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ohomen171
2024 Aug 1, 5:15am
ohomen171
2024 Aug 1, 5:15am
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Asia
In Japan, a diapers company recently announced that it would be switching its focus from babies to adults – it’s been years since the sales of its products for seniors vastly outpaced those for infants.
Across East Asia and elsewhere on the continent, governments, businesses and analysts are reacting – and sometimes panicking – in relation to a steep population decline and an aging population that mean slower economic growth, a strain on services and benefits, and a shrinking labor force to pay for them in the future.
And almost everyone is trying to find a way to solve the dilemma of the missing babies.
This demographic cliff has mainly arisen because of brutal job markets, skyrocketing living and education costs, slow wage growth, employment insecurity, and tough corporate cultures. But many also attribute the decline to, ironically, traditional family values that have kept many Japanese and Korean women from wanting to bear children.
Last year, the birth rate in Japan decreased to a record low after falling more than 5 percent compared with 2022. The approximately 760,000 babies born in 2023 were among the smallest generation born since the country began tallying the birth rate in 1899. The number of live births, meanwhile, has dropped more than 50 percent in five decades, the BBC reported.
At the same time, marriages in Japan decreased by almost 6 percent. Fewer than half a million Japanese couples took vows of matrimony, the lowest rate in 90 years. Out-of-wedlock births and single parenthood, furthermore, are rare in Japan due to “family values based on a paternalistic tradition,” reported the Guardian.
It’s become such a concern that recently, Tokyo officials began developing a dating app to encourage love and, hopefully, marriage and children. That’s in addition to its singles events, counseling sessions on marriage and a campaign where “lovers can have their stories of how they first met turned into comics or songs.”
“Japan is standing on the verge of whether we can continue to function as a society,” said Prime Minister Fumio Kishida.
Similar sentiments are expressed in the back halls of the National Assembly in Seoul. Even so, women in South Korea, which has the lowest fertility rate in the world, cite cultural hurdles, particularly for women balancing career and work demands with caring for a family, in opting out of motherhood. In the South Korean language, the term for wife is “home person.”
Accordingly, South Korean wives who work grueling day jobs are also expected to cook, clean, and care for the kids, even at an advanced age, wrote the Washington Post. The gender pay gap in the country is also the highest among industrialized countries: Females earn 69 cents on the dollar compared with males.
As a result, many women are opting out, noted World Politics Review. For example, the number of marriages dropped by half between 1996 and 2021.
A movement, 4B, encapsulates this situation: It’s one in which its exclusively female members eschew marriage, childbirth and even dating, saying a life without a man is a life with freedom. “I’m not even fighting the patriarchy – I’ve decided to walk out of it,” said one member, Kim Jina.
Some companies, however, are now jumping in to address these issues, after government initiatives such as subsidized housing for newlyweds and payments for babies failed to reverse the trends. That’s no surprise: Businesses worry over the numbers that show the workforce will halve within 50 years. Now, many are offering bonuses for babies: Booyoung Group, a Seoul-based construction company, for example, is paying new mothers and fathers $75,000 per child.
Japan and South Korea, however, aren’t alone in their population woes: Throughout Asia, countries including China, Singapore, Hong Kong, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Vietnam, and parts of India are experiencing demographic crises. Work demands and traditions are often to blame there, too.
A big challenge in this shift is how governments will pay for the services associated with growing elderly populations – pensions, healthcare, home health aides, etc. – when the pool of younger taxpayers who are working to foot the bill is shrinking. That’s especially a concern in countries like Japan which have long resisted immigration but is now rethinking its policies and rolling out its “tatami welcome mat,” as the Spectator put it.
It’s an even bigger issue for those countries who are aging without having become wealthy such as Thailand and Vietnam, which face an aging population that is getting old in poverty, putting a burden on the already patchy provision of pensions, healthcare and other key systems. Meanwhile, these countries’ economies often depend on sectors such as agriculture that aren’t easy for the elderly to participate in.
Meanwhile, China’s birth rate is especially concerning. With 1.4 billion people, the country is now the second-most populous after India, losing its top spot last year. But its population could decrease by half to 770 million by 2100 if current trends continue, argued Scientific American. That threatens its prosperity.
Still, Chinese couples eschew children for the same reasons as others in Asia. Their country’s one-child policy, which sought to restrict out-of-control population growth between 1980 and 2016, was rooted in these economic motivations. “The policy supercharged the country’s workforce: By caring for fewer children, young people could be more productive and put aside more money,” wrote the Wall Street Journal.
Still, the government is taking action, recently raising the retirement age to 65 and putting restrictions on abortions. And Chinese prosecutors, for example, recently exposed Chinese firms that were requiring job applicants to take pregnancy tests so they would not hire workers who would later require parental leave and other benefits, CNN reported.
It’s clear: Officials in Beijing want more kids. But as in South Korea, a preference for males through sex-selection family planning as well as natural trends now means men outnumber women and would-be grooms face bleak marriage prospects, the Conversation wrote. That’s in addition to a trend showing how almost double the number of men over women desire marriage.
Meanwhile, the efforts to change marriage and birth trends as well as initiatives to promote women’s rights and equality are inspiring a backlash from men, some of whom are forming groups similar to incels (shortened from “involuntary celibates”), the Economist wrote.
In South Korea, New Men on Solidarity, a men’s-rights group, calls feminism a mental illness, and is courted by the country’s president who said it is hurting “healthy relationships.” In Japan, “Twitter Feminists,” has become a derogatory term. And a group called “the Center for Weak Men” is attracting strong interest. Meanwhile, only 37 percent of South Korean women say they would date a “patriarchal” man, a recent survey found.
That, the news magazine added, means “the rise in anti-feminist sentiment bodes badly for the region’s birth rates.”
Asia
In Japan, a diapers company recently announced that it would be switching its focus from babies to adults – it’s been years since the sales of its products for seniors vastly outpaced those for infants.
Across East Asia and elsewhere on the continent, governments, businesses and analysts are reacting – and sometimes panicking – in relation to a steep population decline and an aging population that mean slower economic growth, a strain on services and benefits, and a shrinking labor force to pay for them in the future.
And almost everyone is trying to find a way to solve the dilemma of the missing babies.
This demographic cliff has mainly arisen because of brutal job markets, skyrocketing living and education costs, slow wage growth, employment insecurity, and tough corporate cultures. But many also attribute the decline to, ironically, traditional family values that have kept many Japanese and Korean women from wanting to bear children.
Last year, the birth rate in Japan decreased to a record low after falling more than 5 percent compared with 2022. The approximately 760,000 babies born in 2023 were among the smallest generation born since the country began tallying the birth rate in 1899. The number of live births, meanwhile, has dropped more than 50 percent in five decades, the BBC reported.
At the same time, marriages in Japan decreased by almost 6 percent. Fewer than half a million Japanese couples took vows of matrimony, the lowest rate in 90 years. Out-of-wedlock births and single parenthood, furthermore, are rare in Japan due to “family values based on a paternalistic tradition,” reported the Guardian.
It’s become such a concern that recently, Tokyo officials began developing a dating app to encourage love and, hopefully, marriage and children. That’s in addition to its singles events, counseling sessions on marriage and a campaign where “lovers can have their stories of how they first met turned into comics or songs.”
“Japan is standing on the verge of whether we can continue to function as a society,” said Prime Minister Fumio Kishida.
Similar sentiments are expressed in the back halls of the National Assembly in Seoul. Even so, women in South Korea, which has the lowest fertility rate in the world, cite cultural hurdles, particularly for women balancing career and work demands with caring for a family, in opting out of motherhood. In the South Korean language, the term for wife is “home person.”
Accordingly, South Korean wives who work grueling day jobs are also expected to cook, clean, and care for the kids, even at an advanced age, wrote the Washington Post. The gender pay gap in the country is also the highest among industrialized countries: Females earn 69 cents on the dollar compared with males.
As a result, many women are opting out, noted World Politics Review. For example, the number of marriages dropped by half between 1996 and 2021.
A movement, 4B, encapsulates this situation: It’s one in which its exclusively female members eschew marriage, childbirth and even dating, saying a life without a man is a life with freedom. “I’m not even fighting the patriarchy – I’ve decided to walk out of it,” said one member, Kim Jina.
Some companies, however, are now jumping in to address these issues, after government initiatives such as subsidized housing for newlyweds and payments for babies failed to reverse the trends. That’s no surprise: Businesses worry over the numbers that show the workforce will halve within 50 years. Now, many are offering bonuses for babies: Booyoung Group, a Seoul-based construction company, for example, is paying new mothers and fathers $75,000 per child.
Japan and South Korea, however, aren’t alone in their population woes: Throughout Asia, countries including China, Singapore, Hong Kong, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Vietnam, and parts of India are experiencing demographic crises. Work demands and traditions are often to blame there, too.
A big challenge in this shift is how governments will pay for the services associated with growing elderly populations – pensions, healthcare, home health aides, etc. – when the pool of younger taxpayers who are working to foot the bill is shrinking. That’s especially a concern in countries like Japan which have long resisted immigration but is now rethinking its policies and rolling out its “tatami welcome mat,” as the Spectator put it.
It’s an even bigger issue for those countries who are aging without having become wealthy such as Thailand and Vietnam, which face an aging population that is getting old in poverty, putting a burden on the already patchy provision of pensions, healthcare and other key systems. Meanwhile, these countries’ economies often depend on sectors such as agriculture that aren’t easy for the elderly to participate in.
Meanwhile, China’s birth rate is especially concerning. With 1.4 billion people, the country is now the second-most populous after India, losing its top spot last year. But its population could decrease by half to 770 million by 2100 if current trends continue, argued Scientific American. That threatens its prosperity.
Still, Chinese couples eschew children for the same reasons as others in Asia. Their country’s one-child policy, which sought to restrict out-of-control population growth between 1980 and 2016, was rooted in these economic motivations. “The policy supercharged the country’s workforce: By caring for fewer children, young people could be more productive and put aside more money,” wrote the Wall Street Journal.
Still, the government is taking action, recently raising the retirement age to 65 and putting restrictions on abortions. And Chinese prosecutors, for example, recently exposed Chinese firms that were requiring job applicants to take pregnancy tests so they would not hire workers who would later require parental leave and other benefits, CNN reported.
It’s clear: Officials in Beijing want more kids. But as in South Korea, a preference for males through sex-selection family planning as well as natural trends now means men outnumber women and would-be grooms face bleak marriage prospects, the Conversation wrote. That’s in addition to a trend showing how almost double the number of men over women desire marriage.
Meanwhile, the efforts to change marriage and birth trends as well as initiatives to promote women’s rights and equality are inspiring a backlash from men, some of whom are forming groups similar to incels (shortened from “involuntary celibates”), the Economist wrote.
In South Korea, New Men on Solidarity, a men’s-rights group, calls feminism a mental illness, and is courted by the country’s president who said it is hurting “healthy relationships.” In Japan, “Twitter Feminists,” has become a derogatory term. And a group called “the Center for Weak Men” is attracting strong interest. Meanwhile, only 37 percent of South Korean women say they would date a “patriarchal” man, a recent survey found.
That, the news magazine added, means “the rise in anti-feminist sentiment bodes badly for the region’s birth rates.”
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Patrick
2025 May 20, 2:02pm
Patrick
2025 May 20, 2:02pm
WookieMan says
Even better, transform that front lawn into a garden and get:
1. exercise
2. sun
3. food
4. savings on food and landscaping
5. connection to nature, knowing how things grow
Work on your own yard and not some illegal landscaper. Get some exercise so you're not fat.
Even better, transform that front lawn into a garden and get:
1. exercise
2. sun
3. food
4. savings on food and landscaping
5. connection to nature, knowing how things grow
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HeadSet
2025 May 20, 5:24pm
HeadSet
2025 May 20, 5:24pm
Patrick says
Yep, and see how insects, rabbits, squirrels and deer raid your garden.
connection to nature, knowing how things grow
Yep, and see how insects, rabbits, squirrels and deer raid your garden.
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WookieMan
2025 May 20, 6:47pm
WookieMan
2025 May 20, 6:47pm
HeadSet says
Raised beds and fences on the property lines. We've had no issues. So no deer. Insects aren't an issue here. Rabbits and squirrels for whatever reason don't get in. I had to toss a ton of pickled veggies about 3 months ago. I've gotta do the long term method. We grow too much. New house we'll have to get a 3rd fridge and 2nd freezer.
Could argue the electric bill, but seeds cost nothing. About to plant some sweet corn tomorrow now that we got some rain. Already late but whatever. We've had no rain. We'll be moving early summer, so will have to make the daily trip back to the garden. They still have to grade so I can't do much at the new house.
Patrick says
connection to nature, knowing how things grow
Yep, and see how insects, rabbits, squirrels and deer raid your garden.
Raised beds and fences on the property lines. We've had no issues. So no deer. Insects aren't an issue here. Rabbits and squirrels for whatever reason don't get in. I had to toss a ton of pickled veggies about 3 months ago. I've gotta do the long term method. We grow too much. New house we'll have to get a 3rd fridge and 2nd freezer.
Could argue the electric bill, but seeds cost nothing. About to plant some sweet corn tomorrow now that we got some rain. Already late but whatever. We've had no rain. We'll be moving early summer, so will have to make the daily trip back to the garden. They still have to grade so I can't do much at the new house.
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B.A.C.A.H.
2025 May 21, 6:11am
B.A.C.A.H.
2025 May 21, 6:11am
Patrick says
Not to worry. Muslims in Russia are having babies above replacement. An AI query I typed this week said it's 2.3 per Muslim woman. Coming soon: Islamic Federation of Russia.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/03/05/russia-will-be-one-third-muslim-in-15-years-chief-mufti-predicts-a64706
RUSSIA’S BIRTH RATE JUST FELL TO A 200-YEAR LOW—AND NOW IT’S A STATE SECRET
Russia is running out of people.
Births dropped so sharply this year that officials stopped publishing monthly numbers. A top demographer says March 2025 may have had the fewest births since the 1700s.
Not to worry. Muslims in Russia are having babies above replacement. An AI query I typed this week said it's 2.3 per Muslim woman. Coming soon: Islamic Federation of Russia.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/03/05/russia-will-be-one-third-muslim-in-15-years-chief-mufti-predicts-a64706
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WookieMan
2025 May 21, 7:30am
WookieMan
2025 May 21, 7:30am
B.A.C.A.H. says
I honestly haven't studied Russia. Does this include the caucus states/countries? Russia is a weird animal from my perception. Nukes are an issue, but I've never feared Russia. All Muslims have been nice to me, but I'm not certain control of Russian nukes would be a good thing if they got to 1/3rd of population.
Patrick says
RUSSIA’S BIRTH RATE JUST FELL TO A 200-YEAR LOW—AND NOW IT’S A STATE SECRET
Russia is running out of people.
Births dropped so sharply this year that officials stopped publishing monthly numbers. A top demographer says March 2025 may have had the fewest births since the 1700s.
Not to worry. Muslims in Russia are having babies above replacement. An AI query I typed this week said it's 2.3 per Muslim woman. Coming soon: Islamic Federation of Russia.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/03/05/russia-will-be-one-third-muslim-in-15-years-chief-mufti-predicts-a64706
I honestly haven't studied Russia. Does this include the caucus states/countries? Russia is a weird animal from my perception. Nukes are an issue, but I've never feared Russia. All Muslims have been nice to me, but I'm not certain control of Russian nukes would be a good thing if they got to 1/3rd of population.
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Patrick
2025 May 24, 9:15am
Patrick
2025 May 24, 9:15am
B.A.C.A.H. says
They need to be introduced to feminism.
Muslims in Russia are having babies above replacement.
They need to be introduced to feminism.
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yawaraf
2025 May 24, 6:37pm
Patrick says
A few decades ago human population showed positive growth and people correctly concluded that if it would continue unchecked, the earth would get overcrowded. Now, in some parts of the world there is negative population growth, and again, should this trend not change, the population would eventually die out.
It should now be clear that there is no reason to believe the rate of change of the human population will stay constant, and it is shortsighted to conclude, based on birth rates alone, that people will die out. There are hundreds of millions of people in Europe, they would still be prosperous if they had ⅒ of the population.
However, to preserve the culture and the quality of life, I think there need to be some political changes:
A few decades ago human population showed positive growth and people correctly concluded that if it would continue unchecked, the earth would get overcrowded. Now, in some parts of the world there is negative population growth, and again, should this trend not change, the population would eventually die out.
It should now be clear that there is no reason to believe the rate of change of the human population will stay constant, and it is shortsighted to conclude, based on birth rates alone, that people will die out. There are hundreds of millions of people in Europe, they would still be prosperous if they had ⅒ of the population.
However, to preserve the culture and the quality of life, I think there need to be some political changes:
- strong army to defend from possible invasion
- limit immigration to a small percentage of the population
- normalize short working schedules for women, for example 4 hour days
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FortWayneHatesRealtors
2025 May 24, 7:37pm
when america had 200m people it was making everything, when it got to 330m corporate said there aren’t enough workers and we need more illegals to import customers.
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WookieMan
2025 May 25, 5:34pm
WookieMan
2025 May 25, 5:34pm
yawaraf says
Agree with this 100%. Some women are solid workers, most can't do the stuff that needs to be done day to day though. It should work both ways though if roles were reversed and the lady is a powerful attorney or something like that.
At least one parent needs to be there for their kids. Work part time during the school days. That's my situation. Basically 2 of them are straight A students. 2 are state qualifiers in sports. One all state already. The youngest is a touch slow, not autistic and gets above average grades, but I think dads are better parents is the point.
Obviously we need manual labor that men are going to have to do. But being an insurance agent or some other service sales job as a man? I'd rather be with my kids. I think being a car salesman is more gay than being a stay at home dad that gets side gigs.
normalize short working schedules for women, for example 4 hour days
Agree with this 100%. Some women are solid workers, most can't do the stuff that needs to be done day to day though. It should work both ways though if roles were reversed and the lady is a powerful attorney or something like that.
At least one parent needs to be there for their kids. Work part time during the school days. That's my situation. Basically 2 of them are straight A students. 2 are state qualifiers in sports. One all state already. The youngest is a touch slow, not autistic and gets above average grades, but I think dads are better parents is the point.
Obviously we need manual labor that men are going to have to do. But being an insurance agent or some other service sales job as a man? I'd rather be with my kids. I think being a car salesman is more gay than being a stay at home dad that gets side gigs.
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yawaraf
2025 May 25, 9:03pm
WookieMan says
You said it better and I did. The household with two parents with full-time employment should become the exception. This can be framed independent of the parent's sex, but I suspect for most families, and especially when the children are very young, mothers would assume the role of the primary care-giver.
At least one parent needs to be there for their kids. Work part time during the school days.
You said it better and I did. The household with two parents with full-time employment should become the exception. This can be framed independent of the parent's sex, but I suspect for most families, and especially when the children are very young, mothers would assume the role of the primary care-giver.
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FortWayneHatesRealtors
2025 Jun 10, 8:05am
they overpopulated, what do you want ohomen?
most dumb not questioned views of our time are: population must grow infinitely, diversity is strength, there are not enough workers to do the work, inflation is good.
all are easily proven false, clearly driven by big business. and yet half the country parrots without single cognitive thought. too many people replaced their own brains with corporate slogans. all while watching everything collapse, but not think of reason why.
most dumb not questioned views of our time are: population must grow infinitely, diversity is strength, there are not enough workers to do the work, inflation is good.
all are easily proven false, clearly driven by big business. and yet half the country parrots without single cognitive thought. too many people replaced their own brains with corporate slogans. all while watching everything collapse, but not think of reason why.
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AD
2025 Jun 10, 10:21am
AD
2025 Jun 10, 10:21am
Fortwaye says
I think National Realtors Association and Chamber of Commerce equate population growth (even a Biden era invasion of 3rd world poor) as helping to keep assets prices like home values up while paying Third Wage wages by exploiting illegal immigrant workers.
They don't need as much workers in agriculture as they continue to modernize. There is a strawberry farm inside a building in Richmond, VA and its not your typical farm where you have predominantly uneducated immigrant workers.
That is why I wonder if there was a subtle message with the AntiFa sect called La Raza destroying those Waymo cars.
Which is ironic as Waymo likely is staffed with engineers, analysts, human resource workers who make sure they post their proper pronouns and support for Woke ideals.
There is like an internal struggle between the Shithole Third World Left versus the "Asian and white professional hipster" Left
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most dumb not questioned views of our time are: population must grow infinitely, diversity is strength, there are not enough workers to do the work, inflation is good.
I think National Realtors Association and Chamber of Commerce equate population growth (even a Biden era invasion of 3rd world poor) as helping to keep assets prices like home values up while paying Third Wage wages by exploiting illegal immigrant workers.
They don't need as much workers in agriculture as they continue to modernize. There is a strawberry farm inside a building in Richmond, VA and its not your typical farm where you have predominantly uneducated immigrant workers.
That is why I wonder if there was a subtle message with the AntiFa sect called La Raza destroying those Waymo cars.
Which is ironic as Waymo likely is staffed with engineers, analysts, human resource workers who make sure they post their proper pronouns and support for Woke ideals.
There is like an internal struggle between the Shithole Third World Left versus the "Asian and white professional hipster" Left
.
314
Patrick
2025 Jun 11, 3:57pm
Patrick
2025 Jun 11, 3:57pm
https://sukwan.substack.com/p/midweek-memes-807
There are some good researchers in this space who do broad overviews that I like, such as CM27874...
316
DemoralizerOfPanicans
2025 Jun 15, 1:19pm
DemoralizerOfPanicans
2025 Jun 15, 1:19pm
"Why are the kids pushing all this Authoritarian Loser Turd World stuff?"
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Patrick
2025 Jul 7, 2:31pm
Well, it looks like we have to choose between demographic collapse or keeping women uneducated.
Patrick
2025 Jul 7, 2:31pm
Well, it looks like we have to choose between demographic collapse or keeping women uneducated.
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RC2006
2025 Jul 7, 4:49pm
RC2006
2025 Jul 7, 4:49pm
When gov collapse happens because of feminists it will return to normal.
325
EBGuy
2025 Jul 26, 12:13am
The Bay Area is getting old — fast. It will change everything
The Bay Area is facing a doom loop. It’s just not the one we usually think about.
For years we’ve heard of the potential economic doom spiral circling San Francisco, where a massive city budget deficit fueled by remote work leads to poorer services and even more residents fleeing. But another threat has been building in relative silence.
The Bay Area is getting old fast, and it’s accelerating. Though aging is a global trend, the San Francisco metro area — which includes San Francisco, Alameda, Contra Costa, San Mateo and Marin counties — is already the third-oldest among 20 of the largest regions in the U.S., trailing only two places in Florida. And no other region is growing older at a quicker pace.
The Bay Area is facing a doom loop. It’s just not the one we usually think about.
For years we’ve heard of the potential economic doom spiral circling San Francisco, where a massive city budget deficit fueled by remote work leads to poorer services and even more residents fleeing. But another threat has been building in relative silence.
The Bay Area is getting old fast, and it’s accelerating. Though aging is a global trend, the San Francisco metro area — which includes San Francisco, Alameda, Contra Costa, San Mateo and Marin counties — is already the third-oldest among 20 of the largest regions in the U.S., trailing only two places in Florida. And no other region is growing older at a quicker pace.
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2025 Jul 26, 12:30am
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2025 Jul 26, 12:30am
EBGuy says
Old population, and also butt babies aren’t real babies, even if the recipient acts really really feminine.
The Bay Area is getting old — fast. It will change everything
The Bay Area is facing a doom loop. It’s just not the one we usually think about.
For years we’ve heard of the potential economic doom spiral circling San Francisco, where a massive city budget deficit fueled by remote work leads to poorer services and even more residents fleeing. But another threat has been building in relative silence.
The Bay Area is getting old fast, and it’s accelerating. Though aging is a global trend, the San Francisco metro area — which includes San Francisco, Alameda, Contra Costa, San Mateo and Marin counties — is already the third-oldest among 20 of the largest regions in the U.S., trailing only two places in Florida. And no other region is growing older at a quicker pace.
Old population, and also butt babies aren’t real babies, even if the recipient acts really really feminine.
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Blue
2025 Jul 26, 12:39am
Another factor is CA 1978 Prop 13 keeps the people from moving around!
328
GreaterNYCDude
2025 Jul 26, 3:48am
When I was coming into adulthood in the late 90s / early 2000s, we used to joke that "30 is the new 20". By the time you go to college then start your career your already mid 20s. Find someone to settle down with and by the time your "ready" to have kids (and your NEVER really ready) your almost a decade older than the prior generation. I was in my early 30s when our first was born.
Now with housing bubble 2.0 and many white collar jobs needing a Masters degree (because most Bachelors ain't worth the paper they are printed on these days), it's only gotten worse. Plus kids are expensive.
As much as I wouldn't be opposed to one more, at my age that's probably not going to happen. So we're your typical 4 person family. Two cars in the garage, white picket fence, the whole nine.
Now with housing bubble 2.0 and many white collar jobs needing a Masters degree (because most Bachelors ain't worth the paper they are printed on these days), it's only gotten worse. Plus kids are expensive.
As much as I wouldn't be opposed to one more, at my age that's probably not going to happen. So we're your typical 4 person family. Two cars in the garage, white picket fence, the whole nine.
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MolotovCocktail
2025 Aug 4, 7:05am
MolotovCocktail
2025 Aug 4, 7:05am
Worse. It accelerates. 97% decline by 3 gen.
Ppl don't get demographics. Especially this little factoid:
"They just have to start having more babies before that collapse happens!"
No. When the TFR hits whatever number below replacement, it's corresponding effects IS ALREADY BAKED INTO THE FUCKING CAKE, period. Radically increasing birth rates won't change what's coming just what may happen after that.
Ppl don't get demographics. Especially this little factoid:
"They just have to start having more babies before that collapse happens!"
No. When the TFR hits whatever number below replacement, it's corresponding effects IS ALREADY BAKED INTO THE FUCKING CAKE, period. Radically increasing birth rates won't change what's coming just what may happen after that.
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Leftism is self-exterminating, but it will take a while, and they will continuously try to convert the children of conservatives to replenish their numbers.