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However if the dollar collapses, I am not sure silver and gold will be valued as people will only want to trade in food, water, medical supplies, shelter, gasoline, and bullets.

And Tobacco! @patrick, this video reminded me of your grow operation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2vObnwMWho

He doesn't use it himself apparently but grows it because he can barter with it if SHTF.

Pretty sure it's illegal to use tobacco for barter, but then if SHTF the ATF is not going to be in business either.

The Germans used cigarettes as currency for a few years after WWII, because reichsmarks became worthless.

Patrick says

Pretty sure it's illegal to use tobacco for barter

You may have a different opinion after they put you in prison.

CCCP_trollbot says

Lol, from 1900?? Who da f cares what happened between 1900 and 2000?

Or don't. I don't care. There's certain people I only tell once. I led you to water in this regard. Bye

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However if the dollar collapses, I am not sure silver and gold will be valued as people will only want to trade in food, water, medical supplies, shelter, gasoline, and bullets.

I already have all that stuff, so I'll take it for sure. I'm past survival, already thinking about how to thrive in the new economy.

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However if the dollar collapses,

When the dollar collapses, it’s almost certain it is because the government collapsed. I don’t see a scenario where we create Weimar Republic style hyperventilation. Most of our debt is owed to Americans not foreigners. There is no reason to hyperinflate, so the concern is basically ludicrous. Now on the other hand it does seem we are on the brink of government collapse due to years of corruption, lies and weakness.

CCCP_trollbot says

Just what are you guys smoking. This is the strongest economy in the world. Do you think europe or China is doing better than us?

China is doing better than the United States, even Russia is.

What does the US produce? If an alien species sucked up this entire nation and threw it into the sun, what would the world lose? What does the US make the world needs? War? What? Need a better iPhone or something? Another useless update to Windows which is now a subscription service?

I don't know why Americans think the United States is even useful in the world.

The metrics for a "good economy" that the US defines, the United States defines, is GDP, which is just monetary churn. If a drone plane cost a billion dollars to make and sell, that's better than an ENTIRELY EQUIVALENT drone made in China for $100.

GDP is just another form of propaganda. It's not an actual measurement.

CCCP_trollbot says

I’d give you some credibility Richwicks if you would immigrate to China or Russia.

I might immigrate to Russia. The language is hard, but it's doable. Mandarin, that's very difficult. There's barriers to leaving.

CCCP_trollbot says

But no, you pay your taxes here and complain about how horrible the US is.

If I move to another nation I give up my ability to try to change the nation, since I moved to it. Don't you realize this?

CCCP_trollbot says

If it were so bad in the US you would have left, but no, you will stay here until your last breath (and bitch and complain).

Oh no, it's bad in the US certainly. I'm just tired of people thinking it can't be improved and settle for a senile old fuck with a crackhead son using his own kid to accept bribes, and you thinking this is the "best nation in the world". HAHAHA. You'll defend whatever these mother fuckers do, sell your kids and grandkids into slavery and thinking "we're the leader of the free world".

Ugh, the propaganda techniques of the USSR and NAZI Germany, it's hilarious it works on you so easily. You aren't human. I have held onto the idea that you could be educated, you're only useful to be exploited. I completely understand the contempt of a career criminal like Biden to take advantage of you. I understand their disgust.

CCCP_trollbot says

“I might immigrate to Russia.”

Dude, you are sooo full of shite. There is no fucking way in hell you do that. I am willing to bet on it. How much?

My cousin abandoned this country for Argentina, another for Canada although she didn't realize she was jumping from the pan into the fire. My grandfather abandoned Poland.

I kind of want to stay here to see this place burn. I'm in Silicon Valley, I'm starting to see the shit show now, been going on for months. 5 hotels have been built within walking distance from me, they are all empty.

I know people that have abandoned the United States for UKRAINE. I hope he's alive, seriously, I've not heard from him in years. I warned him the US overthrew that country and was trying to provoke a war with Russia - he thought I was crazy. What can you do?

I regard this country as reformable still, perhaps that's my delusion.



"We're the leaders of the free world", right? Who else in the entire world has such a scumbag as a kid? Apple doesn't fall that far from the tree after all. HAHA.

I just have to laugh as Americans take it up the ass, and choke down the cock. We obviously didn't elect this asshole. We have 24/7 propaganda, that maybe 40% of the population believes. It really is hilarious, IF you can appreciate clown world. I go in and out of it. It's funny, and then it's despair. What I can see, anybody can see, but only a minority bother to see it.

@CCCP_trollbot The rule here is that you cannot personally insult the other users.

Please stick to the point, and leave the person alone.

If you don't like someone, just don't engage, or better yet, put him on ignore.

Patrick says

CCCP_trollbot The rule here is that you cannot personally insult the other users.

Please stick to the point, and leave the person alone.

If you don't like someone, just don't engage, or better yet, put him on ignore.

I think you are incorrect here. I don't see where he's personally insulted me. I think you've made an error.

"If it were so bad in the US you would have left, but no, you will stay here until your last breath (and bitch and complain)."

That's definitely a personal insult, not about anything but the person.

PeopleUnited says

Most of our debt is owed to Americans not foreigners. There is no reason to hyperinflate, so the concern is basically ludicrous.

Yeah from what I've read such as on Statista about 22% of total US federal debt is owned by foreigners.

Its all about debt service and solvency. How much can it be sustained in regards to tax receipts and expenditures, or cash flow.

If debt service is problematic then I think they'll raises taxes. They also may cut back on Social Security payments for those in the upper tax brackets.

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richwicks says

The metrics for a "good economy" that the US defines, the United States defines, is GDP, which is just monetary churn. If a drone plane cost a billion dollars to make and sell, that's better than an ENTIRELY EQUIVALENT drone made in China for $100.

GDP is just another form of propaganda. It's not an actual measurement.

Very true as RFK stated this when he was running for President. GDP is just one way to examine debt such as debt to GDP ratio. A better way is debt payment as a percentage of total federal budget.

Also GDP is helpful as far as tracking defense spending:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/217581/outlays-for-defense-and-forecast-in-the-us-as-a-percentage-of-the-gdp/

But I like to examine quality of life or standard of living metrics as far as measuring the socieoeconomic progress. Percentage that own a home, percentage that are college educated, average life span, household debt versus annual income, household savings rate, median household savings, crime rate, number of libraries and museums, etc
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richwicks says

My cousin abandoned this country for Argentina,

Argentina has been in economic doldrums for at least 20 years

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richwicks says

My cousin abandoned this country for Argentina,

Argentina has been in economic doldrums for at least 20 years

Yes, I know. It's advantageous to go to 3rd world nations when when you have a 1st world income. He's basically retired.

Patrick says

Pretty sure it's illegal to use tobacco for barter, but then if SHTF the ATF is not going to be in business either.

I'm going to add some seeds to my SHTF stash. Also grow some for fun; seeing yours motivated me.

Well, now that WWIII can break out along two separate fronts, I guess gold is getting some more love.

It's a safe haven, will always go up in a crises. And those just seem to be increasing daily.

^^^
True that - gold bouncing between 1920-1950.

I think I can, I think I can . . . Choo Choo!

Gold buying by central banks is 800 tons for the year.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/central-bank-gold-binge-even-060000811.html

NuttBoxer says

Gold buying by central banks is 800 tons for the year.

Cool! Looks like they are transitioning to a gold back currency!

With what did they buy this gold with?

Oh, the paper currency they issued.

That would be an anathema to the institution of central banking. More likely their hedging their bets if the digital slave currency doesn't take right away, as another means to force it's adoption. Back it with gold, then pull the rug out. Also possible they're so arrogant they think that will help them weather the storm of a collapse. It won't...

Still buying, highest purchase rate is in Q3 of this year. Regardless of their reasons, one more indicator the economy is headed for a bad place:

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/central-bank-gold-buying-continued-unabated-september

HeadSet says

NuttBoxer says

Gold buying by central banks is 800 tons for the year.

Cool! Looks like they are transitioning to a gold back currency!

That's not the case in the slightest. The central banks are privately owned conglomerates that are also the biggest con artists in history. They know what is coming; a collapse of fiat currencies, so they are converting their soon to be worthless paper into hard assets, such as gold.

RayAmerica says

they are converting their soon to be worthless paper into hard assets, such as gold.

collapse of paper is collapse of society and the same powers-to-be do not want a collapse of society

they may let society's poor and working class suffer some, such as with inflation, but they want to maintain control even with society's standard of living degrading closer to 3rd world conditions

gold and silver are a good hedge as far as devaluation of currency unless there are competitors like crypto ... I think a lot of money that would have gone to precious metals have gone to established crypto coins like bitcon ...

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RayAmerica says

HeadSet says

NuttBoxer says

Gold buying by central banks is 800 tons for the year.

Cool! Looks like they are transitioning to a gold back currency!

That's not the case in the slightest. The central banks are privately owned conglomerates that are also the biggest con artists in history. They know what is coming; a collapse of fiat currencies, so they are converting their soon to be worthless paper into hard assets, such as gold.

That quip "Cool! Looks like they are transitioning to a gold back currency!" was a joke, The last thing a central bank wants is an asset backed currency, as that would strip the central bank of its power.

Ahh, the subtleties of online speech..

Can't believe Gold hasn't gone way higher.

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.. I think a lot of money that would have gone to precious metals have gone to established crypto coins like bitcon ...

Agreed! But they're not making any more bitcoin. Gold and silver can just be dug out of the ground.

Off to the races . .

Holy shit!

Someone(s) are thinking the printing presses are soon to be fired up again.

December's usually pretty dead for serious movement. Stocks do well so CEO's can get their bonus's early next year.

Those central bankers won't stop hedging...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/summer-central-bank-gold-buying-extends-fall

Chinese know what American's will learn the hard way. Never trust your governments paper currency...
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Markets/Commodities/Chinese-pay-premium-prices-for-gold-as-economic-outlook-dims

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1 kilo of gold is worth about $66,000



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Texas latest state moving back to real money:

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/texas-gop-moves-support-gold