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WookieMan
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2022 Aug 19, 11:39am
WookieMan
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2022 Aug 19, 11:39am
Sucks. But that's what the flu is. You've likely built up antibodies agains other strains. So the first few hits of covid are likely to be unpleasant. It's a flu strain. Not much else to it.
If you're older your body has no natural immunity and will hit harder. I've been sick twice and tested negative, so who knows. My sense of smell is toast, gone for the most part besides pungent odors. I can taste though. It's weird. Could be natural aging, but going from a level 10 sense of smell to a 2 or 3 is fucked up.
Heal up. Either the tests are shit or it's generally not that severe in most people. Still don't know of any hospitalizations or deaths personally. (not friends of friends scenarios).
If you're older your body has no natural immunity and will hit harder. I've been sick twice and tested negative, so who knows. My sense of smell is toast, gone for the most part besides pungent odors. I can taste though. It's weird. Could be natural aging, but going from a level 10 sense of smell to a 2 or 3 is fucked up.
Heal up. Either the tests are shit or it's generally not that severe in most people. Still don't know of any hospitalizations or deaths personally. (not friends of friends scenarios).
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
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2022 Aug 19, 1:16pm
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
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2022 Aug 19, 1:16pm
I’ve either never had it or experienced no symptoms. Both times I’ve been sick since March 2020, I tested for Covid and was negative
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WookieMan
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2022 Aug 19, 1:45pm
WookieMan
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2022 Aug 19, 1:45pm
FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
I'm at the point that it's made up. Tin foil hat shit. But nothing leads me to believe it. Someone I should have personally known should have died for the reaction. That didn't happen. Instead it was just labeled dangerous and we were all fucked.
I’ve either never had it or experienced no symptoms. Both times I’ve been sick since March 2020, I tested for Covid and was negative
I'm at the point that it's made up. Tin foil hat shit. But nothing leads me to believe it. Someone I should have personally known should have died for the reaction. That didn't happen. Instead it was just labeled dangerous and we were all fucked.
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Al_Sharpton_for_President
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2022 Aug 19, 3:10pm
Al_Sharpton_for_President
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2022 Aug 19, 3:10pm
Sorry to hear it. How do you think you got it? Kids, wife, mass transit, work? And if you do not mind me asking, how is your health in general? Overweight/obese? Co-morbidities like diabetes, HBP, COPD? Exercise, outdoors activities? Taking immunosuppressants? Do you get sick often, besides the coof?
I am curious because (knock on wood) unvaxxed me hasn't been symptomatic and my vaxxed not boosted wife also has been unsymptomatic. Never got PCR'd. A 30 year-old vaxxed and boosted relative has gotten it twice, laid up in bed for days both times.
I am curious because (knock on wood) unvaxxed me hasn't been symptomatic and my vaxxed not boosted wife also has been unsymptomatic. Never got PCR'd. A 30 year-old vaxxed and boosted relative has gotten it twice, laid up in bed for days both times.
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GNL
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2022 Aug 19, 3:27pm
GNL
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2022 Aug 19, 3:27pm
Al_Sharpton_for_President says
I'm 56, 6 feet and 198 lbs. No health issues. I'd say I'm moderately active. I got it from my wife. I get a cold or flu once a year.
Sorry to hear it. How do you think you got it? Kids, wife, mass transit, work? And if you do not mind me asking, how is your health in general? Overweight/obese? Co-morbidities like diabetes, HBP, COPD? Exercise, outdoors activities? Taking immunosuppressants? Do you get sick often, besides the coof?
I am curious because (knock on wood) unvaxxed me hasn't been symptomatic and my vaxxed not boosted wife also has been unsymptomatic. Never got PCR'd. A 30 year-old vaxxed and boosted relative has gotten it twice, laid up in bed for days both times.
I'm 56, 6 feet and 198 lbs. No health issues. I'd say I'm moderately active. I got it from my wife. I get a cold or flu once a year.
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Patrick
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2022 Aug 19, 3:41pm
Patrick
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2022 Aug 19, 3:41pm
My wife had it about 6 months ago and tested positive. She had to test all the time because of a profoundly stupid rule for teachers even though no kids are at risk in the least.
She was ill for about 2 weeks total, and then got entirely better.
I did not catch it from her, which I think illustrates the natural immunity I got from catching it in November 2019, before it was officially a thing. Of course I couldn't test back then because there were no tests and no one suspected anything unusual, but I do remember thinking how odd it was that everyone in the office got sick on the same day, and that it was an unusual cold because there was an odd metallic smell to it. I've read that that is a common symptom:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.26.20239152v1.full
But aside from that, it was just a mild cold for me and went away in a few days.
She was ill for about 2 weeks total, and then got entirely better.
I did not catch it from her, which I think illustrates the natural immunity I got from catching it in November 2019, before it was officially a thing. Of course I couldn't test back then because there were no tests and no one suspected anything unusual, but I do remember thinking how odd it was that everyone in the office got sick on the same day, and that it was an unusual cold because there was an odd metallic smell to it. I've read that that is a common symptom:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.26.20239152v1.full
People reported pervasive “off” smells, or a metallic taste
But aside from that, it was just a mild cold for me and went away in a few days.
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Onvacation
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2022 Aug 19, 3:46pm
Onvacation
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2022 Aug 19, 3:46pm
Patrick says
I caught it at work last May and tested positive. EVERYTHING tasted like burnt coffee.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.26.20239152v1.full
People reported pervasive “off” smells, or a metallic taste
I caught it at work last May and tested positive. EVERYTHING tasted like burnt coffee.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
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2022 Aug 19, 3:56pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
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2022 Aug 19, 3:56pm
We got sick a second time from the spike protein about a month ago. The symptom was stuffed nose, feeling of snot running down the throat, but almost nothing to spit out or blow out. It was six months after catching spike protein the first time. I took Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin since I worried spike protein may have been hiding out in my body the whole time, looking for another opportunity to infect me. Recovered in two days. My wife was nervous to take the medications, ended up with a worse infection(she was born with asthma, but hasn't used inhaler in years), and got anti-biotics instead. Weeks later, symptoms started coming back, and she finally took the Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin. Did a three day regime, we're both fine since.
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Booger
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2022 Aug 19, 4:06pm
Booger
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2022 Aug 19, 4:06pm
How are any of you getting the China flu more than once? I thought that only vaxxed people got the China flu more than once.
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GNL
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2022 Aug 19, 4:19pm
GNL
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2022 Aug 19, 4:19pm
Booger says
Good question. Dunno.
How are any of you getting the China flu more than once? I thought that only vaxxed people got the China flu more than once.
Good question. Dunno.
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FortWayneHatesRealtors
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2022 Aug 19, 4:25pm
GNLused says
we had covid twice too. was very light second time around, mostly fatigue, temperature and loss of taste. lasted few days. not vaccinated.
my vaccinated neighbor almost died from covid around same time, knocked him into hospital for a month.
Booger says
How are any of you getting the China flu more than once? I thought that only vaxxed people got the China flu more than once.
Good question. Dunno.
we had covid twice too. was very light second time around, mostly fatigue, temperature and loss of taste. lasted few days. not vaccinated.
my vaccinated neighbor almost died from covid around same time, knocked him into hospital for a month.
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RedStar
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2022 Aug 19, 4:48pm
RedStar
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2022 Aug 19, 4:48pm
Ive had it at least twice, pure-blood here. First time was like a semi hit me, in bed for 3 days. 2nd time was omicron, didn't even know I had it.
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EBGuy
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2022 Aug 19, 5:08pm
Booger says
BA.4/5 shows immune escape across both previous Omicron infection and vaccination.
These data show that the BA.2.12.1, BA.4, and BA.5 subvariants substantially escape neutralizing antibodies induced by both vaccination and infection. Moreover, neutralizing antibody titers against the BA.4 or BA.5 subvariant and (to a lesser extent) against the BA.2.12.1 subvariant were lower than titers against the BA.1 and BA.2 subvariants, which suggests that the SARS-CoV-2 omicron variant has continued to evolve with increasing neutralization escape. These findings provide immunologic context for the current surges caused by the BA.2.12.1, BA.4, and BA.5 subvariants in populations with high frequencies of vaccination and BA.1 or BA.2 infection.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc2206576
How are any of you getting the China flu more than once? I thought that only vaxxed people got the China flu more than once.
BA.4/5 shows immune escape across both previous Omicron infection and vaccination.
These data show that the BA.2.12.1, BA.4, and BA.5 subvariants substantially escape neutralizing antibodies induced by both vaccination and infection. Moreover, neutralizing antibody titers against the BA.4 or BA.5 subvariant and (to a lesser extent) against the BA.2.12.1 subvariant were lower than titers against the BA.1 and BA.2 subvariants, which suggests that the SARS-CoV-2 omicron variant has continued to evolve with increasing neutralization escape. These findings provide immunologic context for the current surges caused by the BA.2.12.1, BA.4, and BA.5 subvariants in populations with high frequencies of vaccination and BA.1 or BA.2 infection.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc2206576
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Al_Sharpton_for_President
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2022 Aug 19, 7:37pm
Al_Sharpton_for_President
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2022 Aug 19, 7:37pm
EBGuy says
Shades of Emil von Behring! The viral neutralization assay is really olde shyte which doesn't tell you much. Vaccine developers like it as it is automatable and gives a simple, albeit GIGO readout. Why do anything more complex that could slow down product release, after all?
Fucking Harvard hospital! That waitress in disguise Wallensky is from Harvard. Just a silly brand.
The viral neutralization assay only determines if the serum of the vaccinated blocks a virus from replicating in a sample cell line. In the case of the cited reference article, the cell line possesses the ACE2 receptor, and the anti-viral serum antibodies prevent the virus from binding to the receptor, gaining entry into the cell, and replicating. The artifical technique in no way replicates an immune system, or measures the entirety of immune function.
The limited technique cannot measure T cell response, NK cell response, macrophage or neutrophil response, antibody-dependent cellular cytotoxicity, complement-dependent cytotoxicity, etc. etc.
So you can have low titiers of neutralizing antibody as measured by the archaic viral neutralization assay, and yet still have protective immunity. MD-pretend vaccinologists have to be the lowest of the low. I take that back - public health physicians are, but then again, they ain't scientists.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc2206576
Shades of Emil von Behring! The viral neutralization assay is really olde shyte which doesn't tell you much. Vaccine developers like it as it is automatable and gives a simple, albeit GIGO readout. Why do anything more complex that could slow down product release, after all?
Fucking Harvard hospital! That waitress in disguise Wallensky is from Harvard. Just a silly brand.
The viral neutralization assay only determines if the serum of the vaccinated blocks a virus from replicating in a sample cell line. In the case of the cited reference article, the cell line possesses the ACE2 receptor, and the anti-viral serum antibodies prevent the virus from binding to the receptor, gaining entry into the cell, and replicating. The artifical technique in no way replicates an immune system, or measures the entirety of immune function.
The limited technique cannot measure T cell response, NK cell response, macrophage or neutrophil response, antibody-dependent cellular cytotoxicity, complement-dependent cytotoxicity, etc. etc.
So you can have low titiers of neutralizing antibody as measured by the archaic viral neutralization assay, and yet still have protective immunity. MD-pretend vaccinologists have to be the lowest of the low. I take that back - public health physicians are, but then again, they ain't scientists.
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Patrick
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2022 Aug 19, 7:40pm
Patrick
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2022 Aug 19, 7:40pm
GNLused says
That also makes it seem like maybe you didn't actually get Fauci Flu twice, but maybe once and then something else, or vice versa.
Booger says
How are any of you getting the China flu more than once? I thought that only vaxxed people got the China flu more than once.
Good question. Dunno.
That also makes it seem like maybe you didn't actually get Fauci Flu twice, but maybe once and then something else, or vice versa.
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richwicks
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2022 Aug 19, 7:43pm
richwicks
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2022 Aug 19, 7:43pm
Patrick says
This is a good point, how much should we trust the tests? We used to hear that people that gave up waiting in line for a test would get a positive result in the mail a week later. Maybe it's not true, but it's anecdotal.
But still, like every virus, it's mutating.
That also makes it seem like maybe you didn't actually get Fauci Flu twice, but maybe once and then something else, or vice versa.
This is a good point, how much should we trust the tests? We used to hear that people that gave up waiting in line for a test would get a positive result in the mail a week later. Maybe it's not true, but it's anecdotal.
But still, like every virus, it's mutating.
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Patrick
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2022 Aug 19, 7:56pm
Patrick
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2022 Aug 19, 7:56pm
richwicks says
And very quickly, just like the cold virus, a similar RNA-based virus. This is why the vaxx could never have possibly worked, except briefly, against one version. And why there has never been a cure for the common cold.
It's possible to induce immunity to slowly mutating DNA-based viruses like smallpox, but this misleads people into thinking that quickly mutating viruses can also be vaccinated against. They can't.
But still, like every virus, it's mutating.
And very quickly, just like the cold virus, a similar RNA-based virus. This is why the vaxx could never have possibly worked, except briefly, against one version. And why there has never been a cure for the common cold.
It's possible to induce immunity to slowly mutating DNA-based viruses like smallpox, but this misleads people into thinking that quickly mutating viruses can also be vaccinated against. They can't.
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richwicks
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2022 Aug 19, 8:07pm
richwicks
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2022 Aug 19, 8:07pm
Patrick says
It would be possible if
1) the vaccine worked
2) there were no animal reservoirs
3) it was done universally at the same time.
We should not try to cure everything anyhow, viruses are a source of our mutations and evolution. They are a part of our biological environment.
It's possible to induce immunity to slowly mutating DNA-based viruses like smallpox, but this misleads people into thinking that quickly mutating viruses can also be vaccinated against. They can't.
It would be possible if
1) the vaccine worked
2) there were no animal reservoirs
3) it was done universally at the same time.
We should not try to cure everything anyhow, viruses are a source of our mutations and evolution. They are a part of our biological environment.
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EBGuy
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2022 Aug 19, 9:15pm
Al_Sharpton_for_President says
I certainly don't disagree with that. Throw in some mucosal immunity as well for those who go the old fashioned route (immunity through natural infection). That said, the assays certainly give us a good reason why the BA.4/5 wave istaking out infecting the alpha vaxxers.
you can have low titiers of neutralizing antibody as measured by the archaic viral neutralization assay, and yet still have protective immunity.
I certainly don't disagree with that. Throw in some mucosal immunity as well for those who go the old fashioned route (immunity through natural infection). That said, the assays certainly give us a good reason why the BA.4/5 wave is
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Before I get into all of the details...no, I did not test the first time or the second time. Yes, I suppose it could be the flu but, both of these were much different than any other flu I've ever experienced before. Both times, I contracted "it" from my wife who lost her sense of taste both times.
Tuesday 3am - Extreme chills
Wednesday morning - A "kill me now" headache that lasted all day. So bad was it that I moaned all day. Not a single pain killer helped.
Slept all day and took 3 Ivermectin pills (12mg) throughout the day. Extreme fatigue.
Thursday Morning - felt a LOT better but the headache was on a low boil. Could get up and walk the dogs.
Friday 5am - Extreme headache woke me up. Took Tylenol
Friday morning about 10am - I'm about 90-95% back to normal. If I had to go back to work, I could.
I got this flu/Covid from my wife. She still doesn't have a sense of taste. This is what leads me to believe I have/had Covid. She didn't take any Ivermectin until the 3rd day. I started taking it right away.
I just ran into my neighbor who is a nurse while walking the dogs. I warned her that I was sick but almost recovered. She told me not to get tested. Haha.
Just thought I'd share.