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2022 Jul 11, 5:28pm   19,228 views  279 comments

by GreaterNYCDude   ➕follow (2)   💰tip   ignore  

I've been thinking about this off and on lately, and there's been some recent threads related to the topic, so I figure I'll set up a separate thread.

Until the 16th ammendment was passed in the early 1900's, we got by without fedetal income taxes. Tariffs did the trick. Of course, we were not yet the superpower we became, huge millitary and all, and there were not nearly the federally funded social programs we have today.

Frankly, I don't think your average American realizes how heavily they are taxed. Federal. State (with some excaptions) Property. School. Gas. Sales. Etc.

For most in the middle and upper middle class, federal income tax is the biggest share of taxes paid on a percentage basis.

In a modern captalist economy, it makes more sense to me to tax consumption rather than income.

So why not abolish the federal income tax, and instead have a federal tax on goods and services rendered. Better yet, couple it with a balanced budget amment so that the government can't spend money they don't have.

Taxing goods should be straightforward to implement. Buy a bag of rice, clothes, a house, a car, stock, etc. tax it at a nominal rate to raise sufficent revenue to keep the government running. Tax should apply to individuals and corporations alike. I have no idea what the rate would need to be to replace the lost income income revenue, but there must be a way for the been counters to figure that out.

Same holds for services. From your lawyer to your plumber to your accountant.. services rendered should also be taxed... possibly at a different rate than physical goods, since we are a "service based economy".

Just thinking out loud here.. In the 21st century there MUST be a better way to raise revenue than income tax and the various loopholes used to reduce or even avoid ones tax burden.

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245   WookieMan   2025 Feb 15, 11:21am  

The_Deplorable says





I'm irate to be honest about it. My tax nut for 2025 will be easily $120k between Federal, State, and Property. I know people don't like my swearing, but what in the flying fuck am I getting out of it???

That's not even including taxes on utilities, water/sewer bills, trash, etc. Local/state government skims off all that as well. Then sales tax.

When a family making almost $400k in a low cost of living area is bitching, things aren't right. And yes we travel more than others (not a brag) but we don't pay for flights and still do it frugally. My solo trips I stay at friends houses and we each pick a night to make a meal and do a grocery shop where we each pay for it separately. I can do a week in Montana for $400 and and get 2 lift tickets.

Temped to get back in to RE soon. Probably commercial/storage/shipping type places for small business. I can't stand people and that's easier to deal with. Not like my toilet is clogged because of my 4 year old I didn't watch. Get some equity in 10 years and just borrow tax free against it. I can work with 10 people/tenants, but get me above that they can all fall off a cliff.
246   Misc   2025 Feb 15, 12:08pm  

WookieMan says


I'm irate to be honest about it. My tax nut for 2025 will be easily $120k between Federal, State, and Property. I know people don't like my swearing, but what in the flying fuck am I getting out of it???


You're not paying nearly enough. After all, there are reparations to be met. And no, taking care of your nephew doesn't count. Reparations are for the sins of your forefathers. Dig deeper.
247   WookieMan   2025 Feb 15, 12:29pm  

Misc says

You're not paying nearly enough. After all, there are reparations to be met.

Fuck you! Total joke fyi and I get yours.

I get we need a military. I'm fine with that. State wise we need roads so I get that. What else is our federal government doing for us? Places like CA need water, but there's an endangered cricket or something. Let the cricket figure it out.

National Parks are generally funded by themselves. Forestland doesn't need much money. I guess ports for shipping? Border? Oh wait, WE SEND FUCKING BILLIONS TO UKRAINE.

We need to stop worrying about people that can't do shit to us. Just let them go. Have their WWIII and if they poke the bear (the US) they die.
249   AD   2025 Feb 15, 7:07pm  

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says






The curve is skewed right so what is the optimum median or overall tax rate ? 18% ?

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250   MolotovCocktail   2025 Feb 15, 7:34pm  

AD says

The curve is skewed right so what is the optimum median or overall tax rate ? 18% ?


It depends on the society and the situation.

For example, during war time the populace generally support higher taxes. I am talking US Civil War, WW1 & WW2 or Ukraine war time( for the Ruskies and Ukeys, not us), not Vietnam or Iraq or Afghanistan war time.
251   AD   2025 Feb 15, 8:29pm  

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says

AD says

The curve is skewed right so what is the optimum median or overall tax rate ? 18% ?

It depends on the society and the situation.

For example, during war time the populace generally support higher taxes. I am talking US Civil War, WW1 & WW2 or Ukraine war time( for the Ruskies and Ukeys, not us), not Vietnam or Iraq or Afghanistan war time.


What is your estimate as far as what the optimum median tax rate should be now ?

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261   WookieMan   2025 Apr 5, 8:40pm  

The_Deplorable says





You'd have to be making over $1M to pay 1/3 at least federally. Overall with state and other taxes sure you could hit that number but federally you'd need well over $1M to hit 33%.

Also people with that money pay long term capital gains or borrow against their wealth tax free. So it's 0-15% generally. Near retirement age if not working borrow against your money and pay yourself tax free and convert to a roth or stock with no W-2 income after 59-1/2 or earlier if you have cash on hand to live.
262   The_Deplorable   2025 Apr 6, 10:53am  

WookieMan says

"You'd have to be making over $1M to pay 1/3 at least federally."

Ok... make it 1/4. Does it change anything? No! And the end
result is the same. The Globalist Nazis and their network of child rapists are stealing our
taxes from the government and the government goes on printing money out of thin air.
264   Patrick   2025 Apr 9, 11:10pm  

MolotovCocktail says







There should be no income tax or sales tax at all. We could fund everything with tariffs and a land-value tax.
265   clambo   2025 Apr 10, 12:47pm  

Don't forget to tax churches, especially fake ones like Joel Osteen.
266   WookieMan   2025 Apr 10, 2:19pm  

clambo says

Don't forget to tax churches, especially fake ones like Joel Osteen.

Agree, but good luck with separation of church and state. I think all churches should be paying property and income taxes. Unless you're legit poor as a corp or church, you pay taxes.

Hell a church like Joel's on TV gets massive ad revenue. That's Sunday morning TV for a lot of people as far as viewership. None of that is taxed on the corporate end for ads as an expense. Religion is a racket
267   stereotomy   2025 Apr 10, 4:09pm  

WookieMan says

clambo says


Don't forget to tax churches, especially fake ones like Joel Osteen.

Agree, but good luck with separation of church and state. I think all churches should be paying property and income taxes. Unless you're legit poor as a corp or church, you pay taxes.

Hell a church like Joel's on TV gets massive ad revenue. That's Sunday morning TV for a lot of people as far as viewership. None of that is taxed on the corporate end for ads as an expense. Religion is a racket

Now that most churches (Protestant, Muslim, Roman Catholicism) have put both feet into the pool of overthrowing the rule of law, I consider them all fair game. Muslims want to overthrow the government to install the Caliphate, while the Christian churches want globohomo.

Fuck them all. Maybe the Amish or the Mennonites are the only real religions left.

I left out Judaism and Eastern Orthodox because there are massive schisms appearing in both of these faiths, so it's too hard to call - they might pull it out.
268   WookieMan   2025 Apr 11, 5:54am  

stereotomy says

Fuck them all. Maybe the Amish or the Mennonites are the only real religions left.

I'd agree with this. They rely on each other, not the government. It's not a lifestyle I'd live but I respect it more than other religions or beliefs. Any religion that gets tax free gains is a pile of shit in my world. Sorry.
269   clambo   2025 Apr 11, 6:48am  

My grandmother would say when were being rambunctious:
"Quaker meeting has begun, no more laughing, no more fun."

There are still some Quaker dudes out there. The private school popular with presidents' daughters is a Quaker school.
270   GreaterNYCDude   2025 Apr 11, 7:38am  

Last year's breakdown of taxes paid

Federal (Effective Rate): 13.5%
State (Effective Rate): 5.7%
Social Security: 6.2%
Medicare: 1.5%
Property Taxes: 5.6%
= 32.5% off the top

Plus
Sales Tax: 8%

Plus "hidden" taxes, fees surcharges, etc.

> 40% of our house hold income goes back to the government. And > 25% comes off the top as top line payroll deductions. And I'm not pulling in $1M per year. Not even close.
271   Misc   2025 Apr 11, 8:20am  

GreaterNYCDude says

> 40% of our house hold income goes back to the government. And > 25% comes off the top as top line payroll deductions. And I'm not pulling in $1M per year. Not even close.


You've gotta dig deeper. That's only for this years taxes. ---- You still owe major bucks for Reparations.
272   clambo   2025 Apr 11, 8:24am  

This year I paid about 11% Federal Tax.

I paid no state income tax (Florida).

Medicare premiums were 2935 + 154 prescription drug (part D). These are automatically deducted from Social Security.
273   WookieMan   2025 Apr 11, 6:10pm  

GreaterNYCDude says

Federal (Effective Rate): 13.5%

21.6% on my end. State is flat around 4.75% I believe. Registration for cars and trailers is about $600/yr. Max out SS, so whatever that is. IL has big property taxes though and we're low for now and about to go up massively.

I'm easily at around 50% everything included. Though not sales tax. Probably 55%.
274   ForcedTQ   2025 Apr 11, 6:28pm  

clambo says


This year I paid about 11% Federal Tax.

I paid no state income tax (Florida).

Medicare premiums were 2935 + 154 prescription drug (part D). These are automatically deducted from Social Security.

Medicare premiums are $2,935/month? That’s outrageous! Or is that total annual?
275   clambo   2025 Apr 11, 7:10pm  

2935 + 154 was the total for the year 2024; it's from the SSA-1099.

Although the IRS knows what you were paid by Social Security, they still send you a 1099 and you still enter it on your 1040.

My effective tax rate is pretty good, probably because of qualified dividends.
276   Ceffer   2025 Apr 11, 7:43pm  

Didn't get along with the Dominicans in Puerto Rico, or maybe they threatened her with the Inquisition if she didn't toe the line?

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