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I always tip in cash.

A tip LITERALLY is a gift. I pay for food in cash, exclusively as well.

Fuck the government, and fuck being slaves to the banking system.

You know not claiming income saves you at least 20%. But you'd rather have the loan than more money? Reminds me of welfare recipients scared to make more because they'll lose their benefits.

The receipt is all the business keeps, the card and cash go with the waitress. So where's the proof of tax evasion?

What exactly is this guy forcing on the waitress? You consider sharing your perspective on life to be force? Sounds kind of anti-1st to me.

richwicks says

A tip LITERALLY is a gift.

NO it's LITERALLY income. A gift would be giving the waitress money before you sit down, outside of a Restaurant context.
It's like a John claiming he was just giving a girl money, after he had sex with a prostitute.

Also the most blaring crime of all is the intent of the note. With 87,000 IRS being armed and unleashed on the Conservative voters. I sense the meme in this story is a Ray Epps special. Trying to get people who get Patriotic warm and fuzzy by the sentiment to go out and spread the message. It would make the IRS job much easier to arrest them for Tax evasion that to have to actually do any audit work.

IT'S A TRAP!!!!

NuttBoxer says

But you'd rather have the loan than more money?

As someone that worked off the books from 18 to the time I got married at 27. I wished like hell I did a better job at adulting and built credit, and had a bank account, and W2, or 1099 to show income. We had to rent the crampiest shitholes, and paid the highest insurance premiums, had to drive cars that needed a small repair before every time it started.

I mean face it, a waitress isn't going to get rich hoarding unclaimed tips. It goes way further as legitimate income, than it does as extra beer money for the oldman.

NuttBoxer says

You know not claiming income saves you at least 20%.

Also if you're married or have small dependents, Waitresses get back $1,000's more than they put in.

Hey I was the Hand to Mouth King when I was younger. It's a zero sum game. Unless you can figure out a way to stay 21 forever, never lose your baby cute, and can sleep on someone's couch for the rest of your life.

The whole shtick is extremely childish: the fucking waitress probably doesn't even pay a single red cent in FIT.

Tenpoundbass says

As someone that worked off the books from 18 to the time I got married at 27. I wished like hell I did a better job at adulting and built credit, and had a bank account, and W2, or 1099 to show income. We had to rent the crampiest shitholes, and paid the highest insurance premiums, had to drive cars that needed a small repair before every time it started.

What did you do with your extra 20%? Seems like over nine years you could have saved enough to easily afford a better car, or prepay rent on a nicer place. Credit is only necessary if you don't have the cash. Same for insurance, unless you live in a communist state that forces you to carry it.

Tenpoundbass says

I mean face it, a waitress isn't going to get rich hoarding unclaimed tips. It goes way further as legitimate income, than it does as extra beer money for the oldman.

My daughter doesn't report her tips. She saved up and bought a 2012 Civic about three years ago. She rents an apartment with a roommate in a decent area. Now the dad did co-sign, but that's because it's fucking San Diego where rents are ridiculous.

Tenpoundbass says

Hey I was the Hand to Mouth King when I was younger. It's a zero sum game. Unless you can figure out a way to stay 21 forever, never lose your baby cute, and can sleep on someone's couch for the rest of your life.

So was I, until around the same age. I always buy cars cash, and never had an issue renting an apartment on my credit. Now I did W2 work, but I didn't give a shit. Would routinely quit jobs, cut my hours to surf, didn't give a fuck about working until almost 30.

RWSGFY says

The whole shtick is extremely childish

So sharing your unique perspective in an attempt to free someone from a predatory system is pointless? Let's just roll over and let the central bankers rape our asshole until it bleeds, then beg them not to cut us off from their precious "credit".

Tenpoundbass says

Yes, it's just as crass, when the Right virtue signals.

You apparently never witnessed the blow job under the table cloth.

NuttBoxer says

RWSGFY says

The whole shtick is extremely childish

So sharing your unique perspective in an attempt to free someone from a predatory system is pointless?

That was not "sharing" - that was attention whoring. And, as stated above, the waitress most probably doesn't pay any fucking federal taxes on her tips. More than half of the US population doesn't pay any FIT.

And obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4sbYy0WdGQ

I looked this up once, and it's true that pure gifts are not taxable up to $10,000. Over that amount, it is the giver and not the recipient who gets taxed. The idea is to avoid shifting of assets to avoid taxes.

But to be a pure gift, the giver can receive nothing for it. Not waitressing service, for example.

Update: you can now give up to $16,000 before triggering the gift tax:

https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/frequently-asked-questions-on-gift-taxes

Eric Holder says

That was not "sharing" - that was attention whoring. And, as stated above, the waitress most probably doesn't pay any fucking federal taxes on her tips. More than half of the US population doesn't pay any FIT.

So anyone on here, how would you communicate the slavery of the central banking cartels better?

NuttBoxer says

Eric Holder says

That was not "sharing" - that was attention whoring. And, as stated above, the waitress most probably doesn't pay any fucking federal taxes on her tips. More than half of the US population doesn't pay any FIT.

So anyone on here, how would you communicate the slavery of the central banking cartels better?

Pay her in gold bullion, duh.

Eric Holder says

Pay her in gold bullion, duh.

So given the price of gold, I think it would have to be silver. But without the card, the message likely gets missed. Also, I would say payment in silver does get closer to forcing a belief on someone as they'd have to change the silver. So the Federal Debt note is actually more subtle.

Rather than rail against someone for exposing the cartel, I think you guys should appreciate that anyone is out there trying to help people understand.

Eric Holder says

And obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4sbYy0WdGQ

I'm turning into Joe Cabot more and more everyday .I'm just slimmer and have all of my hair.
"Just give me the dollar, and keep the Goddamn what you normally do to yourself!"

I forgot that Edward Bunker was even in the movie. Did Mr. Blue show up at the robbery, or was he just part of the Diner scene?

NuttBoxer says

What did you do with your extra 20%? Seems like over nine years you could have saved enough to easily afford a better car, or prepay rent on a nicer place. Credit is only necessary if you don't have the cash. Same for insurance, unless you live in a communist state that forces you to carry it.

If you're not putting your money in the bank, then your money burns a hole in your hands. You spend it as fast as you make it. And since the late 80's and early 90's, if you didn't have credit, big down payments, and references from previous landlords, you just drifted from nice off season rentals, then have to move to a crappy rundown apartment when those rents tripled due to the season. Funny since the RE bubble and crash, there isn't a Season anymore. Every and all rents are what would have considered peak season prices back then. Not banking, also makes it hard to have first, last and security saved up, and that lifestyle makes it harder to show income. And since you're working off the books, you don't even have an income tax return check to look forward to. Which is how many low to lower middle class income earners move from situation to situation. They depend on their tax return. Well historically, single filers these days with no dependents hardly ever get any money back.

You want to go on the books and get your finances right and in order but so many obstacles. Thankfully when I left the flooring trade, and started working as a computer programmer. My tax returns paid my back taxes I owed and the earned income child credits also knocked it down.
After that it got easier. My Bass player buddy, had the same mentality, well the trade was trapped in that loop. I got out, my buddy is still living like that. No bank account, no banking account, still lives in efficiencies and roommates. I would never encourage a young person to defy the classic financial institutions and stick it to them by not having your crap together. Less they wanna end up pushing 66 with the only thing to show for it, is their next paycheck. He wont even get any SS, as he never paid into it.

All I hear is slavery to a banking system that wants to enslave you. Let me paint a SoCal picture for you. Single Mom gets on Section 8, TANF, the whole nine. Really she's married, just not in a way the state recognizes. Her husband works, but he's illegal, so all cash. Yet they have a nice house, nice cars, all with no credit. Does the state run those communist programs without a central bank to back them? No. But that is a way around your thinking that happens every day here.

W2 isn't enough anymore either. They have trouble running my credit now because of my privacy. I can't sign up Amazon, can't get a credit card outside of my credit union, no Paypal. See, it's not really about credit, it's about control.

The system you're preaching no longer works like it did. It's a dinosaur that needs to die, and it will. The future is privacy, community, local economies. Relationships. That's what's coming. Be pissed about the note and the card all you want, but that guy has a better handle on the future than we do.

Your illegal alien scenario isn't valid. If even illegals can pay taxes and get back income tax. Their tax advocates get them the biggest tax returns in America.
They have many social support options just because of their status, and also they can move through their situations, because they will tend to buy cars from Latino owned car lots, that will do creative financing to get them in cars, and will rent to them without credit scores. The same system with Americans is called a crony system, and is wrong for some reason, but when illegals do it, it's proof our System works.

Trout, one of your more interesting rants. The Mystery of Capital indeed...