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Lets all just be friends people

This is by far, the funniest thread ever on patnet and that's saying something.

Zak says

Umm.. I can almost see Rin's eyes rolling from space. "Sending bad thoughts" is not the same thing as physical threats of violence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUMLG8O4JA8

Rin says

It's to get me to try to troll him again which I'd already promised Patrick I wouldn't do.

Trolling is fun but better without any implied threats of any kind. Pretend that you agree and bring idea to unreasonable extreme which I suppose was done in this case

Reading this whole thread, I can't figure out if one side is serious, both sides are serious, or both sides are being sarcastic. Maybe there should be an explicit </sarc> label that people could use; that would save people some worry.

When Rin finally responded, I think it would have been better if he had been straightforward (assuming he was being sarcastic): "I was being sarcastic and meant no harm. I'm sorry if my behaviour offended or worried anyone, as that was not my intention. I'll label my sarcasm in the future."

Oh... as a todo for Patrick (if he has the time and inclination): I added the < and > symbols above by escaping them like "&lt;" but then when I hit the edit button to change my post, the escaped characters weren't escaped on edit text, so I had to re-escape them or otherwise they would effectively be discarded when submitted.

@SunnyvaleCA I'm not sure how to fix that.

When you type the escape sequence, it does get saved as such (three characters) in the database. But then when you go to edit it, the browser displays it as one character in the edit box. If you do a view source when on the edit page, you'll see that the html that was sent has the three characters.

How do I tell the brower "display this textarea content literally"?

Just add a round of html encoding of the text.

`<textarea>${htmlEncode(text)}</textarea>`

Its the right way to do it in any case, because you never want actual html tags in a textarea. Otherwise, you could break your markup if a user were to, say, include a closing textarea tag in the middle of a comment, as the browser will get confused where the real closing tag is. That cannot happen if html encoded, as no tag can ever appear.

Rin says

So Rickwicks, remember that idea you had about the OP communicating with a moderate Muslim friend of yours? Now, do you see that the OP is just another sandwich board carrying bible thumper who'll have absolutely nothing in common with anyone other than members of his denomination?

I'd just tell him not to talk about his religion.

What's funny, is people have more in common with one another than they are different, provided they merely talk about their thinking rather than whatever goofy group they decided to "belong to".

Patrick says

How do I tell the brower "display this textarea content literally"?

<pre>
anything
</pre>

Is SUPPOSED to work.

Hircus says

you never want actual html tags in a textarea

Thanks @HIrcus it's kind of late for me on that though. I've built it in to the site, in that there is a small subset of html tags you can use directly when composing or editing a post or comment:

a b blockquote br code del font hr i iframe img li ol p strike sub sup u ul video vsmall

So, the browser will translate html encoded characters into their corresponding non-encoded character. ie &lt; will become < and so on.

So, if your web server html response text is:

<textarea>&lt;foo&gt;</textarea>

then the following will be true

document.querySelector('textarea').value === '<foo>'

and the .value is what the browser will POST to your sever. In other words, it should work. And notice, there are no "html tags in your textarea" because the text in it is html encoded, so the 2 characters < and > never actually appear in the html, so the browser will never interpret any text in the textarea as an html tag.

Its an important concept for avoiding xss, and for program correctness. ALL text placed into an html document must be html encoded unless you want the browser to interpret it as html.

Hircus says

unless you want the browser to interpret it as html

But I do indeed want the browser to interpret certain tags within comments as html.

For example, when you quote someone, you see a bit of html in the comment box which creates a link back to the origin of the quote. That's really useful.

SunnyvaleCA says

Oh... as a todo for Patrick (if he has the time and inclination): I added the < and > symbols above by escaping them like "<" but then when I hit the edit button to change my post, the escaped characters weren't escaped on edit text, so I had to re-escape them or otherwise they would effectively be discarded when submitted.

@SunnyvaleCA I think I fixed that problem when editing a comment with the < and > symbols.

richwicks says

I didn't lose any sleep over it, and if I'm a cunt, explain how. I am willing to correct my thinking and behavior if you're correct in your reasoning and I am wrong.

It was sarcasm. Just was proving a point that it is words on a screen and it's nothing worth getting worked up about. You didn't get worked up. You helped prove my point.

WookieMan says

richwicks says

I didn't lose any sleep over it, and if I'm a cunt, explain how. I am willing to correct my thinking and behavior if you're correct in your reasoning and I am wrong.

It was sarcasm. Just was proving a point that it is words on a screen and it's nothing worth getting worked up about. You didn't get worked up. You helped prove my point.

The only time I'm insulted when somebody insults me, is if I suspect the person insulting me, might be right. Even then I don't get very upset, somebody just has to explain it to me, and there's a good chance I'll be flustered for a bit, but if I'm being a dickhead, I'll admit it after a bit.

Call me stupid, well, if you explain it to me, I'll admit it, but the bonus is, I'll stop being quite a stupid after that. But call me stupid and be unwilling (i.e. unable) to explain it, engh, I'll just think you're full of shit and angry at me for some reason. I think I stopped being fully human a few decades ago.

Patrick says

Hircus says

unless you want the browser to interpret it as html

But I do indeed want the browser to interpret certain tags within comments as html.

For example, when you quote someone, you see a bit of html in the comment box which creates a link back to the origin of the quote. That's really useful.

edit-

You need to treat the display of comments differently vs the display of the textarea. You do not want html in your textarea. You DO want html in your html (display of comments).

Just try encoding it like I showed, should only take 1 minute. You'll see it works exactly how it should. Note I only suggested encoding the text placed into textareas - nowhere else. And I only suggested doing the encoding of the text at the point where it's concatenated ino the html document - not before that point. Its a tiny change, and nothing is implied beyond what I showed (aside from the definition of htmlEncode() of course).

@Hircus OK, I did that yesterday. Now on the way out of the database, I encode the text before it is placed into the textarea.

And you're right, that works. You can now put in < and > and they will survive an edit.

It's kind of confusing though. If you look at the html you see that the reason it works is that the ampersand before an lt; gets encoded.

Here's the function I used:

@patrick

I think you're double encoding the text in some cases.

If I type a plain less than char like < into a text area and submit my post, then when I later edit that post, the site should work such that the browser should visually render the exact same character in the textarea. And, if I were to view the html source of the edit comment page and look at the text in the textarea, I should see an html entity for that character - in this case, I should see &lt; in the html source, because if it did then it would work properly, and the browser would render the expected < character visually in the textarea.

But your site is presenting &amp;lt; in the html source, which means it was double-encoded. The browser will not double-decode entities - it will only do a single round of decoding, leaving the user with seeing &lt; in the textarea instead of the desired < char.

Solution: dont double-encode any text.

fyi this issue happens with quotes too - when editing the comment, the textarea visually displays &quot; instead of " and &apos; instead of '

Rin says

One can't have it both ways ... talk about reality but then, have no basis in that alleged 'reality' for discussing psychic attacks or entity possessions which according to all the so-called natural sciences, can't occur without some electromagnetic tools in the middle toying with the brain.

Spiritual warfare is something that is clearly misunderstood by the person who makes threats to enact spiritual wars. When a person says they have no care for another persons soul they have indicated they have no care for their own soul, as every soul is precious and eternal and if one is not to be cared for, then none are of value, and that is a hopeless existence. A person like the attacker, who knows they live a hopeless existence will naturally gravitate towards personal attacks and all kinds of evil to lash out at anyone who questions their warped world view. It is the epitome of insecurity. And you are insecure because your eternal fate is in grave jeopardy.

PeopleUnited says

He legitimately became irate when I told him he has not been reincarnated

Maybe he took that as a threat to his existence?

WineHorror1 says

PeopleUnited says

He legitimately became irate when I told him he has not been reincarnated

Maybe he took that as a threat to his existence?

Actually, the OP means nothing to me, otherwise, I would have created my own thread, chastising his P.O.V. & wasting endless hours in debates.

He's just trying to get me to re-troll & I won't do that again, as Patrick expects from his longtime posterers.

PeopleUnited says

You are entitled to your opinion but Rin is not the type to bluff from my perspective. He legitimately became irate when I told him he has not been reincarnated and started making these threats. It not what I believe that matters here, it is what he believes. You don’t believe his plain words. But he has given every indication that he Does believe he can harness the demonic realm (he calls it psychic) to attack me or others. Just read his posts in the thread I linked in the OP.

I don’t believe he can harm anyone, but he does. Thus the threats he has made are sincere.

@Rin, @PeopleUnited

Either of you believe you can access magic?

Kill me, wait that won't do. Blind me, in one eye or have something horrible happen to me, something I can't deny, but indicate what you intend to do first, so it can be confirmed.

Patrick knows me. Announce what you intend to do, and do it to me. He can confirm it. Killing me won't do, I would just disappear and none of you would know it.

Do something horrible to me with this demonic or psychic nonsense. That should end this silliness. You have my full permission to do this. Showing up to my place with a lead pipe though, that's cheating, although none of you know where I live.

@richwicks not that it matters but I agree with you here 1000%. Getting worked up about WORDS is kinda stupid.

About topic of discussion, I can't understand if @Rin is trolling in which case I would be highly amused since it is very subtle trolling, or being serious in which case he is very wrong.

richwicks says

Do something horrible to me with this demonic or psychic nonsense.

Wouldn't a sorcerer need a lock of your hair first?

How can re- incarnation work? There’s 7 billion humans now up from a few million 1000 years ago. Where’d all the extra souls come from?

HeadSet says

richwicks says

Do something horrible to me with this demonic or psychic nonsense.

Wouldn't a sorcerer need a lock of your hair first?

Fine, give me an email address and I'll mail that wherever.

pudil says

Where’d all the extra souls come from?

bugs

Onvacation says

pudil says

Where’d all the extra souls come from?

bugs

Maybe that explains why I encounter so many people that behave like cockroaches.

Rin says

He's just trying to get me to re-troll & I won't do that again,

More lies. What I want is the truth. Do you really believe you lived a previous life with St Francis of Assisi?

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If you lied when you said you believe you have lived many lives, then why should we believe anything that you say?

He either lied or threatened. Take your pick.

PeopleUnited says

Are you going to allow this?

Rin says

Ah, so you're back touting a bunch of horseshit. Ok, that's fine. You've given me the right to launch psychic assaults against the 'core worth' of your existence. (Remember, I gave you an exit strategy & you didn't take it)

Just so you know, I don't care for your soul at all.

I think you need to find a safe space and go hide in it

Grow up, people.

He either lied repeatedly or threatened repeatedly.

RWSGFY says

Grow up, people.

I think we'd actually all get along, but this thread is pure retardation. So your comment is correct (quoted one). That's really what this about, or it's trolling.

If you want an actual threat I won't give it, but come on man, PeopleUnited you know he's trolling you and in the internet world I believe Rin is a decent dude. If a random on an online forum moves you that much, you might want to talk to someone about it. I personally do with a therapist. I can admit that.

No one is threatening you. And I get you have beliefs. He's just dicking with you and you're taking it personally.

I always use this analogy. If you (peopeunited) and Rin met in an airport, you'd almost certainly have a cordial conversation. Your judgement is yours, but sometimes it's okay to tap the brakes on feelings. Never shut down a relationship. Grow them. Add them. You will not find a person on the planet that agrees with you even 50% of the time.

richwicks says

Do something horrible to me with this demonic or psychic nonsense.

I remember the over hyping of hacking abilities long before Bill Gates actually had the back door access programmed into his OS.
I was using Windows 95 and even Windows 98, didn't have all of the Screen sharing, and remote desktop built in, at the time.
I remember challenging Chat Groups, and forums to hack my computer. I almost sounded like your challenge.
The truth is, with Windows 95 and 98 someone had to install an exploit on your computer to hack it, and gain access, or screen connect with you.
That's why I've always called those corporate hacks back then inside jobs.

WookieMan says

PeopleUnited you know he's trolling you

There is a difference between trolling and what he did. He either lied or he threatened. He either believes he has lived multiple lives or he is lying. He either believes he can do psychic bullshit or he is just a huckster. Truth is he got pissed when I told him he did not live multiple live so that is evidence he is insecure in his belief and lashed out with personal attacks.

WookieMan says

Rin is a decent dude.

Decent people don’t troll, threaten or lie.

Also decent people don’t promote whoremongering as a life style. But I only say that to refute your argument. He is not a decent guy. But there is hope. That is the point of this thread. There is hope he can see his error and change his mind.