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Patrick says

About 5.5 acres per person.

That is to feed only, with a hand to mouth existence. Now consider water. Also consider resources needed to generate electricity and fuel for a non-3rd world existence. Materials for houses and cars. Just because you have elbow room does not make it work.

Patrick says

richwicks says

Yes you could stuff that number of people into it, however, you'd not be able to feed them.

https://permaculturism.com/how-much-land-does-it-take-to-feed-one-person/

About 5.5 acres per person.

So how many acres of usable land are there in the world?

Be careful, this site is Veg friendly and is exaggerating the benefits of Veg or primarily Veg diets. Truth is in temperate climes it's difficult to have a nutritious diet on Veg only. Raw Calories don't tell the whole story. Complete Proteins (not partial) and Fats are very hard to get from vegetarian in a non-tropical, non-Med climate with no imports of avocadoes, Olives, etc.

AmericanKulak says

Be careful, this site is Veg friendly and is exaggerating the benefits of Veg or primarily Veg diets. Truth is in temperate climes it's difficult to have a nutritious diet on Veg only. Raw Calories don't tell the whole story. Complete Proteins (not partial) and Fats are very hard to get from vegetarian in a non-tropical, non-Med climate with no imports of avocadoes, Olives, etc.

You cannot, be a vegan. Vegetarian, yeah, it's actually quite easy as you can eat eggs and dairy.

There really is no such thing as a vegan. It's impossible for a human being to live without some animal byproducts. There's never been a society that existed that was "vegan", but there's plenty of vegetarian ones.

richwicks says

AmericanKulak says

Be careful, this site is Veg friendly and is exaggerating the benefits of Veg or primarily Veg diets. Truth is in temperate climes it's difficult to have a nutritious diet on Veg only. Raw Calories don't tell the whole story. Complete Proteins (not partial) and Fats are very hard to get from vegetarian in a non-tropical, non-Med climate with no imports of avocadoes, Olives, etc.

You cannot, be a vegan. Vegetarian, yeah, it's actually quite easy as you can eat eggs and dairy.

There really is no such thing as a vegan. It's impossible for a human being to live without some animal byproducts. There's never been a society that existed that was "vegan", but there's plenty of vegetarian ones.

And the most vegetarian, South India, has the highest heart disease. The healthiest populations eat fish and pickled, salted veggies with little bread or pasta.

AmericanKulak says

And the most vegetarian, South India, has the highest heart disease. The healthiest populations eat fish and pickled, salted veggies with little bread or pasta.

I was vegetarian for basically 1/2 my life. I don't think it's particularly more healthy, but you do have to eat a lot more food to function.

I still don't tend to eat meat very often, although I'm making a chicken casserole right now.

https://amandascookin.com/million-dollar-chicken-casserole/

Never had it, but I'm curious how it will turn out. I'm omitting the crackers and butter - that seems a bit over the top given the ingredients.

AmericanKulak says

Patrick says

richwicks says

Yes you could stuff that number of people into it, however, you'd not be able to feed them.

https://permaculturism.com/how-much-land-does-it-take-to-feed-one-person/

About 5.5 acres per person.

So how many acres of usable land are there in the world?

Be careful, this site is Veg friendly and is exaggerating the benefits of Veg or primarily Veg diets. Truth is in temperate climes it's difficult to have a nutritious diet on Veg only. Raw Calories don't tell the whole story. Complete Proteins (not partial) and Fats are very hard to get from vegetarian in a non-tropical, non-Med climate with no imports of avocadoes, Olives, etc.

Ah, that 5.5 acres per person is indeed bullshit.

https://www.fao.org/sustainability/news/detail/en/c/1274219/

Globally agricultural land area is approximately five billion hectares

5 * 2.4 acres per hectare = 10.4 billion acres / 8 billion people = 1.3 acres per person

So each person does not require all that much land. I knew a family in the midwest whose front lawn was an acre.

One acre:

https://palexander.substack.com/p/too-late-merkel-flooded-europe-and

Too late, Merkel flooded Europe & set upon you your own funeral pyres, you Europe & Denmark are flooded by the wolf, raping across Europe, too late, you are being hollowed out, jihad by immigration

They will breed you out of existence, this is why Meloni is critical to Italy, lets see, this is what Obama sought to do America and Biden is completing it, yes, the wolf is coming via Mexico, said I

https://notthebee.com/article/hard-to-believe-the-chinese-birth-rate-is-absolutely-cratering-isnt-it

Patrick says

Ah, that 5.5 acres per person is indeed bullshit.

Right.

1 cow to 1.5 lush acres with good rotation of paddocks or 3-4 hardscrabble, non-rotated, or less intensive acres = ~500lb of useable meat, which is almost 10lb of meat/person/week for a year. And as said elsewhere, that's finicky Modern Appetites not including Bone Broth from the marrow, head cheese, organ meat, etc.

Or to put it another way, one cow/person = About 1 Eight Ounce Steak or two quarter-pounder burgers pretty much every day of year with meat to spare.

And this is organic, free range cows. Not finishing the cows or raising them entirely in feed lots, which would be much less land/cow.

There should be a formula for how to live a life of independence from the grid. How much land and water do you need? What plants and animals work best at a certain latitude?

I suppose farmers know all this already, especially the Amish.

Patrick says

There should be a formula for how to live a life of independence from the grid. How much land and water do you need? What plants and animals work best at a certain latitude?

I suppose farmers know all this already, especially the Amish.

Depends on the soil and the land. 5 acres in Pennsylvania != 5 acres in West Texas.

Global Warming would be great for Russia and Canada. The Siberian Federal District is the size of the Northwest Territories, Yukon, and Nunavut combined, probably toss in half of Quebec. Or THREE (3) Alaskas. And that's not a third of Siberia. Almost 4.5M km2 or 1.6M sq. miles.

Patrick says

There should be a formula for how to live a life of independence from the grid. How much land and water do you need? What plants and animals work best at a certain latitude?

I suppose farmers know all this already, especially the Amish.

Growing up in Alaska, with parents who likes to farm, i can tell you that potatoes do exceptionally well in a boreal environment, as do cabbages, beans, peas, and leafy vegetables. The constant light in the summer (it’s never dark) means they can grow to tremendous size!
Just forget about corn, but barley might do ok.
You’ll need a greenhouse for tomatoes and cucumbers.

Patrick says

There should be a formula for how to live a life of independence from the grid. How much land and water do you need? What plants and animals work best at a certain latitude?

I suppose farmers know all this already, especially the Amish.

Yea, if you want to forgo a 1st World lifestyle. 5 acres in central Virginia with some woods and you can grow enough food and have a cow and chickens. Dig a well for water and use water very sparingly - no showers. Use an outhouse. No electricity. Wood stove for cooking and heat. This is how my dad's parents lived.

https://notthebee.com/article/it-looks-like-the-world-is-nearing-peak-population

Patrick says

I suppose farmers know all this already, especially the Amish.

Obligatory:

https://barsoom.substack.com/p/depopulocalypse

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/very-urgent-the-fertility-crisis

The fertility crisis in mRNA countries is deepening

Why will no one investigate the plunge in births since 2021?

The global baby bust is worsening - and the problem is deepest in countries that relied most heavily on mRNA Covid shots.

Most notably, several nations that had stable birth levels before the mRNAs were introduced in 2021 have seen sharp drops since. Sweden had about 115,000 births annually from 2012 to 2021. Last year, births plunged to 105,000. In 2023, they are tracking below 100,000. Germany has a similar trend.

Meanwhile, Eastern European nations like Bulgaria - which had much lower mRNA jab rates - have seen in some cases increases in births in the last year.

AmericanKulak says

Most wealth in any country is in the land and property.

Western birthrates have been declining for decades.

Smart people read charts.

Thus you have mass immigration.

It doesn't matter if an employed citizen or government/NGO on behalf of a refugee is paying, as long as you get your landlord rent.

Catholics, Muslims, Hindus, and Mormons will survive and continue to populate. Big cities will die off from corruption, internal rot, fire, and disease.

rocketjoe79 says

as long as you get your landlord rent

Georgism would fix this problem.

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/very-urgent-the-fertility-crisis

The global baby bust is worsening - and the problem is deepest in countries that relied most heavily on mRNA Covid shots.

Most notably, several nations that had stable birth levels before the mRNAs were introduced in 2021 have seen sharp drops since. Sweden had about 115,000 births annually from 2012 to 2021. Last year, births plunged to 105,000. In 2023, they are tracking below 100,000. Germany has a similar trend.

Meanwhile, Eastern European nations like Bulgaria - which had much lower mRNA jab rates - have seen in some cases increases in births in the last year.

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/antivaxxers-blamed-for-hijacking

Today's news is a sudden and unexpected plunge in birth rates in Australia.




Australia’s News.Com.Au has an article about it, and they blame… climate change!

Patrick says

Australia’s News.Com.Au has an article about it, and they blame… climate change!

Paranoia Politics

The paranoid approach to politics requires demands for the impossible to be achieved thus creating failure which sustains the sense of powerlessness among the movement’s adherents.

https://slaynews.com/news/australia-fertility-rates-plummet-lowest-level-record/

Australia’s Fertility Rates Plummet to Lowest Level on Record

... According to the report from Australia’s 7 News:

“It’s currently at around 1.7, below the 2.1 rate needed for a stable population.

“During the first three months of this year, the number of births in public maternity wards in New South Wales was the lowest since records began 13 years ago.”

https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/population-control-policy

All this is to say, the “elites” are really-really serious about killing people and reducing the global population. No crime is to vile for them - they will stop at nothing, and they never have.

In conclusion, it is important to realize that there is no scientific or humanitarian basis in “public health policies” as they exists today in the United States and globally. That machinery exists to drive the population control policy. There is no scientific or humanitarian basis mandating vaccinations with now close to 100 different poisons. Vaccines do not create health. Yet, this is squarely among the UN’s “sustainable goals”.

The public health system must be dismantled, because it is a camouflaged warfare program actively engaged in controlling and killing civilians under emergency pretexts and lies.

There are no genuine, self-sustaining, global pandemic and epidemic threats. There are only localized, self-limiting CBRN attacks conducted (in the US) by the DoD-HHS-DHS-NSC-DOJ-et al, and conducted by DoD and other national militaries in other countries, under the direction of the World Health Organization and the BIS to reinforce the illusion of pandemics, to drive the camouflaged warfare programs forward, to control and kill more civilians.

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/a-conversation-with-chat-gpt-re-population

A Conversation with Chat GPT re Population Control
and the lies an AI will tell to protect US Government policy

ROBERT W MALONE MD, MS
JUL 30, 2023

Last week I posted Gavin De Becker’s essay on the Kissinger report and National Security Study Memorandum NSSM 200, as well as links to those reports. In writing that report, Gavin used Chat GPT to try to find some answers to questions he had about the report and US government policy on population reduction.

Below is the text from the “discussion” that Gavin had with Chat GPT about population control and the Kissinger report. For brevity, I have only included last pages of the discussion, from where Gavin moves away from “fictional non-existent government” to the real USG. Here is the full link that the conversation. If you haven’t had an opportunity to use Chat GPT and wish to get some ideas on how to use it, this is a useful document to read.

I know that reading the pages below is a lot to get through - but if you can, at least speed read through the text. The bottom line is that Chat GPT seem to lie consistently and with ease, in an apparent attempt to cover up US government policy that somehow Chat GPT considers too controversial.

If this example doesn’t scare you straight about the dangers of AI – for even the most basic of everyday uses, I don’t know what will - RWM

(Gavin’s comments are in light brown) ...

https://sukwan.substack.com/p/saturday-strip-9cf

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/why-are-so-many-adults-in-rich-countries

Why are so many adults in rich countries refusing to have kids?

Patrick says

Why are so many adults in rich countries refusing to have kids?

Peter Zeihan has covered this a lot. His main answer: mass urbanization.

The more and faster it is, the sharper the drop off in having kids starts to be noticeable about two generations later.

US and Europe had slower urbanization, so this happened slower. Europe then had WW2 and rapid urbanization. So they pretty much stopped having enough babies since the mid 1970s.

US also had the suburbs, which helped delay this with Boomers and their kids. Then the Millennials went to live in the cities...

Asian nations, much more rapid because their industrialization was. Vietnam is demographicaly now where China was 30 ys ago. So by the 2040s, Vietnam will be in demographic free fall like China is now.

Only Japan has handled this in any remote way well.

France has too by having an extensive, pro-family support mechanism that costs a lot. Eastern Europeans like the Poles and Hungaruans have tried to emulate the French but with less results.

The Kiwis and Swedes haven't done bad either. Oz, not so much.
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So ironically, America's shitty cities turning into even shittier hellholes is a good thing. People are fleeing them for exurbs and smaller towns. Our demographic problems will start to correct themselves after a generation or two.

As Professor Larry Sabato says "Demographics is destiny"

Sweden is learning that firsthand.

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PumpingRedheads says

Our demographic problems will start to correct themselves after a generation or two.

We do not have a demographic problem, other than a flood of illiterates crossing the southern border.

It seems intuitive that population cannot increase forever. If so, it is necessary that for some time population will either be stable or will decrease. When conditions change the rate of change in population will also change.

I am also of the opinion that the problem is uncontrolled immigration. Setting a quota for quantity might be arbitrary, however we must reject nationalities/cultures/religions that have been shown to integrate poorly in American society.

yawaraf says

I am also of the opinion that the problem is uncontrolled immigration. Setting a quota for quantity might be arbitrary, however we must reject nationalities/cultures/religions that have been shown to integrate poorly in American society.

Tucker Carlson is warning about this. He says the reason 3rd world immigrants come to America is that it is a free society with economic opportunity. When America becomes a 3rd world country, then Tucker states it will get a lot worse here as far as those immigrants.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/abrupt-change-coming-tucker-carlson-issues-dire-warning-america

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https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/weaponization-of-disease-agents