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WookieMan says

Wouldn't work for people that have kids. No utility. What do people actually do?

My existing Tesla works absolutely fine for me (wife, 2 kids and a mother-in-law) and the majority of Americans that will never need to tow a thing or drive 10,000 miles a month in the frozen tundra.

My new lease payment is only $430 a month. I will save over $150/month in gas on top of that. You can't find a better deal to drive one of the planet's most advanced and FUN cars to operate.

socal2 says

WookieMan says

Wouldn't work for people that have kids. No utility. What do people actually do?

My existing Tesla works absolutely fine for me (wife, 2 kids and a mother-in-law) and the majority of Americans that will never need to tow a thing or drive 10,000 miles a month in the frozen tundra.

My new lease payment is only $430 a month. I will save over $150/month in gas on top of that. You can't find a better deal to drive one of the planet's most advanced and FUN cars to operate.

We don't pay gas. Get reimbursed monthly. Tow weekly. Camp frequently. Get off road to an extent. Just had 8 people in my wife's 4 Runner for the Chicago Marathon this weekend. One less car in the city.

We drive a lot and there's no chargers here in IL or WI without going 30 minutes out of your way and then waiting another 30-60 for a charge. We don't live in an urban area. Our time with worth exponentially more than a fun ride.

I can install the service to charge an EV in my home no problem. M-F fine, that would work. Charge at night, come the weekend, nope. It's not uncommon to travel 400 miles for us pulling a trailer or camper. Not one EV can do that by a long shot. We'd need to stop 3-4 times for a full charge. I'll golf with buddies. 4 dudes and 4 sets of clubs ain't gonna work and we'll drive 100 miles to golf. The human and golf club weight would easily cut 20% off the range.

Two of the people that were at the marathon with us had Teslas. I've driven one of theirs. They're middle of the road on the them. Fun to drive. Range anxiety. They live near where I do. One couldn't find a charge and ran out of battery. Not every place is CA. There really aren't that many chargers except in the city.

Even rural I can walk to a gas station in 5-10 minutes if I ran out of gas. Can't carry electric in a can. I'll be sticking with ICE vehicles the rest of my life. Even when the kids move out.

WookieMan says

I'll be sticking with ICE vehicles the rest of my life. Even when the kids move out.

You already own a battery operated golf cart!

Besides - by the time we are old and shouldn't be driving, we will be hauled around in Tesla's autonomous Cybercabs. They will probably have some Uber drones for greater distances too.

socal2 says

You already own a battery operated golf cart!

Yes. A cart. It's not a vehicle. There's no acronym for golf cart. It's a cart. It's not ATV, UTV, SUV, etc.

socal2 says

Besides - by the time we are old and shouldn't be driving, we will be hauled around in Tesla's autonomous Cybercabs. They will probably have some Uber drones for greater distances too.

No. I need to drive. I need control. I don't trust anything. My eyes works just fine. There are t-bone accidents that you cannot avoid regardless of a 1,000 sensors. I live in an area with cornfields at rural intersections. There's no way a Tesla can stop that. You have to get partially in the intersection when the cross traffic doesn't stop. Then people blow lights and stop signs. I'd have no faith.

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