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Russian Black Sea Fleet is practically neutered.


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2022 May 9, 11:06am   30,845 views  259 comments

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After the dramatic sinking of the missile-cruiser Moskva by a Ukrainian missile battery on April 14, the Russian Black Sea Fleet is down to just three major surface combatants. The best and most important of them might be the new missile-frigate Admiral Makarov.
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On Thursday and Friday there were reports the Ukrainians had landed a blow with a Neptune and the frigate was on fire. There was no immediate hard evidence to back up the rumors, although one blurry video that circulated online does seem to depict a warship in flames.

Commissioned in 2017, Admiral Makarov is the third, last and most modern vessel in her class. All three of the Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates belong to the Black Sea Fleet. Armed with 24 Buk medium-range surface-to-air missiles and eight Kalibr cruise missiles, all in vertical cells, the frigates can escort other vessels and also attack targets on land.

Admiral Makarov and her sisters are not big ships. Displacing just 4,000 tons of water and accommodating 200 crew, they’re less than half the size of the U.S. Navy’s main surface combatants, the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers.

But the frigates are about as big as Russia can make a non-nuclear surface combatant these days, for reasons that—ironically—have everything to do with the current war. Throughout the Soviet era and for years after the USSR’s collapse, Russia acquired its big marine engines from Ukraine.

After Russia in 2014 invaded and annexed Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula—including the port of Sevastopol where Admiral Makarov now is based—Kyiv barred certain exports to Russia, including the marine engines Russia requires for any fast, conventional vessel displacing more than 5,000 tons or so.

Which is to say, after 2014 the Russian navy struggled to build big warships. That made it impossible to replace, like for like, the biggest Soviet-vintage ships such as Moskva, which displaced 12,000 tons.

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Moskva’s sinking, along with the earlier destruction of the Black Sea Fleet landing ship Saratov following an apparent hit by a Ukrainian ballistic missile, spooked fleet commanders. They pulled back the surviving surface ships.

Many, including one Admiral Grigorovich-class frigate—it’s not clear which—were moored in Sevastopol as recently as Thursday. When the warships do sail from Crimea, they tend to stay 100 miles or so from the Ukrainian coast, potentially keeping them beyond the range of Kyiv’s Neptunes.

Keeping at a safe distance meant the frigates apparently were in no position to help when the Ukrainian navy last week mounted a furious drone assault on the Russian garrison on Snake Island. The tiny hunk of rock, 25 miles off the coast of southwestern Ukraine, helped Kyiv assert some control over the western Black Sea—until the Russians captured it on the first full day of the current war on Feb. 24.

Ukrainian TB-2 drones knocked out Russian air-defenses on the island then went hunting deeper at sea. On Monday, a TB-2 struck two Russian Raptor-class patrol boats with laser-guided missiles, heavily damaging if not destroying both of the 55-foot boats as they motored toward Snake Island.

Without the protection of a frigate, the Raptors were sitting ducks. In that sense, sinking Moskva—and scaring off the rest of the Black Sea Fleet’s major combatants—was as good as sinking the frigates, too. It doesn’t matter that Russia still has three powerful warships in the Black Sea if those ships can’t, or won’t, risk approaching the Ukrainian coast.
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/05/06/the-russian-frigate-admiral-makarov-might-be-the-juiciest-target-in-the-black-sea/?sh=5439ecbb74d5&source=patrick.net

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239   WookieMan   2023 Dec 27, 1:22pm  

PeopleUnited says

The bear lives half way around the world. Why do we insist on poking the bear?

The bear is mean. But poking the bear is mean too. Don’t poke the bear!

Agree we shouldn't be involved. I think you got the animal wrong. The mouse. Don't poke the mouse.
240   zzyzzx   2023 Dec 27, 3:01pm  

The Russian Navy Sucks - Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1eJT1Gffas

The Russian Navy Sucks - Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9TkPUXLgTk

The Russian Navy Sucks - Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ogb_ydFTa4A&t=7s

The Russian Navy Sucks - Part 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPMt6SfVcVo

The Russian Navy Sucks - Part 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucDZ2MxubeQ&t=2s
241   AD   2023 Dec 27, 7:25pm  

I would not completely discount the Russian military. They are not deploying the best of their forces.

I think because Putin figures he can drag out the war while using essentially just Reserve forces or the B-listers and not the A-listers.
242   PeopleUnited   2023 Dec 27, 9:08pm  

WookieMan says


. I think you got the animal wrong. The mouse. Don't poke the mouse.

Well whatever animal you want to call them, their rockets have been giving our astronauts rides to and from the ISS ever since our fancy shuttle program was shuttered. (At least until Elon made his rockets available.) Elon and the Russians are better at rockets than the US government. So again, don’t poke the bear.
243   WookieMan   2023 Dec 27, 10:05pm  

PeopleUnited says

WookieMan says



. I think you got the animal wrong. The mouse. Don't poke the mouse.

Well whatever animal you want to call them, their rockets have been giving our astronauts rides to and from the ISS ever since our fancy shuttle program was shuttered. (At least until Elon made his rockets available.) Elon and the Russians are better at rockets than the US government. So again, don’t poke the bear.

I don't know how to respond. Rockets are rockets. I'm glad our government stopped fucking around with them. Let Russia blow their money on it and we'll have private sector do the testing. I'm not seeing a problem here.

Russia is weak. It's 2024 almost. Launching a rocket has been trivial for 5 years. Musk has more launches than Russia by a long shot. I really don't get your point. I don't want my government spending money and running rocket launches. That's dumb.
244   zzyzzx   2023 Dec 28, 6:32am  

ad says

They are not deploying the best of their forces.


The best of the Russian forces has been wiped out already.
245   PeopleUnited   2023 Dec 28, 7:51am  

WookieMan says

Rockets are rockets.

Yeah. It’s called rocket science. It not a trivial matter to blast a person into space and bring them safely home.

Any group/nation that can do that probably has some very competent engineers and other advanced technology, perhaps even expensive weaponry they are choosing not to waste in some border skirmish

For the most part they have been fighting and winning using Cold War era weapons even against more modern equipment and satellite/intelligence provided by the west.

Don’t mistake poor/corrupt leadership for incompetence or impotence. If that was the case the USA has nothing to boast about and is in great peril.
246   AmericanKulak   2023 Dec 28, 1:34pm  

Russia's shitty performance in Ukraine is a great advertisement for the US leaving NATO.

With WW2 equipment and crosseyed, the material and manpower difference should have seen the Russians in Kiev in a week.
248   rocketjoe79   2024 Jan 3, 1:25pm  

WookieMan says

PeopleUnited says


The bear lives half way around the world. Why do we insist on poking the bear?

The bear is mean. But poking the bear is mean too. Don’t poke the bear!

Agree we shouldn't be involved. I think you got the animal wrong. The mouse. Don't poke the mouse.

Russia Defense Spend 2023: $100 Bn (previous to War, <$60Bn)
USA Defense Spend 2023: $817 Bn!!!
249   WookieMan   2024 Jan 3, 2:35pm  

rocketjoe79 says

WookieMan says


PeopleUnited says



The bear lives half way around the world. Why do we insist on poking the bear?

The bear is mean. But poking the bear is mean too. Don’t poke the bear!

Agree we shouldn't be involved. I think you got the animal wrong. The mouse. Don't poke the mouse.


Russia Defense Spend 2023: $100 Bn (previous to War, <$60Bn)
USA Defense Spend 2023: $817 Bn!!!

And? That's our defense budget and Russia's. Not getting the point?

We took out two nations in months and basically policed them for 2 decades and lost as many people as we did in Chicago over the same time period. Less actually. They were dumb wars, but we didn't lose them technically and they were across the globe. I don't know, I think almost $100B is more than $6B for Ukraine. My math could be wrong. By any metric both sides have lost waaaaay more than we did in Afghanistan or Iraq combined. This is a war of losers and idiots.

Comparing the budget numbers just means we have more money? Is that a complaint? If Russia cannot beat a neighboring country with $6B in defense spending, they're a paper tiger by default. They're losing men and have no clue how to keep their natural resources running. I don't care about our funding as most of that is going to corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs. Not weapons.

And as woke as our military is becoming and growing smaller, without nukes, we'd destroy Russia in a conventional war. 100%. China can at least send a hot air balloon over here. Russia cannot demolish its neighbor with supposedly the 2nd strongest military on the planet.
250   Booger   2024 Jan 3, 3:46pm  

WookieMan says

Russia cannot demolish its neighbor with supposedly the 2nd strongest military on the planet.


Russia is the second strongest military...in Ukraine.
251   Bd6r   2024 Jan 3, 5:54pm  

Booger says

WookieMan says


Russia cannot demolish its neighbor with supposedly the 2nd strongest military on the planet.


Russia is the second strongest military...in Ukraine.

And both of militaries fighting in Ukraine are weaker than Polish military by far.
252   Eric Holder   2024 Feb 1, 1:46pm  

A bit of fun reading from good old 2013:

The Russian fleet, which the day before conducted military exercises off the coast of Syria, was practicing intercepting cruise missiles with characteristics similar to American Tomahawk-type missiles. This is reported by the American portal about the US Marine Corps. According to the source cited by the authors, the Russians demonstratively conducted exercises and conducted part of the negotiations on open radio frequencies, showing that it was not difficult for them to destroy American missiles.

Meanwhile, the command of the Russian Navy did not provide any official information about the type of exercise.

Let us recall that the United States fears that Russia will transmit to Syria all information about the situation at sea and in the air, which will significantly complicate American aggression against Syria.

One of these days, the “aircraft carrier killer” missile cruiser “Moskva” will approach the shores of Syria, and in addition to it, the Black Sea Fleet patrol ship “Smetlivy” will approach the shores of Syria in the near future. On September 29, two more Black Sea Fleet ships will arrive in the area of the Syrian coast: the missile boat “Ivanovets” and the small missile ship “Shtil”. On Friday, a detachment of ships, including the BDK Novocherkassk (Black Sea Fleet) and Minsk (Baltic Fleet), as well as the reconnaissance ship Priazovye (Black Sea Fleet), passed the Dardanelles and became available to the command of the Mediterranean squadron, RIA Novosti reports. http:/ /telegrafist.org/2013/09/11/86228/

In any case, the Russian fleet, regardless of the surrounding situation, will scan the sea and air space in the area where the fleet is deployed. At the same time, as information has already flashed in the media, Russia, in theory, can transfer this information to the Syrian air defense.

Syria is armed with the latest Russian Pantsir-S1 air defense systems, which are capable of destroying American Tomahawk-type cruise missiles. The Pantsir air defense missile system was (and still is, apparently) designed primarily to combat incoming Tomahawk-type cruise missiles and low-flying (maneuvering) enemy targets that for some reason broke through the air defense barrier. Tests of the Pantsir have shown that the complex is capable of shooting down low-flying missiles, including at a record low altitude of 15 meters. http://telegrafist.org/2013/09/11/86228/


RED FLEET SO STRONK!
253   Booger   2024 Feb 1, 4:37pm  

Another Russian ship sunk today! Ukraine used 4 drones to do it.
255   Booger   2024 Mar 5, 4:03pm  

Ship built in 2021 just went down near Kerch bridge.
256   RWSGFY   2024 Mar 25, 8:02am  

Minus 2 Ropucha-class landing ships...

When that bridge finally goes down there will be no way to resupply or even pull out the troops stuck on that peninsula ... scratch that ... island. Will the Reds cosplay Dunkirk then?
257   socal2   2024 Mar 25, 8:07am  

“ITS A LAND WAR!!”
258   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Mar 25, 8:09am  

socal2 says

“ITS A LAND WAR!!”


Yes. It is. Nice you came on board with reality.
259   RWSGFY   2024 Mar 25, 8:17am  

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says


socal2 says


“ITS A LAND WAR!!”


Yes. It is. Nice you came on board with reality.



I agree: it IS a land war now, but it didn't start like that. There was a serious threat of landing operation. No more. Then there was a naval blockade. No more. So one of the poisonous teeth have been completely removed from that Red snake.

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