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AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

The culture war is promoted CONSTANTLY just to get idiots to fight.

Can't disagree more. The culture war is THE war.

It's the war that that the oligarchs doesn't care about. They don't care who wins. It's an intentional civil war where the outcome doesn't matter to them.

AmericanKulak says

Also, Creation vs. Evolution is a false dichotomy. It's Neo-spontaneous generation disguised as "evolution", for which there is no evidence for, vs. Creationism (for which there is equally no physical evidence for).

We have no idea how life started, but we have certainty that it adapts to the environment over time. We'll probably never have any clue how life started.

We have 23 chromosomes and apes have 24. We can see what chromosome combined. We can tell it combined because it's got a telomere at the center.

richwicks says

It's the war that that the oligarchs doesn't care about. They don't care who wins. It's an intentional civil war where the outcome doesn't matter to them.

No, they care about it. The fight by Twitter, Disney, MSNBC, etc. against Free Speech and for LGBTQ+P worship proves it.

Not to mention the GOPe rollover at every stage of the culture war. They all talked tough - say on abortion, gay marriage, and now Tranny Indoctrination - that once it was imposed, they surrendered. Kristol, French, Romney, Collins, etc.

Everything is downstream from Culture. By atomizing individuals, destroying the family, destroying traditional sexuality as the norm, etc. etc. they help create the Human Hive of Insectoid Arcology living where people Own Nothing And Be Happy..

AmericanKulak says

No, they care about it. The fight by Twitter, Disney, MSNBC, etc. against Free Speech and for LGBTQ+P worship proves it.

They aren't the oligarchy - they are the useful idiots.

AmericanKulak says

Not to mention the GOPe rollover at every stage of the culture war. They all talked tough - say on abortion, gay marriage, and now Tranny Indoctrination - that once it was imposed, they surrendered. Kristol, French, Romney, Collins, etc.

They are also useful idiots, sometimes enablers like Kristol.

AmericanKulak says

Everything is downstream from Culture. By atomizing individuals, destroying the family, destroying traditional sexuality as the norm, etc. etc. they help create the Human Hive of Insectoid Arcology living where people Own Nothing And Be Happy..

They are just doing genetic selection for those that survive.

I view our oligarchs as the Hapsburgs - not gods. They don't know the rules or understand them. Their progeny will be wiped out in time. To prolong their existence (genetic existence) they will have to claim to be gods and have the public believe them.

I'm pretty much an atheist, but I see the utility of religion. I consider it incorrect, but it keeps people together during hard times, and maintains culture. It kept Europe together for 1000 years, quite brutally in some cases, but it maintained society in many cases. Same is true of Islam.

AmericanKulak says

borderless corporate fascism

That's a pretty good description of the enemy.

As an example, the "Freeze Peach" and "Disinformation" and "Misinformation" campaigns began in the Media and Academia, not by politicians, who embraced it later.

The Regime Media is scared shitless of Musk because they have devoted so much to destroying the cultural value of Free Speech, which is consistently characterized as White Supremacy, Russian Misinformation, and Medical Misinformation that needs the Guiding hands of Oligarchy Experts (paid by the Oligarchy).

The war on Free Speech began in US Universities in the 90s, moved to Big Tech and Media in the early 2010s, and only in the past couple of years has been a subject for politicians.

richwicks says

I'm pretty much an atheist, but I see the utility of religion. I consider it incorrect, but it keeps people together during hard times, and maintains culture. It kept Europe together for 1000 years, quite brutally in some cases, but it maintained society in many cases.

I think genealogy also has that same utility, and without the requirement of belief in unprovable things. This is why I've been dedicating myself to genealogy lately.

In particular, the Roman gens, the Irish clan, and the Chinese family were all based on patrilineal descent, giving men (specifically men) a reason to join together and fight against enemies. These social structures each lasted for over 1000 years. So one could argue that the feminist attack on female fidelity is also an attack on this alternate source of male unity which threatens the supremacy of borderless corporate fascism.

richwicks says

They aren't the oligarchy - they are the useful idiots.

No. They are under the control of their Execs and Employees who were culturally transformed... in College, at DIE sessions, etc.

It's no accident that @Mell contrasted Tech in the 90s and early 2000s with Tech Today. That was a result of a new generation - millennials - that were reculturalized in College to hate Free Speech and embrace Expert Worship, the latter being controlled by the Elites, as we saw with the CDC, FDA, even the Smithsonian.

The Tech Wives, Soros, Wall Street, World Economic Forum, etc. all embrace Wokey Dokey, unlimited mass immigration, etc. and are imposing it with the help of employees and executives in big corporations.

richwicks says

I view our oligarchs as the Hapsburgs - not gods. They don't know the rules or understand them. Their progeny will be wiped out in time. To prolong their existence (genetic existence) they will have to claim to be gods and have the public believe them.

This may be the case, but they will do great damage in the meantime.

AmericanKulak says

The Tech Wives, Soros, Wall Street, World Economic Forum, etc. all embrace Wokey Dokey, unlimited mass immigration, etc. and are imposing it with the help of employees and executives in big corporations.

I'm watching corporations implode because of that.

People are like "why won't Twitter just change???" - it won't change because people still use it. Duh. When Yahoo! tried to enact censorship and fuck with their search algorithm to give "preferred" (paid for) search results, people just left. Leave. The shitshow depends on you paying attention to it.

When alternatives show up our "news" media screams "it's far right, white supremacist!!" - that works for a little bit. Not long. They just constantly undermine their credibility, and what is left behind is a bunch of morons that really aren't wanted. Talking to an NPC is pretty fucking boring. I have Facebook entirely blocked on my computer, you know how often I come across somebody giving me a link to Facebook? I NEVER do. Maybe literally once a year. Nobody here uses it.

AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

I view our oligarchs as the Hapsburgs - not gods. They don't know the rules or understand them. Their progeny will be wiped out in time. To prolong their existence (genetic existence) they will have to claim to be gods and have the public believe them.

This may be the case, but they will do great damage in the meantime.

They always do, but they aren't real oligarchs. You can just dump them.

The whole trick is "you need us" - no we don't.

richwicks says

People are like "why won't Twitter just change???" - it won't change because people still use it. Duh.

Just like Big Media, Airlines, and Banks have been bailed out, so will Disney and Big Tech.

The GOAL of the Technocrat Oligarchs is to create a Fascist Economy where the line between Government and Public is hazy; established large corps are simply insulated from the market. It's Socialism by subverting Corporations, rather than Direct Control by Kommisars.

Elon can't take over Twitter because it threatens Big Tech Regime Media.

richwicks says

AmericanKulak says

The Tech Wives, Soros, Wall Street, World Economic Forum, etc. all embrace Wokey Dokey, unlimited mass immigration, etc. and are imposing it with the help of employees and executives in big corporations.

I'm watching corporations implode because of that.

People are like "why won't Twitter just change???" - it won't change because people still use it. Duh. When Yahoo! tried to enact censorship and fuck with their search algorithm to give "preferred" (paid for) search results, people just left. Leave. The shitshow depends on you paying attention to it.

When alternatives show up our "news" media screams "it's far right, white supremacist!!" - that works for a little bit. Not long. They just constantly undermine their credibility, and what is left behind is a bunch of morons that really aren't wanted. Talking to an NPC is pretty fucking boring. I have Faceb...

You said yourself that they get funding from all kind of government and ngo dark pools, so it's not simple selection anymore, the big tech titans of the dot com boom who didn't make it or went back to being moderately large companies were examples of selection through commoditization, but now with the govt so vastly overreaching and entrenched in every decision it's not natural selection. This war matters and elections still matter until they are consistently stolen without any uprising. We're not there yet.

AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

People are like "why won't Twitter just change???" - it won't change because people still use it. Duh.

Just like Big Media, Airlines, and Banks have been bailed out, so will Disney and Big Tech.

Yes, this will happen. We are communists now, didn't you realize?

AmericanKulak says

The GOAL of the Technocrat Oligarchs is to create a Fascist Economy where the line between Government and Public is hazy; established large corps are simply insulated from the market. It's Socialism by subverting Corporations, rather than Direct Control by Kommisars.

It will just create a system of shortages. Shortages for food, or entertainment, for toilet paper, whatever. Just like the communist system did in the USSR.

AmericanKulak says

Elon can't take over Twitter because it threatens Big Tech Regime Media.

He can't take it over because it's owned by the intelligence agencies. You don't believe us.

They are free of market forces, but they still need people paying attention to them.

The death of newspapers is ongoing (pretty much finished actually) and the death of television is following. You'd be shocked at how many people are out there just want to inform you, and are doing it out of their basement. The cost of entry is 0 now. They do this shit as a hobby. That's why there's censorship, it's not to protect corporations, its to prevent the truth from coming out, and that's surprisingly easy to do today.

richwicks says

AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

People are like "why won't Twitter just change???" - it won't change because people still use it. Duh.

Just like Big Media, Airlines, and Banks have been bailed out, so will Disney and Big Tech.

Yes, this will happen. We are communists now, didn't you realize?

AmericanKulak says

The GOAL of the Technocrat Oligarchs is to create a Fascist Economy where the line between Government and Public is hazy; established large corps are simply insulated from the market. It's Socialism by subverting Corporations, rather than Direct Control by Kommisars.

It will just create a system of shortages. Shortages for food, or entertainment, for toilet paper, whatever. Just like the...

Disagree. It can still be brought down by competition, sure the agencies can fund it but it will become meaningless if it's not the main free speech site anymore. Also at any given point in time there are plenty of backstabbers and people who are not powerful enough yet who will consider switching sides just to advance, or who realize they will be facing increased animosity and poor prospects by the proles which eventually does matter (see the NV governor followed and cussed out in Vegas), the system is not rigid but dynamic, it's a constant tug-of-war, the power balance has shifted left-wards quite a bit in the past years but it could change by mid terms quickly.

I have to say, this forum may not be large but the discussions are hard hitting. Great reads.

mell says

Disagree. It can still be brought down by competition, sure the agencies can fund it but it will become meaningless if it's not the main free speech site anymore.

If it's just a few companies selling products who are subsidized by the government - through tax payer money, and "social media" is also subsidized the same way, and there's no need for advertisement, they will persist.

People won't be able to make a living making alternatives, and people won't be able to make a living selling genuine products.

I keep pointing out that at least 4.6 billion dollars was handed out to unknown corporations during the "covid bailout". That's a decent sum of money.

There are companies that can take on loans at basically 0% interest being kept alive. Compete against that when you have to pay 1% interest on a billion dollars.

Goran_K says

I have to say, this forum may not be large but the discussions are hard hitting. Great reads.

That's the irony, if it had a large readership, this place would suck. We're mostly free of trolls and spooks, and idiots.

richwicks says

mell says

Disagree. It can still be brought down by competition, sure the agencies can fund it but it will become meaningless if it's not the main free speech site anymore.

If it's just a few companies selling products who are subsidized by the government - through tax payer money, and "social media" is also subsidized the same way, and there's no need for advertisement, they will persist.

People won't be able to make a living making alternatives, and people won't be able to make a living selling genuine products.

I keep pointing out that at least 4.6 billion dollars was handed out to unknown corporations during the "covid bailout". That's a decent sum of money.

There are companies that can take on loans at basically 0% interest being kept alive. Compete against that when you have to pay 1% interest on a billion dollars.

If Musk doesn't succeed twatter will fail, slowly but surely. Alternatives will eventually take over. Once it loses influence it's not worth much to tptb

HeadSet says

Goran_K says

Elon really has backed these lefty pedos into a corner.

- They accept the sale, they get paid but lose power over the town square.
- They don't accept the sale, the stock price crashes, and Elon can buy more at cheaper and cheaper prices.
- Elon decides it's not worth it, and he dumps (worst case scenario for stock HODLers).

Now add - after Elon dumps his stock, he starts up a serious competitor. Notice Elon did not buy Ford and convert that company to making electric cars - rather, he created a new successful company from scratch.

Option 5: He breaks the Poison Pill.
Option 6: He gets friends and they play Gamestock with Twitter

mell says

If Musk doesn't succeed twatter will fail, slowly but surely. Alternatives will eventually take over. Once it loses influence it's not worth much to tptb

It doesn't have to have any influence, it just has to APPEAR to have influence.

CNN has less than 1 million viewers at any given moment. How is that being funded? They have multiple hosts that make more than $1 million a year. Ae they really getting $10 out of every viewer on a yearly basis for the commercials to pay for it?

When the government was allowed to directly send money to CORPORATIONS, that was the end of the country. Government Motors.

I remember when Lee Iacocca went to the government for a loan for Chrysler and what a huge deal that was. He got it, but he got a LOAN, and not at 0% interest, and it was public.

Everybody was asleep with covid when the government purchased our entire fucking economy. We have NO IDEA where the money went.

There's two lines of thought:

* The Executives are super stupid morons who don't realize their often trust fund baby bored Wokie Millie employees are shitting them
* The Executives know what they have to say, do/promise to stay in the Club that guarantees future employment.

I'm in the second camp. There's no way Disney Chapek and the Twitter Execs. Chapek started with Heinz and then multiple household brands with Thompson before joining Disney, he knows all about market research and knows that the people who want 50% LGBTQ Disney Characters are Full of Shit and way out of the mainstream. He also knows he's "Out of the Club" and "No longer in the Party" if he doesn't toe the line. The final proof is watching the video of the Disney Execs THEMSELVES talk about their kids in Private Leftist Schools in LA/SF saying half the kids are queer, about their Transkids, etc. etc.

richwicks says

mell says

If Musk doesn't succeed twatter will fail, slowly but surely. Alternatives will eventually take over. Once it loses influence it's not worth much to tptb

It doesn't have to have any influence, it just has to APPEAR to have influence.

CNN has less than 1 million viewers at any given moment. How is that being funded? They have multiple hosts that make more than $1 million a year. Ae they really getting $10 out of every viewer on a yearly basis for the commercials to pay for it?

When the government was allowed to directly send money to CORPORATIONS, that was the end of the country. Government Motors.

I remember when Lee Iacocca went to the government for a loan for Chrysler and what a huge deal that was. He got it, but he got a LOAN, and not at 0% interest, and it was public.

Everybody was asleep with covid when the government purchased our entire fucki...

No it does have to have influence otherwise it won't sway enough people and is useless to tptb. CNN is already circling in the toilet.

mell says

No it does have to have influence otherwise it won't sway enough people and is useless to tptb. CNN is already circling in the toilet.

Yes, Decentralization is key. We're in a race between MAGA and "Own nothing and be Happy" Human Hive.

richwicks says

I remember when Lee Iacocca went to the government for a loan for Chrysler and what a huge deal that was. He got it, but he got a LOAN, and not at 0% interest, and it was public.

Yep. Now multi billion dollar bailouts for airlines (just to name one industry) are expected at least once a decade at least.

AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

I remember when Lee Iacocca went to the government for a loan for Chrysler and what a huge deal that was. He got it, but he got a LOAN, and not at 0% interest, and it was public.

Yep. Now multi billion dollar bailouts for airlines (just to name one industry) are expected at least once a decade at least.

Iacocca wasn't wrong - he paid back his loan, the government took a risk on not being paid back - that was the ONLY risk.

Today, government owns industry and there's no oversight.

AmericanKulak says

mell says

No it does have to have influence otherwise it won't sway enough people and is useless to tptb. CNN is already circling in the toilet.

Yes, Decentralization is key. We're in a race between MAGA and "Own nothing and be Happy" Human Hive.

Yes!!! Decentralization. Centralization leads to tyranny by the minority. The wealth/powerful minority. End all corporate charters. I know that is going to sound insane to many here but, just watch a documentary called "The Corporation".

Here's a link...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpQYsk-8dWg&source=patrick.net

MSNBC's Morning Joe Mika says the quiet part out loud:

"he (Elon Musk) could take over the messaging and tell people what to think... that's our job."
https://nitter.pussthecat.org/mcbenis3/status/1515067405491449864?source=patrick.net#m

Scarborough is one strange dude.

"If you like your DARPA propaganda echo chamber, you can't keep your DARPA propaganda echo chamber."

DooDahMan says

Hircus says

Stock market appears closed today.

Looks like the aftermarket stuff

Like what? Ive seen pre and aftermarket, but both are on days the stock market is open.

People should use Twitter and not let Twitter use them.

https://notthebee.com/article/libs-of-tiktok-has-been-suspended-from-twitter-again?source=patrick.net

Example of why Elon needs to buy Twitter.

Along with the banning of Alex Berenstein, Dr. Malone, Trump, and many others.

AmericanKulak says

MSNBC's Morning Joe Mika says the quiet part out loud:

"he (Elon Musk) could take over the messaging and tell people what to think... that's our job."
https://nitter.pussthecat.org/mcbenis3/status/1515067405491449864?source=patrick.net#m

Scarborough is one strange dude.

You've been had. This is a video from a few years ago. They were not talking about Elon.

Yeah, turns out it was 2017 and they were talking about Trump.

Same point though - they want to control the messaging.

Nation state as a fundamental unit of man's organized life has ceased to be the principal creative force: International banks and multinational corporations are acting and planning in terms that are far in advance of the political concepts of the nation-state. - Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: The Technetronic Era, 1971

Mika Brzezinski is the daughter of Zbigniew

The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.

- Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages (1976)

Today it is infinitely easier to kill one million people than to control one million people. - Zbigniew Brzezinski

Great quotes, @gabbar. Thanks.

AmericanKulak says

MSNBC's Morning Joe Mika says the quiet part out loud:

"he (Elon Musk) could take over the messaging and tell people what to think... that's our job."
https://nitter.pussthecat.org/mcbenis3/status/1515067405491449864?source=patrick.net#m

Scarborough is one strange dude.

No, that's from years ago. She was talking about Trump using Twitter I believe.

If people don't recognize what our "news" is at this point, I figure fuck em. It's so obvious, that people who still believe it's information are too stupid to realize it's just propaganda.

Dont have the source of this.

We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years. … It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure, one world if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.” - David Rockefeller at the Bilderberger Meeting, Baden Germany, June 1991

Source: https://www.aspentimes.com/news/beware-new-world-order/?source=patrick.net

Bill was at the meeting