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The reality of the energy density of the liquid fuels, what we get for what we pay, $6 or even $20 is an incredible bargain, compared to feeding-watering-taking care of horses.

We will pay whatever we have to, for our jobs and our businesses and whatever, causing spending on other stuff to drop.

Very bad for the economy. Many businesses will be killed by these prices.

B.A.C.A.H. says

The reality of the energy density of the liquid fuels, what we get for what we pay, $6 or even $20 is an incredible bargain, compared to feeding-watering-taking care of horses.

Sacramento, Davis, Dixon, Vacaville, Fairfield, Vallejo are separated by about 10 miles each. The reason for this is a horse drawn wagon could cover 10 to 30 miles a day and little towns naturally popped up where people rested for the night.

I'm glad I don't commute on a horse.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

And news of course ignores it, it's just ok. they are too fucking busy worrying about some country fuck knows where in Europe near Russia.

Oh, you didn't hear the explanation.

It's all Putin's fault you're paying higher gas prices. Jen Psaki said so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sArRHq4e6_k&source=patrick.net

It's not as if a government official lied through their teeth, our free and fair press wouldn't call them out. It's a free country after all. It's a dumbocracy. Any public government official telling OBVIOUS lies to the public like they were fucking idiots, would surely be called out, if they weren't, why that would mean the public are just a bunch of hair brained idiots that would believe any BS if a government official said it.

And we all know that's not the case.

B.A.C.A.H. says

The reality of the energy density of the liquid fuels, what we get for what we pay, $6 or even $20 is an incredible bargain, compared to feeding-watering-taking care of horses.

My father, who was born in 1938 told me a story about his uncle he heard when he was a kid - his first ride in a car.

His uncle was driven from Harrisville NY to Star Lake. He got there in an hour. He never gone so fast in his life!

They are 20 miles apart.

I wonder how many talked to the Silent generation when you were kids. My grandmother and her siblings told me that "life was so much easier". They got vacuum cleaners, washing machines, and dish washers introduced to them in their lifetime. They used to beat rugs to clean them, scrub clothes on a wash board, and of course all dishes were washed by hand. Most of them didn't bother with a dish washer, it only took a few minutes to clean by hand anyhow. Why bother with a dish washer?

Truth be told, this is a tax on the poor and working class. It doesn’t impact the well off folks IMO. I hope the poor and working class folks, who voted for Biden, are happy with their votes.

Plug-in hybrid cars must be getting a good mark-up now. Econ 101.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

6.10 already in our area. Fucking $6.10 It is insane.

Where are you located? I assume California?

B.A.C.A.H. says

The reality of the energy density of the liquid fuels, what we get for what we pay, $6 or even $20 is an incredible bargain, compared to feeding-watering-taking care of horses.

We will pay whatever we have to, for our jobs and our businesses and whatever, causing spending on other stuff to drop.

The reality is most of the rest of the nation doesn’t pay anywhere near what we do in Commiefornia.

This is because of a combination of yammering and pressure from faux environmentalists resulting in stupid rules imposed on the processing of oil into gas in Commiefornia and an insatiable lust by Commiefornia politicians for other peoples money they can spend, resulting in the highest gas taxes in the country.

And we won’t even get into the fucking absolute lunacy of Biden shutting down the Keystone pipeline and making other moves that slowed the US pumping and fracking and getting our own fucking oil instead of relying on assholes that wish harm on my treasured US of A.

Fuck the Democrats. Fuck Gavin Newsome. Fuck Joe Biden.

Of course, instead of the scum lying press and government blaming it on Putin, they should call it the Biden pay cut.

Families living paycheck to paycheck just got slashed over 1-1.5k per month in fuel costs and inflation. Santa Cruz is a place you can get along without a car, but not often the greater Bay Area (richwicks excepted) and certainly not LA.

richwicks says

I wonder how many talked to the Silent generation when you were kids

My mother's generation saw the first of a lot of things we have today as well. The youngest in her family of seven, she was born in 1902 and started teaching in 1924. She would have driven or my father taken her to school in that day's equivalent of a Model T Ford and it wouldn't have been a new one. When she retired 46 years later in 1970, the difference in years between today and 1976, she bought a brand new LTD with all the comforts available at the time. Her generation was also the last generation to teach real subjects in real schools by real teachers.

My grandmother was a school teacher in a 1 room school house, when she was 19.

Ever look at a schoolbook from that time?

My GREAT grandmother went to school in a horse and buggy. She didn't believe man landed on the moon, she thought that it was complete hogwash. I can appreciate her disdain considering she was born before cars were a thing, before the Wright Brothers flew, before telephones or radio were common. She saw the invention of television. I think she died before computers became a household thing.

It’s too bad they didn’t encourage us to use natural gas to run our cars.
I would have considered converting a vehicle to CNG but there’s no place to fill up almost.
It’s better all around and cheaper, just slightly less power than gasoline.
Buses run fine on it all over the place.
Crude oil was over $100 back in 2013 and 2014.
Luckily I am able to buy it and in Florida I just paid $3.99
I drive around at 45mph (not the freeway) and get 29mpg.
They don’t need to raise interest rates, oil prices will slow down the economy just fine.

richwicks says

B.A.C.A.H. says

The reality of the energy density of the liquid fuels, what we get for what we pay, $6 or even $20 is an incredible bargain, compared to feeding-watering-taking care of horses.

My father, who was born in 1938 told me a story about his uncle he heard when he was a kid - his first ride in a car.

His uncle was driven from Harrisville NY to Star Lake. He got there in an hour. He never gone so fast in his life!

They are 20 miles apart.

I wonder how many talked to the Silent generation when you were kids. My grandmother and her siblings told me that "life was so much easier". They got vacuum cleaners, washing machines, and dish washers introduced to them in their lifetime. They used to beat rugs to clean them, scrub clothes on a wash board, and of course all dishes were washed by hand. Most of them didn't bother with a dish washer, it only took a few minutes...

And that is also why there weren't any fat people back then either.

clambo says

It’s too bad they didn’t encourage us to use natural gas to run our cars.
I would have considered converting a vehicle to CNG but there’s no place to fill up almost.
It’s better all around and cheaper, just slightly less power than gasoline.
Buses run fine on it all over the place.

I had one of those, 2007 - 2018. It was an off-the-shelf CNG-powered Honda Civic. Got the Cool And Hip California Air Resources Board ("CARB") rebate and tax credits. These payments just about cancelled out the premium I had to pay over getting a gasoline-powered Civic.
For driving around the Bay Area the fueling worked out OK. There's fueling places here and there for the buses, delivery vans and whatnot. PG&E maintenance yards, UPS terminals, airports (for their shuttles), and some retail locations.

It's true the CNG price was always lower than gasoline. When gasoline spiked in 2008, CNG price tracked with gasoline, up about the same percentage.

The drawback is the tank is only good for ten years. After that, the insurance company, the PG&E filling stations, and the Honda dealer service places require the tank replacement due to concern for metal fatigue cycling to the 3600 psi. (The tank is like a bomb). The replacement cost is $8500. I traded in the car for a plug in hybrid in 2018

Willy Wilson in Chicago is giving away $1M in gas today in Chicago. $50 per car allowance. It totally is fucking up traffic. Me thinks he's going to run for mayor of Chicago or Cook County President again. I've never heard the traffic chick so shocked on the morning news. Every arterial street and interstate was fucked up this morning. Thank god I didn't need to go to the city for a flight.

As a former commuter for 15 years I've never seen anything like it, at least on the news.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

Maybe instead of sending Ukraine billions they should send us gas vouchers, it's our fucking money!

If you want gas vouchers - move to California: Newscum will be sending $400 per vehicle.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

6.10 already in our area. Fucking $6.10 It is insane.

You should be happy - it hits Demon Rats voters the hardest.

I want to get that bumper sticker “Trust me, you’re fucked.”

The government is paying losers to breed more losers; it also encourages foreigners to come here to breed. The absolute worst is bringing in muslims to breed.

The teeming masses will cause your taxes to rise, price of housing to rise, gasoline consumption increases and oil prices rise, everything will rise.

The least of your problems is the cost of gasoline.

Ironically for me is the more poor are bred, the more shit they consume and the more stocks rise, including dividends. So, I hate the situation but I’m getting richer.

When I went to the Apple Store to recycle a laptop I was pleased to see all of them who contributed to my AAPL dividends.

Does anyone think high gas prices will act kinda like an alternative way to dampen economic activity? Rising interest rates takes money out of the economy, cooling inflation. Making people pay more for gas also takes money out of the economy, although, since gas/oil is an input cost for so many things, it would seem to cause inflation at the same time by increasing prices due to increasing input costs. I'm not sure how the duality would balance out, but maybe it would generally cool inflation while increasing it in some specific areas.

Also, I heard someone say the us is in a unique position compared to the rest of the world in that we have great access to shale oil. Regular oil wells take months or years to build and produce, while shale takes a mere month or 2. So the rising oil prices will very soon cause new shale oil output that wasnt previously possible at lower prices. Although, seems to me this means oil prices may stop climbing for us, but I'm not sure it means they will come down much, as if prices fall too far, those new shale wells would shut down - they have to stay somewhat elevated to keep the new shale wells online.