patrick.net

Aaaaaaand, Tesla is moving their engineering HQ back to CA:

Tesla Motors is taking over the former headquarters of HP in Palo Alto as its new global engineering HQ.

Musk, who has been spending a lot of time in the Bay Area due to his recent purchase of Twitter, made the announcement next to California Gov. Gavin Newsom in front of the building at 1501 Page Mill Road.

“This is a poetic transition from the company that founded Silicon Valley to Tesla,” Musk said, noting that Newsom was one of the first people to purchase a Tesla Roadster.

richwicks says

He's not on the flight logs to pedophile rape island. I know that's a low bar, but that's where the bar is.

He said he was at an event and got photo bombed, which happens all the time.

Elon is a real man who is interested in producing a large brood with fertile adult women, rather than chasing perversions. Two wives and he had twins with a female executive of his: 9 kids in total (10, but one died in infancy).

Eman says

RWSGFY says

Was there a reason why you didn’t include Elon’s comment where he said she photobombed him on this pic?

Never seen his comment. Besides, how do we know it's true? Until Hirsh and Gonzalo confirm I'm not buying it yet.

Join Elon in following this interesting twitter thread. I am a dumbo and I got a question; is America fighting wars on behalf of Jews?

gabbar says

I am a dumbo and I got a question; is America fighting wars on behalf of Jews?

What does Ukraine have to do with Jews?

RWSGFY says

Aaaaaaand, Tesla is moving their engineering HQ back to CA:

Makes sense as there is lots of engineering talent and empty HP buildings available in the Bay Area at bargain prices these days.

Tesla got their first factory in Fremont at a bargain price of $42 million back in 2010.

AmericanKulak says

gabbar says

I am a dumbo and I got a question; is America fighting wars on behalf of Jews?

What does Ukraine have to do with Jews?

Ihor Kolomoyskyi is the Jewish oligarch behind Zelenskyy. Ihor owned the television station that made Zelenskyy a "star" playing the president.

Mayors have been APPOINTED in Ukraine for years, I think 5 of them are Jewish. I've heard that repeatedly, but engh, I dunno. I've tried to confirm it, but names don't give any hint, and they aren't notable enough to show up to get a biography anywhere I can find.

But it's not so much Jewish, it's a Zionist mafia.

richwicks says

But it's not so much Jewish, it's a Zionist mafia.

I'm not hearing a coherent narrative about WHY Zionists support Ukraine. Nor is it true, going by Israeli public opinion.

It's like the old "Zionists want Europe Muslified" when most Jews in and out of Europe disliked it, and from a geopolitical perspective it makes no sense whatsoever. A Muslim Europe would simply cut off the entrance/exit to the Med (and the Suez, and the Bosphorous) to Israel, strangling it completely.

There's also this story, though it could be just for show:

Ukraine has launched a fresh wave of anti-corruption raids on high-profile figures, including one of the country's richest men, Ihor Kolomoisky.

The home of former interior minister Arsen Avakov was also searched, as part of the apparent purge.

Ukraine has launched an anti-corruption drive and officials said the leaders of the customs service had been fired.

President Volodymr Zelensky said raids were necessary to ensure "people do not abuse power".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64482072

And of course, one of Putin's top backers is the Jewish Russian Oligarch, Roman Abramovich. They are so close that Putin refers to him as a Son and uses the informal Russian "You" with him.

But the narrative will then be "Jews back both sides, to profit from war". So there's no ability to falsify: Either side or both sides, it's still evil Zionism.

More likely it's just two rich guys backing whatever country/leader the majority of their wealth depends on.

richwicks says

He's not on the flight logs to pedophile rape island. I know that's a low bar, but that's where the bar is.

What flight logs? Flying into STT? Not saying shit didn't go down, but just flying in means nothing. A private chopper doesn't need to be recored. So STT to the island on that is not traceable with passenger info. There's no landing strip on the island. It's a 15-20 minute boat ride as well. Again, no tracing.

It's probably the reason there's no charges of people accused of going there. It's a US territory, but Epstein's plane landed at STT. However they got to the island via private air or watercraft isn't trackable. ATC would know if a chopper went in or out, but you don't have to file a flight plan or names of people on board. So anyone on that jet landing at STT has plausible deniability that they never went to Epstein's island. It was really a brilliant setup if that's your jam.

Rockefeller owned damn near the entire island of St. John. Likely the original Epstein island, but gave it to NPS, probably because of similar shit going down like Epstein. Probably part of some payoff for the government not to charge him with shady shit.

https://twitter.com/PATBR0DY/status/1631107293134585857?ref_src=patrick.net



So why am I banned from Twitter for saying "Trans is mental illness"?

And no, I'm NOT going back and copying the links to each of the 3 screenshotted tweets. The date and time stamp and usernames involved are there if you're skeptical. Twitter has a search function for dates, times, users, etc.

https://zapier.com/blog/twitter-advanced-search-guide/

AmericanKulak says

He should go ahead and label CNN as an arm of the Demon Rat party.

For lazy Ass Burgers: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1634336094664916992?ref_src=patrick.net

They trying to honeypot Elon?

https://patriots.win/p/16aTekiXWj/last-week-twitter-locked-my-acco/c/



So how do I get my Twitter account unlocked then?

I'm still locked out for saying the same thing:

Hey, the "appeal" links without forcing me to give them my phone number. OK, I tried the appeal thing, though I have very little faith in Twitter's supposed commitment to free speech anymore.

Twitter allowed me back on:



But the damage is done.

Twitter is still not at all trustworthy, and therefore not worth any great investment of time.

Did he or did he not get rid of bots? It seems like he's still broadcasting news from the future on how "AI will get them pesky bots this time for good".

AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

But it's not so much Jewish, it's a Zionist mafia.

I'm not hearing a coherent narrative about WHY Zionists support Ukraine.

@AmericanKulak

They don't support Ukraine, they oppose Russia, because Russia kicked out and prosecuted a bunch of Zionist criminals starting around 2000.

Israel is run by a mafia. Portions of that mafia were prosecuted and stripped of their wealth and power in the early 2000's. This war is revenge for that. They do not care about Ukrainians, and they will kill every single one of them for revenge. Ukrainians are just useful tools to them in this endeavor.

People just don't understand the situation. Our nation is controlled by this same mafia. Ever hear of "ZOG"? It stands for Zionist Occupied Government. There's some reality to this claim, why did the US go to war with Iraq? Well, since the US did its last war against Iraq, Israel receives 75% of it's oil energy from Iraq and 10 years before that war, Iraq was sending missiles to Israel. Iraq is Zionist controlled now and the United States enabled that.

Zionists are nothing more than the Jewish mafia and their useful idiots, of which there are plenty. People who say they are Zionists almost universally don't understand what that means to say. This is a criminal, Jewish supremacist, group. They are criminals, and they create their own problems, and they drag other nations into their conflicts, because "the holocaust" - which is VASTLY over-exaggerated. There WAS a holocaust, but nothing like we're told. There were no bars of soap made out of Jewish bodies, no lampshades made from their skin, Jews (among MANY OTHER GROUPS) were put into forced labor camps, the allies cut off supply lines to cripple the war effort, and that's why we saw those horrific pictures of walking skeletons. People who couldn't work, were put to death, but not at Auschwitz - that's Pedowood fiction and US government propaganda.

I hate getting into this because there's SO MUCH you have to unlearn. There is so much bullshit from WWII that was propaganda for the war, which is accepted as true, which isn't true. It was horrific, all wars are, but we are told STUPID stories about the time, which people believe and deprogramming the population, showing them this was just 70 year old propaganda, is arduous - but there were horrific things that happened, every war has horrific things happen. WWII was no particular exception, but bring it up, and everything thinks "holocaust". You are PROGRAMMED to think this, all you think is "oh, the poor Jewish people", you've been indoctrinated. Everybody is subject to this. Jewish people did NOT suffer uniquely in WWII.

Sorting out the reality, is not difficult once you realize most of what you think you know about WWII is bullshit but convincing you it's bullshit, making you jump over that gorge, it's difficult.

Listen to David Irving, he's not ENTIRELY correct probably, but he's far more right than he is wrong, and just for being right, he's called a "Holocaust Denier" - he isn't at all. His crime was pointing out what was and what wasn't propaganda in WWII. He got destroyed for doing this, so when I touch this topic, I'm careful. You have Norman Finkelstein and Bobby Fischer as well - you can't easily touch this subject, the mafia will go after you. Finkelstein and Fischer are both Jewish, even they weren't above the mafia going after them, but they were courageous, they did something unthinkable, they went against the mafia, the Jewish mafia, which is as real as the Italian mafia, and the Japanese and the Yakuza.

Israel is just a mafia state, racist in origin and founding. It takes time to explain this, but it's obvious. This is a nation that is founded on ETHNICITY. You know this is true, you'd typically object to this for any other nation, but not Israel. We're all programmed, we are all indoctrinated, you cannot escape propaganda, and I can't despite being very aware of it.

I pointed out that Russia had a bunch of Zionist mafia assholes with undue influence on that nation. Who do you think Jamie Dimon is? Mark Zuckerberg? Victoria Nuland
Robert Kagan? Joe Lieberman? We have the same fucking problem, but oh they are all Jewish, the holocaust! You're programmed that way, and I am as well. How did these fucking assholes do all this terrible shit? They are mafia. They aren't exceptional geniuses, they were placed into these positions of power. I can give you more names, Albert Bourla, Janet Yellen, Henry Kissinger, George Soros, Ihor Kolomoyskyi, Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Why are these AWFUL people in positions of power? They are the Jewish mafia. They do war though deception. Who is the Prince of Lies in Christian mythology? That's who they serve.

AmericanKulak says

It's like the old "Zionists want Europe Muslified" when most Jews in and out of Europe disliked it

MOST Italians weren't part of the Italian mafia. MOST Japanese aren't part of the Yakuza.

Zionists, the Jewish mafia, go OUT OF THEIR WAY to conflate themselves with just "Jews". 99.9% of Jews are innocent and a good portion (I'd say over 90%) are dupes, and have no idea that Zionists are their mafia. They're clueless. They are truly innocent, but they have been recruited into being shields, because nearly all of them 100% believe in a hoax that's 70 years old. They believe they are victims, when there's a SMALL portion of them that are terrible victimizers.

Karl Marx was Jewish. How many people died in implementing his ideas? Look at his life, you'll see what a filthy disgusting hypocrite he was.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1640298603670388739?ref_src=patrick.net

https://thefederalist.com/2023/03/29/twitter-bans-federalist-ceo-sean-davis-for-reporting-on-trans-day-of-vengeance-following-nashville-shooting/

Federalist CEO Sean Davis was locked out of his Twitter account Tuesday night for factually reporting on the “Trans Day Of Vengeance” following the deaths of three children and three staff members at a Christian school in Tennessee at the hands of a transgender shooter.

“The cold-blooded mass murder at a Christian school in Nashville by an apparent transgender person came just days before a planned ‘Trans Day Of Vengeance’ organized by the Trans Radical Activist Network,” wrote Davis.

According to Twitter, Davis’ objectively true tweet violates the app’s rules “against violent speech.” Twitter has already deleted the tweet but informed Davis his account will remain locked until he manually deletes it as well. Davis, however, is refusing to participate in Twitter’s Orwellian re-education exercise.

“This is deliberate censorship and gaslighting designed to memory-hole the FACT that the Nashville shooter targeted and murdered Christian children and teachers just days ahead of a scheduled ‘Trans Day of Vengeance,’” Davis wrote in a statement. “Twitter is lying about the facts and defaming those of us who reported on them.”

Davis is not the only one to be censored on Tuesday. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Daily Wire journalist Luke Rosiak were also punished for reporting on the “Trans Day Of Vengeance.”

According to Twitter’s head of trust and safety, Ella Irwin, Twitter had to “automatically sweep our platform and remove >5000 tweets /retweets of [the ‘Trans Day of Vengeance’] poster.”

Davis didn’t share the poster with his statement, however. He linked to a Daily Wire news story about the topic that included the poster as part of its good journalism.

Elon, you're still fucking this up.

richwicks says

I hate getting into this because there's SO MUCH you have to unlearn. There is so much bullshit from WWII that was propaganda for the war, which is accepted as true, which isn't true. It was horrific, all wars are, but we are told STUPID stories about the time, which people believe and deprogramming the population, showing them this was just 70 year old propaganda, is arduous - but there were horrific things that happened, every war has horrific things happen. WWII was no particular exception, but bring it up, and everything thinks "holocaust". You are PROGRAMMED to think this, all you think is "oh, the poor Jewish people", you've been indoctrinated. Everybody is subject to this. Jewish people did NOT suffer uniquely in WWII.

Very light on proof, very heavy on assertion.

richwicks says

I pointed out that Russia had a bunch of Zionist mafia assholes with undue influence on that nation. Who do you think Jamie Dimon is? Mark Zuckerberg? Victoria Nuland

Evidence? Zuckbuck and Dimon have bupkes to do with Ukraine-Russia. Nuland is a Neocon. Princeton Professor Cohen, who passed in the last few years, warned against antagonizing Russia by using Ukraine and was a regular on the John Batchelor show.

richwicks says

Robert Kagan? Joe Lieberman? We have the same fucking problem, but oh they are all Jewish, the holocaust! You're programmed that way, and I am as well. How did these fucking assholes do all this terrible shit? They are mafia. They aren't exceptional geniuses, they were placed into these positions of power. I can give you more names, Albert Bourla, Janet Yellen, Henry Kissinger, George Soros, Ihor Kolomoyskyi, Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Why are these AWFUL people in positions of power? They are the Jewish mafia. They do war though deception. Who is the Prince of Lies in Christian mythology? That's who they serve.

Assertions. Sure, Kagan and Nuland - who I believe are not only Neocons but related by blood or marriage - have similar opinions, imagine family members sharing opinions

You FEEL like any powerful Jew is behind Ukraine, but you don't have evidence for this. Pre-Musk Twitter was all for Ukraine but they're mostly South Asians.

Let's see extraordinary proof, for your extraordinary claims.

Zionism is merely Hebrew Nationalism. For example, just like IRISH nationalists in Clan-na-Gael attacked US Ships, tried to Poison US Horse herds, and blew up Black Tom to help the Kaiser and hurt the British, Zionists attacked the British who never created the Jewish Home they promised in the Balfour Document and in fact already gave the Levantine Arabs their homeland in Jordan, 2/3rd of Mandatory Palestine, in the 1920s.

As for the Prince of Lies being Jews, that's old fart Central European Superstition from the time before the Bible was readily available and when most Priests were illiterate themselves. The Prince of Lies is Satan, who omits key words when quoting the Psalms in Matthew. This Jewish mafia is responsible for psychology, capitalism, socialism, underdevelopment, over investment, and whatever Bad Thing(tm) needs a scapegoat.

I urge you to consider your position in light of available evidence, rather than updating an old discredited ideology for modern times.

richwicks says

Listen to David Irving, he's not ENTIRELY correct probably, but he's far more right than he is wrong, and just for being right, he's called a "Holocaust Denier" - he isn't at all. His crime was pointing out what was and what wasn't propaganda in WWII. He got destroyed for doing this, so when I touch this topic, I'm careful. You have Norman Finkelstein and Bobby Fischer as well - you can't easily touch this subject, the mafia will go after you. Finkelstein and Fischer are both Jewish, even they weren't above the mafia going after them, but they were courageous, they did something unthinkable, they went against the mafia, the Jewish mafia, which is as real as the Italian mafia, and the Japanese and the Yakuza.

Zionism predates the Holocaust by almost a century. Zionism dates from the Dreyfuss affair, when an innocent Jewish artillery captain was accused of treason and it was later proven he was framed.

In any case, with the Nuclear Triad, Israel isn't going anywhere. Especially with the birthrate of the most militant Jews being over 3 and now exceeding the Fakestinian Levantine Arabs who control 90% of the Levant from Jordan to Lebanon to Syria to Iraq.

Nobody is going to risk their home being nuked to satisfy Judenhass.

Jew blame is just a version of Black paranoia: "Deys put the liquor stores done by the Bus Stops, man, the White Man did that, and wes would be like Wakanda with spaceships if it wasn't for De White Man"

"It's the Jew fault I pawned my sword and uniform to buy beer and gamble on horse races", said former Sargeant Taddeuz. "He also made my Uncle's cow go dry and Sheeeit-zy."

AmericanKulak says

Evidence? Zuckbuck and Dimon have bupkes to do with Ukraine-Russia. Nuland is a Neocon. Princeton Professor Cohen, who passed in the last few years, warned against antagonizing Russia by using Ukraine and was a regular on the John Batchelor show.

If you can't identify what Viktor Zelenskyy, Ihor Kolomoyskyi, Mark Zuckerberg, Jamie Dimon, Victora Nuland have in common..

There's people IN the mafia, and people that aren't. You can be in group A, which is ENTIRELY within group B. Not every Italian was part of the Italian mafia, but there was and still is an Italian mafia. Now you can work for the mafia if you're not Italian, but usually you're stuck at 2nd tier at best. If you're not Italian, it's INCREDIBLY rare to be running a subgroup of the mafia, but it happens. It's rare because cultural nepotism is involved.

AmericanKulak says

You FEEL like any powerful Jew is behind Ukraine, but you don't have evidence for this. Pre-Musk Twitter was all for Ukraine but they're mostly South Asians.

I believe, but cannot independently prove, that all the appointed mayors, are Jewish Zionists. This is a claim of Ryan Dawson, and he is quite reliable but I can't tell by the names of course, and I don't know how he verified it.

Twitter is just government. Twitter was created exclusively as a propaganda tool. They've always had censorship and they always will. I don't expect Musk to change it, he's not ideological, he's a businessman who has made a crapload of money with government cooperation.

AmericanKulak says

Zionism is merely Hebrew Nationalism.

The KKK was merely anglo-saxon protestant nationalism. They have precisely the same goals.

AmericanKulak says

Zionists attacked the British who never created the Jewish Home they promised in the Balfour Document

What right did the British have to do this? The Balfour Declaration says this:

His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

You've never read it have you?

AmericanKulak says

As for the Prince of Lies being Jews, that's old fart Central European Superstition.

I didn't say it was "Jews". I pointed out that the motto of the Mossad is "By Way of Deception, We Shall do War".

AmericanKulak says

I urge you to consider your position in light of available evidence, rather than updating an old discredited ideology for modern times.

It just doesn't fucking matter. Being aware of what is going on, doesn't change what is going on.

That's why I hate talking about this subject.

AmericanKulak says

Zionism predates the Holocaust by almost a century.

Zionism has been around for hundreds and hundreds of years, it didn't start with Theodor Herzl, he didn't invent it.

AmericanKulak says

Zionism dates from the Dreyfuss affair

No. The word might, not the movement.

AmericanKulak says

Israel isn't going anywhere.

Well, duh. Israel will eventually entirely contain the West Bank, they will retake Gaza in time, and they will control entirely Southern Syria which is all but annexed anyhow, and they would have expanded into Lebanon, but Hezbollah has stopped them, for now.

richwicks says

You've never read it have you?

"National home" suggests a NATIONal Home.

No reading of "national home" could be any less, at a bare minimum, of an autonomous region within a state where the majority ethnicity is dominant in law making and day-to-day control. There was no interest in this from the Arab quarter, most of whom weren't even Arabs, but Bosniak settlers brought in at the same time as Zionists by the Ottoman Empire. The terrorist Tamimi clan are blonde and blue eyed Muslim Bosnians, so was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

Considering the British and French created 4 Arab States out of the Levant, including giving 2/3 of Palestine to Arabs a few years after being handed the territory after WW1, they had plenty of time to negotiate a Jewish state. Zionists were willing to settle for Tel Aviv and a few miles around, like a Hong Kong. No Deal, said the Arabs, Dhimmis must be UNDER Arabs, no autonomous region, no nothing.

That's why Arabs were happy when fellow Arab Egypt illegally occupied Gaza and Arab (Fakestinian, even) Jordan illegally occupied Judea-Samaria ("west bank" if you're from Jordan) and launched no Intifada - even though both were dictatorships or absolute monarchies. Nor is democracy a concern because elections are about a decade overdue in Gaza and years delayed in the Fakestine Authority.

The whole thing is about Arab supremacy, which is why there is no Kurdish State and why Christians have been disempowered in Lebanon, and expelled from Bethlehem by the PA.

There are similar conflicts in Burma, Pakistan/Baluchistan, India/Punjab, Sri Lanka, all over Africa, and of course in East and SE Asia. Baathist dictators in Syria and Iraq have made Arab colonization of Kurdish areas a top priority and have used poison gas attacks in Iraq. Many other conflicts are far bloodier, such as the various wars in Yemen, which included an Egyptian-Saudi War also involving gas attacks. None get the attention because the Great Boogaboo (((Parenthesis people))) aren't involved. In fact, the entire Arab-Israel conflict barely makes the top 10, including all wars, raids, and terror, of all the Middle Eastern wars since the end of WW2. Arab Supremacy makes it a symbol of Arab Unity, but recent decades have chipped away at that ideal. The real Middle East fault line is Sunni-Shi'a, then Arab-Persian.

In any case, the state of Israel isn't going anywhere, more conservative Jews are reproducing now at a rate exceeding the Fakestinian Levantine Arabs, and the Gulf States are increasingly cooperating while Egypt sees Gaza more and more as a Terror Supporting outpost on their border, hence their 3 layer wall with Gaza (that nobody mentions because it calls into question why Fakestines can't just get things from Egypt and puts a kabosh on the silly Open Air Prison camp with 4 indoor multistory malls oppression baloney story).

AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

You've never read it have you?

"National home" suggests a NATIONal Home.

Stop this. The Balfour Declartion was very specific that the civil and religious rights of non Jews in the region.

Israel didn't follow this, they agreed to it, but broke it. Do not use the Balfour Declaration as justification for the existence of Israel, for this reason. Even if England had a right to do this, Israel didn't follow the restrictions of the Balfour Declaration.

Look, the first UN Resolution they broke was 194, after they murdered Count Bernadotte because he might have ended the civil war. The government is Israel is just a group of thugs and terrorists, they are completely a mafia. The blew up the King David Hotel, they did the Sargeant's Affair, they did the Lavon Affair, they attacked the US Liberty, they have a nuclear weapons program and won't joint the IAEA - even IRAN has.

I don't care what they do, but it's fucking insulting to have my nation constantly sending them money. These assholes won't agree to treaties and follow them, when even the UNITED STATES does, and I find my nation to be EXTREMELY dishonest and hypocritical. Israel is even worse.

AmericanKulak says

Considering the British and French created 4 Arab States out of the Levant, including giving 2/3 of Palestine to Arabs a few years after being handed the territory after WW1, they had plenty of time to negotiate a Jewish state. Zionists were willing to settle for Tel Aviv and a few miles around, like a Hong Kong. No Deal, said the Arabs,

Is this surprising to you?

Why are "the Arabs" a single group to you, when they are constantly at war with one another?

Look, Israel can do whatever the fuck they want, my objection to what they are doing, is my country is involved with it. My country shouldn't be involved with it. They are a separate nation, let them stand on their own.

The duplicity of the United States and dishonesty they exhibit by pretending, falsely, to be neutral arbitrators just creates animosity - and what good does this do for this nation or the people of this nation?

Nothing. THAT is my objection.

Every group has their mafia as well. I don't want our mafia involved with this mafia, because it fucks over our mafia, and by extension, the rest of us.

AmericanKulak says

The whole thing is about Arab supremacy, which is why there is no Kurdish State and why Christians have been disempowered in Lebanon, and expelled from Bethlehem by the PA.

Michel Aoun is the president of Lebanon right now. He's a Christian.

richwicks says

Stop this. The Balfour Declartion was very specific that the civil and religious rights of non Jews in the region.

I'd be hard pressed to find the idea of NATIONal Home means much less than a nation.

The very minimalist reading of "National Home" means an autonomous region of another state, with the ethnicity in full control of daily affairs, and not Dhimmi Second-class citizens who need permission to build or repair a holy site.

In any case, we saw the security of Jews in the Middle East - confiscation and expulsion before Israel was even created. All anti-semitism in the West was really brought back during the Crusades, including the idea of the Yellow Star and special dress for Dhimmis (the Christians in Egypt and the Holy Land also had to wear special clothes and a badge).









And all of the PLO founders were born outside "Palestine". Yassir was from Egypt to one Egyptian and one Syrian parent, I forget but I think Shukeri was from outside Tyre in Lebanon. None of these areas were part of Ottoman Satraps or the British Mandate.

richwicks says

Israel didn't follow this, they agreed to it, but broke it. Do not use the Balfour Declaration as justification for the existence of Israel, for this reason. Even if England had a right to do this, Israel didn't follow the restrictions of the Balfour Declaration.

England had the right to hand off Ottoman territories surrendered to the Allies in WW1 as part of the peace treaties. It created King Faisal in Iraq, and King Hussein in Jordan. The French created Lebanon and Syria.

The people who claim UK had no right to create Israel, "forget" that Britain took 2/3rd of Mandatory Palestine and handed it to the House of Hussein, freshly expelled from Mecca and Medina by the House of Saud, as a British-friendly state. Then the British left without setting up a national home. They had too many interests in the MENA to bother pissing off Arab Muslims.

"The Europeans had no right to create Israel, though they never did. But they did have the right to create 4 other states".

In actuality, the Grand Mufti didn't even want a Muslim Palestine, he wanted a restoration of the Caliphate with headquarters in Damascus, and was well funded by Pakistanis in the Empire to lobby the British government for that after WW1.

AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

Stop this. The Balfour Declartion was very specific that the civil and religious rights of non Jews in the region.

I'd be hard pressed to find the idea of NATIONal Home means much less than a nation.

The very minimalist reading of "National Home" means an autonomous region of another state, with the ethnicity in full control of daily affairs, and not Dhimmi Second-class citizens who need permission to build or repair a holy site.

In any case, we saw the security of Jews in the Middle East - confiscation and expulsion before Israel was even created. All anti-semitism in the West was really brought back during the Crusades, including the idea of the Yellow Star and special dress for Dhimmis (the Christians in Egypt and the Holy Land also had to wear special clothes and a badge)....

I just get fed up with this bullshit. There is SO much propaganda around this issue, and I blame this poison for poisoning all our media. There's no bigger fucking bullshit than about Israel today.

I hate talking about this because there's so much bullshit about it, and then when I point out the bullshit, I have to go through all the fucking work of proving it's bullshit, and when I'm done doing this, INVARIABLY it doesn't change the opinion of whoever I'm talking with. It's just a stupid argument.

AmericanKulak says

In actuality, the Grand Mufti didn't even want a Muslim Palestine, he wanted a restoration of the Caliphate with headquarters in Damascus

Who gives a shit?

Even if this is true, does it justify the displacement of the indigenous population of what has become Israel? And who cares even if it does? Why is the US involved with this fucking war? Israel is in civil war and has been since 1948. Why are we involved?

We have constant, unending propaganda, 1/2 truths, even less to support Israel endlessly. It's just a bunch of assholes that invaded an area and think that their made up bullshit god justifies all this - even they don't believe it. It's just a source for conflict. Did you know that Nazareth doesn't exist, and never did? It's a mistranslated section of the King James Bible. "Jesus" was a "Nazarene" - this did not mean he was from Nazareth, it meant he didn't cut his hair. I believe Sikhs have this tradition, which is why they wear turbans. There is a town called Nazareth now, but it's a modern creation, tourist trap. It's another grift.

I am so goddamned tired of dishonesty and lies. When I was in my 20's I "wanted to know", at any cost, and I do largely know, now, and this has been at quite a cost. Honesty and truthfulness is not what our society values. It has separated me from most of humanity as a result. I can recognize propaganda and lies very well, I know how to recognize the truth - the truth is just consistent, television is nothing more than an unending stream of bullshit, and it's not erroneous, they are NOT making mistakes.

Most of the world is misinformed if not insane and reaching them, is just about impossible. It's not that they don't have the capability, it's that brainwashing is hard to break.

If you feel insulted that I'm implying you are brainwashed, don't be. Even I can be, even though I've been actively looking out for it for over 20 years. I'm on guard, but I can't avoid it. Nobody can, and anybody that thinks they are immune to it, they are completely brainwashed. There's not one single narrative of brainwashing, there's dozens and perhaps more. The lowest forms of brainwashing is "the left" and "the right".

richwicks says

I hate talking about this because there's so much bullshit about it, and then when I point out the bullshit, I have to go through all the fucking work of proving it's bullshit, and when I'm done doing this, INVARIABLY it doesn't change the opinion of whoever I'm talking with. It's just a stupid argument.

Just because there's Washington Consensus/NWO/Whatever propaganda, doesn't mean there isn't Soviet propaganda, Ba'athist Propaganda, hell millions are into North Korean Propaganda. Maybe the Fakestine thing is just propaganda.

Most people don't know the PLO was founded with a grant from the KGB who specifically selected Yassir Arafat to be leader, or that the founding 1964 PLO documents said West Bank of Jordan was legally Jordanian, and the PLO exists to wipe out all of Israel and restore it to Arab rule, with no desire for a self-governing Pal-arab state, they'd be happy to be taken over by any member of the United Arab Republic.

I know both the ultra left and ultra right hate Israel, and that George Soros hates Israel (he funded ISM, funded the Palestinian radical left terrorist - almost all of them are left like PFLP's Leila Khaled - that firebombed the NYPD car and got a wrist slap from radical left symp prosecutors. He's also told off Zionists who mistakenly invited him to speaking assuming he was pro-Israel), Baathist Nat Socs hate Israel, Susan Rosenberg and the Weathermen hate Israel (they attacked the IAI building during their DC Bombing campaign), that the EU and the "Sad Wise Uncle" Act Academics in Europe generally hate Israel.

Let's move this thread back to ELON MUSK stuff for a minute, since the NYT won't pay for a blue check.

If you read the comments, there's a lot of shitty content providers you've never heard of, but who knew somebody at twitter that gave them a blue check, and they're angry people can just pay for it instead of doing the hard work of knowing the right people. If that makes any sense.

Yep, I am shilling for Elon

gabbar says

richwicks says

Why is the US involved with this fucking war?

Its a business opportunity. Its about money and power. This is the essence.

No, it's because the US wanted to advance nuclear non-proliferation and back in 1994 entered the Budapest agreement guaranteeing Ukraine their sovereignty and territorial integrity in exchange for the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal. The CCCP and the UK were the other two guarantors. The CCCP is in obvious violation so the other two had to step in and help to repeal the Soviet agression.

PS. "richwicks" is not stupid, he just plays dumb in public for whatever (hopefully not monetary) reason. The above bit of history has been explained to him many times but he keeps "forgetting" and coming back every week pretending his brain has been erased and asking these naive "questions". Kinda like Cucker Tarlson, but with much less monetary success.

AmericanKulak says

Just because there's Washington Consensus/NWO/Whatever propaganda, doesn't mean there isn't Soviet propaganda, Ba'athist Propaganda, hell millions are into North Korean Propaganda. Maybe the Fakestine thing is just propaganda.

I am entirely aware of this. I am FAR more expert in American propaganda, because I live here, and I hear it constantly. I know when my government is lying, because they're so fucking bad at it.

I get tons of bullshit from @RWSGFY because he disagrees with my assessment of the Ukraine/Russian WAR, and it is a war. What he DOESN'T give me is the ability to reassess my point of view. Of course I realize Russia has propaganda, Pravda is NEARLY as stupid as CNN. Here - you can read it:

https://www-pravda-ru.translate.goog/?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Every nation engages in this fucking stupidity of lying to it's population, that's not my problem. My problem is my government lies to ME. Fuck you for lying to me.

I am not exposed constantly to Russian propaganda, because that is not included in our propaganda, our supposed "news". Neither is Arab propaganda in our "news". I am not affected by that. Our propaganda systems call every fucking thing "russian propaganda" when they want to hide it, it's a dog whistle for "the truth". The Hunter Biden's laptop was called "Russian propaganda", which simply meant "this is true information which we don't want people to look at, and if you do, we'll attack you". That's what Russian propaganda means in the NY Times, CNN, PBS, NPR, Fox News, the Washington Post, everybody. That's all it means.

AmericanKulak says

Most people don't know the PLO was founded with a grant from the KGB who specifically selected Yassir Arafat to be leader, or that the founding 1964 PLO documents said West Bank of Jordan was legally Jordanian, and the PLO exists to wipe out all of Israel and restore it to Arab rule, with no desire for a self-governing Pal-arab state, they'd be happy to be taken over by any member of the United Arab Republic.

Look, I don't look up in this situations (I don't look toward "authority"). The PLO, just like my government, and the Russian government, and the Israeli government is just a group of fucking thugs. I know people who had their family expelled from land in what is now Israel, because they weren't Jewish, they were Christian. Fuck the governments, governments don't represent anybody but themselves. The PLO is just a group of gangsters, just like the Likud is. They are no different.

AmericanKulak says

I know both the ultra left and ultra right hate Israel, and that George Soros hates Israel (he funded ISM, funded the Palestinian radical left terrorist - almost all of them are left like PFLP's Leila Khaled - that firebombed the NYPD car and got a wrist slap from radical left symp prosecutors

Fuck Soros, he's a goddamned traitor, notice our intelligence agencies and DOJ do nothing about it. He's a fucking criminal.

I just don't want my nation involved with Israel, and I want my fucking government to stop being such fucking criminals.

I guess that makes me a traitor. Well, those bastard ass suckers call me everything else. I'm not offended at this point.