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WookieMan
2022 Apr 12, 7:12am
WookieMan
2022 Apr 12, 7:12am
ohomen171 says
Yeah, and Africa will fuck it up. As drunk as Russians are, they like money and will figure it out. Africans.... nope. And I'm not referring to white colonial "Africans" in this case. If there were valuable resources there, a super power would just take them.
We've had 3-4 decades of conflict in some form with the ME over oil. Africa is a dumpster fire. They have diamonds and shit land for growing. You can find gas and oil in almost any place, but that doesn't mean it's worth the cost of extracting it. Europe needs Russia. If Europe mans up though and stops gas purchases, it's probably WWIII. Assume we see the truth of the situation, Putin gives zero shits about human life including the people he presides over. If Europe stopped buying resources, he will invade other countries. And I wouldn't count on Africa to get you resources.
“It seems that Africa now is the most reliable alternative for these countries in Europe,” University of Cape Town oil and gas researcher Kennedy Chege said in an interview with Foreign Policy magazine. “It essentially opens up a great opportunity for African countries to move in and get deals done quickly.”
Yeah, and Africa will fuck it up. As drunk as Russians are, they like money and will figure it out. Africans.... nope. And I'm not referring to white colonial "Africans" in this case. If there were valuable resources there, a super power would just take them.
We've had 3-4 decades of conflict in some form with the ME over oil. Africa is a dumpster fire. They have diamonds and shit land for growing. You can find gas and oil in almost any place, but that doesn't mean it's worth the cost of extracting it. Europe needs Russia. If Europe mans up though and stops gas purchases, it's probably WWIII. Assume we see the truth of the situation, Putin gives zero shits about human life including the people he presides over. If Europe stopped buying resources, he will invade other countries. And I wouldn't count on Africa to get you resources.
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Eric_Holder
2022 Apr 12, 11:59am
Eric_Holder
2022 Apr 12, 11:59am
WookieMan says
Russia outside of big cities is not much different from Africa. No running water, no indoor plumbing, no paved roads. No gas either, ironically.
Africa is a dumpster fire.
Russia outside of big cities is not much different from Africa. No running water, no indoor plumbing, no paved roads. No gas either, ironically.
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Eric_Holder
2022 Apr 12, 12:01pm
Eric_Holder
2022 Apr 12, 12:01pm
WookieMan says
Meaning? Russia would invade France, Italy and Germany to force them into buying their gas? LOL. Not gonna happen for a simple reason of their military being too weak for that which has became painfully obvious over the last 1.5 month.
How about Russia learns a novel concept of not shitting where you're eating? All it has to do is to behave like a modern European nation in modern Europe and not like some colonial monstrosity from 1700s looking to grab some new land (as if they are not fucking biggest country on Earth by land mass already)? You can't have it both ways.
Europe needs Russia. If Europe mans up though and stops gas purchases, it's probably WWIII
Meaning? Russia would invade France, Italy and Germany to force them into buying their gas? LOL. Not gonna happen for a simple reason of their military being too weak for that which has became painfully obvious over the last 1.5 month.
How about Russia learns a novel concept of not shitting where you're eating? All it has to do is to behave like a modern European nation in modern Europe and not like some colonial monstrosity from 1700s looking to grab some new land (as if they are not fucking biggest country on Earth by land mass already)? You can't have it both ways.
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Patrick
2022 Apr 12, 12:38pm
Patrick
2022 Apr 12, 12:38pm
Eric Holder says
You can prove to yourself Russia is not like at all like Africa just by zooming in on small cities around Russia.
Per capita income is about twice that of Ukraine.
Russia outside of big cities is not much different from Africa. No running water, no indoor plumbing, no paved roads.
You can prove to yourself Russia is not like at all like Africa just by zooming in on small cities around Russia.
Per capita income is about twice that of Ukraine.
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richwicks
2022 Apr 12, 1:31pm
richwicks
2022 Apr 12, 1:31pm
Patrick says
Are you encouraging people to consult original sources and think for themselves? How outrageous - they should just listen to "reliable sources". Shame on you Patrick.
You can prove to yourself Russia is not like at all like Africa just by zooming in on small cities around Russia.
Are you encouraging people to consult original sources and think for themselves? How outrageous - they should just listen to "reliable sources". Shame on you Patrick.
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WookieMan
2022 Apr 12, 1:39pm
WookieMan
2022 Apr 12, 1:39pm
Eric Holder says
Totally in agreement that Russia seems weak. Big time. It's not a good look for them. As with any war Russia is involved in they just throw bodies at it. Outcome be dammed. Give soldiers some vodka and tell them to get after it. Nations are different when it comes to life or death. Russians will get in a tank, have some vodka and get destroyed sitting in a 40 mile line.
They will take parts of Ukraine, but it has been an obvious failure. Not that the the US is that much better at it. Iraq and Afghanistan were a shit show, but Russia has outdone the US in literally a month with troop casualties. They look like idiots. If media is accurate, WTF is the point of them shooting a train station with civilians? Putin has gone full retard. A bit scary to be honest.
Meaning? Russia would invade France, Italy and Germany to force them into buying their gas? LOL. Not gonna happen for a simple reason of their military being too weak for that which has became painfully obvious over the last 1.5 month.
Totally in agreement that Russia seems weak. Big time. It's not a good look for them. As with any war Russia is involved in they just throw bodies at it. Outcome be dammed. Give soldiers some vodka and tell them to get after it. Nations are different when it comes to life or death. Russians will get in a tank, have some vodka and get destroyed sitting in a 40 mile line.
They will take parts of Ukraine, but it has been an obvious failure. Not that the the US is that much better at it. Iraq and Afghanistan were a shit show, but Russia has outdone the US in literally a month with troop casualties. They look like idiots. If media is accurate, WTF is the point of them shooting a train station with civilians? Putin has gone full retard. A bit scary to be honest.
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richwicks
2022 Apr 12, 1:45pm
richwicks
2022 Apr 12, 1:45pm
WookieMan says
Notice they weren't though. A 40 mile line, and they weren't just simply picked off by Ukraine's airforce. This tells you that Ukraine no longer has an airforce.
WookieMan says
I'd be cautious about what you're being told are the number of casualties. It's quite possible they are absolutely accurate, but only time will tell. If it turns out our propaganda has lied about this, remember it and don't worry you believed them if you were deceived. Just learn you can be deceived.
IF they are lying.
I didn't just wake up one day and start to distrust my government. My government earned my distrust slowly over time. It's said that trust creeps in slowly, but it gallops out. I doubt my government is telling the truth, but if they are, well, at least they are creeping in again.
Russians will get in a tank, have some vodka and get destroyed sitting in a 40 mile line.
Notice they weren't though. A 40 mile line, and they weren't just simply picked off by Ukraine's airforce. This tells you that Ukraine no longer has an airforce.
WookieMan says
Iraq and Afghanistan were a shit show, but Russia has outdone the US in literally a month with troop casualties. They look like idiots.
I'd be cautious about what you're being told are the number of casualties. It's quite possible they are absolutely accurate, but only time will tell. If it turns out our propaganda has lied about this, remember it and don't worry you believed them if you were deceived. Just learn you can be deceived.
IF they are lying.
I didn't just wake up one day and start to distrust my government. My government earned my distrust slowly over time. It's said that trust creeps in slowly, but it gallops out. I doubt my government is telling the truth, but if they are, well, at least they are creeping in again.
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richwicks
2022 Apr 13, 1:53pm
richwicks
2022 Apr 13, 1:53pm
DooDahMan says
I'm just pointing out that the holocaust I believe has been, well, let's say quite exaggerated but I don't want to get into an argument about it.
And I know, all governments lie.
Mike Gravel died on June 26, 2021. I think he was wrong about a lot of his economic beliefs, but I think he was a real fucking hero for reading in the Pentagon papers into the congressional record. He was a good man.
I'll have to check out https://theconversation.com/?source=patrick.net - maybe they can broaden my perspective.
From Vietnam to Afghanistan, all US governments lie.
I'm just pointing out that the holocaust I believe has been, well, let's say quite exaggerated but I don't want to get into an argument about it.
And I know, all governments lie.
Mike Gravel died on June 26, 2021. I think he was wrong about a lot of his economic beliefs, but I think he was a real fucking hero for reading in the Pentagon papers into the congressional record. He was a good man.
I'll have to check out https://theconversation.com/?source=patrick.net - maybe they can broaden my perspective.
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Tenpoundbass
2022 Apr 13, 2:02pm
Tenpoundbass
2022 Apr 13, 2:02pm
Yeah why buy from one single murderous Czar, when you can buy from 1,000's genocidal maniacal Warlords?
AFRICA
Around 45 percent of the European Union’s gas comes from Russia. In the next few months, EU officials expect to unveil a plan to phase out those and other fossil fuel imports over the next four years in response to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s brutal invasion of Ukraine.
Such a momentous economic shift begs an obvious question, of course: Who will replace that lost energy? The answer that is increasingly on the tip of many experts’ tongues is not so obvious: Africa, a continent that possesses some of the world’s largest natural gas reserves.
“It seems that Africa now is the most reliable alternative for these countries in Europe,” University of Cape Town oil and gas researcher Kennedy Chege said in an interview with Foreign Policy magazine. “It essentially opens up a great opportunity for African countries to move in and get deals done quickly.”
Many observers have concerns, of course. At a moment when European politicians want to reduce their carbon footprint, they are contemplating massive investments to revamp crumbling facilities that will produce greenhouse gases.
Furthermore, Africa lacks the necessary infrastructure, especially in Sub-Saharan Africa, to move natural gas to Europe, Al Jazeera noted. Armed conflicts are raging throughout the continent, undermining the stability necessary for investors and engineers who want to build pipelines and other facilities.
But Vincent Obisie-Orlu, a researcher at Good Governance Africa, a nonprofit, told the Washington Post that an energy alliance between the north and south sides of the Mediterranean could funnel much-needed cash to eventually reduce carbon consumption and develop new renewable energy resources.
European financing could help Africa produce solar farms, hydroelectric dams that make less of an impact on the environment and state-of-the-art pipelines as well as take energy-saving conservation measures, argued the Institute for Security Studies, a South African think tank. When European demand for energy was low, it could be used to power desalination plants to address the region’s water troubles, too.
Officials who oversee the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation are already discussing how they might open the sector to private investment to boost production to meet European demand. “We would like to be reliable partners to solve the energy problem in Europe and we can only achieve this by working together,” Nigerian minister of state for petroleum resources Timipre Sylva told Euractiv.
Perhaps peaceful trade and exchange can still bring nations together in the globalized world despite the doubts that Putin has raised.