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2022 Jul 11, 5:28pm   15,611 views  208 comments

by GreaterNYCDude   ➕follow (2)   💰tip   ignore  

I've been thinking about this off and on lately, and there's been some recent threads related to the topic, so I figure I'll set up a separate thread.

Until the 16th ammendment was passed in the early 1900's, we got by without fedetal income taxes. Tariffs did the trick. Of course, we were not yet the superpower we became, huge millitary and all, and there were not nearly the federally funded social programs we have today.

Frankly, I don't think your average American realizes how heavily they are taxed. Federal. State (with some excaptions) Property. School. Gas. Sales. Etc.

For most in the middle and upper middle class, federal income tax is the biggest share of taxes paid on a percentage basis.

In a modern captalist economy, it makes more sense to me to tax consumption rather than income.

So why not abolish the federal income tax, and instead have a federal tax on goods and services rendered. Better yet, couple it with a balanced budget amment so that the government can't spend money they don't have.

Taxing goods should be straightforward to implement. Buy a bag of rice, clothes, a house, a car, stock, etc. tax it at a nominal rate to raise sufficent revenue to keep the government running. Tax should apply to individuals and corporations alike. I have no idea what the rate would need to be to replace the lost income income revenue, but there must be a way for the been counters to figure that out.

Same holds for services. From your lawyer to your plumber to your accountant.. services rendered should also be taxed... possibly at a different rate than physical goods, since we are a "service based economy".

Just thinking out loud here.. In the 21st century there MUST be a better way to raise revenue than income tax and the various loopholes used to reduce or even avoid ones tax burden.

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110   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 Apr 9, 9:41am  

It hasn't though. They need people to man their side, and we have WAY more. They've already stated quite publicly that it's easier to kill than control million people today. If they could round up a million of us and exterminate us using military they would(see Gaza).

The only thing that's changed between now and back then, central banks have warped most people's minds to make us think fantasy is reality. It's not, they are losing, and if they try to take us militarily, they will be slaughtered.
111   PeopleUnited   2024 Apr 9, 10:05am  

NuttBoxer says

It's not, they are losing

I don’t see any front on which the globalists are losing. They are literally one or two moves from check mate. Get ready for the Antichrist people.
112   AD   2024 Apr 9, 11:07am  

NuttBoxer says


They need people to man their side,


You don't need a 2 million standing army (i..e, active duty , not reserve and national guard). You don't need that with the technology of war today. Look even what the Marines are saying about "FORCE MULTIPLIERS" (I figured I throw that lexicon in there for the Head Set crowd here, and that one Patnet poster who I think is a Naval Academy alum). The drones with sensors are what a lot of the Marine Corp is talking about.

Its about about the Pentagon wisely spending taxpayer dollars to ensure the adequate readiness level. I realize pensions and disability payments (comes from an unofficial "branch of the Pentagon" called Veteran Affairs) are a major factor as far as driving this.

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113   HeadSet   2024 Apr 9, 4:05pm  

NuttBoxer says

clambo says


the Dept. of Defense today is needed


Wasn't needed in the late 1700's when we handed the greatest Army in the world their asses.

With quite a spot of help from the French. I 1812 we could not stop the British from landing near Yorktown and marching around 100 miles to sack Washinton.
114   HeadSet   2024 Apr 9, 4:17pm  

AD says

that one Patnet poster who I think is a Naval Academy alum

We have a Canoe U poster here?
115   AD   2024 Apr 9, 6:19pm  

HeadSet says

AD says

that one Patnet poster who I think is a Naval Academy alum

We have a Canoe U poster here?


I think there is one as they identified themselves as a USNA alum. It was about 4 years ago at least when they did identify themselves.

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116   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 Apr 10, 8:54am  

AD says


You don't need a 2 million standing army (i..e, active duty , not reserve and national guard). You don't need that with the technology of war today.

I agree with the first part, kind of my whole point. But not with the second. We had better tech in Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos. How did that work out? We sent better tech to Ukraine, how are they doing? No one conquers a people without a ground invasion. Which is why they push so hard to disarm us, inject us with poison, etc.
So my question, if they don't believe their tech is enough, why should you?

AD says


Its about about the Pentagon wisely spending taxpayer dollars to ensure the adequate readiness level.


WAAHHH HAHAHAHAHA!!! You mean like when they announced 1.8 trillion missing on 9/10? Until you understand money laundering, NASA, and the significance of that press conference, you're just gonna continue to make hilarious statements like the above.
Let me go back to my time tested question. Tell me when government involvement has EVER made ANYTHING better?
117   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 Apr 10, 8:58am  

HeadSet says

With quite a spot of help from the French. I 1812 we could not stop the British from landing near Yorktown and marching around 100 miles to sack Washinton.


If we're putting qualifiers what about England's army being mostly mercenaries? What about a majority of Americans being Loyalists? Does it really matter? Whether England or the US had help, the outcome is still largest empire in the world lost to a volunteer army where the soldiers literally left during the war to harvest their crops.
118   AmericanKulak   2024 Apr 10, 10:11am  

Submarines, not Carriers, are the wave of the future.

Only submarines have the survivability and resilience. It's the ultimate asymetric response to raw-materials import dependent CHYna.

Dozens of shallow water optimized D/E boats with harpoons sending every Liberian tanker and bulk carrier loaded with MENA Oil and Aussie Iron to Davey Jones' Locker in the Java and South China sea. Better yet, the Indian Ocean where Chinese assets and bases are more limited and India may very well act if Chinese presence was to intensify.

The Chinese have spent two decades on Carrier busting missiles and conventional MIRV-like vehicles. POOF!
119   clambo   2024 Apr 10, 1:43pm  

I just used HR Block and did my 2023 1040 in an hour and a half.

My tax rate was pretty low.
Adjusted Gross Income=$103,712
Actual Tax Due=$9724

As you can see, this is not a bad rate at all. The secret is probably the large dividend distributions from my mutual funds are "qualified dividends".

I'm not actually spending my retirement accounts, taxable accounts and variable annuity; this is from a couple of bond funds, a balanced fund, and annual dividend distributions from other funds which do that every December (e.g. Vanguard Total Stock Market Fund, etc.)

I have an inherited IRA worth about $200K and I take about $10K out which is going up each year (RMD is based on my age).

I filed electronically so maybe if there's an error I will hear about it pretty soon.
Edit: My Medicare and drug benefit called Part D (deducted from my social security payments) were $4334 in 2023.
120   HeadSet   2024 Apr 10, 2:20pm  

clambo says

I have an inherited IRA worth about $200K and I take about $10K out which is going up each year (RMD is based on my age).

I though inherited IRAs had to be spent down in 10 years regardless of inheritor's age, whether Roth or Traditional, unless you got it from a spouse. Another exception for chronically ill, but I do not think that would apply to you.
121   clambo   2024 Apr 10, 4:21pm  

Headset, I believe the RMD rules that applied when I inherited in 2017 still apply.
Those who recently inherited an IRA will have different rules.

I think the new RMD rules suck; of course we all want to delay taking money out of an inherited IRA.
122   HeadSet   2024 Apr 10, 6:37pm  

clambo says

Headset, I believe the RMD rules that applied when I inherited in 2017 it still apply.

Correct, you are grandfathered if you inherited the IRA before 2020.
123   AD   2024 Apr 10, 10:49pm  

AmericanKulak says


Submarines, not Carriers, are the wave of the future.


Yes, I read now Lockheed's hypersonic missiles are being deployed on Navy ships this year. It looks like the Virginia Class submarine is fitted to deploy both the Tomahawk cruise missile and the hypersonic missile. I can see where the Virginia class can conduct land attack missions such as with the Lockheed hypersonic missiles.


124   AD   2024 Apr 10, 11:00pm  

NuttBoxer says


No one conquers a people without a ground invasion.


yes i agree, but you can ramp up over 1 year for a ground invasion such as train national guard and reserves and recruit a lot more

that is why you do not need a major standing army as you achieve or gain one by that 1 year period , hence this is a way to wisely spend money for national security and not put as much demand on tax dollars

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125   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 Apr 11, 6:57am  

National security is the guise they used to pass the Patriot Act. It's the excuse they made for jailing Manning, Assange, and Snowden(if they had caught him).

Standing armies/national defense/national security is only possible with a central bank. These efforts are all prohibitively expensive, and contrary to the concepts this country was founded on. Mainly our freedom. Look at everything done in the name of any of these, especially around OKC, Waco, Ruby Ridge, 9/11, and everything that's happened since then. I don't think you've stepped back to understand the reality of what they are doing versus the newspeak of what they claim.
126   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 Apr 11, 6:59am  

And similar to US war planes article that recently stated 70% aren't working, US drones sucks ass as well(re-think your paradigm):
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-drones-are-expensive-and-error-prone-so-ukraine-turns-china
135   GreaterNYCDude   2024 May 13, 7:40pm  

Federal (Effective Rate): 13.5%
State (Effective Rate): 5.7%
Social Security: 6.2%
Medicare: 1.5%
Property Taxes: 5.6%
= 32.5% off the top

Plus
Sales Tax: 8%

Plus "hidden" taxes, fees surcharges, etc.

40% of our house hold income goes back to the government.
136   GreaterNYCDude   2024 May 13, 7:40pm  

40% of our house hold income goes back to the government.


139   RWSGFY   2024 May 21, 3:26pm  

Patrick says






You can move out.
140   rocketjoe79   2024 May 22, 10:22am  

So If I go to, say, Portugal, won't my Social Security Income still be taxed before I receive my check?
141   clambo   2024 May 22, 12:15pm  

US Citizens and legal residents must file a 1040 regardless of where they reside.
Simply moving doesn't save Federal taxes, just state taxes.
142   WookieMan   2024 May 22, 1:50pm  

clambo says

US Citizens and legal residents must file a 1040 regardless of where they reside.
Simply moving doesn't save Federal taxes, just state taxes.

False if you become a citizen of the country you move to. Most want your money and bam, you're a citizen at that point. Either way this is why Puerto Rico and the USVI is a good move as territories. Nothing you need to do and tax advantaged. Hurricanes suck, but the Caribbean is one of the best places on the planet. That's where my snow bird condo will be and I can erase taxes.
143   RWSGFY   2024 May 22, 3:03pm  

rocketjoe79 says

So If I go to, say, Portugal, won't my Social Security Income still be taxed before I receive my check?


If you stay a US citizen, than yes. And if you renounce your citizenship then no SS check will be coming your way, per my understanding.
144   RWSGFY   2024 May 22, 3:05pm  

WookieMan says

clambo says


US Citizens and legal residents must file a 1040 regardless of where they reside.
Simply moving doesn't save Federal taxes, just state taxes.

False if you become a citizen of the country you move to. Most want your money and bam, you're a citizen at that point. Either way this is why Puerto Rico and the USVI is a good move as territories. Nothing you need to do and tax advantaged. Hurricanes suck, but the Caribbean is one of the best places on the planet. That's where my snow bird condo will be and I can erase taxes.


Make it a snow bird bunker and hurricanes won't be an issue.
145   Eric Holder   2024 May 22, 4:47pm  

RWSGFY says

rocketjoe79 says


So If I go to, say, Portugal, won't my Social Security Income still be taxed before I receive my check?


If you stay a US citizen, than yes. And if you renounce your citizenship then no SS check will be coming your way, per my understanding.


No check - no taxes! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
146   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 May 23, 6:44am  

Moving isn't necessary, renouncing citizenship is. Although even that seems questionable as they just arrested Crypto Jesus despite him living in Spain, and no longer being a US citizen.
147   RWSGFY   2024 May 23, 9:01am  

NuttBoxer says

Moving isn't necessary, renouncing citizenship is. Although even that seems questionable as they just arrested Crypto Jesus despite him living in Spain, and no longer being a US citizen.


He moved to Spain for lower taxes?
149   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 May 23, 8:30pm  

RWSGFY says

NuttBoxer says


Moving isn't necessary, renouncing citizenship is. Although even that seems questionable as they just arrested Crypto Jesus despite him living in Spain, and no longer being a US citizen.


He moved to Spain for lower taxes?


No idea.

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