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richwicks says

indc says

By that logic US overthrew UKraine's regime in 2014, you shouldn't have problem with russian operation.

I don't have a problem with Russia's operation.

My question was for Eric. You want US to stop with its aggression, and I too agree with it. That was the reason I did not like Biden, he was always trying to pick a fight with russia and we got one. This just gives upper hand to China now and that is a major concern for me.

indc says

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

The US has bombed Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia.

Nothing of that would have happened if Russia didn't overtrow Syria in 1961, Libya in 1969, Iraq in 1958, Afghanistan in 1978, Yemen in 1967 and Somalia in 1969...

By that logic US overthrew UKraine's regime in 2014, you shouldn't have problem with russian operation.

A person with principles either has problem with all operations or no problem with any them. Then there is "blame America first, polish Putin's knob" characters who cry over dead Saddam but cheer over dead babuska's and raped 12 yo in Bucha...

richwicks says

The US government today has absolutely no standards. The US will support ANY group, ANY group that opposes the enemy du-jour. Anybody. Nazi, Communist, Islamic, war criminal, mass murders, anybody. Our government has NO STANDARDS today. It's disgusting.

They had to destroy democracy to save it.

We need an American Salesman of the year.

MTG was just asked in Court by Dems trying to make it impossible for her to run again, why she said 1776, which they called a call for violence.

She replied by noticing it was on the Seal of the State of Georgia, above the Judge's head, who laughed at the absurdity of the Anti-American Left plaintiffs.

There is LITERALLY NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW THAN SAVING AMERICA.

RWSGFY says

indc says

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

The US has bombed Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia.

Nothing of that would have happened if Russia didn't overtrow Syria in 1961, Libya in 1969, Iraq in 1958, Afghanistan in 1978, Yemen in 1967 and Somalia in 1969...

By that logic US overthrew UKraine's regime in 2014, you shouldn't have problem with russian operation.

A person with principles either has problem with all operations or no problem with any them.

America first. America == people of this nation, NOT the criminal syndicate that controls it. That's why it's a republic, and not a dictatorship. They are not synonymous.

America first does not mean I'll cheer on a US invasion of a foreign country to improve this country at the expense of another. Our nation shouldn't be predatory, but it is. That's not a fault of this nation, it's a fault of the criminal syndicate that controls it.

RWSGFY says

Then there is "blame America first, polish Putin's knob" characters who cry over dead Saddam but cheer over dead babuska's and raped 12 yo in Bucha...

Who raped them? The Azof Battalion? The Right Sector? Western Ukrainian soldiers? The Russian invader soldiers?

Considering it was Bucha, I tend to think it was the Western Ukrainians, but I really don't know and get this, neither do you. The fact that our "news" media is claiming it was Russians, it probably wasn't Russians anymore than Russia hacked our election, or Saddam Hussein had a weapons of mass destruction program. They took a big steaming shit on their credibility a long time ago, and are still spewing shit. Don't believe ANYTHING said in our fucking propaganda press. They have no obligation to the truth, so ignore them.

Consider it done for Sweden:

“Sweden has received concrete protection promises from the UK and the US for the period of the application to NATO,” - writes the Swedish edition Aftonbladet.

https://twitter.com/Flash43191300/status/1518660200756092929?source=patrick.net

Bet Finland got the same promises.

PUTIN SO SMART!

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mostly reader says

richwicks says

Considering it was Bucha, I tend to think....

This is yet another example of why "you" and "think" shouldn't even be in the same sentence.

How many times do I have to tell you that blanket insults just embarrass you, not me?

mostly reader says

You rashist propaganda trumpet you.

I had to look up "rashist". Even if Russia was full on Nazi, it doesn't reveal any information about what is going on or what has transpired. You are unable to realize that. You have the sort of thinking and reasoning I had when I was late teenager. I grew up.

Ukraine is divided up among cultural, not ethnic lines. They are both slavic. Ukrainians blame the holodomor on Russians, but the Russians were as much victims to it as the Ukrainiains. The USSR was a terribly evil government which has created problems that will last for centuries. People just remember the victimhood of their grandfather, and are entirely unaware of the victimhood of others. You are like that.

I'm 1/2 Polish. 2 million of us died in the concentration camps in Auschwitz. Israel has called the Poles collaborators, they never gave up, their entire government went underground for the entire duration of the war yet all of Poland is condemned by Israel for, supposedly, collaborating with the Nazis. Lehi collaborated with the Nazis. Yitzhak Shamir was a leader of Lehi. He was the 7th prime minister of Israel. He was born in 1915, in the Russian Empire - just another thug.

I hate your black and white, true and false, right and wrong simplicity. We'll know what happened in Ukraine in about 5 years but a key pointer I've learned is censorship protects lies, not the truth. The truth doesn't need to be protected by censorship. Who is engaging in censorship?

I don't think you're worth talking to. Talking to a fanatic is simply a waste of time. The same is true of a propagandist. The only difference between a propagandist and a fanatic, is that a fanatic is stupid enough to work for free. I will make no attempt to introduce you to nuanced thinking. You're too old to waste my time on and any good in broadening your understanding will just go to the grave soon enough anyhow.

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mostly reader says

richwicks says

How many times do I have to tell you that blanket insults just embarrass you, not me?

You SHOULD be repeating the line about rashist propaganda which makes shit up. It then feeds those lies to the likes of you, and the likes of you then feed it to smaller channels, such as this one.

"Ukrainian did it in Bucha". Each time you open your mouth, you are redefining the meaning of a "low life".

richwicks says

I'm 1/2 Polish. 2 million of us died in the concentration camps in Auschwitz.

And yet you are exactly the type of scum which would be denying existence of Auschwitz back then because, see, "Western media says it exists and they can't be trusted".

Observe richwicks for a week (or a month) and you will clearly see that his "independent" and "contrarian" thoughts and ideas NEVER deviate from the Russian line even 1/1000 of an inch.

Don't know why you bother engaging. Every debate comes down to claiming that all of our information is a lie. How do you debate with that?

This thread was better when it was just videos of Russian tanks getting blown up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyrFB4pvx0s&source=patrick.net

mostly reader says

about rashist propaganda

Just such a waste of time to even read what you write.

Why not scream Russian Collusion and Russia hacked our election, or other similar nonsense?

You start with a false premise and just repeat it over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over...

It is you that repeats propaganda, that's why you say the same thing over and over again. I wonder if you're a victim of it though. This is an ancient, and annoying technique, which is why I quit taking your seriously and won't treat you respectfully anymore.

RWSGFY says

Observe richwicks for a week (or a month) and you will clearly see that his "independent" and "contrarian" thoughts and ideas NEVER deviate from the Russian line even 1/1000 of an inch.

Indeed. That's why I treat him the way that I do.

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RWSGFY says

Observe richwicks for a week (or a month) and you will clearly see that his "independent" and "contrarian" thoughts and ideas NEVER deviate from the Russian line even 1/1000 of an inch

The only thing that is called "Russian lines" are fed to you by the same mass media that claimed that Saddam Hussein had a weapons of mass destruction program and that Qaddafi was taking viagra to rape girls. They are the same people that said Hunter Biden's laptop was "Russian disinformation".

They use this terminology because they recognize that there are plenty of pussies that will shy away from the truth provided they just label it "Russian".

Every single thing that is even a slightly inconvenient reality is labelled by them as "Russian" - the Russian's don't label it that way. Don't you see how ridiculous it is, how easily you're manipulated?



https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/03/so-did-russian-bots-try-bring-down-star-wars-after-furor-man-who-authored-study-says-not-exactly/

I'm sure "Russian bots" don't control you, but American ones do. How stupid do you have to be to continue to believe the unending bullshit of our government's propaganda? It's been two fucking solid decades of this, and you still can't see it! For a very good long time, I was mystified how the Bolsheviks, Brownshirts, and Chinese Red Army came to power - how could people be so easily manipulated? Well, thanks to people like you, I know precisely how easily they are manipulated. I just have a difficulty time wrapping my head around how easily controlled people are.

But this is all Russian disinformation anyhow, so you can just ignore it, and not have a single bit of introspection about it. I just throw my hands up with you. If you want to believe anything our bullshit idiotic laughable "news" media calls "Russian misinformation" - which just means ANYTHING they want you to dismiss as false, fine. You are unable to think. You are so trivially controlled. If "mainstream news" said 2+2=4 is "Russian misinformation" you'd accept it. I'm really trying to wrap my head around that people like you aren't active liars and are truly this easy to manipulate. It's so hard to imagine that people like you exist. 20 years ago I'd be "well, this asshole is just fucking with me" - but do you really exist? Are people this easily manipulated? I have to consider the possibility.

The reason people think you're trolls is like I can't be as stupid as you pretend(?) to be. The flipside of this is that it's downright insulting to think I'm this fucking stupid or pathetic to accept any bullshit just because some fucking assholes in a $500 haircut and $2,000 suit on the propaganda box says so - but are you? Are you really? It's astonishing. I really really honestly have difficulty believing you actually think you believe what you claim to believe. I can't imagine being as naive as you present yourself to be. Even when I was in college where I was one stupid fucking shit, I wasn't this naive.

I'm sorry, I just can't accept it. I don't think either of you are honest. I think you're either propagandists for free, or propagandists for hire. I just can't believe you're for real. I see too many propaganda techniques (which are effective when a moron repeats them) being repeated by you, I don't see any effort in thought (which propagandists will not engage in, or stupid people won't engage in), it's just repetition and appeal to emotion constantly with you two - even when I call you out on this, you ignore it. I think if you're not paid, you're really fools.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

I wonder if you're a victim of it though.

It's simpler. You are a direct logical equivalent of a cocksucker who pimped German Nazi regime back in a day, while living comfortably in US. The scum that parrots Rashist propaganda under the pretense of non-conformism deserves to be exposed and humiliated. I'm just someone who enjoys doing it.

You have again written nothing. You constantly write nothing. You do this repeatedly.

Show ANY information in that childish paragraph. I cannot be insulted by somebody just calling me names and accusing me of holding beliefs I don't. You're not a respectable or intelligent person either, so why would I care about your opinion of me? You never demonstrate I'm wrong, you just express your anger at me, like a child.

You're just like the dupes back in 2017 apoplectic that I denied Trump's "obvious racism" but wouldn't give any examples because they had been brainwashed into their opinion. You're brainwashed in the same manner but what is really telling us you cannot process original information. It's pointless to engage with you. You believe nonsense, even obvious nonsense. Either you pretend to sleep or are braindead.

Denying that Victoria Nuland was picking out the next Ukrainian leader. It's like somebody insisting the Earth is flat. Most people who claim this don't really believe it, those that believe it, don't have the brain capacity to realize they are incorrect.

When I talk to you, it's like talking to this:



You're just opinionated, and ungrounded. I can't tell if you're serious or insane, I really don't care at this point, I've wasted over a month trying to have a rational discussion with you. You can't teach me anything, you can't even be civil.

Nato says it will increase its presence around Sweden and the Baltic sea if Sweden applies to join the alliance, Nato Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg told Swedish broadcaster SVT.

The secretary general highlighted the importance of protecting the country's borders while its Nato application is approved, which could take up to a year.

"From the potential moment Sweden is applying, and Nato says that they want Sweden to join, there is a very strong obligation from Nato to be able to guarantee Sweden's security," Stoltenberg told SVT.

Sweden and neighbouring Finland are expected to make a decision on whether they are applying to join Nato this month, as both countries have considered joining the alliance following the invasion of Ukraine.

PUTIN SO SMART!

Asked on Wednesday if Finland would provoke Russia by joining NATO, Niinisto said: “My response would be that you caused this. Look at the mirror.”

Finnish Armed Forces preparing to attack Mother Russia the minute Finland is accepted into NATO:

RWSGFY says

Asked on Wednesday if Finland would provoke Russia by joining NATO, Niinisto said: “My response would be that you caused this. Look at the mirror.”

Finland is just another brutal and corrupt country!

They need Putin to ship in some Chechen Muslims to show them whose boss!

socal2 says

RWSGFY says

Asked on Wednesday if Finland would provoke Russia by joining NATO, Niinisto said: “My response would be that you caused this. Look at the mirror.”

Finland is just another brutal and corrupt country!

They need Putin to ship in some Chechen Muslims to show them whose boss!

Yeah, shoot these bicycle-riding Finnish pensioners in the head to show them how wrong is it to be such fucking Nazis!

Trump was right about everything.

Germany finally hikes defense spending after the threat materializes.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/germany-hike-defense-spending-scholz-says-further-policy-shift-2022-02-27/?source=patrick.net

Biden ships baby formula to foreigners at the US Border and $40B to Ukraine.
https://justthenews.com/nation/biden-administration-shipping-pallets-baby-formula-border-amid-nationwide-shortage?source=patrick.net

AmericanKulak says

Trump was right about everything.

Yep, including shipping real weapons, not blankets, to Ukraine.

AmericanKulak says

Biden ships ... $40B to Ukraine.

In weapons. Good. But Trump would send $80B.

Eric Holder says

Finnish Armed Forces preparing to attack Mother Russia the minute Finland is accepted into NATO:

I was told by CNN those are Trump supporters, not Fins. So yeah obviously fake news.

Finnish air force:

Booger says

Finnish air force:

See? SEE?!!! TOLD YA THERE BE NAZIS!!!

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

Eric Holder says

Finnish Armed Forces preparing to attack Mother Russia the minute Finland is accepted into NATO:

I was told by CNN those are Trump supporters, not Fins. So yeah obviously fake news.

It's only true when Putin calls somebody a Nazi, gotcha!

Warmest moments of ethernal Russo-Finnish friendship:





People gleefully relocating from Finnish lands suddently turned into "historical Russian territory":

Updated map of Europe:

A Finnish general reacting to Putin’s threats if Finland joins NATO: “You are most welcome here to join the 200,000 Russians that are already in Finland buried a few meters in the ground after your last attempt in 1939."

Russian President Vladimir Putin is warning Finland and Sweden about joining NATO, saying an expansion in membership could bring a heightened response from his own Russia-led military alliance.

On Monday, Putin spoke alongside leaders from Russia's allies in Belarus, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan at a Collective Security Treaty Organization summit in Moscow.

Wait a second! All this time Russia was crying how she's alone against a bunch of NATO countries the fuckers were in their own military bloc? How come it's not kosher to expand NATO w/o asking Russia first but it's completely ok to expand CSTO w/o asking anyone?

PS. CSTO was established in 1992, so it can be argued that NATO expansion which started 7 years later was in response to Russia forming that agressive military bloc.

Putin should not be surprised by this - his own actions triggered the response. Sweden and Finland are free to join whomever they want without any treaties in place that say otherwise. This may be a good time to shift Nato financing for European causes onto Europe and stop sending money overseas.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-calls-finland-sweden-joining-nato-mistake-with-far-reaching-consequences-2022-05-16/

President Vladimir Putin said on Monday that there was no threat to Russia if Sweden and Finland joined NATO but cautioned that Moscow would respond if the U.S.-led alliance bolstered military infrastructure in the new Nordic members.
...
"As to enlargement, Russia has no problem with these states - none. And so in this sense there is no immediate threat to Russia from an expansion (of NATO) to include these countries," Putin told the leaders of a Russian-dominated military alliance of former Soviet states.

"No immediate threat to Russia", nothing to see here, move along.

I feel silly about all the energy I wasted explaining that "NATO expansion" angle was just an excuse for starting the war in Ukraine. I should've just waited for Putin to confirm that.

mostly reader says

I feel silly about all the energy I wasted explaining that "NATO expansion" angle was just an excuse for starting the war in Ukraine. I should've just waited for Putin to confirm that.

That's not true, the situation in the Ukraine is vastly different, there hasn't been a color revolution and overthrow of a legitimate government by us meddling, and there are no separatist regions in Sweden or Finland. This is actually a decent reaction from Putin after initial harsher words. Whether it comes from a place of weakness or not I don't care neither should anybody else. Any sort of deescalation is a good thing here. Now let's head to the table of diplomacy to resolve the Ukraine conflict.

mell says

the situation in the Ukraine is vastly different

Ukraine is also poorer and more corrupt. So what? How does it make it different in the narrow context of the NATO angle? It doesn't. Another country with large shared boarder and relatively close to major cities in Russia. The distance between Finland and St. Petersburg is about 200 miles. If Russia worries about NATO expansion (as they claimed they did), now is a good time to start shitting bricks.

There is a vast difference in size. Finland has about 6 million people, Ukraine has about 45 million people.

Russia has spoken against NATO troop/equipment expansion near its border with Finland.

After seeing what the Western propaganda did to the citizens of the Baltic States (Vehemently anti-Russian even though Russia is vastly different from the Soviet Union), maybe they didn't wanna see the Ukrainians under the sway of mass Western propaganda. Before the invasion the typical Ukrainian didn't really care one way or the other about siding with the EU or Russia.

The invasion really pushed the Ukrainians towards hating the Russians...so that didn't quite work out the way Russia wanted.

Eric Holder says

PS. CSTO was established in 1992, so it can be argued that NATO expansion which started 7 years later was in response to Russia forming that agressive military bloc.

Show the growth of it since 1992.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization#Membership

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

PS. CSTO was established in 1992, so it can be argued that NATO expansion which started 7 years later was in response to Russia forming that agressive military bloc.

Show the growth of it since 1992.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Security_Treaty_Organization#Membership

Are you fucking for real? Read your own fucking links:

The CSTO grew out of the framework of the Commonwealth of Independent States, and first began as the CIS Collective Security Treaty (CST) which was signed on 15 May 1992, by Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russian Federation, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, in the city of Tashkent. Azerbaijan signed the treaty on 24 September 1993, Georgia on 9 December and Belarus on 31 December.

From 0 countries in 1991 to 6 countries in 1992 to 9 countries in 1993. Explosive growth by any measure.

So Russia has its own aggressive military block, therefore their crying about other countries being in their own defensive military blocks is bullshit. What's good for goose good for gander.