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Misc says

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

the only reason (i've learned this a while ago) for our government to have shit outside the country is because they are doing some illegal shit that constitution prohibits on our own land.

The legality or illegality of government actions has never been a consideration in the past. I'm sure you could rattle off many unconstitutional things done by the government on American soil. I will have to chalk this up as a simple conduit for US funds to flow to political "friends".

This is a lie.
Heard of “rendition?” It’s where our government takes a prisoner to a foreign country to be tortured in a manner that our laws will not tolerate. It’s become so common that they’ve made movies about it.
If there’s something our laws do not allow and even international courts would toss you in the clink for, they pick a shithole country nobody is thinking about to set it up in. The more corrupt the better. Ukraine was their place for that.
But Taiwan has 118 BioLabs as well! Seem like a lot? It really is. Think that could give China a reason to invade?
Me too.

Patrick says

It will be super-interesting if/when a high-status country like Sweden agrees.

No it won't. Anybody remember when George W. Bush was convicted as a war criminal, and by whom?

It will be ignored, and forgotten.

I didn't hear about this until looking it up just now:

http://www.npwj.org/content/Are-George-W-Bush-and-Dick-Cheney-war-criminals-Malaysian-court-says-yes.html

Are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney war criminals? Malaysian court says 'yes'
By Bob Holt, newjerseynewsroom.com, 15 May 2012

For some international human rights activists, justice was served on Friday in Kuala Lumpur court, Malaysia as former U.S. President George W. Bush and former top White House officials were convicted of war crimes related to military operations conducted during Bush’s presidency.

But again, Malaysia is a low-status country, at least among the countries of the West.

If Japan did it, that would be different.

Patrick says

I didn't hear about this until looking it up just now:

http://www.npwj.org/content/Are-George-W-Bush-and-Dick-Cheney-war-criminals-Malaysian-court-says-yes.html

Are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney war criminals? Malaysian court says 'yes'
By Bob Holt, newjerseynewsroom.com, 15 May 2012

For some international human rights activists, justice was served on Friday in Kuala Lumpur court, Malaysia as former U.S. President George W. Bush and former top White House officials were convicted of war crimes related to military operations conducted during Bush’s presidency.

But again, Malaysia is a low-status country, at least among the countries of the West.

If Japan did it, that would be different.

BUT PUTIN IS SAINT AND OUR CHRISTIAN LEADER AND SAVYOR FOR DOING BASICALLY MUCH WORSE THINGS ON MUCH SLIMMER PRETEXTS!

BTW, five month into this war and still 0 proof of any kind of weaponization performed in any of the "labs". Not that it mattered now that it was openly admitted that the war had nothing to do with any "labs" and was basically an attempt at expanding the empire.

Funny how seasoned "sceptics" sucked that shit in hook, line and sinker.

Eric Holder says

BUT PUTIN IS SAINT AND OUR CHRISTIAN LEADER AND SAVYOR

Quit with the false dichotomies, please.

Who gives a shit what sort of person Putin is? Not any American. We have domestic enemies to worry about, stop being distracted by somebody that literally has ZERO effect on 99.99% of Americans.

It's just propaganda. Remember when everybody, supposedly, cared about Saddam Hussein? How about Muammar Qaddafi? Or Bashi al-Assad? It's just the new bogey-man du-jour.

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

BUT PUTIN IS SAINT AND OUR CHRISTIAN LEADER AND SAVYOR

Quit with the false dichotomies, please.

Who gives a shit what sort of person Putin is? Not any American. We have domestic enemies to worry about, stop being distracted by somebody that literally has ZERO effect on 99.99% of Americans.

Wait, so Putin is not our Christian Leader and Savyor anymore? STOP WITH THE CONFUSING MESSAGING!!! WHAT"S NEXT, YOU ADMITTING THAT PUTIN IS A WAR CRIMINAL? Nah, that will never happen no matter the mounting pile of evidence.

Eric Holder says

Wait, so Putin is not our Christian Leader and Savyor anymore? STOP WITH THE CONFUSING MESSAGING!!!

That's you. Propaganda when you pick it apart, especially today, is tremendously confusing especially with the quality of it today.

Aren't you sick of having an attention span that is less than 2 years long? All you're doing is strawmanning.

Eric Holder says

mounting pile of evidence.

YOU LIAR! THER IS NO EVIDENCE THAT RUSSIANS KILLED A QUARTER MILLION CHECHENS INCLUDING 40 000 CHILDREN, OR A QUARTER OF CHECHEN NATION, THESE ARE ALL CRISIS ACTORS PLANTED BY SOROS, MULTIPLIED BY CGI. EVEN IF IT IS TRUE IT DOES NOT MATTER BECAUSE SITUATION IN UKRAINE IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, AND EVEN IF IT IS NOT COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, IT DOES NOT MATTER BECAUSE RUSSIA WAS INVADED TRILLION TIMES VIA UKRAINE, CHECHNYA, AND EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IT BORDERS. IN ANY CASE PUTIN DOES NOT MATTER AND THAT IS WHY WE NEED TO SUPPORT HIM IN EVERYTHING HE DOES.
https://www.kavkazcenter.com/russ/content/2021/12/10/120340/znaj-svoyu-istoriyu--s-momenta-agressii-11-12-1994-goda-russkie-vojska-ubili-255-tysyach-chechentsev-v-t-ch--42-000-detej.shtml

Bd6r says

YOU LIAR! THER IS NO EVIDENCE THAT RUSSIANS KILLED A QUARTER MILLION CHECHENS INCLUDING 40 000 CHILDREN,

False concern.


original link

Don't pretend to care if you don't care. If you cared, the US has the most brutal set of sociopaths in the world today. The US isn't as bad as the communists, or the Nazis, but they are currently the worst - at least in the developed world.

richwicks says

Don't pretend to care if you don't care. If you cared, the US has the most brutal set of sociopaths in the world today. The US isn't as bad as the communists, or the Nazis, but they are currently the worst - at least in the developed world.

What does the sentence "if you cared, the US has the most brutal sociopaths in the developed world" mean?

I know that we are ruled by vile sociopaths, I also know that sociopaths here matter for us infinitely more than sociopaths in China and Russia (which, I believe, are worse than our sociopaths), but I don't see you doing more than me or for that matter anyone else on Patnet (may be with exception of Patrick) about it.

Typing the same thing over and over for 100 people reading Patnet will not change ways our sociopathic rulers.

Bd6r says

What does the sentence "if you cared, the US has the most brutal sociopaths in the developed world" mean?

What I notice is that people say "Oh leader X in country Y is doing something evil" - what shouts volumes is when they are entirely silent when the United States has done the exact same thing on a far wider scale.

That's when I can see I'm looking at a hypocrite.

IF people have principles, actual principles, and aren't just engaging in mindless jingoism, they'd object to the 1/2 million Iraqi children the US intentionally killed while Iraq was under sanctions. They don't care.

Look, no offense, but most people are hypocrites, and they don't even fucking try not to be. They have no principles. The vast majority of people will repeat lies, repeat propaganda, take a fucking experimental "vaccine", will denounce their neighbor, and demonize whomever they are told to. There are times I think people aren't sentient, I seriously think this at times, but then I draw back, because I don't want to get full blown exploitative on the masses, which I can do.

It would be fucking easy as hell to start up a "news" organization today. Just tell people what THEY want to hear, and what the MIC wants them to hear, just find the overlap. "You're good people, Putin is evil, he's done all this evil shit" but I could be smarter "Oh, the US has made MISTAKES, but it was worthwhile because of (excuses)". I can cheery pick people, or have actors extol the virtues of the results. This is if I ever become a total cynic, and I resign myself to "you're not really a fucking human being".

2 years of bullshit, and I'm really struggling with this. It's easy enough to say "fuck it", but if I do this, I do it with the expense of entirely giving up on thinking there's any moral system at all. I will go full sociopath.

richwicks says

What I notice is that people say "Oh leader X in country Y is doing something evil" - what shouts volumes is when they are entirely silent when the United States has done the exact same thing on a far wider scale.

That's when I can see I'm looking at a hypocrite.

IF people have principles, actual principles, and aren't just engaging in mindless jingoism, they'd object to the 1/2 million Iraqi children the US intentionally killed while Iraq was under sanctions. They don't care.

What did you do about it other than bitching about it here which is basically preaching to a choir? Did you do more than the average Patnetter?

Bd6r says

What did you do about it other than bitching about it here which is basically preaching to a choir? Did you do more than the average Patnetter?

I exposed it, and not just here.

Everything I wrote got deleted of course, but there's a lot more people aware than there were as result.

I've spent a good portion of my professional career creating this very system you're using now. This is, by FAR, the most powerful communication and research system EVER developed by mankind, if people would only use it. This device in front of you is the envy of every culture and society before us.

Speaking truth to power is fucking dangerous, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW, I would bet. I know directly.

Try to warn some rando person that Facebook is an intelligence wing of our government 10 years ago, you're called every name in the book. Why do you think I have such thick skin? I'm used to it. People like me introduce "crazy conspiracy theories" that a DECADE LATER people realize is true. It doesn't take a decade today, it takes sometimes months, sometimes only weeks, occasionally days. When it's 0 - that's when FINALLY we've won.

It used to be legitimately dangerous to do this shit, but today, there's not thousands of us, there's millions. That's been the effort.

You come in solidly as "Putin is doing an evil thing" - perhaps he is. How do you stop it? I know how it could have been prevented, but it's happening now. How can this be brought to an end? The war will end, and it's delusional to think Ukraine is going to "win", it is a proxy war between the US and Russia. What's the root of that conflict? I'd say power and there's no effort for a diplomatic solution. The problem we face is our criminal syndicate, our government, PREFERS war, they PREFER conflict. The only way to fix this, is to remove them and if we don't remove them, a foreign power will, and take down the entire system, even the good parts.

I'm not at all certain that the assholes that control the United States WANT to win a world war. If they could lose a world war, that's a great way to dispense with the Constitution. It's not a perfect document, but it's a very good one. Foreign entanglements are CREATED quite purposely so the population ignores the criminality of our own government. Russia's government is Russian's problem. Americans, they are so deluded, so propagandized, that anything other than our own government seems to be the problem to them.

I'm sick of it.

But maybe I should change sides, and also become a predator on the masses. You are. That's what you do, isn't it? Or are you really just a hapless victim?

richwicks says

I exposed it, and not just here.

How has it worked so far? Any changes in US position, less bombing? I hope your fairly clueless keyboard warriorship works out well for your personal sanity reasons.

richwicks says

YOU WOULDN'T KNOW, I would bet. I know directly.

I am sure that all three letter agencies are trying to track you down and eliminate since you are so immensely important and are interfering with their designs.

richwicks says

You are. That's what you do, isn't it? Or are you really just a hapless victim?

Thank you. I get paid by CIA, FBI, and NSA at the same time, only I have to clock in for the correct agency and provide a certain number or words to get paid.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

I exposed it, and not just here.

How has it worked so far? Any changes in US position, less bombing? I hope your fairly clueless keyboard warriorship works out well for your personal sanity reasons.

You can't change a mafia's position by sentiment. At one point we HOPED we could. Revolution will solve this. We will have to put heads on stakes at the end of it.

How does it feel to be on the side that has lied us into every war, that insisted everybody get an experimental injection? That said Ivermectin was a horse medicine. I don't think you appreciate what side you find yourself on in this particular fight. They don't just sometimes lie, they ALWAYS lie.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

YOU WOULDN'T KNOW, I would bet. I know directly.

I am sure that all three letter agencies are trying to track you down and eliminate since you are so immensely important and are interfering with their designs.

I've been audited several times. The government engages in intimidation all the time, and when they are caught doing it, people like you say it's just paranoia.

There's 800 people in prison today without bail for an "insurrection" after Antifa and BLM murdered over 40 people, when the DA refused to prosecute them.

You're not this stupid. I'm just one of the EARLY canaries and we aren't organized and we have no central leadership. It's weird, I do run across other people like me on occasion. You can dismiss it but there clearly are many people just fucking fed up with this propaganda, and fucking tired of it. That's a NATURAL group.

You promote it. That's an unnatural group, and you pick and chose what you promote. Isn't it odd what your inconsistency is? I think most people are propaganda victims, but some people are actively paid to disseminate it. Just run into Hasbera once, you'll see how they work, but if you know nothing about the Israeli conflict or you never speak out against it, you never will. I know how pervasive propaganda is.

There's also nothing special about the intelligence agencies. They are just a bunch of assholes, the main requirement is being able to have no introspection or morality. It's simple. When it's said that they are the Cocaine Importation Agency, you laugh, but that's fucking exactly what they are. J Edgar Hoover was a cross dressing homosexual, his lover was Clyde Tolson.

Their main tool is incredulity - either false, or authentic. You must know what the Asch Confirmity Experiment is - because they certainly do.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

You are. That's what you do, isn't it? Or are you really just a hapless victim?

Thank you. I get paid by CIA, FBI, and NSA at the same time, only I have to clock in for the correct agency and provide a certain number or words to get paid.

I've know people that work for "PR" firms. They get paid by engagement, generally. They are paid to side track discussion. Removing the conversation from the topic of facts and data is a high priority, so they often engage in insult because their job is to prevent consideration of what is being presented.

Those, assholes, worked for Israeli intelligence, although few were aware of it. It paid relatively well.

There is NOTHING impressive about working for the intelligence agencies. It doesn't require intelligence or exeptionalism. It requires the opposite. Total obedience and subserviance.

Noriega was so fucking stupid, that although he ran drugs for the CIA, he was too stupid to document it. He was a fucking retard, and he was the top of a drug cartel.

The mystique of working for an intelligence agency is James Bond bullshit. It's not like that at all. They search out "what kind of desperate piece of shit can we find to work for us, what mentally ill morally vacant person can we find"? That's your intelligence agencies, all of them. They INFEST Silicon Valley. Everybody knows somebody that was invited to join or did join.

richwicks says

That said Ivermectin was a horse medicine.

Please show where I said that ivermectin was horse medicine, or where I was on side of experimental injections for everyone or shut the fuck up and apologize.

Bd6r says

Please show where I said that ivermectin was horse medicine, or where I was on side of experimental injections for everyone or shut the fuck up and apologize.

I'm simply pointing out that if you find yourself on the side of the MSM propaganda, you better think long and fucking hard about your position.

Every armed conflict the US has been in for the last 30 years, was supported by bald faced lies, because if the population was told the truth, support would have been nil. Ukraine isn't any fucking different. All war is, is a racket. It's a way of getting us dopes to give money for "a cause" where most of the money is stolen. You think that piece of shit F-35 actually cost $1.5 trillion dollars to design and build? That's a good salary for 250,000 engineers over 30 years. People don't even do SIMPLE math anymore, obviously money is being MAJORLY laundered through this bullshit program. 1.5 trillion / 30 * $200,000 = 250,000. There's some assholes that are billionaires from that ONE program, I guarantee it.

The MIC doesn't even give a FUCK about winning a war, they just want a war. If there's a way to spend money on a war, ANY war, some bullshit fucker in the MIC is going to make an excuse for it, and lie their fucking asses off to support it, every time because it's lucrative. It doesn't matter if we are literally supporting Al-Qaeda, if we're killing Somali children, it doesn't matter if we're supporting literal Nazis, it doesn't matter if we're on the side of a group doing a literal fucking genocide.

That's our fucking military today. Cannon fodder to create the "fog of war" so money can be stolen. That's the purpose of war.

If the US ACTUALLY gets into a real fucking war, remember -



These are the mother fuckers doing this. They've been doing this for 30 years.

Quit
Falling
For
It

Supposedly Ukraine ('s puppet government) is in the right, well in the fucking 6 months that Russia has been in Ukraine, not one fucker here can explain why the US ought to be involved. Not one. I have had to point out, repeatedly, that the US overthrew Ukraine in 2014, and that it immediately led to conflict in Eastern Ukraine which was civil war. I have some mentally ill dumb ass that has "secret information" that won't reveal it who assures me I'm certainly wrong, although he can't explain how, and when I ask, he tells me he's wasting his time explaining it to me, and if I continue to press it's because I lick Putin's asshole. That's the level of the "defenders" of this "our side" rise to.

I'm tired of the stupidity. I'm tired of people being propagandized and defending their programming. I'm tired of people not thinking, I'm tired of people not questioning.

From the point of view of the United States, this is just another way to fucking steal and launder money, and it hurts this nation again. Maybe there will be a silver lining, maybe the Germans will grow some fucking balls when they start to freeze to death, and kill the traitors that run their nation.

But it's SOOOO easy to go along to get along, isn't it? Slavi Ukraini! I mean, people saying it don't know fucking anything about the conflict and the brainless and propagandized are never right, are they? What chance is there that they just happen to be correct this ONE time? Why does our government feed us bullshit, when the truth would be enough? It's because the truth isn't enough.

I was ALWAYS thinking that we should not send any arms to Ukraine since it is an European issue, but president-elect Trump says that we should provide MIG-29s to Ukraine because Russians are killing tens of thousands people over there. He also said that he sent Javelins to Ukraine while Obama sent blankets, and that he got a lot of heat for this. Trump also said that Ukrainians need all kinds of help, including drones and information where to shoot missiles at Russians. Trump also says that we should do more for Ukraine, and that we should threaten Russians with nuclear weapons if they ever use N(uclear) word.

https://rumble.com/vy31kp-trump-says-us-needs-to-get-off-the-sidelines-in-ukraines-fight-for-survival.html

So I guess from now on I need to support US providing weapons for Russia.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE ON SAME SIDE AS OBAMA WHO DID NOT PROVIDE WEAPONS TO UKRAINE??? DO YOU???

Bd6r says

but president-elect Trump says that we should provide MIG-29s to Ukraine because Russians are killing tens of thousands people over there

Then he's wrong.

Ukraine has the same problem the United States does, it has a Jewish Zionist mafia running its foreign policy and a bunch of idiot dupes are too pussy to call it out because they'll scream "anti-Semite". These are sociopathic lunatics that create conflict constantly, because through chaos, you can easily generate profit.

Bd6r says

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE ON SAME SIDE AS OBAMA WHO DID NOT PROVIDE WEAPONS TO UKRAINE??? DO YOU???

He overthrew the nation in 2014. He created this entire situation. He was just a puppet.

There is no intention by the mafia to end any war, their goal is to create as much chaos as possible, from that, it's easy to pick apart the pieces of the corpse.

And this is how Trump dealt with Russians (when Trump ordered killing of hundreds of Russians in Syria in 2018). I suppose I have been way to peaceful.

https://polynkov.livejournal.com/1774302.html

2. Three assault detachments participated in the operation. "Spring" - the former "Karpaty", which consisted of residents of Donbass and Russians who took part in the hostilities in the Donbass. 2 squad and 5th. Not authorized companies of 121 people, but assault squads. The staff of each of them is 350 people. Each of their units had their own equipment, such as zushki in the Urals and brdm. An armored group with T-72 tanks and an artillery division from M-30 also participated in the operation. They promised air defense cover, but there was none. There were practically no locals in the column. Directly objects were stormed by "Spring". The 2nd and 5th detachments stood in a column on the way, waiting for the command. Almost immediately after the start of the assault, shelling began. There was no connection for a long time. The source says that the mortars are 120s but may be wrong. Then there was a missile attack. The hitting accuracy is outrageous. In the eyes of the source, the rocket definitely hit the BRDM. At about four o'clock in the morning, the remains of the column were strafed by helicopters. At the exit, the remnants of the units were again hit by a missile and bomb strike. Out of the entire armored group, only one tank made it back to the crossing. The entire artillery division was destroyed. One vehicle had a hit right in the ammunition bay.
3. About the losses, the source says that more than two hundred people died from his detachment. And this is given the fact that his detachment did not take part in the assault. On this basis, I easily believe in the figure of 600 dead.
4. There were many boards with the wounded. They were taken not only to Moscow and the Moscow Region, but also to St. Petersburg and Rostov. We must pay tribute. The evacuation was prompt (in what they were brought in) and the treatment was at a high level.
5. About photos and videos. All who signed the contract a strict ban on filming. In smartphones, a special program is installed that blocks the voice recorder and the camera.

I'll add my opinion. Kurds are not very fond of publishing reports about their destroyed opponents. The Americans knew exactly who they were working for and, of course, they had filming. I think that the publication of the complete defeat of the combined detachments of Russian contract soldiers and such a number of victims is not in their favor either. This could rally all patriots around Putin, even those who are in opposition to him. And the United States really does not want to be in the image of a bloodthirsty enemy of Russia, as it was in the USSR.
But our authorities also really do not want the truth about what happened to leak out. The abundance of clumsy fakes that are easily exposed by regular propagandists is an excellent and already proven method for blurring the truth and discrediting any information about an event that has occurred.

richwicks says

Then he's wrong.

And you are right, despite repeatedly being wrong about nearly everything over there? More right than Trump who admittedly has US interests first, and who has orders of magnitude more information available than all of us here together?

I suppose from latter viewpoint I should agree that we should send military stuff over there even though this is a European and not US problem in my mind.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

Then he's wrong.

And you are right, despite repeatedly being wrong about nearly everything over there? More right than Trump who admittedly has US interests first, and who has orders of magnitude more information available than all of us here together?

Ukraine literally has NOTHING to do with US interests.

Basically we have a bunch of maniac Zionist mobsters running our foreign policy. A (possible) side benefit is that if Russia can be prevented from supplying energy to Europe, the US can, from the lands they've been bombing for the last 20 years, put in pipelines through Turkey. This is one of the reasons for the Syrian war - Genie Energy is mining the oil resources of the Golan Heights, which is Syrian land, if Syria is conquered or has a compliant puppet, a pipeline from the Golan can be run through all the dead bodies through Syria to Turkey.

The US, in theory, can provide LNG to Europe, but there's no infrastructure for it, it's more expensive because it has to be shipped across the Atlantic.

We just have a bunch of short term fucking retards running all policies and a bunch of Zionist assholes who have no skin in the game making foreign policy. They don't give a fuck what happens to Europe, Russia or the United States. It's all about short term game, because they are morons.

When the USSR was getting long in the tooth, a bunch of old, stupid, fucking retards ran their nation in many key areas, until it collapsed too. The same thing is happening to us. It's so FUCKING OBVIOUS that censorship is being implemented to prevent it from being pointed out. They'd rather destroy the nation rather than have somebody point out "hey, stupid assholes, you're destroying the country and there's no benefit to either us, or even you, you stupid fucking cunts".

Bd6r says

I suppose from latter viewpoint I should agree that we should send military stuff over there even though this is a European and not US problem in my mind.

If the United States stopped shipping shit to Ukraine, the war would end in a few days maybe a few weeks if NATO stepped up in order to ensure they didn't get any energy from Russia. It's quite possible they are that stupid.

If the United States never overthrew Ukraine in the first place, the war would have never started. In that case, Europe would have just continued to accept "refugees" that the US has been creating for the last 20 years and bankrupting their social system.

In any case, US foreign policy is fucking harmful to the United States, we have a FIFTH COLUMN running it.

OOOOOOhhhh - is that too scary for you to hear? It's the truth. Victoria Nuland is why we're involved with Ukraine. Her piece of shit husband Robert Kagan is partially responsible for why we've been in 20 fucking years of war in the Middle East. He was part of the Project for the New American Century.

What have ANY of these foreign "interventions" done for the benefit of this nation?

NONE of US interventions has helped anybody in the last 25 years, except maybe, MAYBE Israel and even then, not much, but fuck, they have no skin in the game, why would they care? It's not HARMED them, but it's harmed Europe, Russia and the United States. They hated Iraq, they have had a beef with Assad for decades, so it bankrupted the United States - they don't give a fuck.

US foreign policy run by dual nationalists has done nothing other than harm the United States for over 20 years. They don't care about this nation, but then again, neither does Joe Biden, Barack Obama, George W. Bush, Mitt Romney, John Kerry, Mitt Romney, Nancy Pelosi, or any other of the FUCKS that we (supposedly) elected. We have fucking crazy people in charge but put a few Jewish Zionist assholes as the point men, oooooh, suddenly you're afraid to criticize the maniacs that should be in a fucking asylum.

What's the Israeli interest in Ukraine? Israel has good relations with both Putin and Zelensky.

The most destabilizing force in the ME isn't Israel, not even Islamicism, but the Ba'athist party: Iraq, Syria, and it's origin point, Lebanon.

Israel was friendly with the Shah. Saddam invaded Iraq IRAN (edited: brainfart) after the Iranian Revolution, and that was by far the bloodiest war in the ME since WW2, many, many times all the Arab-Israeli Wars combined with all the intifadas together, despite lasting less than a decade rather than 70+ years.

The US generally is pro-Saudi and thus currently anti-Iranian because of Saudi fears of Iran, a far more populous country and with centuries of Arab-Persian rivalry. Arab Shi'a are routinely suspected of being Ayatollah collaborators. The US has been pro-Saudi longer than Israel has existed.

The problem with Zionist Theory is that the motivations don't make any sense and there's a lack of documentation as to motives or clear links. Which is amazing considering all the shit that has come out about everything from Gates to Schwab to the FBI and Wray in a much shorter time over fewer regions. Zionist Theorists almost immediately jump to the USS Liberty, which was 60 years ago and a clear accident of misidentification with indemnities for the accident paid immediately. The Egyptians have a claim that tankers in the area were actually US carriers and their 1967 defeat was actually due to the US Navy, not the IDF.

richwicks says

oooooh, suddenly you're afraid to criticize the maniacs that should be in a fucking asylum.

yeah, I am extremely afraid to criticize someone on an anonymous forum...what a bunch of bullshit.
richwicks says

If the United States stopped shipping shit to Ukraine

Trump thinks we should give MOAR weapons to Ukraine, and if I have to choose between his viewpoint and your, which one should I choose? Who has done more for US of A, who has better information etc? I will pick someone who has done real good over one whose contribution involves repeating a few talking points on internet tubes.

AmericanKulak says

What's the Israeli interest in Ukraine? Israel has good relations with both Putin and Zelensky.

Ihor Kolomoyskyi is a Zionist mobster, Zelenskyy is a minion of him. Russia has been reducing the power of the Zionist mafia within Russia for the last 20 years. That's the only extent.

AmericanKulak says

Israel was friendly with the Shah.

Of course they were. He was a traitor to his country that was installed by the CIA and Mi4 (3?) to prevent nationalization of Iran's oil resources, despite the fact the the British were doing this at the same time - that's what British Petroleum is from. While Mosaddegh (believed) he was negotiating in good faith to purchase the oil fields that the Anglo-Persian Oil Company developed, the CIA and the British were planning on overthrowing him.

The British gave lip service to this, but had absolute no intention of actually allowing the negotiations with him, so they approached the CIA to overthrow him by organizing fake protests and constant propaganda to demonize him. They were successful in 1953 and setup a repressive dictatorship under the traitor, the Shah. The only MANIACS willing to stand up SAVAK (the Iranian secret police the CIA setup) were religious lunatics, who were successful in 1979 with the Iranian Revolution that led to the Iranian Hostage Crisis.

After that the US encouraged Saddam Hussein to go to war with Iran in an attempt to recapture it, after 8 years the war resulted in a stalemate doing serious damage economically to both countries. Hussein, being an ally with the United States the entire time (he was a Ba'athist) asked the US Ambassador April Glaspie as to the US' position on the conflict between Iraq and Kuwait. Kuwait was stealing oil from Iraq using sideways drilling to tap Iraqi land, and Iraq always considered Kuwait to be a part of Iraq anyhow. Glaspie gave him the go-ahead, and the US went to war with Iraq to "protect" Kuwait. Hussein protested saying he had given permission by the US, the US denied it, Hussein produced tapes of his conversation with Glaspie, Glaspie resigned and was never heard of again.

AmericanKulak says

The US generally is pro-Saudi and thus currently anti-Iranian because of Saudi fears of Iran, a far more populous country and with centuries of Arab-Persian rivalry. Arab Shi'a are routinely suspected of being Ayatollah collaborators.

The US was energy independent just 2 years ago. Who gives a shit?

Oh, I know, the Sa'ud MAFIA family contracted to purchase US treasury bonds to store their wealth, provided the US kept this criminal murderous family in power using the US military, instead of disbanding the Federal Reserve that bankrupted the United States for a THIRD TIME in 1971 with the Nixon Shock which we left the gold standard because the Federal Reserve engaged in widespread fraud producing more certificates for gold (that's what a dollar was up until 1971) than they actually had - counterfeiting, AGAIN.

Counterfeiting is a capital offense.

AmericanKulak says

The problem with Zionist Theory is that the motivations don't make any sense and there's a lack of documentation as to motives or clear links. Which is amazing considering all the shit that has come out about everything from Gates to Schwab to the FBI and Wray in a much shorter time over fewer regions.

Who owns the Federal Reserve?

They can create unlimited money, which means they can pay for anything they want, from assassinations to countless wars. They aren't audited either.

THEY are our real rulers.

AmericanKulak says

What's the Israeli interest in Ukraine?

I might be wrong, but my recollection is that there is a sect (?) of Hasidim in Judaism which has its origins in Uman, Ukraine where tens of thousands go on pilgrimages every year.

richwicks says

Ihor Kolomoyskyi is a Zionist mobster, Zelenskyy is a minion of him. Russia has been reducing the power of the Zionist mafia within Russia for the last 20 years. That's the only extent.

What makes him explicitly Zionist?

How does this connect Zionism to Ukraine? What benefit is there in Russia taking over/not taking over Ukraine for Zionism?

Isn't one of Putin's closest allies a Jewish Oligarch, one of the few people who uses the familiar you and first name with?

richwicks says

Of course they were. He was a traitor to his country that was installed by the CIA and Mi4 (3?) to prevent nationalization of Iran's oil resources, despite the fact the the British were doing this at the same time - that's what British Petroleum is from. While Mosaddegh (believed) he was negotiating in good faith to purchase the oil fields that the Anglo-Persian Oil Company developed, the CIA and the British were planning on overthrowing him.

The Pahlavis were traditional rulers of Iran, as valid or more so than the Stuarts or Tudors. I should note it was BP that explored and developed the wells, so they probably weren't interested in being cut out of decades upon decades of revenue.

But Neither Mosaddegh nor BP has anything to do with Zionism.

richwicks says

Who owns the Federal Reserve?

Probably Deutsche Bank, run by a South Asian (or it was in the recent past). Germany looted Greece twice in less than a century in the 1940s and again in the late 2000s. German banking laws are the most lender friendly, borrower hostile in the world, a legacy of Hansa and Fuggers.

EDIT: That was in 2012 when there was a crisis of liquidity again in DB that the German Government and Obama Admin papered over. The CEO during the Financial Crisis was Josef Meinrad Ackermann, a Swiss Catholic. Interestingly, Ackermann agreed to renew his term through the Financial Crisis and then... became the head of Bank of Cyprus (?!) which is a strange step down, unless Cyprus is the money laundering center it's reputed to be.

Bd6r says

I might be wrong, but my recollection is that there is a sect (?) of Hasidim in Judaism which has its origins in Uman, Ukraine where tens of thousands go on pilgrimages every year.

There is, but there are far more sects that are founded in Russia. There's a small one that is named "Boston" because the Founder Rabbi was from Massachussetts.

Bd6r says

Trump thinks we should give MOAR weapons to Ukraine

Who cares?

What he says and does are two different things.

Is Hillary Clinton in jail yet? He said he LOVES Wikileaks - was Julian Assange given a pardon?

I entirely ignore statements of anybody in power, and only pay attention to their actions. I'd think everybody would do that by now.

If we elected Joe Biden, everybody was going to get a $2,000 covid relief check - remember that?

richwicks says

What he says and does are two different things.

He gave Javelins to Ukraine, which is perhaps the main reason why Ukrainians did not fold on Feb 24. So, in this case, he means what he says.
richwicks says

If we elected Joe Biden, everybody was going to get a $2,000 covid relief check - remember that?

That is strawman, gaslighting, irrelevant, etc - we are talking about Trump.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

What he says and does are two different things.

He gave Javelins to Ukraine, which is perhaps the main reason why Ukrainians did not fold on Feb 24. So, in this case, he means what he says.

The javelins are paid for by Ukraine. It's a gift to the MIC. Ukraine will be impoverished and in debt. That's part of the goal.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

If we elected Joe Biden, everybody was going to get a $2,000 covid relief check - remember that?

That is strawman, gaslighting, irrelevant, etc - we are talking about Trump.

ALL people in politics lie.

I don't care what Trump says. LONG ago I learned to entirely ignore what a politician says, especially an American one. It's not just a waste of time to listen to them, it's counter-productive. Anything that is said is from a speech written to to produce a reaction. It's propaganda, not information.

richwicks says

The javelins are paid for by Ukraine. It's a gift to the MIC.

Irrelevant. Trump did what Obama did not do. From viewpoint of US interests, of course, it should be sale.
richwicks says

ALL people in politics lie.

I don't care what Trump says.

We are talking about Trump not Biden so you talking about Bidet is completely, utterly irrelevant. You somehow tend to effortlessly stray from topic of discussion into random verbiage.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

The javelins are paid for by Ukraine. It's a gift to the MIC.

Irrelevant. Trump did what Obama did not do. From viewpoint of US interests, of course, it should be sale.

It has nothing to do with US interests. This harms US interests. The interests of the MIC are NOT aligned with the interests of the nation. People don't get that, and it's aggravating. The military industrial complex, has BETRAYED this nation while PRETENDING to work for it.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

ALL people in politics lie.

I don't care what Trump says.

We are talking about Trump not Biden so you talking about Bidet is completely, utterly irrelevant. You somehow tend to effortlessly stray from topic of discussion into random verbiage.

Again, don't care what he says.

Was Trump a MIC puppet? Of course, but he didn't dance as elegantly as Biden does, or Obama did or George W. Bush did.

I realize he had to compromise to survive, or maybe he just wasn't competent enough to expand the Syrian war? I don't care which it was, I care about results. First president in 40 years not to start a new war, good enough.

There's no reason to even LISTEN to a politician. Just look at records. People think Bernie Sander is some sort of maverick because of his bullshit speeches, look at how the commie votes.

AmericanKulak says

Arab Shi'a are routinely suspected of being Ayatollah collaborators.

Note also that the majority of Saudi oil fields happen to be located under the Saudi Shiite minority. This gives the Saudis an even bigger incentive to fear Shiites and Iran.

https://bioclandestine.substack.com/p/russian-mil-simplifying-and-disseminating

https://sagehana.substack.com/p/the-expose-us-dod-issued-a-contract?publication_id=702469&isFreemail=true

The Exposé: "U.S. D.O.D issued a contract for COVID-19 Research to a company in Ukraine, 3 months before COVID-19 was known to exist"
Obvious question: Was DARPA's Dr. Michael Callahan performing COVID-19 Black Ops in Wuhan for DARPA and the CIA in late 2019? ...

The WHO officially named the novel coronavirus disease COVID-19 on February 11, 2020.

Three months prior, November 12, 2019, the United States Dept. of Defense had awarded a grant for ‘COVID-19’ research. ...

In response to the first post, DTRA emailed a fact checker with the following explanation, more below in the pinned comment with link:

“No, DOD did not award a contract in 2019 for COVID-19 research. In this case, DTRA's contractor modified a task order in 10 June 2020 to assist Ukraine in responding to the COVID-19 pandemic, many months after the pandemic had begun. However, the date in the database reflects the original date the Master Servicing Agreement was entered into the system.”

So, is this a plausible explanation?

Sure.

It’s hard to trust either the DOD/DTRA or “fact checker” operations, especially given the discrepancies on DOD vaccine injuries and how they have been documented and revised, as Mathew Crawford has covered. ...

Okay. Just to recap:

US DOD funds study on COVID-19 in November, 2019.

Malone references Callahan as his CIA agent Coronavirus Informant on Rogan, Callahan-Malone communication happened on January 4, 2020.

Callahan had “lacked authority” to be in Wuhan, and lied to Malone about virus origin, (engineered or natural).

This sounds like Black Ops.

What is a DARPA/CIA Spook doctor doing in Wuhan studying the yet to be named virus, oh wait, it was named back in November when the DOD was shelling out a grant to study it?

But I don’t want to wade into Dark Conspiracy Theory.

Why is Dr. Michael Callahan there in Wuhan studying the “smart bomb” virus…without proper authority?

And I’m sure that there is probably a totally plausible explanation propagated by Callahan, who is adjacent to Robert Kadlec, in the Biomedical Spooky World.

https://bioclandestine.substack.com/p/ninth-review-conference-of-the-biological

Essentially, we have reached an impasse. The current construct of the UN makes it impossible for any of the permanent seats to be the target of a BWC investigation, so Russia and the East are looking to change the system so they can enact some level of recourse against the bad actors in the West for their crimes against humanity via biological genocide.

If diplomacy fails, Russia, China, and their allies will be forced to explore other options.

Patrick says

https://bioclandestine.substack.com/p/ninth-review-conference-of-the-biological

Essentially, we have reached an impasse. The current construct of the UN makes it impossible for any of the permanent seats to be the target of a BWC investigation, so Russia and the East are looking to change the system so they can enact some level of recourse against the bad actors in the West for their crimes against humanity via biological genocide.

If diplomacy fails, Russia, China, and their allies will be forced to explore other options.

It's not "impasse" it's simply their bullshit doesn't stick to the wall. Like many other bullshits prior to that. Like "Nazis! Nazis! Nazis!" which ended with all alleged "Nazi criminals" simply going home w/o trial for their alleged "horrible Nazi crimes". Like claim of "tens of thousands deaths because of bombardments in Dumb Ass which needed to be stopped by SCHMO" which turned out to be 15 deaths in 2 years as reported by so-called "people's repibuics" mere and confirmed by Lavrov in the BBC interview, etc.

Same shit with this "bioweapons" charge: they cooked up some story and failed to produce any even remotely credible evidence of it. "Weaponized mosquitos trained to attack Russians only" and "GPS-guided birds", oh my! Why don't you simply BELIEVE us?!!!

Bd6r says

That is strawman, gaslighting, irrelevant, etc - we are talking about Trump.

Are you calling Biden an irrelevant, insane, puppet?