patrick.net

You are very welcome to post here @Dissident

My buddy got banned I guess for an overtly graphic image from Reddit. It was but bad, but nothing that could be classified as illegal. I'll have to see if I can find it. We legit talked about it two days ago. He's a programmer, a really good one, but I don't want to introduce him to this site as I've said stuff about too many people that he would know.

That's one regret. I use Patnet as a place to vent about life stuff and put out harsh opinions a lot of the time that people don't realize I have. It's therapeutic though and I don't want to change that.

It's a small world. We're in a small town and we're already getting offers for people to buy our place without even mentioning it. I don't need small world getting in on my patnet comments. Fortunately we shouldn't have to use a broker which is huge. I'm going to GC it too. Going to be a fucked up 12-24 months in a good way hopefully.

Wasn't Reddit made by that guy that killed himself, because of the big Woke pile of shit he created?

Tenpoundbass says

Wasn't Reddit made by that guy that killed himself, because of the big Woke pile of shit he created?

I thought they fucked him because he was trying to download science publications (like the Russkie is doing now), and they busted him, charged him with 1000 years of prison, etc., and encouraged him to kill himself?

WookieMan says

but I don't want to introduce him to this site as I've said stuff about too many people that he would know

This is a problem with growing the site. No one seems to want to spread it to their friends. I understand that, having been denied jobs explicitly because of my opinions here.

Still, you are anonymous here unless you choose to use a real name.

If anyone has advice about this, please let me know.

Patrick says

WookieMan says

but I don't want to introduce him to this site as I've said stuff about too many people that he would know

This is a problem with growing the site. No one seems to want to spread it to their friends. I understand that, having been denied jobs explicitly because of my opinions here.

Still, you are anonymous here unless you choose to use a real name.

If anyone has advice about this, please let me know.

What about growing another site, and offering membershipt to PatNet?

There's a precedent (in a very different way) - the movie "Stand and Deliver" was based on a true story of a gifted math teacher, Jaime Escalante, in the Rio Grande Valley who had a dream to create a team of students who were able to pass AP Calculus. The problem was that he was dealing with the poorest of the poor, who could much less do advanced math, than simply speak English. He embarked on a many-year program of outreach to feeder schools in "The Valley" for the math teachers to send their most promising students to his enriched courses. After about 10 years of siphoning off the best of the best math students, he had a system in place to achieved his goal. This in a lot of ways was like the old school baseball recruiting method of using farm teams to identify native talent.

Unfortunately, crabs in the bucket mentality forced Escalante out. That largely marked the end of his program, which withered and died within a couple of years.

stereotomy says

What about growing another site, and offering membershipt to PatNet?

Thanks, what would the other site be like?

Patrick says

stereotomy says

What about growing another site, and offering membershipt to PatNet?

Thanks, what would the other site be like?

I have a suggestion, which I will work on for free (but I need some help).

See the comment section on www.bitchute.com? There's no notification when people respond to comments. The code is https://github.com/BitChute/commentfreely

Second, make a chat system. Basically a private IM.

Third, pick out any links in the comment / chat system and make a page for it and below that, the comment freely system.

Basically, find a way to pick up links, with links to videos - embed videos, and allow a complete commenting system on it.

I propose this idea because I would never implement it without some help and also input on the idea.

richwicks says

Basically, find a way to pick up links, with links to videos - embed videos, and allow a complete commenting system on it.

Thanks, I don't quite get it though. How is that different from patrick.net?

I have no private IM, but that's a bit difficult because you have to leave a socket open, using up server resources, and I think it's a legal hazard if people start threatening each other on it, or worse, posting child porn.

Patrick says

Thanks, I don't quite get it though. How is that different from patrick.net?

The point is to pick up links that come up in discussion, to spawn a discussion on the link only.

So, you have this site right? If I post this in the context of a conversation:


original link


Another page is built about that video, that has the same sort of commenting section that bitchute has WITH NOTIFICATIONS so people can discuss the video.

Do the same for every link. Ever heard of Gab's Dissenter?

@richwicks has much more concrete suggestions. Essentially, it's a bunch of "feeder sites" to funnel like minded people to find one another. Kind of like how the redpill reddit has created a self-curated medium for refugee Reddit users to set up shop.

I think Dissenter was some kind of plugin and/or browser that let people comment on whatever URL they happened to be visiting.

You means something like that?

I would definitely be interested in that.

I'm more of a SAS programmer than TCP/IP, so I'm out my depth. I think feeder sites would have to be observed by moderators, and invites given based on quality of posts. If things get toxic, wipe the site. The bots are everywhere.

stereotomy says

redpill reddit

@stereotomy Got a link for redpill reddit? I hadn't heard of it until now.

Patrick says

stereotomy says

redpill reddit

@stereotomy Got a link for redpill reddit? I hadn't heard of it until now.

Here's the old (now quarantined RedPill on Reddit site). If you click through, you'll see what new sites they are creating for the puposes of self-moderated, non-PC censored content:

https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/

One of the non-reddit sites they've been working toward:

https://www.forums.red/i/theredpill

If that's not enough to go on, I can supply more.

Full disclosure: I'm a lurker there (job protection), not a contributor, so I have no influence. The endorsed contributors have influence - they are pseudo-moderators in that they are able to call out bullshit, and elevate posters by issuing points. There is the potential danger of groupthink, like anywhere else. Nevertheless, it falls to us to organically grow communities, as opposed to wallowing in astroturf fakeness.

stereotomy says

I'm a lurker there (job protection), not a contributor

Is there anything I can do to make people feel more secure in their anonymity here?

The one bit of info I need to register someone is an email, because (a) it's globally unique and (b) it allows me to communicate with the person outside the site.

But I don't really care if someone uses a throwaway email to register.

Patrick says

I think Dissenter was some kind of plugin and/or browser that let people comment on whatever URL they happened to be visiting.

Yes, but it's basically been canned. Tons of companies WAILED that all of a sudden, you could comment on anything. Oh boo hoo!

Patrick says

You means something like that?

I would definitely be interested in that.

I'm in if you want some help.

Basically, I want people to be able to have discussions, but at the same time, allow them to feed in links so that the links they are citing can be researched. The links would be independent of the conversation, the point is if I start posting a bunch of links - for example, this is writeup I did ages ago trying to get my normie friend to think (that's hard). There are two questions here

1) is my reasoning sound
2) are my links sound, or are they bullshit?

I want to separate one from the other.

This is the FIB informant Emad Salem who was a mole planted by the FIB into the group that did the WTC bombing in 1993

https://youtu.be/ZGer6t3SD6I?t=220

That's the relevant part but you can watch and listen to it all. Emad Salem didn't trust the fucking FIB, because he wasn't stupid and recorded them and his dealings with them in case they tried to railroad him. Which they did:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emad_Salem

The FIB had a plant within the group, and allowed the WTC bombing to happen ANYHOW.

I have absolutely no trust in this government at this point.

NIST's analysis of the collapse of WTC7 isn't only entirely wrong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIAK6PAeyn8

The government for some reason classified their finite element simulation and won't release it to the public for study so the University of Alaska Fairbank built their own finite element simulation without any help from the government.

This is the actual collapse of WTC7:

https://youtu.be/zRpCwKRnL1M

This is UAF simulation, which required removing support structures in succession, i.e. a controlled demolition.

https://youtu.be/Hw7W55dBbAM

Now this of course doesn't mean that it means that it was a controlled demolition, it means they couldn't come up with any other explanation. That doesn't mean there isn't other explanations, but NIST can't come up with one either. If you want to download the SAAP 2000 or Abacus simulation files, you can - they are 380 GB.

https://www.ae911truth.org/wtc7

Don't forget that Flight 77 hit the HQ of the Department of Defense in Washington DC 30 minutes AFTER the 2nd plane hit WTC2. So, for 30 minutes, it was known the US had experienced a terrorist attack, I don't see how it's conceivable that flight controllers weren't asking status of all planes to find out if they had been hijacked, and Flight 77 was able to fly into the most highly restricted airspace in the nation to hit the headquarters of our military, unmolested.

So, I'm sure you're right, there will be another 9/11 event by our own fucking intelligence agencies. Won't be the least bit surprised.

The same mother fuckers that allowed BLM and Antifa to burn, loot, and murder people for 9 months. The same assholes that created false dossiers about Trump hiring hookers to urinate on beds in Russia, the same assholes that lied about Russian Collusion for 4 years and lied to the FISA courts and never were prosecuted for it. The same mother fuckers that lied about a weapons of mass destruction program Iraq, that claimed that "Qaddafi is about to cause a humanitarian crisis in Libya" so the US bombed it, left it in civil war, and with literal slavery markets, and left.

I'm fucking positive that the same shitheads that did Operation Ajax, and PBSuccess, and overthrew Ukraine in 2014 which we know with CERTAINTY that it was overthrown because Victoria Nuland famously said "fuck the EU" when she was talking about who the next leader of Ukraine would be - one month before Victor Yanukovych was ousted from power on February 22, 2014.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIvRljAaNgg

Will do another 9/11. The plan is for 100 fucking years of pointless war.

I'm old enough to be sick of the fucking bullshit. Gulf of Tonkin didn't happen, the FIB make the King Suicide Letters:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93King_suicide_letter

They almost certainly murdered him, the King Family doesn't believe that James Earl Ray did it.

Same thing with Robert Kennedy. Robert F. Kennedy Junior doesn't believe Sirhan Sirhan did it.

The reason Jackie Onasis left the US is because she said feared for her children, and although she didn't say it outright, she had suspicions her husband was murdered by this government.

Also Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself, he COULDN'T have. Nobody in the prison was ever able to kill themselves, the prisons are built specifically to prevent it. He might not even be dead. Alex Acosta said straight up that he was told Epstein was intelligence and to leave him alone. If that's true, our government was running a child rape ring as a honey trap.

I'm tired of having to put up with the facade that I believe anything from this fucking government, and I'm insulted I'm expected to. I'm flat out surprised ANYBODY does at this point.

But I will, as soon as they explain how Russia "hacked our election", and where that weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq were and why our most popular president in all of American history, Joe Biden, who won the largest percentage of the eligible vote ever, can't get a positive approve/disapprove ratio on the official white house youtube page.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7zOXidWq-Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB1Awuu_DGc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43oepUyzAZs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzcU7H4PX1k

He's NEVER had more upvotes than downvotes. A man that couldn't ever get more than 50 people to show up to campaign event. A man that voted for every goddamned war we ever engaged in since he entered politics 40 years ago, a senile man. He's our most popular president as a percentage of the eligible vote in all of American history.

There are no people in prison for the Antifa/BLM riots over the last year, and there are 500 people in prison for the "insurrection" on January 6th. Not a single arrest of any individual with a weapon, and the only person killed was Ashli Babbet, by a capital police officer. I think 4 other people died that day, not that shocking in a group of 1.5 million people or so estimated. One police officer died of a stroke, the other miscellaneous.

I don't believe this government is anything more than a criminal mafia. It acts precisely like one. If I just use the model of "the government is a criminal syndicate" everything they do suddenly makes sense.

How many people were left stranded in Afghanistan after 20 years of war?

Our government doesn't give a shit about them. Just more collateral damage.

Oh, and in regard to this new technology of vaccines, Robert Malone the co-inventor of the MRNA technology to make these vaccines doesn't recommend them, although he's taken the Moderna vaccine. From what I've seen, and it's goddamned difficult to see it, they don't seem to provide immunity and they don't seem to have any efficacy and I'm a bit alarmed that all the vaccine manufacturers are indemnified for any harm they cause. They won't stand behind their product and my chances of dying from the disease (if I've not already had it that is) is about 1 in 1000 in my age group.

Here's what Robert Malone said with regard to parts of Africa that is use Ivermectin as prophylactic against river blindness:

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1432165647463718912

The blue represents the case rate of sars-cov2-19 in countries that use it, and the yellow are countries that don't.

Here's a paper on this phenomenon:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.26.21254377v1

In the conclusions it reads:

"The morbidity and mortality in the onchocerciasis endemic countries are lesser than those in the non-endemic ones. The community-directed onchocerciasis treatment with ivermectin is the most reasonable explanation for the decrease in morbidity and fatality rate in Africa. In areas where ivermectin is distributed to and used by the entire population, it leads to a significant reduction in mortality."

Of course, correlation does not imply causation. I mean it's just a horse dewormer that won the the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine as a broad spectrum anti-parasitic which may very well have general anti-viral properties. We can't question it though, our "press" knows best, and if you question it, you get censored, deplatformed, and denounced. It's Lysenkoism all over again. How nice to see a Soviet import finally.

Believe whatever you wish to believe. Go ahead and believe our government ever cared about the welfare of its citizens. Look at how much they cared about Flint Michigan as they poisoned residents for months. Those children will have lifetime disabilities from that. Who cares? A bunch of people make a fuckton of money on that.

As you can imagine, it's kind of hopeless. You try to talk to somebody that isn't like minded, they won't even consider your sources, much less your reasoning.

Patrick says

stereotomy says

I'm a lurker there (job protection), not a contributor

Is there anything I can do to make people feel more secure in their anonymity here?

The one bit of info I need to register someone is an email, because a) it's globally unique and b) it allows me to communicate with the person outside the site.

But I don't really care if someone uses a throwaway email to register.

I think increasingly "they" are matching IP addresses. Each version of Android (yes, I know, but I need it for work) more efficiently scrapes your info. Beyond user ID's and randomized passwords, is there a way to completely anonymize IP's from FIB, etc.? I'm ignorant of this aspect - all I know is vague stuff about TOR.

That's what a VPN is for. Your traffic then comes from some IP address belonging to the VPN network, so is no longer traceable to you.

It does slow down surfing though, since the traffic has at least one more hop.

Brave has a VPN option built in to its browser, which uses the Tor network, essentially a free VPN: "New Private Window With Tor"

stereotomy says

There is the potential danger of groupthink, like anywhere else.

@stereotomy - I used to worry about groupthink but it's kind of unavoidable. The individual has to be aware of it and actively avoid it although I have some ideas on how to maybe mix that up - allow people to engage in groupthink and rise to a natural level of favorability. and then allow top tier favorable posts to be made suggested as a counter argument.

I think a lot of stuff is propaganda. I see stuff on the left and the right with "ideas and beliefs" that have LONG ago been discredited constantly being promoted as "mainstream thinking" when it isn't. For example, that "the right wing" are white nationalists/supremacists and that "the left wing" are anti-war. These ideas are FORCED upon groups. If you actually talk to many individuals within the group you'll find out that "well, I don't agree with idea X in my group of Y, but at least people in Y and not like people in group Z who are much worse who believe (insert fringe idea being promoted by propaganda)".

Most democrats/liberals (common people) do NOT think it's a good idea to have abortion up until the second of birth for example.

stereotomy says

Beyond user ID's and randomized passwords, is there a way to completely anonymize IP's from FIB, etc.?

Not really. You can use a VPN, or TOR - but you can't hide meta information from a "global adversary" - meaning government.

"meta information" is knowing you connected to a site and that you sent X amount of bytes to the site at time Y. From that, it can be figured out that you are who you are.

For example, if I was working for the intelligence agencies (don't worry, I'm not human feces - so I don't), and I wanted to determine who you were, I would follow a packet from your computer, to the VPN, from the VPN to this site - and by timing and size of the packet, I can determine who you are on this site based on the size of the packet, and how much was sent. I'd have to have access to the routers and all information going to and from them, but that's doable.

This would require all the major routers to be compromised, or a significant number of them to be compromised.

Hiding meta information, it's basically impossible in my opinion, so pointless.

There's a good side to this, they can't expose they can do this (and I'm not POSITIVE) that they can do this, but it's in theory (and practice) certainly possible and not that difficult, so I would be surprised it cannot be done. It would just take some cooperation with some large corporations, and you can see companies fall all over themselves to cooperate for $$$.