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I'm irate to be honest about it. My tax nut for 2025 will be easily $120k between Federal, State, and Property. I know people don't like my swearing, but what in the flying fuck am I getting out of it???
You're not paying nearly enough. After all, there are reparations to be met.
The curve is skewed right so what is the optimum median or overall tax rate ? 18% ?
AD says
The curve is skewed right so what is the optimum median or overall tax rate ? 18% ?
It depends on the society and the situation.
For example, during war time the populace generally support higher taxes. I am talking US Civil War, WW1 & WW2 or Ukraine war time( for the Ruskies and Ukeys, not us), not Vietnam or Iraq or Afghanistan war time.
"You'd have to be making over $1M to pay 1/3 at least federally."
Don't forget to tax churches, especially fake ones like Joel Osteen.
clambo says
Don't forget to tax churches, especially fake ones like Joel Osteen.
Agree, but good luck with separation of church and state. I think all churches should be paying property and income taxes. Unless you're legit poor as a corp or church, you pay taxes.
Hell a church like Joel's on TV gets massive ad revenue. That's Sunday morning TV for a lot of people as far as viewership. None of that is taxed on the corporate end for ads as an expense. Religion is a racket
Fuck them all. Maybe the Amish or the Mennonites are the only real religions left.
> 40% of our house hold income goes back to the government. And > 25% comes off the top as top line payroll deductions. And I'm not pulling in $1M per year. Not even close.
Federal (Effective Rate): 13.5%
This year I paid about 11% Federal Tax.
I paid no state income tax (Florida).
Medicare premiums were 2935 + 154 prescription drug (part D). These are automatically deducted from Social Security.
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Until the 16th ammendment was passed in the early 1900's, we got by without fedetal income taxes. Tariffs did the trick. Of course, we were not yet the superpower we became, huge millitary and all, and there were not nearly the federally funded social programs we have today.
Frankly, I don't think your average American realizes how heavily they are taxed. Federal. State (with some excaptions) Property. School. Gas. Sales. Etc.
For most in the middle and upper middle class, federal income tax is the biggest share of taxes paid on a percentage basis.
In a modern captalist economy, it makes more sense to me to tax consumption rather than income.
So why not abolish the federal income tax, and instead have a federal tax on goods and services rendered. Better yet, couple it with a balanced budget amment so that the government can't spend money they don't have.
Taxing goods should be straightforward to implement. Buy a bag of rice, clothes, a house, a car, stock, etc. tax it at a nominal rate to raise sufficent revenue to keep the government running. Tax should apply to individuals and corporations alike. I have no idea what the rate would need to be to replace the lost income income revenue, but there must be a way for the been counters to figure that out.
Same holds for services. From your lawyer to your plumber to your accountant.. services rendered should also be taxed... possibly at a different rate than physical goods, since we are a "service based economy".
Just thinking out loud here.. In the 21st century there MUST be a better way to raise revenue than income tax and the various loopholes used to reduce or even avoid ones tax burden.