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2022 Jul 11, 5:28pm   25,866 views  317 comments

by GreaterNYCDude   follow (2)  

I've been thinking about this off and on lately, and there's been some recent threads related to the topic, so I figure I'll set up a separate thread.

Until the 16th ammendment was passed in the early 1900's, we got by without fedetal income taxes. Tariffs did the trick. Of course, we were not yet the superpower we became, huge millitary and all, and there were not nearly the federally funded social programs we have today.

Frankly, I don't think your average American realizes how heavily they are taxed. Federal. State (with some excaptions) Property. School. Gas. Sales. Etc.

For most in the middle and upper middle class, federal income tax is the biggest share of taxes paid on a percentage basis.

In a modern captalist economy, it makes more sense to me to tax consumption rather than income.

So why not abolish the federal income tax, and instead have a federal tax on goods and services rendered. Better yet, couple it with a balanced budget amment so that the government can't spend money they don't have.

Taxing goods should be straightforward to implement. Buy a bag of rice, clothes, a house, a car, stock, etc. tax it at a nominal rate to raise sufficent revenue to keep the government running. Tax should apply to individuals and corporations alike. I have no idea what the rate would need to be to replace the lost income income revenue, but there must be a way for the been counters to figure that out.

Same holds for services. From your lawyer to your plumber to your accountant.. services rendered should also be taxed... possibly at a different rate than physical goods, since we are a "service based economy".

Just thinking out loud here.. In the 21st century there MUST be a better way to raise revenue than income tax and the various loopholes used to reduce or even avoid ones tax burden.

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291   Misc   2025 May 19, 8:14pm  

It takes 7 years before welfare benefits are taken from illegals.

I say let's reverse that and say they have to be paying taxes for 10 years before they see a dime of welfare.

I know....But....but...but the children.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/personalfinance/thousands-of-immigrants-will-lose-their-ssi-in-may/ar-AA1F5In1
292   clambo   2025 May 20, 7:43am  

My female Mexican friend asked me why I departed California for Florida; I said I didn't want to pay taxes in California to pay for illegal Mexican children's pampers and formula.

At Home Depot I saw those orange buckets for sale, with a diagram on the side of a baby falling into it.

"Look Patty, Mexican baby traps!"

"Why are they Mexican baby traps??????"

"What else do you see around?"
293   zzyzzx   2025 May 20, 9:12am  

RWSGFY says

As it stands now no tax cuts are anywhere to be seen. All they plan is to extend the ones that are sunsetting this year


I will call it a major win if they extend the existing tax cuts and exempt Social Security. It's nonsense to think that taxes can be cut in a meaningful way when a national debt of 36.5T.
294   AD   2025 May 20, 10:39am  

The Left and Chamber of Commerce keep saying we need more workers and that is main reason we import 3rd world families.

So if this is a demographics solution which will benefit the economy in the intermediate and long terms, then they have to figure out how to financially sustain this like raise taxes slightly and make a few fiscal reforms over at least 4 years, and then make adjustments afterward.
297   clambo   2025 Jun 20, 11:21am  

Property taxes pay the rich salaries and pensions of firemen; why do you need them if you have fire insurance?
Property taxes also pay the teachers; do you have children in school?
Property taxes pay for the police; OK, these are useful.
Property taxes pay the wages and rich pensions of county and city workers; boy there are sure a lot of them.
298   Patrick   2025 Jun 22, 8:59pm  

I think land is the only appropriate object of taxation because no one created it, so it does not discourage creation of new land.

The land value tax rate should be set by the market, not the government. Whoever agrees to pay the highest land value tax should get to own the land the next time it is sold. The elderly should be able to defer the land value tax until they die and the land gets sold, then the accumulated tax should be taken from the proceeds.

There should be no tax at all on the house or any improvements. Productive work should never be taxed.

Taxing sales discourages commerce, so that's bad. Taxing income discourages work, so that's also bad.
299   HeadSet   2025 Jun 23, 1:43pm  

Patrick says

Whoever agrees to pay the highest land value tax should get to own the land the next time it is sold.

This sounds like the government owns all land, auctions off leaseholds, then reclaims the land when the leaseholder ends the lease, only to then auction the leasehold again. The country becomes one massive trailer park owned by government.

What happens when I get a leasehold on vacant land and build an expensive building on it? When I decide to sell, will I have an issue where I will get very little for my building because the buyers decide to compete by bidding only on land tax?
305   RC2006   2025 Aug 19, 11:49am  

Patrick says






Matches perfectly to where most of the third world parasites infestation are.
309   clambo   2025 Aug 27, 5:52pm  

If they're not going to tax social security, they then can't continue to make COLA raises to social security payments.
310   HeadSet   2025 Aug 27, 6:14pm  

clambo says

If they're not going to tax social security, they then can't continue to make COLA raises to social security payments.

Oh yeah? Watch.
311   Patrick   2025 Aug 27, 7:01pm  

RC2006 says

Matches perfectly to where most of the third world parasites infestation are.


Good point.

Where there is no public money to support the invaders, there are no invaders.
315   HeadSet   2025 Oct 20, 7:22pm  

The_Deplorable says





True, even when government funds through borrowing there is the tax on future generations plus the inflation tax on folks today.

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