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richwicks
2023 Sep 8, 12:21pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 8, 12:21pm
AmericanKulak says
Because the stupid compulsively lying Neocons shithead traitor retards says "Russia is losing" that ALONE tells you the are not losing.
It's a 20 year old pattern. They only lie.
richwicks says
SAYS WHO?
Our government that lied us into Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria?
SAYS ME.
The rest of what you say has literally nothing to do with my point, which is Russia is covering up for it's failure in the first weeks of the invasion.
Because the stupid compulsively lying Neocons shithead traitor retards says "Russia is losing" that ALONE tells you the are not losing.
It's a 20 year old pattern. They only lie.
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socal2
2023 Sep 8, 12:30pm
AmericanKulak says
Wait his turn? Trump is not an incumbent and he is making Leftist arguments against DeSantis' successful Conservative record. When Trump is not shitting on other successful Conservative Governors who are not kissing his feet, he is giving his political enemies more ammunition for lawfare due to his lack of impulse control.
Personally, I think Bush money is better than Disney or Anhaeuser Bush money. Especially when Trump showed the whole world this past summer that he will make Leftist arguments on culture to defend his financial backers.
When DeSantis starts doing complete 180's on his views or making Leftist arguments like Trump is doing (especially on COVID)- then I will worry.
If Trump is the nominee, I will hold my nose and vote for him happily over any Democrat.
If DeSantis is the nominee, will Only Trumpers throw a fit and write in Evan McMullen or something?
I like DeSantis as governor. I was very happy with him UNTIL he refused to wait his turn AND took Bushite Wimp GOP money.
Wait his turn? Trump is not an incumbent and he is making Leftist arguments against DeSantis' successful Conservative record. When Trump is not shitting on other successful Conservative Governors who are not kissing his feet, he is giving his political enemies more ammunition for lawfare due to his lack of impulse control.
Personally, I think Bush money is better than Disney or Anhaeuser Bush money. Especially when Trump showed the whole world this past summer that he will make Leftist arguments on culture to defend his financial backers.
When DeSantis starts doing complete 180's on his views or making Leftist arguments like Trump is doing (especially on COVID)- then I will worry.
If Trump is the nominee, I will hold my nose and vote for him happily over any Democrat.
If DeSantis is the nominee, will Only Trumpers throw a fit and write in Evan McMullen or something?
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Misc
2023 Sep 8, 2:22pm
So, when is De Santis going to hold that grand jury into Vaxx deaths and injuries ???
So, when is De Santis going to prosecute pedos under that Death penalty law for raping children ???
I did see him take a swipe at Disney so there is that, but after he started running for president, he's kinda dropped his initiatives.- I've gotta assume he was paid off.
So, when is De Santis going to prosecute pedos under that Death penalty law for raping children ???
I did see him take a swipe at Disney so there is that, but after he started running for president, he's kinda dropped his initiatives.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 2:25pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 2:25pm
socal2 says
His poll numbers. End of story. Just because NeverTrump (all of whom are suspiciously ethusiastic for him, which is a major Red Flag) wants him, doesn't mean he's gonna be the nominee.
socal2 says
Because most of the party, esp. on the Federal Level, IS the Swamp.
That's why the border is wide open after ~3/4 of the past 25 years of GOP Purse Power in the House
richwicks says
I didn't say the Russians were losing. I said their initial action was very likely a miscarry, and the claims to the contrary that it was just a fient to Kiev is RUSSIAN propaganda. That the US Deep State lies but the Syrian, Hezbollah, Russia, etc. government tells the truth most of the time and doesn't cover up failures is not accurate either. The Russians certainly aren't losing.
Wait his turn? Trump is not an incumbent and he is making Leftist arguments against DeSantis' successful Conservative record. When Trump is not shitting on other successful Conservative Governors who are not kissing his feet, he is giving his political enemies more ammunition for lawfare due to his lack of impulse control.
His poll numbers. End of story. Just because NeverTrump (all of whom are suspiciously ethusiastic for him, which is a major Red Flag) wants him, doesn't mean he's gonna be the nominee.
socal2 says
Poor Trump. The "leader" of our party couldn't even whip his own party into shape.
Because most of the party, esp. on the Federal Level, IS the Swamp.
That's why the border is wide open after ~3/4 of the past 25 years of GOP Purse Power in the House
richwicks says
Because the stupid compulsively lying Neocons shithead traitor retards says "Russia is losing" that ALONE tells you the are not losing.
I didn't say the Russians were losing. I said their initial action was very likely a miscarry, and the claims to the contrary that it was just a fient to Kiev is RUSSIAN propaganda. That the US Deep State lies but the Syrian, Hezbollah, Russia, etc. government tells the truth most of the time and doesn't cover up failures is not accurate either. The Russians certainly aren't losing.
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richwicks
2023 Sep 8, 2:38pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 8, 2:38pm
socal2 says
20 years after the fact, how can you not recognize that George W. Bush is IDENTICAL to Joe Biden.
They are puppets. If we get another fucking Neocon in the white house, we're off to at least 4 more fucking years of fucking war. THIS is what is destroying our nation. Not drag queen story hour. Remember that "big controversy"? Well, not an issue anymore, should never have been. It's just a bunch of fucked up parents allowing their kids to see fucked up adults. Who cares about them?
Personally, I think Bush money is better than Disney or Anhaeuser Bush money.
20 years after the fact, how can you not recognize that George W. Bush is IDENTICAL to Joe Biden.
They are puppets. If we get another fucking Neocon in the white house, we're off to at least 4 more fucking years of fucking war. THIS is what is destroying our nation. Not drag queen story hour. Remember that "big controversy"? Well, not an issue anymore, should never have been. It's just a bunch of fucked up parents allowing their kids to see fucked up adults. Who cares about them?
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richwicks
2023 Sep 8, 2:42pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 8, 2:42pm
AmericanKulak says
Could be. It's possible.
It doesn't matter.
I'm pointing out Russia isn't fucking up. Things can ALWAYS go better, but what's going is good enough.
The United States wanted to harm Russia, instead the United States has shot itself in the foot. It's clear that NATO is useless, expensive, and stupid to have. Winter is coming, the Nordstream is mostly gone.
AmericanKulak says
You don't have to listen to anybody other than the Neocons. They ALWAYS lie. Whatever they claim, the opposite is true. They claim it will be a short war, it will be years. They claim they are wining, they are losing. They claim that so-and-so is Hitler, they are Hitler. They are the fucking 4th Reich.
I didn't say the Russians were losing. I said their initial action was very likely a miscarry, and the claims to the contrary that it was just a fient to Kiev is RUSSIAN propaganda
Could be. It's possible.
It doesn't matter.
I'm pointing out Russia isn't fucking up. Things can ALWAYS go better, but what's going is good enough.
The United States wanted to harm Russia, instead the United States has shot itself in the foot. It's clear that NATO is useless, expensive, and stupid to have. Winter is coming, the Nordstream is mostly gone.
AmericanKulak says
That the US Deep State lies but the Syrian, Hezbollah, Russia, etc. government tells the truth most of the time and doesn't cover up failures is not accurate either.
You don't have to listen to anybody other than the Neocons. They ALWAYS lie. Whatever they claim, the opposite is true. They claim it will be a short war, it will be years. They claim they are wining, they are losing. They claim that so-and-so is Hitler, they are Hitler. They are the fucking 4th Reich.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 2:50pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 2:50pm
richwicks says
richwicks says
Look, I'm just making two points:
Russia has many issues militarily. They aren't losing, but they aren't the endless Echelons of the Cold War, either.
We are beyond neocons now. The whole establishment, and the Democrat party, and the same Democrats who back their favorite South American or MENA terror group, are all on board with Ukraine.
I'm pointing out Russia isn't fucking up. Things can ALWAYS go better, but what's going is good enough.
richwicks says
You don't have to listen to anybody other than the Neocons. They ALWAYS lie. Whatever they claim, the opposite is true. They claim it will be a short war, it will be years. They claim they are wining, they are losing. They claim that so-and-so is Hitler, they are Hitler. They are the fucking 4th Reich.
Look, I'm just making two points:
Russia has many issues militarily. They aren't losing, but they aren't the endless Echelons of the Cold War, either.
We are beyond neocons now. The whole establishment, and the Democrat party, and the same Democrats who back their favorite South American or MENA terror group, are all on board with Ukraine.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 5:42pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 5:42pm
Donald Trump was the Biggest Popular Vote Earner in US History:
137M votes in 2016 and 2020 combined, beating Obama 2008 and 2012 combined by ~2 Million votes.
Donald Trump got the 2nd Biggest Popular Vote of any President in US History:
74.2M Votes in 2020.
His 2020 total 74.2M official vote beats either of Obama's Election Victories in 2008 (!!!) and 2012 by MILLIONS of votes
And that's the official count, without any correction for fraud. If you think Dem AFSCME and Postal Service employees and RINO Maricopa Clerks and Officials didn't throw out or destroy at least a few 100k's of votes for Trump...
Trump beat every Presidental Candidate in history for the Popular Vote except 2020 Biden and the Dem-RINO Fraud Machine.
He not only trounced every number Obama hit, but smashed every Popular Vote for Bush, Romney, and McCain by ~10M
He won almost every bellweather county but somehow "lost" the election after the great 11PM freeze and 3AM resumption
So let's dispense with the NeverTrump myth that Trump costs the GOP votes. It's the opposite of the Truth: Trump is an incredibe vote getter asset compared to Establishment GOP nominees.
137M votes in 2016 and 2020 combined, beating Obama 2008 and 2012 combined by ~2 Million votes.
Donald Trump got the 2nd Biggest Popular Vote of any President in US History:
74.2M Votes in 2020.
His 2020 total 74.2M official vote beats either of Obama's Election Victories in 2008 (!!!) and 2012 by MILLIONS of votes
And that's the official count, without any correction for fraud. If you think Dem AFSCME and Postal Service employees and RINO Maricopa Clerks and Officials didn't throw out or destroy at least a few 100k's of votes for Trump...
Trump beat every Presidental Candidate in history for the Popular Vote except 2020 Biden and the Dem-RINO Fraud Machine.
He not only trounced every number Obama hit, but smashed every Popular Vote for Bush, Romney, and McCain by ~10M
He won almost every bellweather county but somehow "lost" the election after the great 11PM freeze and 3AM resumption
So let's dispense with the NeverTrump myth that Trump costs the GOP votes. It's the opposite of the Truth: Trump is an incredibe vote getter asset compared to Establishment GOP nominees.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 6:03pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Sep 8, 6:03pm
It's more remarkable when you consider the often illegal acts by Clerks to allow Mail-in ballots by the millions uniquely in 2020.
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richwicks
2023 Sep 8, 7:19pm
richwicks
2023 Sep 8, 7:19pm
AmericanKulak says
They don't need to be. Everything has "issues". Look at OUR military. We have fucking serious issues. We are provoking war EVERYWHERE and we can't fight it. Our military is tremendously expensive, and it's not the best in the world. 20 years of war has destroyed it. For 20 years, if you joined the military, you'd see some sort of action and the only reason people would join is they believed in what was being done, and it's all coming out, that all of it, ALL OF IT was lies.
You think they aren't telling their kids, their friends, and so on? The reason the military is having a hard time meeting quotas and dropping standards is people are saying what I said 30 years ago "this is bullshit".
I don't think Russians are saying that. NATO is a legitimate threat, or at least that's what Russians think.
AmericanKulak says
Neocons rule both parties. That's why Trump exists. Neocons don't care about this country, at all.
The Neocons started out as being open marxists. Then they "found the error of their ways", supposedly. It was George H. Bush that invited them in. They are just authoritarians. Fascist, Communist - who cares? They don't.
The completely control our government at this point. Did you know William Kristol is a democrat now? The guy that was the loudest proponent for the Iraq War?
They have no ideals.
The Ukraine war for them is a way to make money on investments in the Offense Industry. So, it destroys a country, they don't care.
Russia has many issues militarily. They aren't losing, but they aren't the endless Echelons of the Cold War, either.
They don't need to be. Everything has "issues". Look at OUR military. We have fucking serious issues. We are provoking war EVERYWHERE and we can't fight it. Our military is tremendously expensive, and it's not the best in the world. 20 years of war has destroyed it. For 20 years, if you joined the military, you'd see some sort of action and the only reason people would join is they believed in what was being done, and it's all coming out, that all of it, ALL OF IT was lies.
You think they aren't telling their kids, their friends, and so on? The reason the military is having a hard time meeting quotas and dropping standards is people are saying what I said 30 years ago "this is bullshit".
I don't think Russians are saying that. NATO is a legitimate threat, or at least that's what Russians think.
AmericanKulak says
We are beyond neocons now. The whole establishment, and the Democrat party, and the same Democrats who back their favorite South American or MENA terror group, are all on board with Ukraine.
Neocons rule both parties. That's why Trump exists. Neocons don't care about this country, at all.
The Neocons started out as being open marxists. Then they "found the error of their ways", supposedly. It was George H. Bush that invited them in. They are just authoritarians. Fascist, Communist - who cares? They don't.
The completely control our government at this point. Did you know William Kristol is a democrat now? The guy that was the loudest proponent for the Iraq War?
They have no ideals.
The Ukraine war for them is a way to make money on investments in the Offense Industry. So, it destroys a country, they don't care.
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Misc
2023 Nov 9, 8:16pm
Looks like the FBI ain't the only ones that trip people up on Process charges. It's ok to get elected on the premise of curing corruption, but to actually try to do something about it...well DeSantis will treat you like Trump got treated.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/other/judges-exonerate-desantis-ousted-commissioner-who-lost-everything-serving-75-days-in-jail-report/ar-AA1jGvC5?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=e85507adce2f489489f94b44348dba79&ei=13
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/other/judges-exonerate-desantis-ousted-commissioner-who-lost-everything-serving-75-days-in-jail-report/ar-AA1jGvC5?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=e85507adce2f489489f94b44348dba79&ei=13
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AD
2023 Nov 9, 8:52pm
AD
2023 Nov 9, 8:52pm
Misc says
Nothing to do with DeSantis other than DeSantis endorsed the commissioner who was a political target by the crony local prosecutor
the commissioner wanted The Villages and its developer to fund its own infrastructure additions ... that local prosecutor is paid for by the developer and is an elected official
.
Looks like the FBI ain't the only ones that trip people up on Process charges. It's ok to get elected on the premise of curing corruption, but to actually try to do something about it...well DeSantis will treat you like Trump got treated.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/other/judges-exonerate-desantis-ousted-commissioner-who-lost-everything-serving-75-days-in-jail-report/ar-AA1jGvC5?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=e85507adce2f489489f94b44348dba79&ei=13
Nothing to do with DeSantis other than DeSantis endorsed the commissioner who was a political target by the crony local prosecutor
the commissioner wanted The Villages and its developer to fund its own infrastructure additions ... that local prosecutor is paid for by the developer and is an elected official
.
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Misc
2023 Nov 9, 9:10pm
The State's AG that filed the perjury charges was DeSantis appointed. He was helping out the local prosecutor paid for by the developer.
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SunnyvaleCA
2023 Nov 9, 11:59pm
Misc says
First assumption is that it's just a hit piece against DeSantis. I guess MSN wants to make sure he doesn't get the Republican nomination.
Looks like the FBI ain't the only ones that trip people up on Process charges. It's ok to get elected on the premise of curing corruption, but to actually try to do something about it...well DeSantis will treat you like Trump got treated.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/other/judges-exonerate-desantis-ousted-commissioner-who-lost-everything-serving-75-days-in-jail-report/ar-AA1jGvC5?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=e85507adce2f489489f94b44348dba79&ei=13
First assumption is that it's just a hit piece against DeSantis. I guess MSN wants to make sure he doesn't get the Republican nomination.
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Patrick
2023 Nov 15, 12:04pm
Patrick
2023 Nov 15, 12:04pm
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/vaccine-syndrome-wednesday-november
The always-sunny Sunshine State of Florida — whose growth and success can be directly tied to its anti-mandate, pro-freedom pandemic policies — received a top AAA Moodys credit rating this week, even while Moody’s also lowered the United States’ credit rating to negative.
Yesterday, Governor DeSantis rightly bragged about Florida’s top credit rating:
DeSantis deserves to brag about the state’s excellent credit score. Setting aside presidential politics, the Sunshine State’s strong economic performance is a resounding confirmation of pro-freedom, small-government health policy.
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Tenpoundbass
2023 Nov 15, 12:09pm
Tenpoundbass
2023 Nov 15, 12:09pm
DeSantis is a "In the Now" leader. Everything he does is purely to bolster his political brand. He's done absolutely nothing to build like minded GOP throughout the State. He has done nothing to create and foster a strong conservative caucus in Tampa, Orlando, Jacksonville, and Miami Dade areas.
The day his term is over a creepy Democrat governor will be there to replace him. There's not one single GOP household name anywhere in the State of Florida being touted as a suitable or even a possible Governor Contender. That's not a good sign. The Republican base is only powerful when they back a firebrand candidate, that had several years to build that inertia. They don't jump on primary season bandwagons, and the stay home if their team isn't playing in the game.
DeScamedus, is a fake Jive ass bitch, who's only intent with his populist glad handing was to usurp Trump and hijack his base. It kills that high heel wearing dink that it isn't happening.
The day his term is over a creepy Democrat governor will be there to replace him. There's not one single GOP household name anywhere in the State of Florida being touted as a suitable or even a possible Governor Contender. That's not a good sign. The Republican base is only powerful when they back a firebrand candidate, that had several years to build that inertia. They don't jump on primary season bandwagons, and the stay home if their team isn't playing in the game.
DeScamedus, is a fake Jive ass bitch, who's only intent with his populist glad handing was to usurp Trump and hijack his base. It kills that high heel wearing dink that it isn't happening.
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socal2
2023 Nov 15, 1:34pm
Tenpoundbass says
Yet DeSantis turned a Purple State blood Red in the last election while most of Trump's national picks went down in flames losing easy elections because most Americans are sick of Trump and his drama. DeSantis didn't compromise going all Liberal to win (as Trump routinely does) trying to suck up votes from the ghetto by going soft on crime or playing nice with trannys and Disney. DeSantis won on Conservative principles, whereas Trump has few Conservative principles and just tries to cut deals to make people like him.
How many more elections do we need to lose since Trump caught lightning in a bottle in 2016 to get our heads out of our asses?
2024 is a different universe than 2016. Trump is still toxic to a HUGE segment of the population and is not getting any younger. Democrats are going to run a young fresh face with little drama to make it easy for the Trump haters and Moderates to pull the lever for the Donkeys again - despite how bad Biden has been.
And we will all be here on Patnet at this time next year crying about voter fraud to try and explain away our idiocy of nominating Trump again.
DeSantis is a "In the Now" leader. Everything he does is purely to bolster his political brand. He's done absolutely nothing to build like minded GOP throughout the State. He has done nothing to create and foster a strong conservative caucus in Tampa, Orlando, Jacksonville, and Miami Dade areas.
Yet DeSantis turned a Purple State blood Red in the last election while most of Trump's national picks went down in flames losing easy elections because most Americans are sick of Trump and his drama. DeSantis didn't compromise going all Liberal to win (as Trump routinely does) trying to suck up votes from the ghetto by going soft on crime or playing nice with trannys and Disney. DeSantis won on Conservative principles, whereas Trump has few Conservative principles and just tries to cut deals to make people like him.
How many more elections do we need to lose since Trump caught lightning in a bottle in 2016 to get our heads out of our asses?
2024 is a different universe than 2016. Trump is still toxic to a HUGE segment of the population and is not getting any younger. Democrats are going to run a young fresh face with little drama to make it easy for the Trump haters and Moderates to pull the lever for the Donkeys again - despite how bad Biden has been.
And we will all be here on Patnet at this time next year crying about voter fraud to try and explain away our idiocy of nominating Trump again.
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Onvacation
2023 Nov 16, 5:08am
Onvacation
2023 Nov 16, 5:08am
socal2 says
DeSantis is part of the deep state.
DeSantis is the only politician running this cycle that has PROVEN he knows how to do the hard work and fight the deep state and fucking WIN!
DeSantis is part of the deep state.
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socal2
2023 Nov 16, 8:26am
Onvacation says
We are to believe DeSantis' entire life and legislative accomplishments were a big fake so he could get elected President - and then become Liberal like Trump and get soft on all of the hot button issues impacting our culture?
If by some miracle Trump were able to win in 2024, he will spend all his time fighting his court battles and kissing up to Liberals trying to be popular and liked again.
DeSantis is part of the deep state.
We are to believe DeSantis' entire life and legislative accomplishments were a big fake so he could get elected President - and then become Liberal like Trump and get soft on all of the hot button issues impacting our culture?
If by some miracle Trump were able to win in 2024, he will spend all his time fighting his court battles and kissing up to Liberals trying to be popular and liked again.
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krc
2023 Nov 16, 8:37am
socal2 says
I just don't think that Reps can win unless Trump runs. A large segment of those who voted for Trump won't back another candidate.
It is Trump or nothing with a large segment of the populist base. And, yeah, Trump does move back and forth between right and left, but that is why he
is popular with non-traditional republicans and pulls minority voters more than any other Rep ever will.
With the voter registration in Dem favor (and growing) and spending 3:1 in $ (just look who the billionaires support), it is
already hard for a Rep to win. Without Trump - I think it is impossible. If Trump had less of an ego, he could be a king maker and have a huge influence
well into the future. But I think for him ego trumps all...
He might just be the very last Rep President ever. The Rep party is in disarray as it doesn't know what it wants to be.
All this combined with bad messaging on abortion and 2024 could be rough. Ironically, Trump may be the only one on the right who
can be flexible enough on a message that can draw wide range support - if his message is allowed out. Trump already moved toward
the left on abortion many months ago...
And we will all be here on Patnet at this time next year crying about voter fraud to try and explain away our idiocy of nominating Trump again.
I just don't think that Reps can win unless Trump runs. A large segment of those who voted for Trump won't back another candidate.
It is Trump or nothing with a large segment of the populist base. And, yeah, Trump does move back and forth between right and left, but that is why he
is popular with non-traditional republicans and pulls minority voters more than any other Rep ever will.
With the voter registration in Dem favor (and growing) and spending 3:1 in $ (just look who the billionaires support), it is
already hard for a Rep to win. Without Trump - I think it is impossible. If Trump had less of an ego, he could be a king maker and have a huge influence
well into the future. But I think for him ego trumps all...
He might just be the very last Rep President ever. The Rep party is in disarray as it doesn't know what it wants to be.
All this combined with bad messaging on abortion and 2024 could be rough. Ironically, Trump may be the only one on the right who
can be flexible enough on a message that can draw wide range support - if his message is allowed out. Trump already moved toward
the left on abortion many months ago...
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socal2
2023 Nov 16, 8:59am
krc says
There are not enough black votes to make up for all the Conservatives, Moderates, Independents, Never-Trumpers and Wine Moms Trump has lost forever.
If we have to win the black vote by Trump kissing up to Kanye and the Kardashians, emptying our prisons and causing massive crime nationwide - count me out.
krc says
People were saying the same thing about Florida just a few years ago. "The State has too many Liberal New Yorkers and Hispanics - it will be permanently Blue!"
We have a successful blueprint with DeSantis.
Trump will be nothing but more disarray while Democrats run laps around us.
After the Biden/Democrat catastrophe, 2024 should be the easiest layup for Republicans in history. But we are retarded and are going to nominate the one guy that is about as unpopular at Biden!
It is Trump or nothing with a large segment of the populist base. And, yeah, Trump does move back and forth between right and left, but that is why he
is popular with non-traditional republicans and pulls minority voters more than any other Rep ever will.
There are not enough black votes to make up for all the Conservatives, Moderates, Independents, Never-Trumpers and Wine Moms Trump has lost forever.
If we have to win the black vote by Trump kissing up to Kanye and the Kardashians, emptying our prisons and causing massive crime nationwide - count me out.
krc says
He might just be the very last Rep President ever. The Rep party is in disarray as it doesn't know what it wants to be.
People were saying the same thing about Florida just a few years ago. "The State has too many Liberal New Yorkers and Hispanics - it will be permanently Blue!"
We have a successful blueprint with DeSantis.
Trump will be nothing but more disarray while Democrats run laps around us.
After the Biden/Democrat catastrophe, 2024 should be the easiest layup for Republicans in history. But we are retarded and are going to nominate the one guy that is about as unpopular at Biden!
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krc
2023 Nov 16, 9:33am
socal2 says
First, elections are very very close - particularly in the battlegrounds - so every vote can make a difference. And, stuff that Trump did to attract minority voters was conservative: work is good, illegal immigration is bad. I think you believe that minority voters can't change their minds if there is an attractive position and move to the right and I disagree. Polling shows black males in particular are attracted to Trump's message. His modifications around incarceration were generally principled.
And, I see the opposite in my area. If Trump doesn't run, I know many will simply not show up to the polls. If you are a conservative and can't back Trump because he is not a full fledged member of the outsourcing/send jobs overseas to increase stock price party, or you are a conservative business relying on cross border migrant work, or your "religion" would say that Trump is not a "good person"- well - that is exactly why the Rep party is split. Trump moved the Party to populist positions that the general traditional old line Rep community wouldn't support.
socal2 says
First, DeSantis will never be president as he is far too short. He lacks charisma. And, frankly, he hasn't really differentiated himself from Trump in any meaningful way that sticks. He is not building a great national party agenda either - he is focused on FL which is fine. He is very effective and organized, but it takes more than that to lead nationally. That said, if trump bowed out, not sure if there is another Rep who can run besides DeSantis. Vivek gets headlines, but not sure he appeals generally.
There are not enough black votes to make up for all the Conservatives, Moderates, Independents, Never-Trumpers and Wine Moms Trump has lost forever.
First, elections are very very close - particularly in the battlegrounds - so every vote can make a difference. And, stuff that Trump did to attract minority voters was conservative: work is good, illegal immigration is bad. I think you believe that minority voters can't change their minds if there is an attractive position and move to the right and I disagree. Polling shows black males in particular are attracted to Trump's message. His modifications around incarceration were generally principled.
And, I see the opposite in my area. If Trump doesn't run, I know many will simply not show up to the polls. If you are a conservative and can't back Trump because he is not a full fledged member of the outsourcing/send jobs overseas to increase stock price party, or you are a conservative business relying on cross border migrant work, or your "religion" would say that Trump is not a "good person"- well - that is exactly why the Rep party is split. Trump moved the Party to populist positions that the general traditional old line Rep community wouldn't support.
socal2 says
We have a successful blueprint with DeSantis.
First, DeSantis will never be president as he is far too short. He lacks charisma. And, frankly, he hasn't really differentiated himself from Trump in any meaningful way that sticks. He is not building a great national party agenda either - he is focused on FL which is fine. He is very effective and organized, but it takes more than that to lead nationally. That said, if trump bowed out, not sure if there is another Rep who can run besides DeSantis. Vivek gets headlines, but not sure he appeals generally.
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krc
2023 Nov 16, 9:59am
I do disagree btw with previous commentators that FL hasn't built a strong Rep bench. If you look at statewide office, senators, etc... they are all Rep in FL. They haven't quite locked out Democrats to the level that the Dems have done to Reps in CA, but they are on track if they can close the deal and pass more laws that destroy the oppositions ability to counterattack, run for office, etc.... Now that Reps have Supermajority in the legislature, they should start preventing the Dems from organizing effectively. Pass laws that are a thorn in Dems get out the vote plans, etc... The need to copy what the Dems did in CA and assure themselves full control well into the future. And ignore the media shills that say any laws by the supermajority should be struck down etc. Ironic the media only cares about supermajorities for Rep states but are fine with CA Dem supermajority.
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socal2
2023 Nov 16, 10:21am
krc says
Emptying our prisons with the "First Step Act" was not great and helped drive (along with Trump's lockdown policies) the record crime rate we have seen in recent years. Trump presided over all the BLM/George Floyd riots too. Whatever Trump is doing with the black vote, is not resulting in winning elections or safer streets.
krc says
I have said repeatedly that I will crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump (or any Candidate) who gets nominated by the Republicans, because the Democrats are that bad.
If Trumpers can't vote for a guy like DeSantis (Trump's only real competition who is 10X more successful, principled and Conservative than Trump) than they aren't Conservative at all.
krc says
DeSantis has totally differentiated himself from Trump by actually being SUCCESSFUL in governing and winning elections.
Virtually all of the good things Trump did (and there were many) were by Executive Order and were easily erased within the first month of the Biden Administration. America is more fucked today than we were before Trump's 4 years in office. Can you name any lasting achievements from Trump's administration?
Trump has no experienced staff or operators and will once again get rolled by the Deep State and Bureaucracy while he continues to fight all the legal battles from his first terms by not having the team and experience to deal with Liberals who have weaponized government against Conservatives.
And, stuff that Trump did to attract minority voters was conservative: work is good, illegal immigration is bad.
Emptying our prisons with the "First Step Act" was not great and helped drive (along with Trump's lockdown policies) the record crime rate we have seen in recent years. Trump presided over all the BLM/George Floyd riots too. Whatever Trump is doing with the black vote, is not resulting in winning elections or safer streets.
krc says
If Trump doesn't run, I know many will simply not show up to the polls. If you are a conservative and can't back Trump because he is not a full fledged member of the outsourcing/send jobs overseas to increase stock price party,
I have said repeatedly that I will crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump (or any Candidate) who gets nominated by the Republicans, because the Democrats are that bad.
If Trumpers can't vote for a guy like DeSantis (Trump's only real competition who is 10X more successful, principled and Conservative than Trump) than they aren't Conservative at all.
krc says
First, DeSantis will never be president as he is far too short. He lacks charisma. And, frankly, he hasn't really differentiated himself from Trump in any meaningful way that sticks.
DeSantis has totally differentiated himself from Trump by actually being SUCCESSFUL in governing and winning elections.
Virtually all of the good things Trump did (and there were many) were by Executive Order and were easily erased within the first month of the Biden Administration. America is more fucked today than we were before Trump's 4 years in office. Can you name any lasting achievements from Trump's administration?
Trump has no experienced staff or operators and will once again get rolled by the Deep State and Bureaucracy while he continues to fight all the legal battles from his first terms by not having the team and experience to deal with Liberals who have weaponized government against Conservatives.
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RayAmerica
2023 Nov 16, 10:28am
RayAmerica
2023 Nov 16, 10:28am
socal2 says
Since when does that matter when it comes to politics in America?
Case in point: Barack Hussein Obama. What were his accomplishments prior to being elected POTUS? There were none. But he proclaimed "enough is enough,' 'hope and change,' blah, blah, blah and won another term after his disastrous train wreck of a first term. (Of course the GOP ran two garbage candidates, which certainly played a major role in Obama's success.)
DeSantis appears to have been a very good governor, but the guy is so stiff and boring he's enough to put you to sleep. Videos of his performances so far in the debates could be used for torture.
DeSantis has totally differentiated himself from Trump by actually being SUCCESSFUL in governing and winning elections.
Since when does that matter when it comes to politics in America?
Case in point: Barack Hussein Obama. What were his accomplishments prior to being elected POTUS? There were none. But he proclaimed "enough is enough,' 'hope and change,' blah, blah, blah and won another term after his disastrous train wreck of a first term. (Of course the GOP ran two garbage candidates, which certainly played a major role in Obama's success.)
DeSantis appears to have been a very good governor, but the guy is so stiff and boring he's enough to put you to sleep. Videos of his performances so far in the debates could be used for torture.
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socal2
2023 Nov 16, 11:00am
RayAmerica says
It is clear some want an entertainer clown, more drama and get nothing done. As much as I loved Trump "owning the Libs" we have nothing to show for it 7 years later other than a country that is worse off than it was in 2016.
Tired of the lame celebrity worship we see in Trump supporters. "Trump is going to win over the LGBTQ's since he is nice to Bruce Jenner!" "Trump is going to win the UAW vote because he is nice to unions!" "Trump is going to win the black vote because Trump emptied the jails!"
I want a guy that is cold, calculated and SUCCESSFUL in getting Conservative policies enacted in our government without selling out to Liberals and celebrities. DeSantis has proved that in spades picking (and winning) high profile fights with Corporations and entrenched government bureaucracy despite people claiming he has no charisma.
I want the guy that has the ability to serve 8 years and not be a lame duck when first elected and tied up with tons of litigation that will distract them from serving the people that elected him.
I want a guy that is not one Big Mac away from having a heart attack and dying in his 80's. Trump is certainly mentally and physically sharper than Biden, but Trump lost both of his siblings in recent years and he is not a paragon of health.
DeSantis appears to have been a very good governor, but the guy is so stiff and boring he's enough to put you to sleep. Videos of his performances so far in the debates could be used for torture.
It is clear some want an entertainer clown, more drama and get nothing done. As much as I loved Trump "owning the Libs" we have nothing to show for it 7 years later other than a country that is worse off than it was in 2016.
Tired of the lame celebrity worship we see in Trump supporters. "Trump is going to win over the LGBTQ's since he is nice to Bruce Jenner!" "Trump is going to win the UAW vote because he is nice to unions!" "Trump is going to win the black vote because Trump emptied the jails!"
I want a guy that is cold, calculated and SUCCESSFUL in getting Conservative policies enacted in our government without selling out to Liberals and celebrities. DeSantis has proved that in spades picking (and winning) high profile fights with Corporations and entrenched government bureaucracy despite people claiming he has no charisma.
I want the guy that has the ability to serve 8 years and not be a lame duck when first elected and tied up with tons of litigation that will distract them from serving the people that elected him.
I want a guy that is not one Big Mac away from having a heart attack and dying in his 80's. Trump is certainly mentally and physically sharper than Biden, but Trump lost both of his siblings in recent years and he is not a paragon of health.
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Onvacation
2023 Nov 16, 11:28am
Onvacation
2023 Nov 16, 11:28am
socal2 says
I don't believe that. I do believe that DeSantis was a lawyer at Guantanamo and has deep links to the intelligence agencies.
We are to believe DeSantis' entire life and legislative accomplishments were a big fake so he could get elected President
I don't believe that. I do believe that DeSantis was a lawyer at Guantanamo and has deep links to the intelligence agencies.
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socal2
2023 Nov 16, 1:00pm
Onvacation says
Trump's MAGA fanclub is now shitting on the US military for being too mean to Islamists.
I don't believe that. I do believe that DeSantis was a lawyer at Guantanamo and has deep links to the intelligence agencies.
Trump's MAGA fanclub is now shitting on the US military for being too mean to Islamists.
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krc
2023 Nov 16, 3:05pm
socal2 says
That is very true, but at least this time his team is correcting that by getting experienced feds and others from NGOs listing themselves as willing to serve. Then, ideally, they have a go-to list. Maybe that will help - if elected.
Trump has no experienced staff or operators and will once again get rolled by the Deep State and Bureaucracy while he continues to fight all the legal battles from his first terms by not having the team and experience to deal with Liberals who have weaponized government against Conservatives.
That is very true, but at least this time his team is correcting that by getting experienced feds and others from NGOs listing themselves as willing to serve. Then, ideally, they have a go-to list. Maybe that will help - if elected.
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krc
2023 Nov 16, 3:25pm
socal2 says
Yes, once the house was lost in the midterm he was pretty powerless. And he lost because of the russia-gate BS and because of the distaste from the run-of-the-mill country club Rep. And, yeah, Trump is conservative on some issues but willing to compromise on others. And, come on, even conservatives realize that police and others had enormous power that led to abuse. I personally went through an issue with an overzealous cop in WA, and it was a nightmare.
Lasting achievements - Supreme court, DOE letter protecting men from witch-hunt courts on university campuses ( overturned by Biden), focusing on China as a clear and present danger (Dems again copying), etc.. And obviously anytime the opposition comes into power with both exec and legislative branches any previous admin changes are undone. That is just how politics work. Can't help it if the right let the Dems steal 2020 in so many ways - the bigger steals were even before the actual election. All the couch surfing conservatives simply talking and not working are certainly frustrating everyone.
Virtually all of the good things Trump did (and there were many) were by Executive Order and were easily erased within the first month of the Biden Administration. America is more fucked today than we were before Trump's 4 years in office. Can you name any lasting achievements from Trump's administration?
Yes, once the house was lost in the midterm he was pretty powerless. And he lost because of the russia-gate BS and because of the distaste from the run-of-the-mill country club Rep. And, yeah, Trump is conservative on some issues but willing to compromise on others. And, come on, even conservatives realize that police and others had enormous power that led to abuse. I personally went through an issue with an overzealous cop in WA, and it was a nightmare.
Lasting achievements - Supreme court, DOE letter protecting men from witch-hunt courts on university campuses ( overturned by Biden), focusing on China as a clear and present danger (Dems again copying), etc.. And obviously anytime the opposition comes into power with both exec and legislative branches any previous admin changes are undone. That is just how politics work. Can't help it if the right let the Dems steal 2020 in so many ways - the bigger steals were even before the actual election. All the couch surfing conservatives simply talking and not working are certainly frustrating everyone.
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RWSGFY
2023 Nov 16, 3:33pm
RWSGFY
2023 Nov 16, 3:33pm
socal2 says
This is the idiocy of "always 100% opposing everything the other side does or supports, principles be damned!" on full display. Trump was super-mean to Islamonazis (ask Gen. Salami or ISIS), but since it's Sleepy Joe who's doing them the boo-boos now WE CAN'T HAVE THAT!!!
Onvacation says
I don't believe that. I do believe that DeSantis was a lawyer at Guantanamo and has deep links to the intelligence agencies.
Trump's MAGA fanclub is now shitting on the US military for being too mean to Islamists.
This is the idiocy of "always 100% opposing everything the other side does or supports, principles be damned!" on full display. Trump was super-mean to Islamonazis (ask Gen. Salami or ISIS), but since it's Sleepy Joe who's doing them the boo-boos now WE CAN'T HAVE THAT!!!
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Onvacation
2023 Nov 16, 5:08pm
Onvacation
2023 Nov 16, 5:08pm
It's probably pretty hard not to be part of the deep-state and hold high office. It's pretty obvious a lot of politicians are extremely corrupt and are enriching themselves by selling out America.
Trump may be deep state as well. He did some good things but much was just political theatre. He could have easily done some things he didn't.
I don't think Trump is deep state. I think he was originally cast to lose to Hilary and then he would settle down to a job like mayor or governor of New York, or maybe just go back to reality shows. But he won! He exposed how deep the swamp really is. He started a movement that MUST live beyond him, but for now he is our leader with the best chance to MAGA.
It's going to be a fun year. The political theatre is lit!
Trump may be deep state as well. He did some good things but much was just political theatre. He could have easily done some things he didn't.
I don't think Trump is deep state. I think he was originally cast to lose to Hilary and then he would settle down to a job like mayor or governor of New York, or maybe just go back to reality shows. But he won! He exposed how deep the swamp really is. He started a movement that MUST live beyond him, but for now he is our leader with the best chance to MAGA.
It's going to be a fun year. The political theatre is lit!
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socal2
2023 Nov 27, 2:22pm
We have the DeSantis/Newsom debate later this week.
Imagine having a big bright line General Election between these two debating substantive and meaningful topics that impact our everyday lives like immigration, law enforcement, taxes, education and culture.....and COVID
Instead, we will be exposed to another polarizing clown show of two old octogenarians that the majority of the country already hates and have made up their minds on.
Democrats love it because they KNOW they have no success to run on and people are fleeing Blue States to Red States by the droves. Democrats can only run on the fear and hatred of Trump.
Imagine having a big bright line General Election between these two debating substantive and meaningful topics that impact our everyday lives like immigration, law enforcement, taxes, education and culture.....and COVID
Instead, we will be exposed to another polarizing clown show of two old octogenarians that the majority of the country already hates and have made up their minds on.
Democrats love it because they KNOW they have no success to run on and people are fleeing Blue States to Red States by the droves. Democrats can only run on the fear and hatred of Trump.
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Tenpoundbass
2023 Nov 27, 2:27pm
Tenpoundbass
2023 Nov 27, 2:27pm
Rona is just proving herself as unfit for office. This should never be allowed, DeSantis is polling lower than anyone. Trump has the nomination, the only way any of them thinks they stand a chance is if Trump gets incarcerated. Which is why the RINOs are colluding with the Commies, to have the Trump witch hunt trials right as the primary season starts, and it's too late for a MAGA replacement.
Newsome hasn't even officially entered the race, or filed for it. Has anyone forgot the trouble Kid Rock got into to teasing a run for office, and printing up political schwag, while not officially running? Again one sided rules for thee, but not for Stalin.
Newsome hasn't even officially entered the race, or filed for it. Has anyone forgot the trouble Kid Rock got into to teasing a run for office, and printing up political schwag, while not officially running? Again one sided rules for thee, but not for Stalin.
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Eric Holder
2023 Nov 27, 2:28pm
Eric Holder
2023 Nov 27, 2:28pm
Tenpoundbass says
Um, no: incarceration does not legally prevent anyone from running and being elected.
the only way any of them thinks they stand a chance is if Trump gets incarcerated.
Um, no: incarceration does not legally prevent anyone from running and being elected.
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Tenpoundbass
2023 Nov 27, 2:36pm
Tenpoundbass
2023 Nov 27, 2:36pm
Eric Holder says
Yeah but Liberals makes up rules as obstacles present themselves.
Just like they said there was no 25th amendment and used it as the base of their J6 persecution and Trump impeachment witch hunt.
Then when they got in office, the first order of business in 2021 was repealing the 25th that they said didn't exist.
Um, no: incarceration does not legally prevent anyone from running and being elected.
Yeah but Liberals makes up rules as obstacles present themselves.
Just like they said there was no 25th amendment and used it as the base of their J6 persecution and Trump impeachment witch hunt.
Then when they got in office, the first order of business in 2021 was repealing the 25th that they said didn't exist.
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Eric Holder
2023 Nov 27, 2:39pm
Eric Holder
2023 Nov 27, 2:39pm
Tenpoundbass says
They repealed exactly diddly squat. As in nada. Zilch.
Then when they got in office, the first order of business in 2021 was repealing the 25th that they said didn't exist.
They repealed exactly diddly squat. As in nada. Zilch.
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socal2
2023 Nov 27, 2:53pm
Tenpoundbass says
Yes - Rona is unfit for office. Too bad Trump was her major supporter, knowing she is useless other than running interference for Trump while Republicans were losing easy elections around the country and wasting donor money fighting Trump's legal persecution.
National primary polls mean jack shit right now. But DeSantis is clearly in the #2 position and has a good chance of winning Iowa.
It would have been nice to see if Trump can stand on a debate stage and defend is record against Conservative critiques from DeSantis. But that won't happen because the Deep State doesn't want to damage Trump too bad before he can lock up the nomination. Last debate I remember of Trump was the shit show against Biden where they just screamed over each other while Trump was looking like shit with COVID. I am sure he looks even fresher 4 years later!
I imagine 2 basement campaigns between Trump and Biden in the General. No debates on ideas or evaluation of Biden's awful record. Just more bullshit re-litigating 2020 and Republicans will likely lose another easy layup election.
Rona is just proving herself as unfit for office. This should never be allowed, DeSantis is polling lower than anyone.
Yes - Rona is unfit for office. Too bad Trump was her major supporter, knowing she is useless other than running interference for Trump while Republicans were losing easy elections around the country and wasting donor money fighting Trump's legal persecution.
National primary polls mean jack shit right now. But DeSantis is clearly in the #2 position and has a good chance of winning Iowa.
It would have been nice to see if Trump can stand on a debate stage and defend is record against Conservative critiques from DeSantis. But that won't happen because the Deep State doesn't want to damage Trump too bad before he can lock up the nomination. Last debate I remember of Trump was the shit show against Biden where they just screamed over each other while Trump was looking like shit with COVID. I am sure he looks even fresher 4 years later!
I imagine 2 basement campaigns between Trump and Biden in the General. No debates on ideas or evaluation of Biden's awful record. Just more bullshit re-litigating 2020 and Republicans will likely lose another easy layup election.
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I will still vote for him in 2024 if he is the Candidate, but now I prefer DeSantis.