions within the Ukrainian state.
Russia has now demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join the US-led NATO military bloc. Kiev insists the Russian offensive was completely unprovoked and has denied claims it was planning to retake the two republics by force.
https://www.rt.com/russia/551816-russia-ukraine-negotiations-progress/?source=patrick.net