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Our Tesla Model X SUV Had A 25%+ Price Increase In 18 Months
2022 Apr 30, 4:09am 2,833 views 14 comments
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komputodo
2022 May 17, 11:49am
komputodo
2022 May 17, 11:49am
ohomen171 says
Thats a steal...only 100k for a car to get you to costco and chik-fil-a
Elena and I bought a Tesla ModelX SUV. The total cost including State of California sales tax was $100,000
Thats a steal...only 100k for a car to get you to costco and chik-fil-a
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komputodo
2022 May 17, 11:50am
komputodo
2022 May 17, 11:50am
richwicks says
As long as there is lithium in the ground
You're paying for the lithium and it's not economically worthwhile to recycle - i.e. to recycle the battery takes more energy than to dig new lithium out of the ground.
As long as there is lithium in the ground
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richwicks
2022 May 17, 12:13pm
richwicks
2022 May 17, 12:13pm
komputodo says
Return on Energy Investment becomes the limiting factor - also China has a great deal of control on lithium production even though the top producer is Australia. The US isn't a significant producer. Since lithium is basically a strategic metal, those producers should band together. Electric cars - who cares? Cell phones and electronics they can quadruple the price easily. Apple charges $1,000 for a phone, they can afford to spend a bit more for a battery.
Ultimately, we need a better form of energy storage. Lithium is awesome, it's NEAR a theoretical maximum energy density, we're not going to get much better than that with a battery - maybe a fuel cell can do it, but with hydrogen there's a ton of problems with it.
From my point of view, the push to electric vehicles is not an economic one, it's pie in the sky green energy bullshit. On one hand, it has some conveniences, in that the motors are a lot simpler, but on the other hand, the materials for the battery are very expensive and the charge time is awful. You don't care of course if you're charging your car at work or in your garage - but then we don't have the necessary infrastructure for electricity distribution and I don't see any effort to fix that.
I worked in this industry, and there's just so much fucking bullshit with it. The grand vision of some stupid German twats is that your car will be used to store energy and dump it into the grid during off peak. It's got to be the dumbest idea ever. Every time you discharge your lithium ion battery, you reduce its lifespan. Meanwhile, there are SOME promising technologies if liquid metal batteries - these are batteries that are operating at like 400C with liquid metals - they have to be heated (and insulated) but because the anode and cathode are liquids and an electrolyte salt divides the anode and cathode (it's arranged as metal, salt, metal - all floating on top of one another) they literally never wear out. You get what are called dendrites (little spikey things) where the anode and cathode eventually touch and short out - these are liquid, so that never happens - there are no dendrites ever formed.
The downside, you can't move these around while they are in operation.
Trying to make an electric car today is kind of like trying to make a high speed train in 1900 using coal and steam. It could be done. We have technology to do this, SORT of, but it's too early and maybe even not ever practical.
Electric cars just aren't practical yet, not to replace ICE vehicles. People realize this, this is why there's a move to force everybody to work from home. They are trying to end the need for general mobility.
richwicks saysYou're paying for the lithium and it's not economically worthwhile to recycle - i.e. to recycle the battery takes more energy than to dig new lithium out of the ground.
As long as there is lithium in the ground
Return on Energy Investment becomes the limiting factor - also China has a great deal of control on lithium production even though the top producer is Australia. The US isn't a significant producer. Since lithium is basically a strategic metal, those producers should band together. Electric cars - who cares? Cell phones and electronics they can quadruple the price easily. Apple charges $1,000 for a phone, they can afford to spend a bit more for a battery.
Ultimately, we need a better form of energy storage. Lithium is awesome, it's NEAR a theoretical maximum energy density, we're not going to get much better than that with a battery - maybe a fuel cell can do it, but with hydrogen there's a ton of problems with it.
From my point of view, the push to electric vehicles is not an economic one, it's pie in the sky green energy bullshit. On one hand, it has some conveniences, in that the motors are a lot simpler, but on the other hand, the materials for the battery are very expensive and the charge time is awful. You don't care of course if you're charging your car at work or in your garage - but then we don't have the necessary infrastructure for electricity distribution and I don't see any effort to fix that.
I worked in this industry, and there's just so much fucking bullshit with it. The grand vision of some stupid German twats is that your car will be used to store energy and dump it into the grid during off peak. It's got to be the dumbest idea ever. Every time you discharge your lithium ion battery, you reduce its lifespan. Meanwhile, there are SOME promising technologies if liquid metal batteries - these are batteries that are operating at like 400C with liquid metals - they have to be heated (and insulated) but because the anode and cathode are liquids and an electrolyte salt divides the anode and cathode (it's arranged as metal, salt, metal - all floating on top of one another) they literally never wear out. You get what are called dendrites (little spikey things) where the anode and cathode eventually touch and short out - these are liquid, so that never happens - there are no dendrites ever formed.
The downside, you can't move these around while they are in operation.
Trying to make an electric car today is kind of like trying to make a high speed train in 1900 using coal and steam. It could be done. We have technology to do this, SORT of, but it's too early and maybe even not ever practical.
Electric cars just aren't practical yet, not to replace ICE vehicles. People realize this, this is why there's a move to force everybody to work from home. They are trying to end the need for general mobility.
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TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2022 May 17, 12:58pm
TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
2022 May 17, 12:58pm
My Coachman Legacy was $37k MSRP in May, 2021.
Today, the same model is $54k MSRP as of April, 2022. Same exact "Swatches" etc, and no new features.
Today, the same model is $54k MSRP as of April, 2022. Same exact "Swatches" etc, and no new features.
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komputodo
2022 May 17, 2:15pm
komputodo
2022 May 17, 2:15pm
richwicks says
But new battery technology is just around the corner...(said in 2000, 2010, 2020) LOL
Ultimately, we need a better form of energy storage
But new battery technology is just around the corner...(said in 2000, 2010, 2020) LOL
List Price of Vehicle: $114,990.00 US
State Sales Tax: $ 10,786.05 US
Total Drive Off Cost: $125,776.00 US
This indicates a price increase of over 25% in 18 months. Part of this price increase is inflation that is racking us now. Part has to do with chip shortages and higher prices of materials like lithium, nickel, rare earths, etc.
Tesla has a unique system of selling cars. One does not go to a dealer and buy a car. Rather, one goes to Tesla.com. The car and all its features are selected. Payment is arranged for the vehicle. The car is manufactured and sent to one of Tesla's distribution centers.
We have a Tesla distribution center a couple of miles from the house. The last time I drove by there I would estimate that in excess of 100 cars were on the lot awaiting the pickup from buyers. The higher prices do not seem to be hurting Tesla's sales or profits.