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Active Shooter link to Marijuana use


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2022 Jun 7, 9:40am   3,107 views  40 comments

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Cannabis and the Violent Crime Surge

Heavy marijuana use among youths is leading to more addiction and antisocial behavior.

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Alex Berenson, author of “Tell Your Children: The Truth About Marijuana, Mental Illness and Violence,” pointed out that the New York Times had curiously removed from an article about the Uvalde school shooting a former co-worker’s recollection that he complained about his grandmother not letting him smoke weed. The Times didn’t append a correction to the story as it might be expected to do when fixing a factual inaccuracy.

Assuming the elided detail was accurate, it would fit a pattern. Mass shooters at Rep. Gibby Giffords’s constituent meeting in Tucson, Ariz. (2011), a movie theater in Aurora, Colo. (2012), the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Fla. (2016), the First Baptist church in Sutherland Springs, Texas (2017), and Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla. (2018), were reported to be marijuana users. It could be a coincidence, but increasing evidence suggests a connection.

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One in 6 people who start using pot while under 18 will develop an addiction, which doctors call “cannabis use disorder.” As they use the drug more frequently to satisfy cravings, they develop psychological and social problems.

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Roneet Lev, an addiction specialist who previously led the Emergency Department at Scripps Mercy Hospital in San Diego, said in a recent interview with the American Council on Science and Health that California cannabis emergency-room visits climbed 53% in the three years after the state legalized recreational marijuana in 2016. Daily marijuana emergency-room visits in San Diego nearly quadrupled between 2014 and 2019.

Cannabis-induced psychosis, she said, is fairly common. Some patients she treated experienced cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome from long-term use, which causes “scromiting”—screaming and vomiting. There’s no antidote. Some patients spend weeks in the emergency room waiting for placement in mental-health clinics.

Countless studies have also linked chronic cannabis use to schizophrenia. A meta-analysis in January examining 591 studies concluded that early marijuana use among adolescents was associated with a significant increase in the risk of developing schizophrenia. Researchers have yet to prove a causal relationship, but the weight of evidence is hard to dismiss.

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Young people are especially vulnerable to cannabis’s effects because their brains are still developing. Scientists in a recent study reviewed scans of teenagers’ brains before and after they started using pot. They found that parts of the brain involved in decision making and morality judgments were altered in pot users compared to nonusers.

But can pot make people violent? A study last year found that young people with such mood disorders as depression who were also addicted to pot were 3.2 times more likely to commit self-harm and die of homicide—often after initiating violence—than those who weren’t. A meta-analysis found the risk of perpetrating violence was more than twice as high for young adults who used marijuana. It’s possible that pot can trigger dangerous behavior in youths who may be predisposed to it for other reasons such as prenatal exposure to drugs.

Also worrisome, legalization seems to be leading to more pregnant women using pot. About 20% of pregnant young women in California tested positive for marijuana in 2016. THC crosses the placenta and can impair neurological development. Prenatal exposure to marijuana has been linked to behavioral problems, mental illness and lower academic achievement in children and adolescents.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/cannabis-and-the-violent-crime-surge-marijuana-pot-use-thc-shootings-psychosis-mental-11654540197?st=bd2v1x3z4alvp4t&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

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29   NuttBoxer   2022 Jun 8, 11:31am  

There's so many factors that have never been addressed by cannabis studies, mostly because of the funding issues due to it being schedule 1. Did the people ingesting use butane directly, or a hemp wick? Was their cannabis organic? Are the seeds used to grow the plant GMO?

If all you're getting is the natural plant, not butane poison, no pesticides, and no forced female seeds, then I don't care how much THC you smoke, and I don't care at what age. There will never be psychosis.

And unfortunately, until the industry cares more about healing than profits, there will never be these studies.

Guns don't kill people, and cannabis doesn't make them losers. Please stop using circumstantial logic to try and rationalize your opinion. Directed at everyone in this thread who think cannabis is dangerous.

I will qualify the dangerous part though. Enough of anything can harm your liver. Smoke is preferred over edibles as the uptake of CBD's is significantly higher. And the cannabis need not have any THC to achieve health benefits.
30   Ceffer   2022 Jun 8, 8:03pm  

In my ill wasted youth, I once took a road trip to New Orleans with a ride sharing group. Somewhere around Riverside, somebody passed around some marijuana brownies. They took a while to come on, but were really strong.

For the part that I was not driving, it was a hatchback with a window in the back with a blanket, and you could lay down and look at the sky. Going through the Arizona desert, the sky was crystal clear, and there was a meteor shower that wouldn't quit, they were constant, closely spaced, bright meteors firing for a very long time. I have to admit with the drug enhancement, it was an unforgettable experience. I have never seen a meteor shower like that since, though I have looked.
31   WookieMan   2022 Jun 8, 9:17pm  

I'm not a big movie guy, but being high and watching a good movie is amazing.

Music is my jam though. Specifically with over the ear headphones on. I actually will do it at live shows where they offer it. I'll be pissing or getting a beer and still grooving out to the live show. It's a cool concept.

Designing a atmos home theater sound system for the new house. My budget for this might be large. I might drop $20-30k on this. Actually I'll probably spend $50k on home audio. Inside, outside and theater. If I can keep the foundation, framing, drywall and roof to $250-300k, I'm going to have a field day on finishing it out. Lighting is another biggie for me but that should be under $10k. Pool cost is unknown as IL has plenty of pools, but with the freeze/thaw you have to be careful.
32   richwicks   2022 Jun 9, 8:41pm  

WookieMan says

I'm not a big movie guy, but being high and watching a good movie is amazing.



Watching 2001 and Altered States is amazing when you're high. I first saw Altered States when I was high, and it's just a great movie in that altered state. Some of the visuals are just amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzO-qS5WSQ

Today, if they would even make a movie like that again (they wouldn't), they wouldn't be able to get the strange trippy visuals right.
33   AD   2023 Jun 26, 11:38am  

RWSGFY says

Cannabis and the Violent Crime Surge


yes as it does impact the ability to show empathy ...so it creates a zombie thug persona ...
34   NuttBoxer   2023 Jun 26, 1:58pm  

So I'm no pot head, my cannabis increases my empathy and sensitivity to my kids and my wife.

Given the rampant evidence of SSRI abuse, especially when it comes to shootings, I don't understand how a thread like this even exists, unless it's being pushed by people with no real world experience on the subject.
35   richwicks   2023 Jun 26, 3:46pm  

ad says


RWSGFY says


Cannabis and the Violent Crime Surge


yes as it does impact the ability to show empathy ...so it creates a zombie thug persona ...



Anybody that has used cannabis that is violent on it is, seriously, a sociopath. It increases empathy and creativity with the downside that it makes you stupid for a bit.

I literally can't kill a fly when I'm high. Seriously, you'd need a total lack of empathy to be violent on it.
36   NuttBoxer   2023 Jun 27, 8:06am  

I don't think you get stupid. It's more of a shift in focus based on heightened/new sensory input, and a slowed down pace that allows for more pondering. There are many different ways to live and experience the world, just because it's a different way doesn't mean that person is dumber at the time.
37   richwicks   2023 Jun 27, 8:23am  

NuttBoxer says

I don't think you get stupid. It's more of a shift in focus based on heightened/new sensory input, and a slowed down pace that allows for more pondering. There are many different ways to live and experience the world, just because it's a different way doesn't mean that person is dumber at the time.


I'm definitely more stupid when I'm high. I can't do detailed work, but I can do high level work, but most of that "high level work" is garbage.

Like coding when I'm stoned - it's impossible because I can't keep track of enough of the variables or where I precisely am in an implementation. ARCHITECTING code? Yeah, that's actually simplified - but I make a lot of errors in the design because I don't see caveats and contractions. Still, I can come up with a lot of great ideas on it.

I just don't get who could be violent on cannabis. I used to get high with my cousin and then take my dogs for a walk. I swear I noticed a behavior change in them once I got high, but I also treated them differently I guess too. Much more empathetic and patient with anything they wanted to do. It wasn't like I was in a hurry though or anything.

One of my fosters once pulled me down an embankment - she was always an asshole, dragged me down on my face, the grade was like 30%. Normally I would have been angry, and she knew that, I got up covered in mud, dirt, and pine needles and I started to laugh and she hurt me too.
38   NuttBoxer   2023 Jun 27, 10:35am  

I would probably freak out if I had to work while high, although I have done it before, when I was still high from the night before. Was a chill environment, so just shined it on for an hour or so. Do what makes sense for the mood.
39   Ceffer   2023 Jun 27, 10:57am  

I go back to my thug football player roommate, whose gang would 'drop beans' (benzedrine), or smoke pot. He said that when he smoked pot, he was nice and passive. When he didn't, he would knock old lady's down to steal their purses.

It could be that THC restrains more crime than it stimulates, but that is an impossible statistic to investigate. I do know that every innominate blue collar worker we have been around for the last year or two have always reeked of dope. Want them to riot and twerk over burning cop cars, feed them captagon and fast food human flesh food. Want to calm them down, dump marijuana bales in the hoods.
40   NuttBoxer   2023 Jun 27, 1:10pm  

Not impossible, you just need a little experience and common sense.

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