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Shaman says

Lotta chinamen.

hoodathunk?

komputodo says

richwicks says

China can fuck the United States within 6 months by doing nothing.

probably wouldn't even take that long.

And China would be even more fucked. They need our money to import resources. That's why the situation won't change for the foreseeable future. Our cheap Chinese products would go away, but most Americans would be fine without them. Would be a change, but we have way less to lose by decoupling from China. They couldn't keep the lights on or food on the table without the US with their massive population base over there.

Undoctored says

Because it must be said: “Only Pelosi could go to Taiwan.”

Knowing her, she'll probably show up there with a gift case of "cup of noodles".

I think it is a tempest in a teacup. Rattling swords at rattling dentures in a rattled, vodka soaked mind doesn't seem quite kosher.

The Woo says that tentative political agreements have already been struck for Taiwan rapprochement, with some kind of long term contract a la Hong Kong's previous treaty for various kinds of independent governance and leadership allowed. They're all gangsters, including Taiwan, so a truce would be in order. Taiwanese Royalists might be miffed, but they don't have a prayer against the mainland, anyway.

If that is true, all of the Taiwan WWIII crap is theater, to what particular end, only the murky political insiders might know.

WookieMan says

komputodo says

richwicks says

China can fuck the United States within 6 months by doing nothing.

probably wouldn't even take that long.

And China would be even more fucked. They need our money to import resources.

No they don't. 5 trillion dollars of toilet paper were created out of the Fed's ass for the "pandemic".

WookieMan says

That's why the situation won't change for the foreseeable future. Our cheap Chinese products would go away, but most Americans would be fine without them

Look around you. What isn't Chinese? The device you're reading this one? What about the lightbulb you're using? Your clothing? Your chair? Your rug?

The only reason China doesn't fuck us, is that it's not convenient for them at this point in time.

WookieMan says

They couldn't keep the lights on or food on the table without the US with their massive population base over there.

They don't need either food or energy from us.

Huh, looks like Brazil exports more food to China than we do, and China itself exports quite a bit of food, which is a surprise to me:

https://chinapower.csis.org/china-food-security/

wookieman
says

Our cheap Chinese products would go away, but most Americans would be fine without them

Thats actually funny...what else would american couch potatoes do if they didnt have shopping for cheap chinese shit to entertain them

Is it political theater of the absurd or is there more to it ? Pelosi’s trip includes a stop at Taiwan on Wednesday ,this has Xi making outlandish statements like play w/ and your going to die https://www.newsdirectory3.com/if-you-play-with-fire-over-the-taiwan-issue-on-the-phone-with-xi-jinping-biden-you-will-burn-and-die/ A former editor of of state propaganda global times says “ go to Taiwan we’ll shoot your plane down “ https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-state-media-suggests-shooting-down-pelosi-plane-taiwan.amp. So why is China so sorties when it knows Taiwan is a major trading partner of US ? The insider trading deal by hubby Paul was a deliberate act to infuriate China ,but why ? We have seen how important semiconductor chips are to our national security and economy by the recent supply chain problems in procuring them .The Chips Act and Taiwan - Is Nancy and her entourage coax’s Taiwan to move manufacturing over to the US .The tax benefits of the chips act states that it applies only to chips made in US soul .The sell is move manufacturing to US take the bennies and you’ll still have the ability to outsource to other Nation's while taking advantage of US policy and making Taiwan of lessor importance to China’s economy thus ensuring Taiwans own security - diversify in other words . China is also dependent on chips and wants to overtake our tech in the world market . What pushes off China is the actions of the previous 3 administrations is seen as a threat to Chinas own security.They remember history and how a world powerhouse like Japan during WW2 was forced to seek oil /gas as a result of US embargo and the empire struck out .China needs outside commodities if they are to remain the worlds largest economy …….. that is only if we let them .

Patrick is surprised that Brazil exports more food to China than we do What do provide China with and it’s thirsty new middle class is meat ,all meats .I’m still in awe that we allowed the sale of our nation’s largest pork producer to China ,however Smithfield’s was experiencing money problems ,older machines ,the whole enchilada .The sale gave influx of cash to upgrade and ease the burden of financial hardship that the Cimany was facing and now China is seeing it ,closing hog farms here in Cali and actually the whole western states .Chin’s appetite for grain fed beef is where the US l leads in exports .China need food exports to supply its nations hungry appetite,they are fully aware of what sanctions could do as well as Brazil’s relationship to us as a most fav trading partner .So while it is somewhat surprising that Brazil exports more food to China ,it’s all been done by design .

richwicks says

Why does anybody care?

If China really gets fed up with US bullshit, they'll just terminate all exports to the United States. This is just another distraction. China can fuck the United States within 6 months by doing nothing.

Except when Trump fucked up ZTE almost into bankruptcy with sanctions and promised to do the same to Huawei and the rest, it was Xi who came crawling on his belly and begging for mercy, not the other way around. Why didn't they "terminate all the exports to the US" and "show who's boss" then?

Prediction: Chyna will suck Pelosi's dick and like it.

I can't possibly imagine Pelosi actually doing anything or being a front for anything that is constructive for USA or its economy. That would be contrary to everything the Dems have committed themselves to with the Globalist NWO agenda to dismantle and weaken the country through rampant internal subversion and corruption.

Of course, Pelosi or her body double won't be actually making any deals or decisions, any more than Biden Actor does.

Look! Over there!

Pelosi's dick is tickling the back of Xi's throat. Looks like he's enjoying it so far.

Pelosi is in Taiwan for the same reason the Bidens were in Ukraine:

Tenpoundbass says

Pelosi is in Taiwan for the same reason the Bidens were in Ukraine:

(in my best whiny nasal "richwicks" voice) Taiwan is a corrupt country run by gay globohomo nazi clowns.

RWSGFY says

Tenpoundbass says

Pelosi is in Taiwan for the same reason the Bidens were in Ukraine:

(in my best whiny nasal "richwicks" voice) Taiwan is a corrupt country run by gay globohomo nazi clowns.

I never said that about Ukraine.

I said the US overthrew Ukraine in 2014 and eastern Ukraine didn't accept the coup. This immediately started a civil war.

If the US didn't overthrow Ukraine in 2014, the war would never have happened.

Don't strawman me

richwicks says

If the US didn't overthrow Ukraine in 2014, the war would never have happened.

Agreed! So why is everyone Asshurt at Russia?

If Canada and Mexico were being manipulated by Russia and China the way the EU and US establishment is shit stirring in Ukraine, and I were King around here.
The first fucking thing I would do, is annex all of Canada, and Extend the state of Texas to include Mexico. Then I would disappear every Liberal whining and bitching about it, without due process, to never be seen again.

You can't humor these evil Commie Liberal shit stirring bastards.

Tenpoundbass says

richwicks says

If the US didn't overthrow Ukraine in 2014, the war would never have happened.

Agreed! So why is everyone Asshurt at Russia?

If Canada and Mexico were being manipulated by Russia and China the way the EU and US establishment is shit stirring in Ukraine, and I were King around here.
The first fucking thing I would do, is annex all of Canada, and Extend the state of Texas to include Mexico.

Shall we invade Cuba then? Overthtown by Russia - check. Controlled by Russia - check. Right next door - check.

Would be fun to watch "richwicks" wiggle out of this one.

Tenpoundbass says

richwicks says

If the US didn't overthrow Ukraine in 2014, the war would never have happened.

Agreed! So why is everyone Asshurt at Russia?

I'm NOT "asshurt at Russia". Russia has to be thinking, why did the US foverthrow my neighbor and strategic ally's government, then place a bunch of NATO weaponry in here? That's not an UNREASONABLE thing to think about. Why didn't they just end the conflict with the Donbass? The US media now LIES to the public and says it never happened, that it's all a fiction.

Every fucking thing out of government and "mainstream media" - everything is a lie. Everything. Find that Russian collusion yet? Survive the Pandemic? Get your "Safe and effective" vaccine? Well, inflation is temporary isn't it? I'm so tired of people that STILL listen to these assholes after all this. Whatever the US government is actually doing in Ukraine, you can fucking be absolutely certain they are lying about it.

richwicks says

If Canada and Mexico were being manipulated by Russia and China the way the EU and US establishment is shit stirring in Ukraine, and I were King around here.
The first fucking thing I would do, is annex all of Canada, and Extend the state of Texas to include Mexico. Then I would disappear every Liberal whining and bitching about it, without due process, to never be seen again.

You can't humor these evil Commie Liberal shit stirring bastards.

Haha - if you were king, you'd just be murdered by the real government.

richwicks says

I'm NOT "asshurt at Russia". Russia has to be thinking, why did the US foverthrow my neighbor and strategic ally's government, then place a bunch of NATO weaponry in here?

Russia has repeatedly said that extending NATO to its borders does not concern it. Want to hear it right from Putin's mouth? I can dig up a video for you, but it shouldn't be hard to find his statements on official Russian news agencies sites.

And the only "NATO weapons" there prior to Russia build-up for this war last fall were 160 tubes of Javeling ATGMs given by Trump. Are160 tubes of ATGMs an "existential threat" to a nuclear power? How?

PS. I'll spare you the search effort:

“As for the expansion [of NATO], including through new members of the alliance — Finland, Sweden — Russia wants to inform you that it has no problems with these states,” Putin said on Monday, speaking at a gathering in Moscow of leaders from the member countries of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), the Russia-backed military alliance. “Therefore, in this sense, expansion on account of these countries does not pose a direct threat to Russia.”

RWSGFY says

Shall we invade Cuba then? Overthtown by Russia - check. Controlled by Russia - check. Right next door - check.

Would be fun to watch "richwicks" wiggle out of this one.

We did try to invade Cuba. Bay of Pigs ring a bell?

SHOULD the Cuban Missile Crisis have happened? Yes - but as always we only get 1/2 the story. The United States was placing nuclear weaponry in Turkey before the Cuban Missile Crisis. When the USSR was caught (maybe intentionally caught?) one of the conditions of withdrawal was the US would withdraw their nuclear weaponry from Turkey.

Bet you never knew that.

My main complaint is people are mostly full of shit. For SOME reason now that Russia is no longer communist, the US is in constant conflict with them - constantly sanctioning them, lying about them, endless stupid CHILDISH propaganda. I'm just sick of it.

But the US establishment LOVES China, you know, that communist nation.

The US wasn't at conflict with the USSR because it was communist. It's not at conflict with Cuba because it is communist. It's just another fucking lie. I'm so sick of it, and the reason people don't recognize it as a lie, is because they have been trained LIKE RATS, to reject critical thinking. The reasons we're given for our government doing EVERYTHING is false.

Remember when we had to bomb Libya to prevent Qaddafi from causing a humanitarian crisis, then left it in civil war with slavery markets? The US didn't bomb Libya over humanitarian reasons. It's not bombing Syria over humanitarian reasons. It didn't bomb Iraq over that, it didn't bomb Afghanistan over 9/11 or binLaden.

Don't you ever get sick of being lied to - or do really not realize you're lied to? Every fucking goddamned time? How can you not see the obvious? Do you see the obvious but you're too much of a coward to admit the OBVIOUS?

richwicks says

We did try to invade Cuba. Bay of Pigs ring a bell?

History is history. Shall we do it NOW? And with real forces. Checks all the requisite boxes as correctly stated above.

richwicks says

I said the US overthrew Ukraine in 2014 and eastern Ukraine didn't accept the coup. This immediately started a civil war.

Except the FSB operative who infiltrated into Slovyansk (Igor Strelkov aka Girkin) in March with a bunch of Russian guerilla and started the shooting war has openly testified that locals didn't want anything to do with it and they had to be conscripted and othervise coersed into participation. Later - in June-Aug - Russian troops were captured well inside Ukrainian territory and taken POW and then exchanged for Ukrainian POW. So "civil war" is another fake.

RWSGFY says

Shall we invade Cuba then? Overthtown by Russia - check. Controlled by Russia - check. Right next door - check.

Aren't they a sovereign country? If Russia invaded Cuba, Mexico, or Canada we should definitely stop them, just as I would expect Russia to stop us if we invaded one of their neighbors or started a coup or something.

I don't really know enough about Ukraine to have an educated opinion, but I do know that the US government has been spreading some evil. We still don't know what Hunter was doing at Burisma though we suspect he was working for the "big guy".

Onvacation says

RWSGFY says

Shall we invade Cuba then? Overthtown by Russia - check. Controlled by Russia - check. Right next door - check.

Aren't they a sovereign country?

They are. So is Ukraine. But richwicks is very keen on Russia's supposed rights to invade Ukraine but somehow against invasion of Cuba. He also used to be very anti-war, specifically anti Iraq war (because Putin was against it) but now he's very pro-war, and especially likes the war against Ukraine (because, again, Putin is for it).

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

We did try to invade Cuba. Bay of Pigs ring a bell?

History is history. Shall we do it NOW? And with real forces. Checks all the requisite boxes as correctly stated above.

Is Cuba hosting Russian weapons and BSL5 labs because Russia is expanding the Warsaw Pact?

Nope, but NATO is being expanded. NATO hosts American weapons, and NATO has moved in BSL5 labs into Ukraine. The US gets to pay for it all.

Why the FUCK am I paying for this bullshit, why the FUCK do you support paying for this bullshit? What? We don't have enough fucking BSL5 labs? Why are they in goddamned Ukraine, and not the United States? I am so fucking tired of people bending over to get fucked and be like "what's the matter, you don't like being fucked?"

People like you hurt the entire nation by having an OBVIOUSLY criminal group of sociopaths free reign to do what ever stupid fucking bullshit they want to do in foreign countries using our military and our money, We couldn't afford 13 billion dollars to end illegal immigration between Mexico and the United States. Too expensive!! - but $40 billion to Ukraine, well no problem.

I'm tired of it.

Our own fucking government was doing gain of function research on coronaviruses in Wuhan, literally blocks away from the "we market" that, sars-cov2-19 originated from. In all likelihood, because our government is a fucking sociopath compulsive liar about every FUCKING thing, they made the sars-cov2-19 virus and released it.

Those are the fucking assholes you have lined up behind to support. Fuck you. No matter how much they fuck you, or me, or your neighbor, your wife, your country men, foreign nations, you will ALWAYS defend them. What a set of principles.

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

We did try to invade Cuba. Bay of Pigs ring a bell?

History is history. Shall we do it NOW? And with real forces. Checks all the requisite boxes as correctly stated above.

Is Cuba hosting Russian weapons and BSL5 labs because Russia is expanding the Warsaw Pact?

Of course they do: they have plenty of Russian ATGMs, waay more than 160 Jav tubes Ukraine had prior the war. And Russian IAD. And Russian fighter planes. And since Russia has no problem with NATO expansion, what does (long defunct) Warsaw Pact has to do with anything? Let's drop this red herring, shall we?

Eric Holder says

against invasion of Cuba.

Why do you want to invade Cuba?Eric Holder says

but now he's very pro-war, and especially likes the war against Ukraine

I don't think Rich is for war. What I hear him saying is Ukraine is none of our business.

Eric Holder says

Of course they do: they have plenty of Russian ATGMs, waay more than 160 Jav tubes Ukraine had prior the war. And Russian IAD. And Russian fighter planes. And since Russia has no problem with NATO expansion, what does (long defunct) Warsaw Pact has to do with anything? Let's drop this red herring, shall we?

Why did Russia invade Ukraine? Empire?

Eric Holder says

Of course they do: they have plenty of Russian ATGMs, waay more than 160 Jav tubes Ukraine had prior the war.

Source? How old are these? When did Russia do this? Are they a threat to the United States? Has the United States government objected? Have they attempted to negotiate, I mean with a diplomat, not some crazy Zionist cunt like Victoria Nuland, but with a sane person?

Eric Holder says

And since Russia has no problem with NATO expansion, what does (long defunct) Warsaw Pact has to do with anything?

Russia's main public excuse to invade Ukraine was NATO expansion. Ukraine must remain neutral, Russia has been saying this since 2014.

Onvacation says

Eric Holder says

against invasion of Cuba.

Why do you want to invade Cuba

I don't want to invade anybody. I'm exposing the hipocricy of our "anti-war" "independent thinker" who's only against wars Putin is against. Some independent thinking right there!

richwicks says

Russia's main public excuse to invade Ukraine was NATO expansion. Ukraine must remain neutral, Russia has been saying this since 2014.

So it's not a real concern then? Good on you to admit that. I do agree - NATO expansion is a red herring and fake grievance. Now, why should Ukraine "remain neutral" and what right Russia has to demand that? It's not in any treaty, in fact Russia has repeatedly asserted Ukrainian independence and sovereignty, the latter meaning that the country is free to pursue whatever alliances it deems beneficial. And why is Russia OK with Sweden and Finland not being neutral anymore? Shouldn't Sweden and Finland "remain neutral"? What's the difference (except wanting to restore the USSR and Sweden wasn't a part of that shit).

""NANCY SHOWDOWN" a DISTRACTION for PRIMARY ELECTIONS IN 6 STATES?"https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=204643

China cooperating with the distraction?
"hmmmm maybe this is the reason:

Primary Election Day in these states

• Arizona
• Kansas
• Michigan
• Missouri
• Ohio
• Washington

***anything to keep people from voting and KEEP THEM OCCUPIED watching the S***show!"

"Pelosi's plane landed safely n the capital city of Taiwan"

OK, the body double allegedly landed in Taiwan without incident. It was a distraction, all a show, to fuck the primary elections. The underhanded agendas emerge? Also some kind of feint to make Pelosi look like she is a brave warrior? A pox on these depraved idiots on both sides.

Major Global sleight of hand and bullshit, AGAIN!

Eric Holder says

I don't want to invade anybody. I'm exposing the hipocricy of our "anti-war" "independent thinker" who's only against wars Putin is against. Some independent thinking right there!

What do you think my position is? I've explained it repeatedly. Explain, in detail, what you think my actual position on wars that the US government brings us into, and the result of US intervention.

You constantly strawman my positions. To put an end to this, I want you to make a full strawman, and I will take that, and turn it into my ACTUAL position.

I'm tired of endless argument. There's no hypocrisy in my viewpoint that I'm aware of but if there is, I will eliminate it.

I find NOTHING but hypocrisy with you. If the US can lie to blow up Iraq and kill 100,000 to 800,000 people and this is "legal under international law" - why can't Russia do the same to Ukraine? They're just murdering people and making up a complete bullshit excuse to do it. What's wrong with that? The US does it all the fucking time. I mean, Shock and Awe, they LEVELED city blocks just to get the population so afraid, they would turn against their government.

They are doing this in Syria now.

You think there was something wrong with that? If not, why the fuck have you never spoken out against it?

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

Of course they do: they have plenty of Russian ATGMs, waay more than 160 Jav tubes Ukraine had prior the war.

Source? How old are these? When did Russia do this?

Now you want a source? Where is your source for "scary NATO weapons stationed in Ukraine"? Especially the kind capable to threaten a nuclear power with the 2nd military in the world. You consistently failed to provide anything on this subject (beyond bunch of blankets provided by Obama and 160 Jav tubes provided by Trump which are common knowledge ).

Cuban military is and has always been armed by Russia. So whatever they have is Russian weapons. And they are not exactly unarmed. So there we have it: Cuba is hosting Russian weapons. And since Russia is a member of a CSTO Cuba is hosting CSTO weapons.

All boxes are ticked. Shall we invade?

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

I don't want to invade anybody. I'm exposing the hipocricy of our "anti-war" "independent thinker" who's only against wars Putin is against. Some independent thinking right there!

What do you think my position is? I've explained it repeatedly.

Yes, you did. You support the invasion of Ukraine. So it this, and only this case, you are pro-war. Isn't it curious?

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Russia's main public excuse to invade Ukraine was NATO expansion. Ukraine must remain neutral, Russia has been saying this since 2014.

So it's not a real concern then? Good on you to admit that.

Again, another fucking stawman.

I'm stating this is Russia's STATED objective. I don't know if they're being honest or not. I know that the US always, and I mean ALWAYS, lies about its wars, but I'm not certain Russia is being dishonest. What do you think their actual objective is?

I know the US lies claiming that Russia intends to rebuild the USSR. Well, if that were true, the would have taken over S. Ossetia and Georgia years ago when Mikheil Saakashvili was president - he began an attack against S. Ossetia in much the same way Arseniy Yatseniuk did against the Donbass. The situation was quite similar. S. Ossetia asked Russia for help, and Russia went in did.

Eric Holder says

I do agree - NATO expansion is a red herring and fake grievance. Now, why should Ukraine "remain neutral" and what right Russia has the right to demand that? It's not in any treaty, in fact Russia has repeatedly asserted Ukrainian independence and sovereignty, the latter meaning that the country is free to pursue whatever alliances it deems beneficial. And why is Russia OK with Sweden and Finland not being neutral anymore? Shouldn't Sweden and Finland "remain neutral"? What's the difference (except wanting to restore the USSR and Sweden wasn't a part of that shit).

I'm going to ignore the rest of this since you are again, strawmanning my position.

You pretend not to understand me, then expect me to defend a position I don't hold OR explain AGAIN how you made a "mistake" in interpreting what I said.

What I know, with absolute certainty, is the United States federal government is lying about everything in this conflict, again. That's all they ever do, and if they have to lie to gain my support, they don't deserve my support. It's that simple.

I don't have to understand the actual reasons of why the United States is backing Ukraine, I can speculate about it (for example, it appears that the last 20 years of wars in the Middle East and so on MOSTLY has to do with competing against Russian to provide Europe with Energy, certain this is the case with Syria, at least partially with Iraq, and quite probably with Libya) but I don't have to know. I just know that the truth of why the US is involved isn't a good enough explanation to get the dumb, stupid public, on board with it.