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279   Tenpoundbass   2022 Apr 28, 6:12am  

This event has given me another example of why Trump fails.
He is a Pompus showboat blowhard, that wants all of the credit and all of the glory for "Make America Great Again".
Every time someone comes along with a MAGA or America first gesture, and wish to combine forces with Trump. He trashes them, and kicks it down, and tries to distance himself as far away from it as possible. Now one could ponder the reason being he's wary of sabatures sent to engraciate himself only to crap on him and undermine his efforts. That would be a valid point, except he accepts every vile disgusting Snake Viper, Wolf in Sheep's clothing, and Mule Skinner that was sent his way to fill a government spot, when he was President. The only person he picked that didn't stab him in the back was Ben Carson.

But yet he refuses to shake any America First hand that is extended to him. He smites them down, and talks shit.

The Truth is Truth Social isn't going to go anywhere. It's doomed to fail hard and fast. How many months has it been already and it's still not a growing community. There's no daily Truth Social posts from Trump. It's as if Trump will only join his own fucking Social network AFTER it reaches critical mass. "Oh I'll post on my own platform, if millions of you assholes join and post millions of posts a day.

The Tech industry is huge foe of freedom loving MAGA movement. Musk comes along and buys it, and straight away there was a buzz that Trump would join. What did Asshole do? He released a statement to the effect, "There's no way in hell I'll ever join Twitter, because it's what people expect me to do, I'm going to do what I want to do!" at least that's the way he comes across.
He could have been more gracious and sent out message celebrating the new management and the slaying of one of the giants. As for joining or now, he should have said he will be watching and following to see how it turns out, as for joining "We'll See!".

Instead he puts out a definitive statement that he will no doubt have to back track if it does take off and freedom is restored. Hell I may even join Twitter if it turns out right. I mean I wont right now, but I'm more open than I ever have been or would have been. At least there's a chance if things go well. Which we all know Trump would join under the same sentiment, no matter what he said in his press release. Which makes him a bit of a Mealy Mouthed Milquetoast doofus!

He still has my vote in 2024, only because his real worth is what he can do for America on a international stage and benefits it gives our economy. That's why he needs other MAGA minded people, for him to pull of his plan. But instead he'll go in there again, and accept every Cock Roach and Snaggle toothed Rat they send him, like happened in his presidency.
281   GNL   2022 Apr 28, 7:12am  

Tenpoundbass says
This event has given me another example of why Trump fails.
He is a Pompus showboat blowhard, that wants all of the credit and all of the glory for "Make America Great Again".
Every time someone comes along with a MAGA or America first gesture, and wish to combine forces with Trump. He trashes them, and kicks it down, and tries to distance himself as far away from it as possible. Now one could ponder the reason being he's wary of sabatures sent to engraciate himself only to crap on him and undermine his efforts. That would be a valid point, except he accepts every vile disgusting Snake Viper, Wolf in Sheep's clothing, and Mule Skinner that was sent his way to fill a government spot, when he was President. The only person he picked that didn't stab him in the back was Ben Carson.

But yet he refuses to shake any America First hand that is extended to him. He smites them down, and talks shit.

The Truth is Truth Social isn't going to go anywhere. It's doomed to fail...

Yeah, I agree with your summation.
282   WookieMan   2022 Apr 28, 8:06am  

zzyzzx says
Self serve kiosks are slower because most people are morons

This. My first W-2 job was a bagger at a grocery store when I was 14. I like the self serve to be honest, because I know how to use it and be quick about it. Even with full service I'll still put my frozen foods next to each other, cold stuff like cheese together, boxes together, etc. to make it quicker for them to bag it. And living in the country I need to keep the cold stuff with cold stuff for a 20-30 minute drive. I'm polite, but if I see them fucking up bagging I do say something.

McDonalds it makes no sense to automate it. Though I rarely go. Last time I dealt with it I just walked away and let the wife handle it. No patience on my end. It's so much easier to say I want a #4 or whatever with large fry and Coke to a person that uses the system daily. Groceries are different if you've had to scan them and bag them for hours a day in the past. Problem is most people are morons as you mention. You'd think after a good 15 years or so of these systems people would get better?
283   NDrLoR   2022 Apr 28, 8:46am  

Onvacation says
straight, white, men!
The horror!
284   NDrLoR   2022 Apr 28, 9:00am  

mell says
Dunkies closing at 5PM, drive-thru only
The Wendy's on Valley Mills Dr. that has been there since there was Wendy's has gotten so bad you never know when the dining room will be open. When it is, it's bedlam. There'll be five people gathered around the registers trying to figure out what's going on. I waited 30 minutes for an order and when the trio that ordered after me got their order, I told them I wanted mine next. They looked at the screen and I hadn't even been put in the queue.
285   Patrick   2022 Apr 28, 9:38am  

https://nitter.net/StephenM/status/1519313985350381576?source=patrick.net#m


Stephen Miller
@StephenM
Apr 27
I, for one, am enraged by the sinister @elonmusk plot to allow ordinary citizens—many without PHDs, let alone NYT subscriptions—to freely express themselves & question the unblemished wisdom of politicians, gov’t experts, even CEOs. This is the dark & dangerous road to democracy.
Apr 27, 2022 · 1:54 PM UTC
287   Patrick   2022 Apr 28, 9:55am  

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/youve-been-misinformed/?source=patrick.net


Isn’t it obvious by now that pervasive dishonesty is the foremost crisis of many crises in Western Civ generally and American life in particular? All our authorities have made themselves false, lying their way into the broad collapse of confidence that drives the nation toward some culminating horror show of strife and loss.

The go-to lever of concerted mind-fuckery has been the term-of-art misinformation, applied especially to things and propositions that are truthful — thereby confounding the public’s ability to discern truth in anything, or to discover how they are being misled in matters of life and death. We’ve allowed the worst in human nature to disgrace ourselves. Satan, Father of Lies, is Western Civ’s paragon of disgrace, and so American life appears more and more Satanic and disgraceful.

All this was epitomized in the operation of Twitter, the cheerful little bluebird of social messaging which evolved in a very few years into an instrument of coercion, punishment, deception, and lying, until it became clear that Twitter’s misinformation was misinformation itself. Half the nation doesn’t believe anything it is told by those in authority and the other half revels in its reckless abuse of authority.

And so, it’s refreshing to see one Elon Musk act to seize control of this Satanic vector of disgrace. Mr. Musk appears motivated to defeat the culture of lying by restoring open debate in the ubiquitous online public arena. It’s a heroic deed. But, you see, it’s not merely Twitter’s management or its biggest shareholders that Mr. Musk is messing with, but malign forces in the US government, which have surreptitiously taken control of Twitter and other social media to work its will on events. If you don’t know that Twitter, Facebook, and Google are proxies serving the US Intel Community, then you have not been paying attention.

Using Twitter to impose that culture of pervasive dishonesty in public chatter is what gave permission for all others to follow the script. Medicine has succeeded completely in disgracing and destroying itself by lying about everything connected to Covid-19, from its origins, to the insanely outlawed treatments for it, to the harmful actions of the vaccines, to the hidden data that might tell us the results of all that lying. Twitter set the tone for that with its censorship policies. Anyone who suggested that lockdowns, masking, remdesivir protocols, and vaccine mandates violated common decency was tossed out of the arena, often with added punishment of losing a career, a professional license, a livelihood, and having to endure the betrayal of colleagues cowed into silence.

Twitter also enabled the suicide of higher education, which has succumbed to a plague of Jacobin craziness that would embarrass the inmates of an old-time locked ward. The failure of authority on campus is cosmic. Can you name a single college president who has raised a voice against such manifest idiocy as men competing in women’s sports, the invention of ersatz fields of study, the re-segregation of dormitories and graduation ceremonies, the shouting down of invited lecturers, the persecution of free-thinking faculty, the kangaroo courts for sex disputes, and a hundred other violations of intellect and decency?

All this coerced insanity has been nurtured by social media’s sly mechanisms for bending narrative into propaganda: their beloved algorithms, all fine-tuned to destroy anything that touches on truth. The result is a country so marinated in falsehood that it can’t construct a coherent consensus of reality, and can’t take coherent actions to avert its own collapse.

Mighty forces are marshalling to prevent Elon Musk from buying up Twitter stock and taking the company private. BlackRock, Vanguard, the prince regent of Saudi Arabia are all principal stockholders in Twitter, with gazillions in capital to theoretically match and overcome Mr. Musk’s moves. Meanwhile, the Tesla boss maintains a prankish self-confidence in this exploit, offering cryptically comic gibes to a news media that is openly vested in opposing him. You have to suppose that he’s gamed out the gamble. He’s looking like someone who has dealt out a hand of cards aiming to shoot-the-moon.

The prospect of an open public arena for ideas is exhilarating all of a sudden, considering how the information-stream got hijacked in service to the wicked. It’s fun to see their tortured casuistry as they plead for “content moderation” — the phrase du jour for censorship, as if it were a good thing rather than the opposite of anything good. This feels like the beginning of something positive after a long siege of political degeneracy. Let the sunshine in to disinfect the arena. Cast the Demons back into darkness. You go, Elon!
288   Patrick   2022 Apr 28, 10:00am  

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/fcc-commissioner-shoots-down-absurd-claim-that-the-federal-government-can-block-musks-twitter-purchase?source=patrick.net


"It does not surprise me to see that some interest groups are planning on throwing the kitchen sink at this transaction in an effort to derail it," Carr added in a statement to FOX Business.

"Of course, the FCC has no authority to block this transaction. And while I am not in a position to speak for the DOJ or the FTC -- the other agencies that were identified in that Open Markets Institute release -- I am not aware of any basis upon which any federal agency can block it," he said. "But I defer to those agencies to speak to the scope of their authorities."

"Suffice [it] to say, it is far from clear that the groups objecting to this transaction are going to do so because they're interested in the neutral application of competition and antitrust laws -- these efforts look like a move motivated by a desire to prevent the free exchange of political views on Twitter," Carr concluded.
292   richwicks   2022 Apr 28, 1:38pm  

Tenpoundbass says
The Truth is Truth Social isn't going to go anywhere. It's doomed to fail hard and fast.


You don't understand the problem.

There's a bunch of money invested in Truth Social, Trump can't abandon it just because Twitter was purchased by Elon Musk. He has a fiduciary duty to keep it going.
293   mell   2022 Apr 28, 2:24pm  

WookieMan says
zzyzzx says
Self serve kiosks are slower because most people are morons

This. My first W-2 job was a bagger at a grocery store when I was 14. I like the self serve to be honest, because I know how to use it and be quick about it. Even with full service I'll still put my frozen foods next to each other, cold stuff like cheese together, boxes together, etc. to make it quicker for them to bag it. And living in the country I need to keep the cold stuff with cold stuff for a 20-30 minute drive. I'm polite, but if I see them fucking up bagging I do say something.

McDonalds it makes no sense to automate it. Though I rarely go. Last time I dealt with it I just walked away and let the wife handle it. No patience on my end. It's so much easier to say I want a #4 or whatever with large fry and Coke to a person that uses the system daily. Groceries are different if you've had to scan them an...


No, the problem is that with the increase in ability and smarts of AI/Automation systems there is a proportional decrease of ability and smarts in the common people. Idiocracy demonstrated this phenomenon many years ago
294   Hircus   2022 Apr 28, 3:43pm  

Tenpoundbass says
Instead he puts out a definitive statement that he will no doubt have to back track if it does take off and freedom is restored. Hell


My first thought when he bluntly said no to rejoining twitter was that he knew doing that would kill truth social, because many people wish to join there specifically to hear trump. If he were to mitigate that exclusive benefit of joining, it would probably make his business partners and investors furious at him, not to mention hurt his own pockets.

But I suspect hell go back to twitter in time (after TS flounders)
295   richwicks   2022 Apr 28, 4:11pm  

Hircus says
But I suspect hell go back to twitter in time (after TS flounders)


Musk may find out he can't change Twatter and in which case Truth Social can be a competitor.

Trump may find out that Truth Social does OK even despite Twatter doing well and reforming as well, but could angle that into a buyout of Truth Social by Twatter.

I don't think Trump should go back to Twatter not just yet, but TS needs a fucking web interface.
296   Tenpoundbass   2022 Apr 28, 5:18pm  

Elon Musk posted this earlier
297   Hircus   2022 Apr 28, 5:33pm  

I really like this one.


Although if a bad actor were to want access to someone's DMs, I dont see why they cant just turn off the encryption, or man in the middle it. Of course you probably need to change twitter code to do that, but big govt can make that happen. But, at least theres a chance, assuming the e2e is done well, that they cannot read past DMs, only future DMs after changing the code.

I wonder how many twitter employees have been spying on conservative DMs?
298   richwicks   2022 Apr 28, 7:37pm  

Hircus says
But, at least theres a chance, assuming the e2e is done well, that they cannot read past DMs,


The only reason to have a centralized server is to intercept communication today. I'm working with NAT traversal right now which allows your machine to DIRECTLY communicate with my machine (through multiple servers of course, but not a centralized one - just switches). This is frustratingly hard as shit to figure out how it works, but once you understand it, it's amazingly simple.

Skype was E2E P2P originally. Making P2P is entirely undocumented (I'LL FIX THAT GOD DAMN IT) but one you get past that point, E2E is truly possible.

The whole internet today is based on the idea that these two things are "hard to do" - and they aren't.
299   GNL   2022 Apr 28, 7:56pm  

Tenpoundbass says
Elon Musk posted this earlier

Overton window?
300   richwicks   2022 Apr 28, 8:06pm  

WineHorror1 says
Overton window?


No, the "Overton Window" is from center to the left in the last drawing. Overton Window is what beliefs and thoughts are allowed to be discussed dictated by the media in polite society. You can't discuss the (now) 800 people who are in prison for protesting that they thought was an rigged election on January 6th within that context. Who mentions it? Nobody does, so you can't either.
301   pudil   2022 Apr 28, 8:11pm  

richwicks says
Hircus says
But, at least theres a chance, assuming the e2e is done well, that they cannot read past DMs,


The only reason to have a centralized server is to intercept communication today. I'm working with NAT traversal right now which allows your machine to DIRECTLY communicate with my machine (through multiple servers of course, but not a centralized one - just switches). This is frustratingly hard as shit to figure out how it works, but once you understand it, it's amazingly simple.

Skype was E2E P2P originally. Making P2P is entirely undocumented (I'LL FIX THAT GOD DAMN IT) but one you get past that point, E2E is truly possible.

The whole internet today is based on the idea that these two things are "hard to do" - and they aren't.


Sorry I’m not specialized like you and I’m sure this is a dumb question, but isn’t this what the entire internet is designed to do?

Like you have a server you want to communicate with, all you have to do is know the IP. There’s no central server required. Traffic gets routed dynamically however it needs to go.

NAT only comes in because there aren’t enough ip addresses, but you just need to setup a port forward from your router.

This is how I’m able to watch my Plex server when I’m away from home. Plex isn’t routing all my traffic through their servers, that would cost a fortune. Pretty sure lots of stuff works like this. Do things like Plex where I have to setup a port forward still route traffic through a central server?
302   AmericanKulak   2022 Apr 28, 11:00pm  

Tenpoundbass says
Elon Musk posted this earlier

Confirmed by Pew Q&A.





Keep in mind Pew has been asking the same set of questions in all of these surveys. While Republicans softened on Gay Marriage, they hardened a notch on Economic issues, and in 20 years went about half a single point to the right.

Whereas the Dems went hole hog to the left from "5" to "2" on both Social AND Economic Issues during these periods.

Also notice how tall the furthest left shoulder is compared to the right in 2015.
303   richwicks   2022 Apr 28, 11:24pm  

pudil says
Sorry I’m not specialized like you and I’m sure this is a dumb question, but isn’t this what the entire internet is designed to do?


Quick answer: Yes it is!

EDIT: Making this shorter:

It's not now because of NAT. NAT was a baind-aid while we waited for IPV6 that never came. IPV4 allows you to share multiple computers with one IP address, and this means that a machine on the outside world can't connect directly to any computer behind the NAT without setup. To prove it, try access my computer with IPV6 on ports 22, 80, or 443.

$ ifconfig
inet6 2600:1700:2320:9d60::44 prefixlen 128 scopeid 0x0
inet6 2600:1700:2320:9d60:88d:8c6f:361a:a724 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x0
inet6 2600:1700:2320:9d60:d62f:ae45:f444:f8b1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x0
inet6 2600:1700:2320:9d60:6cf3:ad01:102c:3c9 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x0
inet6 2600:1700:2320:9d60:9c4e:ddde:9e1f:f7c3 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x0

Those are global addresses, supposedly. GLOBAL addresses don't route properly, the excuse is "well, we haven't gotten IPV6 fully running yet" - the IPV6 scheme was made in the 1980s before web browsers existed.

Now you CAN put "holes" in your router to router incoming packets to particular computers, like I'm doing with this:

https://samoyed.dynu.net/?source=patrick.net

(that's my machine)

pudil says
NAT only comes in because there aren’t enough ip addresses, but you just need to setup a port forward from your router.


You know Joe 6-Pack isn't going to do that. I know engineers in Silicon Valley that won't change the default ANYTHING on their NAT router. It's really neat that I can access my computer remotely, took a few minutes to setup. I have tons of books, films, audio files on my computer. I have work on this machine. This machine is a real server.

pudil says
This is how I’m able to watch my Plex server when I’m away from home. Plex isn’t routing all my traffic through their servers, that would cost a fortune. Pretty sure lots of stuff works like this. Do things like Plex where I have to setup a port forward still route traffic through a central server?


They have solutions for specific problems and reading about it:

https://support.plex.tv/articles/200289506-remote-access/?source=patrick.net

It's using NAT traversal, with an ACCOUNT. I see it needs "Plex-Pass" - a subscription service: https://www.plex.tv/plex-pass/?source=patrick.net. It's also using NAT-PMP which is astonishingly rare but really, NAT-PMP isn't needed STUN works very well and it's simple.

You can have a solution for EVERY thing not just for video. All these old protocols, mail, USEnet, ytalk, all this old stuff, it can be brought back. You can run it on a raspberry pi, 10 watts, and hang a 10 TB drive off from it. Patrick really COULD run this site off from a raspberry pi at home, but then you'd be like "what? I need to install this app to be able to access Patrick's website? FFFf that", but it would be impossible to censor anybody. They'd have to go to Patrick's home, and confiscated his machine.

NO servers, NO subscription, NONE of that bullshit. Can't trust corporations.
304   Patrick   2022 Apr 29, 9:17am  

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/this-is-this/?source=patrick.net


The government’s first counter-move, under the vividly deliquescing “Joe Biden” — whose treasonous corruption became Twitter’s job-one to conceal — was to concoct a brand-new agency under Homeland Security called the Disinformation Governance Board, to be run by one Nina Jankowicz, “internationally-recognized expert on disinformation and democratization,” who also happened to be a RussiaGate shill and publicist for the fifty national security officials who labeled the Hunter Biden laptop story “Russian disinformation” (turned out: not). In other words, America now has a “truth” kommissar who is a soldier in the War on Truth.

Such a desperately stupid maneuver could only come from a regime close to collapse — just as the feculent particulars on Hunter Biden’s laptop are being revealed by many in possession of copies of the laptop’s hard-drive, and while, concurrently, the US attorney in Delaware, David Weiss, leads an investigation into Hunter B’s business dealings. Those include large-ish payments from nations hostile to American interests for opaque services rendered. So, you have a chief executive (“JB”) compromised mentally and legally, and installed via a janky primary and a dubious election, and, some young cookie fresh out of the Princeton fellowship matrix is going to defend him like Wonder Woman wielding her Magic Lasso of Aphrodite?

Homey don’t think so. Homey think the whole wretched episode of orchestrated national mindfuckery is about to come a’tumblin’ down, along with the miserable ghoul in the Oval Office. And that will be followed by the fun of seeing them try to eject Kamala Harris from the scene and replacing her with the likes of Barack or Michele Obama. (Don’t believe it? Just watch.) Of course, all that will be small potatoes to the reveal of cosmic ineptitude or gross criminality (perhaps both!) that is bound to come as Twitter opens up to discussion of our government’s role in the Covid-19 fiasco — which I aimed to help kick off with my first Tweet in long long time, viz:







That is a Tweet that would have instantly gotten you banned only about a week ago. I had to check that it's really there:

https://twitter.com/Jhkunstler/status/1519479746010169345?source=patrick.net#m
305   Patrick   2022 Apr 29, 10:09am  

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1520017094007476224?cxt=HHwWgMCyzcvfl5gqAAAA&source=patrick.net


Elon Musk
@elonmusk
The far left hates everyone, themselves included!
5:28 AM · Apr 29, 2022·Twitter for iPhone
306   Shaman   2022 Apr 29, 10:54am  

Elon seems on track to become a hero to conservatives.
I wonder how this will affect sales of Tesla cars? They’re still back ordered from Liberals, but now will conservatives be interested in driving something that fills up with electrons? Was this whole move to free Twitter a ploy to get the right half of the country into a place where they’re willing to consider buying a Tesla?
307   rocketjoe79   2022 Apr 29, 11:26am  

Shaman says
Elon seems on track to become a hero to conservatives.
I wonder how this will affect sales of Tesla cars? They’re still back ordered from Liberals, but now will conservatives be interested in driving something that fills up with electrons? Was this whole move to free Twitter a ploy to get the right half of the country into a place where they’re willing to consider buying a Tesla?


Conservatives have likely bought more Teslas: they have jobs that pay enough money to afford a Tesla. I'm a conservative. I invested in the Company at the beginning of COVID and got lucky: it went 5x. I traded off 80% of my shares (overweight), left the proceeds in my portfolio to grow, and bought a Tesla because I could now afford the payments.
The Model Y is a great car with near zero maintenance and costs about $20 a fillup.
308   AmericanKulak   2022 Apr 29, 12:00pm  

I'm waiting on the Cybertruck, coolest looking car since the ealy 60s Thunderbird and can tow like a champ.
309   socal2   2022 Apr 29, 12:14pm  

AmericanKulak says
I'm waiting on the Cybertruck, coolest looking car since the ealy 60s Thunderbird and can tow like a champ.


That will likely be my next one too.

Meanwhile, absolutely loving the shit out of my new Model Y. I am 3+ months in and still can't get over how powerful and fast this thing is...
311   Tenpoundbass   2022 Apr 29, 1:24pm  

Shaman says
Elon seems on track to become a hero to conservatives.


It's quite possible that Elon knows America needs a new hero, and is using that to buy up Twitter. He will then use that as a catalyst to rebuild Twitter in a free speech platform. Build it up as an Elon Musk company taking it well over $1,000 a share, only then to sell it right back to the bastards that fucked it up in the first place. But pocketing the biggest profit ever made on a single purchase.
But yeah it will be a hell of a ride in the meantime.
312   gabbar   2022 Apr 29, 1:28pm  

If Elon does try to build Twitter into a truly free speech platform, he is likely to get JFKed. I don't think its gonna happen in reality.
313   EBGuy   2022 Apr 29, 1:38pm  

Tenpoundbass says
Elon Musk posted this earlier

By the way, you saw it first on Pat.net last December.
https://patrick.net/post/1342889?offset=0#comment-1804774

The guy who drew it, Colin Wright, also co-wrote this WSJ editorial: The Dangerous Denial of Sex .
315   richwicks   2022 Apr 29, 1:41pm  

gabbar says
If Elon does try to build Twitter into a truly free speech platform, he is likely to get JFKed. I don't think its gonna happen in reality.


I don't think Musk is going to try. Remember the brewhaha over Musk smoking a joint on the Rogan Show? They were threatening to remove his security clearance.

He's false opposition.

Twitter has always been a cesspool, I don't think it's going to change. I think the more radical (and dumb) people are going to be pitted against one another, stuff like Creationist Fundamentalist that thinks that Earth is Flat versus Liberal transgendered moron with a womyns study degree that knows nothing about science but believes everything "the science" says. Two intractable positions where neither is smart enough to progress beyond. It will be hard far right versus the hard far left, and the middle will just be caught in between them.

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