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PeopleUnited
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2022 Mar 30, 9:06pm
PeopleUnited
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2022 Mar 30, 9:06pm
Shaman says
Agreed. Hypocrisy also comes in many forms. There are the actors who play a part but they know they are just pretending and putting on a show, they are lying to the world. And then there are those who are hypocrites that sincerely believe they are not hypocrites, they are lying to themselves. So at its core hypocrisy is deception either deceiving one’s self or deceiving others, and both are evil. And the reason deception is so evil is because it gets on the way of the most important thing a person can do, which is to learn and practice what is true. There are many evils in this world but perhaps the greatest evil of all is to deny the truth.
I’ll give you this that hypocrisy is a form of evil. But not that it’s the source of all evil. After all, a man who openly claims his evil deeds and promises more of the same is no less evil for being honest about it. Most people just use obfuscation because they have to. But others who feel protected from consequences are absolutely brazen about it. Like Hillary Clinton about her mail server or her smear of Trump as a Russian agent. She simply can’t be prosecuted so she doesn’t care.
Agreed. Hypocrisy also comes in many forms. There are the actors who play a part but they know they are just pretending and putting on a show, they are lying to the world. And then there are those who are hypocrites that sincerely believe they are not hypocrites, they are lying to themselves. So at its core hypocrisy is deception either deceiving one’s self or deceiving others, and both are evil. And the reason deception is so evil is because it gets on the way of the most important thing a person can do, which is to learn and practice what is true. There are many evils in this world but perhaps the greatest evil of all is to deny the truth.
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PeopleUnited
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2022 Mar 30, 9:08pm
PeopleUnited
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2022 Mar 30, 9:08pm
Fortwaynemobile says
I agree we need to know the context in order understand or judge between good and evil. Maybe that is what he meant? And while I agree with the argument that the existence of evil is proof that there also exists good, I hope no one is suggesting that we evaluate good and evil by comparing one person to another, or use a bell curve or some other relativistic measure. That is just self deception.
PeopleUnited saysHmm not sure that this makes sense to me are you attempting to argue for relativism?
i think Pat has a point. hiw would something be good if we had no frame of reference? what makes good the good and evil the evil? its an interesting and complex topic
I agree we need to know the context in order understand or judge between good and evil. Maybe that is what he meant? And while I agree with the argument that the existence of evil is proof that there also exists good, I hope no one is suggesting that we evaluate good and evil by comparing one person to another, or use a bell curve or some other relativistic measure. That is just self deception.
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FortWayneHatesRealtors
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2022 Mar 30, 9:21pm
PeopleUnited says
i don’t remember too well, where it cane from. but someone like philosopher or Jesus was asked what makes good a good. and a pretty good answer was that god makes it good, but logic behind that i no longer recall. ill look it up
Fortwaynemobile saysPeopleUnited saysHmm not sure that this makes sense to me are you attempting to argue for relativism?
i think Pat has a point. hiw would something be good if we had no frame of reference? what makes good the good and evil the evil? its an interesting and complex topic
I agree we need context in order understand or judge between good and evil. Maybe that is what he meant?
i don’t remember too well, where it cane from. but someone like philosopher or Jesus was asked what makes good a good. and a pretty good answer was that god makes it good, but logic behind that i no longer recall. ill look it up
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PeopleUnited
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2022 Mar 31, 4:47am
PeopleUnited
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2022 Mar 31, 4:47am
Fortwaynemobile says
What if evil is the act of turning away from God, do you see the difference?
Evil is what turns one away from god, from word of god
What if evil is the act of turning away from God, do you see the difference?
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PeopleUnited
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2022 Mar 31, 9:53am
PeopleUnited
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2022 Mar 31, 9:53am
Don’t hurt yourself kid.
God gave everyone free will. What we do with it determines who we are, not what He is.
God gave everyone free will. What we do with it determines who we are, not what He is.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
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2022 Mar 31, 10:03am
fdhfoiehfeoi
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2022 Mar 31, 10:03am
Choice is such a profound and integral part of this world. Even in Christian circles it's not well understood or taught. Only with choice can we experience love beyond all understanding. And unfortunately only with choice is evil possible that shakes us to our core.
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BoomAndBustCycle
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2022 Mar 31, 5:11pm
What color shirt I wear in the morning is of the same significance as if I slaughter a 1000 people in terms of the scale of universe. Either act is insignificant to the aliens living 1 million light years away.
Our level of evolution might be as simple as an ant in comparison to other living beings light years away. We don’t really go around thinking about ant wars and ant genocide on a daily basis. But these things happen everyday.
Our level of evolution might be as simple as an ant in comparison to other living beings light years away. We don’t really go around thinking about ant wars and ant genocide on a daily basis. But these things happen everyday.
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PeopleUnited
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2022 Mar 31, 8:07pm
PeopleUnited
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2022 Mar 31, 8:07pm
BoomAndBustCycle says
When you have explored the universe or read the work of the engineer, then you might be qualified to speak with such authority. Until then, I call bullshit and ask for the evidence.
From my perspective the wars of ants are highly significant and play a major role in shaping thIs world. (And let me remind you there is no evidence of life outside this planet let alone this solar system) Not that ants are capable of evil, but they are capable of altering the ecosystem and perhaps by extrapolation other aspects of the environment from vegetation to animal life.
But maybe you are right, so what’s it going to be: the brown shirt or the massacre for you? And more importantly why are you making the choices you make? That is really what this thread is about.
What color shirt I wear in the morning is of the same significance as if I slaughter a 1000 people in terms of the scale of universe.
When you have explored the universe or read the work of the engineer, then you might be qualified to speak with such authority. Until then, I call bullshit and ask for the evidence.
From my perspective the wars of ants are highly significant and play a major role in shaping thIs world. (And let me remind you there is no evidence of life outside this planet let alone this solar system) Not that ants are capable of evil, but they are capable of altering the ecosystem and perhaps by extrapolation other aspects of the environment from vegetation to animal life.
But maybe you are right, so what’s it going to be: the brown shirt or the massacre for you? And more importantly why are you making the choices you make? That is really what this thread is about.
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PeopleUnited
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2022 Apr 2, 5:08am
PeopleUnited
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2022 Apr 2, 5:08am
Perspective: Thanks to Vladimir Putin, it’s OK to talk about good and evil again
Moral relativism has temporarily collapsed in the matter of Russia’s assault on Ukraine
https://www.deseret.com/2022/3/3/22958896/perspective-the-return-of-evil-in-political-discourse-putin-russia-ukraine-good-place-michael-schur?source=patrick.net
The problem is that while Putin may be evil, Zelensky may also be equally evil.
But you wouldn’t know that if you listen to the great political minds of the world.
From the article above: “This is one of the greatest demonstrations of good versus evil we’ve seen in our lifetime,” Utah Sen. Mitt Romney said Sunday on CNN. Australian diplomat Joe Hockey said Vladimir Putin has “evil in his heart.” Ireland’s prime minister, Micheál Martin, called Putin an “evil dictator.” At the same time, mentions of Russia as an “evil empire” — Ronald Reagan’s description of the Soviet Union — have ticked up across the internet.
In short, the concept of evil as a real and malign entity has roared back into the mainstream. This is bad news for proponents of moral relativism, the idea that there is no right and wrong, only differences in how people see and experience the world.
But interestingly, according to YouGov, “Democrats and Republicans are equally likely to say Putin is evil.”
Unfortunately the powers that be have unleashed a false dichotomy on the world to goad us into promoting a needless war in Eastern Europe.
Moral relativism has temporarily collapsed in the matter of Russia’s assault on Ukraine
https://www.deseret.com/2022/3/3/22958896/perspective-the-return-of-evil-in-political-discourse-putin-russia-ukraine-good-place-michael-schur?source=patrick.net
The problem is that while Putin may be evil, Zelensky may also be equally evil.
But you wouldn’t know that if you listen to the great political minds of the world.
From the article above: “This is one of the greatest demonstrations of good versus evil we’ve seen in our lifetime,” Utah Sen. Mitt Romney said Sunday on CNN. Australian diplomat Joe Hockey said Vladimir Putin has “evil in his heart.” Ireland’s prime minister, Micheál Martin, called Putin an “evil dictator.” At the same time, mentions of Russia as an “evil empire” — Ronald Reagan’s description of the Soviet Union — have ticked up across the internet.
In short, the concept of evil as a real and malign entity has roared back into the mainstream. This is bad news for proponents of moral relativism, the idea that there is no right and wrong, only differences in how people see and experience the world.
But interestingly, according to YouGov, “Democrats and Republicans are equally likely to say Putin is evil.”
Unfortunately the powers that be have unleashed a false dichotomy on the world to goad us into promoting a needless war in Eastern Europe.
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Now to be clear, I’m not saying women are evil, nor that ignorance is evil. But false testimony is certainly evil and so her performance was a clear representation of the fact that she is under the influence of evil, if not wholly given over to that evil.
But it got me thinking, if we live in a world where Supreme Court nominees are giving false testimony (she knows damn well what a women is and therefore she is a liar of the most despicable type, lying about a universally known truth) and not dismissed immediately for their false testimony, then what other perversions are accepted in our culture? And in fact, if giving false testimony is acceptable, has the concept of evil lost its meaning just like the rainbow?
For those ignorant of the meaning of the rainbow, look it up. But we cannot continue as a nation or even as a species if we cannot define and reasonably agree on what evil is. Read the Declaration of Independence and our other founding documents and you will see evil defined, not like a dictionary definition but rather a clear set of shared values, things permitted and things prohibited in the interest of preserving life, liberty, and property.
But over time, indoctrination has changed peoples perception and understanding of what evil is, to the point that what was once universally understood as evil is now celebrated, and what was once valued as good is reviled.
Is anyone else noticing this? Is anyone even able to distinguish between good and evil anymore, and if not how can we continue as a culture or society?
What is evil? Can anyone give a reasonable defense and definition of the concept? Can you give real world examples? Who has wisdom here?
This is a challenge to anyone to speak to one of the most basic concepts of humanity. The concept of evil, what it is, what it isn’t, where it comes from is wrapped up in what it means to be a human and without the concept of evil I would argue that there can be no culture and no hope for the future. Without the concept of evil there is no need for society or culture or life itself because without evil, there is nothing wrong, nothing to weep over, and nothing to defend yourself or your society against. And if there is no definition of evil why do we need rules, wars, or judges? We need to get the concept of evil right or we are doomed.
Don’t you agree?