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219   NuttBoxer   2023 Dec 11, 10:19am  

Pan seared some skirt steak from our local rancher yesterday, delicious!
221   Patrick   2023 Dec 11, 1:36pm  

https://transcriberb.dreamwidth.org/120139.html


Uncensored USA
( at ) CarlosSimancas
October 19, 2023
https://twitter.com/CarlosSimancas/status/1714789257011707908
TEXT OF TWEET: Best video today. This is exactly what you need to do in a situation like this. DO NOT COMPLY & STAND YOUR GROUND.

TRANSCRIPT OF ATTACHED VIDEO

TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: This was filmed by a customer inside a Wells Fargo Bank branch in Tennessee. The customer is a woman, as is the police officer and, except where noted, all bank employees. The customer's voice is remarkably sweet and calm. Source:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/outrage-at-bank-refusing-womans-money-over-masks-has-one-problem/ar-AA1iwM3H

MASKED TELLER: [inaudible]

CUSTOMER: No. Here's the options. You— I'm not putting cash through the drive-through. I'm not doing it. I put checks—

MASKED TELLER: [inaudible] person [inaudible]

CUSTOMER: No.

MASKED TELLER: [inaudible] the drive-through.

CUSTOMER: No. I'm not putting cash through the drive-through. Here's our choices. You let me deposit my money, you guys shield, you can wear your own mask, you can do what you want, it's a non, it's not a mask mandate state. So go get my money. Go get my money. Just start cashing it out, start counting. That's our choices. I'll go to another bank.

MASKED TELLER: [speaking on telephone, inaudible]

MASKED BANK EMPLOYEE (BLACK HAIR, GLASSES): Ma'am we can help you with the drive-through.

CUSTOMER: No, I'm not going through the drive-through. You can take my cash. You're standing right there. Deposit my cash—

MASKED BANK EMPLOYEE (BLACK HAIR, GLASSES): We can help you with the drive-through.

CUSTOMER: — or go get my money out. Right now. Go get my money out of the safe, go look at my accounts.

MASKED BANK EMPLOYEE (BLACK HAIR, GLASSES): We can help you, all you [inaudible]

CUSTOMER: Cash out my money. Right now.

MASKED BANK EMPLOYEE (BLACK HAIR, GLASSES): Go to the drive-through unless you want to wear a mask. [points to sign] We have masks right here.

CUSTOMER: No. Go cash out my money. There's a safe. Go start counting.

MASKED BANK EMPLOYEE (BLACK HAIR, GLASSES): [points again to sign] We're providing you options, ma'am, so you can wear a mask—

CUSTOMER: Your option is to deposit my cash, or go get my money out of the safe, and I'll take it someplace else, cause this is over. And I'm done. And I did everything everybody wanted me to do for a year. We're done. Tennessee is not requiring mandate, a mask— You are practicing business in the state—

MASKED BANK EMPLOYEE (BLACK HAIR, GLASSES): [inaudible]

CUSTOMER: Well, you know what, you're in the state of Tennessee. OK? Respectfully, you're in Tennessee—

MASKED BANK EMPLOYEE: The CDC—

CUSTOMER: —You are working—

MASKED BANK EMPLOYEE (BLACK HAIR, GLASSES): — requires us to wear a mask.

CUSTOMER: CDC does not require it. It does not require it.

MASKED BANK EMPLOYEE (BLACK HAIR, GLASSES): Wells Fargo is requiring it as well.

CUSTOMER: OK. Then go get my money. OK?

MASKED BANK EMPLOYEE (BLACK HAIR, GLASSES): We can't do that ma'am, do the drive-through.

CUSTOMER: You're not going to put 200,000 dollars through the drive-through.

MASKED BANK EMPLOYEE (BLACK HAIR, GLASSES): Just one moment. We are bringing security over here.

CUSTOMER: OK. Sure.

MASKED POLICE OFFICER [entering through front door into lobby]: Good morning, ma'am.

CUSTOMER: Good morning, how are you.

MASKED POLICE OFFICER: I'm doing well. Um. So my understanding is, is that, ah, the bank has a policy for masks. Um, are you, are you just trying to attend to one of your accounts here?

CUSTOMER: Yes.

MASKED POLICE OFFICER: OK. Um, they are willing to help you through the drive-through if you don't want to wear mask in the business.

CUSTOMER: OK. Hold on. Hold on. Why are you here? What's, is there a law that's been broken?

MASKED POLICE OFFICER: Well, it's their policy here is that you have to wear a mask.

CUSTOMER: Is there a law that's being broken?

MASKED POLICE OFFICER: Well, if they're asking you to leave, then, because you're not adhering to their—

CUSTOMER: It's open to the public and I have over 200,000 dollars in the bank here for over 25 years. So I gave them an option. I said, I'll be happy to leave, if they'll walk over there to the safe, pull all my money out, and give it to me. I'll go. There are banks who want my business. So—

MASKED POLICE OFFICER: OK.

CUSTOMER: — if they'll just pull it all out, I'll happily leave. But if I'm not breaking the law, I don't really need you here.

MASKED POLICE OFFICER: Why don't you come step outside with me, we'll, we'll talk about it, but it's not, this is not a public property. This is a business.

CUSTOMER: It's open to the public.

MASKED POLICE OFFICER: If they ask you to wear a mask inside, you have to adhere to those guidelines, and if they ask you to leave because you're not adhering to those guidelines that they've set, um, then, then you have to leave.

CUSTOMER: OK. Tell me what that law is. I'm a lawyer. So tell me what that law is.

MASKED POLICE OFFICER: OK. Would you like me to call a supervisor here?

CUSTOMER: Yeah, sure.

MASKED POLICE OFFICER: OK. Do you want to step outside with me and then I— ?

CUSTOMER: No, go ahead and call them, because I want to know what the law is. Because Tennessee does not have a mask mandate. Listen to me. This is a business—

MASKED POLICE OFFICER: I'm listening, ma'am, and I understand, I understand what you're saying but—

CUSTOMER: Listen. Listen.

MASKED POLICE OFFICER: This business can set their own guidelines as well.

CUSTOMER: But they are operating, they have, are registered with the Secretary of State to operate a business in the state of Tennessee, and they are open to the public of the state of Tennessee, that does not have a mask mandate.

MASKED POLICE OFFICER: OK.

CUSTOMER: So if they don't want, it's fine, if they don't want me as a customer, there's nobody else in here, we can stay 6 feet apart, they can go get my money.

MASKED POLICE OFFICER: Ma'am, I understand what you're saying as well, um, I—

CUSTOMER: Go get my money and I'll leave. Just tell this young man right here, to step out, go, with, take, get my money out.

MASKED POLICE OFFICER: Like I said, I'm not, I'm not going to—

CUSTOMER: Well, they're holding my money.

MASKED POLICE OFFICER: OK.

CUSTOMER: They're holding my money. They're refusing to give me my money, I've asked for it for four different people, I've asked her, I've asked the blonde lady, I'm now asking this gentleman over here. Could you just get my money out of the bank, please? Just cash? Right there, you've got a safe.

MASKED MALE EMPLOYEE: I'll have to talk to the manager on that. [inaudible] Just a moment.

CUSTOMER: OK, well, get your manager. We'll just start counting it.

[sound of footsteps]

CUSTOMER [to manager]: Can you just take my money out? I'll be happy to leave.

MASKED MALE MANAGER: No, ma'am, unfortunately we don't carry that type of cash in the branch. So with that large of an amount we would have to actually order that specifically for you. Now if you want, I'll be more than happy to process your transaction. I was with another customer, I apologize. But we'll take care of you.

CUSTOMER: Thank you, sir.

MASKED MALE MANAGER: I'll be right back.

[cut]

CUSTOMER: Thank you, sir. You have a good day now. Thank you.

MASKED MALE MANAGER: Thank you.

MASKED POLICE OFFICER: So could you just hang tight with me outside? I just want to clarify with them. To make sure.

CUSTOMER: Why? Why am I hanging tight? Huh. Am I under arrest?

MASKED POLICE OFFICER: No, absolutely not.

CUSTOMER: OK I'm leaving. I've got work to do. Thank you.

MASKED POLICE OFFICER: OK.
223   HeadSet   2023 Dec 11, 2:33pm  

Patrick says





And the judge said "Deal!"
224   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2023 Dec 11, 6:36pm  

Third World calling out First World's Greentard Bullshit:



source
225   zzyzzx   2023 Dec 12, 5:09am  

Ripped off from another thread:

226   The_Deplorable   2023 Dec 12, 12:25pm  

This just proves that words have meaning and actions have consequences...

zzyzzx says


228   NuttBoxer   2023 Dec 13, 9:41am  

I disagree with the premise of numbers being required. Every decision we make has value and influences our world for better, or worse. Although I will say number help if it's the amount of cash a business is about to miss out on.
230   Patrick   2023 Dec 14, 7:10pm  

https://nationalgunrights.org/about-us/strategy/


NAGR Strategy
A message from our Founder, Mike Rothfeld

Fellow Patriot,

Few of the lectures I give on political technology and campaigning make people as agitated as this one.

None is more important.

Simply put, politics is not about the common good, appealing to men’s better angels, nor serving our Lord.

These may be your motivations. I pray they are mine. Occasionally, they will be a politician’s motivation.

Politics is the adjudication of power.

It is the process by which people everywhere determine who rules whom.

In America, through a brilliant system of rewards and punishments, checks and balances, and diffusion of authority, we have acquired a habit and history of politics mostly without violence and excessive corruption.

The good news for you and me is that the system works.

The bad news is it is hard, and sometimes unpleasant work, for us to succeed in enacting policy.

There is absolutely no reason for you to spend your time, talent, and money in politics except for this: if you do not, laws will be written and regulations enforced by folks with little or no interest in your well-being.

The following pages may challenge everything you thought you knew about politics, and everything you have been told about politics from your high school civics teacher to the lead editorial writer in your local paper to the politics “expert” at a respected organization.

But if you read carefully and understand, you will become capable of leading a successful fight for your values. ...

Politicians - Not Education and Not Public Opinion - Make Policy
THE FIRST MISTAKE
Misunderstanding the target
The first mistake most folks make when they set out on a good-faith crusade is to completely misunderstand their targets.

Sometimes, activists make the local newspaper or media the target. The thinking goes, "If we can just get them to understand the problem, things will change." It is fortunate that this is not correct, because the media in the U.S. is overwhelmingly committed to big government, gun control, and the supremacy of state-controlled education over parent controlled education.

The fact is newspapers cast no votes.

The national evening news controls no elections. If this were not true, Ronald Reagan would never have been President.

THE SECOND MISTAKE
Knowledge will make things right
An even more common mistake is to believe that the key to victory is education.
The "education is the key to political victory" theory claims that if we educate people as to the problem and the solution, then the elected officials will fall in line.

Wrong.
Polls show huge majorities of Americans are in favor of Parental Notification before a minor has an abortion. Yet the mere mention of the issue drives most politicians into fits of terror.

Similarly, 75% of Americans oppose forced-unionism and favor Right-to-Work, yet only 27 states have laws in support of this public opinion.

It is important to understand the two reasons why the education theory of politics is a mistake.

First, the theory assumes no opposing "education" effort. This is rarely the case.

Polls showed a majority in California favored education choice, yet the 1992 School Voucher Referendum lost 2-1 on election day. Why? Because the NEA-teachers' union bosses and pro-government-school-monopoly forces out-organized school choice forces, had a more focused message, and spent a lot more money.

The second, and more important, reason the "education is the key" theory fails lies in the nature of politics and politicians.

Policy in the Margins: Why Grassroots Politics Works
It is proven that grassroots politics works.
In any given election, politicians live and die by the efforts of the activists.

Here is why:



In some local and state elections, where turnout may only be 20% of registered voters, the margin is far less than three percent plus one.

The average politician lives in constant fear of alienating any substantial portion of this key group, particularly in a hotly-contested race for re-election or to gain a higher office.

What is the best way not to alienate these voters?
Do nothing to make them mad, which almost always means - DO NOTHING.

This is why even when new politicians are elected, little seems to change. Inertia - or the status quo - is the most potent force in politics.

However, by mobilizing and directing voters rallying around a specific issue, you can change the political environment for a politician or even a group of politicians. One relatively small group can make it more costly for the politician not to act than it is for him or her to act as you want him to.

This is precisely what I mean when I say policy is made at the margins. Political success, or failure, is determined over time by the number and effectiveness of the activists.

This is also why the homosexual lobby, labor unions, and organized groups so often get legislation they want. They have groups of voters who can, and will, vote on their issue alone.

And they often have workers and sometimes money to use against any politician who crosses them.

By becoming a grassroots leader you can too.
That's where the fun, and the danger, begin.

How Politicians React to Pressure
In a better world, you would mobilize, the politicians would immediately agree to do everything you want, the policy would be changed, and we would all live happily ever after.

Of course, it rarely happens that way.

For example, when a provision harmful to home schooling parents was located in the 1994 Education Bill (HR 6), home schooling organizations directed more than a million calls and letters to Congress in just three weeks.

The amendment to strip out the offending language passed the U.S. House of Representatives 434-1.

Another amendment by Representative Dick Armey (R-TX) to positively protect home schoolers passed 374-53.

It was a rout.
The rout occurred not just because the home schooling community was so mobilized (though they were) but because they were mobilized for a very specific purpose, to which there was virtually no organized opposition.

It was an easy decision for members of the House of Representatives.

This is not the case for most controversial issues.
It's certainly not true for any legislation relating to the right to keep and bear arms, abortion, or right to work.

So how will a politician react to your organized pressure when he knows there is, or is certain to be, organized pressure against your position?

The first thing the politician will do is try to make you go away without giving you anything of substance. If he gives you anything of substance, then those organized on the other side will be mad.

Most politicians will attempt to make you quit by intimidation, explanation, or buying you off.

Many politicians - especially those used to being treated like royalty rather than public servants - may try to threaten and intimidate.

Statements such as, "If you ever try something like this again, I'll vote against you for sure," or "I'll tell the newspaper you're a troublemaker," are not uncommon. A rudely spoken, "I don't know who you think you are, but that's not how we do things here, and no one will work with you again," followed by a slammed-down phone receiver is another favorite.

Remember, you are not running for office. The politician is.
And, remembering the three percent plus one voter margin:
double your efforts to mobilize.

Most likely, a politician (whether or not intimidation is attempted) will seek to placate you by "explaining" what he or she calls "the political reality." Sometimes the explanation may be made by a surrogate for the politician: a member of his staff, a lobbyist or even, in many cases, a well-known advocate for your issue.

The message usually takes the basic form of, "I've been doing this for a long time and believe me, I share your concerns but we just can't pass that bill right now," or "even if we could pass what your people want, the Governor (or President or Judge) will kill it," or "It's the best we could do," or simply "We'll lose."

First of all, so what?
Rome was not built in a day, nor is major policy passed overnight.

Sometimes it may take years. But policy will never change if politicians never vote on it.

Policy is changed one vote - one politician - at a time.
Second of all, the reason this is often true is that politicians succeed in ducking difficult votes, thus preventing voters from ever knowing exactly where they stand.

Your job as a grassroots leader is to convey to the politician your supporters' insistence on his or her personal, public and on-the-record support for your position.

Of course, you do want to pass your legislation (or defeat your opponent's legislation), but first and foremost, you want the politician's complete public support. As an aside, a commitment in writing is better than a verbal commitment, and a vote on the most controversial piece of the bill (not necessarily final passage) is better than a written commitment.

Private promises are worthless.

When you have insisted on the politician's support for your position, they will then try to buy you off. Here is where the best grassroots leaders fail.

Power, Access and Selling Out
Politics can be seductive.
The chance to rub elbows with elected officials, being looked up to by people in your community as someone in the know, invitations to and recognition at special events, being quoted in the media, helping to write "acceptable" compromise language, an appointment to some committee or task force, or even a paid job in the politician's office or campaign - all this could be yours if you become a grassroots leader.

These are the trinkets for which leaders sell out their political agenda.

Of course, most everyone thinks themselves strong enough, smart enough, and committed enough not to sell out. Few people are.

Before long, instead of delivering to the politician the grassroots' message to pass or defeat specific legislation, you become the politician's representative, telling grassroots activists what they must settle for.

Right now, today, decide whether you want access or power.
Access is calling a politician and having him take your call. He listens to what you want, and may or may not do it. It is what most grassroots leaders end up settling for. This is the way most non-controversial (e.g. business accounting before Enron) and high-interest versus low-opposition (e.g. farm subsidies) political business is done.

Power is the ability to tell a politician what you want, and either get it or deliver substantial pain (maybe even get a new politician) at the next election. This is the ONLY way ideological, controversial legislation can be passed or defeated (e.g. abortion, guns or homosexual special rights).

Again, I urge you to remember the three percent plus one voter.

You and your grassroots group may be able to single-handedly bring the politician down. Or perhaps you will be one of a handful of groups organizing at the next election.

No matter what, you will make it harder for the politician to win re-election, costing their campaign extra time and money.

If the politician loses, every other elected official will fear you and your group.
If the politician wins, he (and other politicians) will remember the extra pain you caused him. And he will know you may do it again or worse.

When you continue fighting for what you believe in, you will find him and his collegues more willing...and surprisingly, sometimes more gracious (though do not count on the latter, personal pleasantness is cheap coin).

As the late Everett Dirksen said, "When I feel the heat, I see the light."

Winning in the Long Run
There is a great deal more I could tell you.

Recruiting for your grassroots organization
Communicating with politicians
Differences between offensive and defensive legislative tactics
Choosing a leader who is an elected official (Hint: Be very careful)
When and how to use the media
Best practices to raise money for short-term and long-term goals
But what I would like to close with is the importance of taking a long-term approach to fighting for your values.

If you remember from the beginning of this article, I said the good news is the system works. I hope by now you see what I mean. Namely, the politicians are still subservient to the people who elected them... to you and me. However, most of the time, a fight to really make a difference may take years.

This is especially true the further from local politics you get.
It's true home schooling organizers won the battle for home schoolers in the U.S. Congress in just a few weeks as described above. But they had spent years building their organization of home schoolers. More importantly, as I noted, there was little or no opposition to the mobilized home schooling force.

Since then, in fights to pass any kind of school choice - much more, a full tax credit - the results have been very different. In fact, President George W. Bush easily abandoned the conservative opposition to federalized education and passed the No Child Left Behind Act with overwhelming Republican support. The size and effectiveness of the advocates of bigger government schools dwarfs those of us who are committed to school choice.

When you first start out, expect not to be taken seriously; especially if you insist upon principle and refuse to compromise or to be bought off.

The key will be for you and your grassroots activists to aggressively make politicians pay a price for their failure to pay attention to their constituents (you and your group).
Every year, every session of the legislature, you must return pushing for your principles. And every election, you must cause pain to as many politicians as possible; starting with those who claim to support your cause, but vote and act in opposition.

At the same time, you should be continually recruiting more members, raising more money, and expanding the areas in which you are active.

By doing this, you can win in the long run.
232   NuttBoxer   2023 Dec 15, 6:28am  

Patrick says

NAGR Strategy
A message from our Founder, Mike Rothfeld


This guy is hopelessly lost chasing a fantasy that went out the door over a hundred years ago. I live my life based on what's right, not what someone tells me to do. Don't believe me? Look at the many examples of effective resistance I practice every day.
236   Patrick   2023 Dec 23, 3:58pm  

https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/12/21/catholic-all-girls-college-reverses-trans-policy-after-backlash


Catholic All-Girls College Reverses Trans Policy After Backlash
Mary Margaret Olohan
December 21, 2023

... Saint Mary’s College in Notre Dame, Indiana, is backtracking on its decision to allow men who identify as transgender women to enroll in the formerly all-female, Catholic institution.

The Daily Signal reported in November that Saint Mary’s College would allow men who identify as women to enroll at the college in the fall of 2024. ...

She wrote: “Some worried that this was much more than a policy decision: they felt it was a dilution of our mission or even a threat to our Catholic identity. Moreover, we clearly underestimated our community’s genuine desire to be engaged in the process of shaping a policy of such significance. As this last month unfolded, we lost people’s trust and unintentionally created division where we had hoped for unity. For this, we are deeply sorry.”

“Taking all these factors into consideration, the Board has decided that we will return to our previous admission policy,” she said. “Although this has been a challenging time for our community, we believe that the College should continually grapple with the complexity of living our Catholic values in a changing world.”

Members of the Saint Mary’s community rejoiced over the news to The Daily Signal, expressing strong excitement that the college had backed down.

“I’m so proud of the women at Saint Mary’s who were willing to stand up against this anti-women, anti-Catholic policy,” said Claire Bettag, a junior at Saint Mary’s. “God’s truth will always win.”

“When this admissions decision became public hundreds of alumni banded together to stand for the Church and her teachings,” said Clare Ath, who graduated from the college in 2018. “While I would hope the reversal is because administrators realized we must teach the truth with love, my guess is the reversal is because alumni banded together, pulled their donations, notified their diocese and media, and said we will not let Our Lady’s college be corrupted by secular gender ideology.”


Woot! I bet it was really the threat of losing donations that got the school to do the right thing and continue to bar mentally ill men from a woman's college.
237   GNL   2023 Dec 23, 5:00pm  

What is wrong with the catholic church? Religion doesn't change with society. It's supposed to be the guide of society. I would never be a catholic.
238   stereotomy   2023 Dec 27, 1:00pm  

Patrick says

Woot! I bet it was really the threat of losing donations that got the school to do the right thing and continue to bar mentally ill men from a woman's college.

Money talks, bullshit walks. The administrators are nothing but dime store whores. How else could they have been corrupted in the first place?
239   Patrick   2023 Dec 27, 6:40pm  

https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/conservative-california-town-cancels-pride-month-black-history-month-cmc/


The conservative town of Huntington Beach, California has decided to axe various month-long celebrations for different identity groups, including “Pride Month” and “Black History Month.”

In a recent vote, the town’s council decided to move towards celebrations that highlight the city’s history. This would include the discovery of oil in the area, as well as the town’s founding.

The new program is set to take off in 2024, at which point the community history celebrations will replace months dedicated to specific identity groups. This includes Pride Month, Women’s History Month, Black History Month and numerous additional celebrations that focus on specific groups.
247   Patrick   2023 Dec 29, 10:27am  

https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/nullification-bill-in-tennessee-please


Very briefly, nullification is a method for the states to assert their sovereignty rights, as envisioned by the Constitution, and to automatically reject (nullify) unconstitutional federal laws. As an example, many states legalized marijuana while it remains criminalized at the federal level. They nullified those federal laws (see, they CAN do it).

Here is a message from Karen on what you can do to push your state legislators to act (and copy TN bill):

The first thing people need to do is organize if they are not already leading a group or belong to a group

They need to get a House and Senate sponsor for the legislation

Then they need to build their organization so when the bills start moving through the House and Senate sub-committees, committees and the full House and Senate they have enough people to put pressure on the legislators. We work the people on the sub-committees and committees first. No sense in blasting the entire House and Senate before we get the bill passed in the sub-committees and committees. But many of us do speak with our individual elected state leaders.

People need to understand how their legislature works and how bills pass through the system

They need to get educated on the Constitution (the TRUTH) and Nullification. Our website provides a ton of good resources that will help people get on board quickly. I would be glad to work with anyone from any state that needs help.

Write articles for the local newspaper and alternative media sites.

Get on local radio stations.

Organize block parties. Create a flyer (we have a flyer and pamphlet on our website they could use as a sample) and walk the block placing the flyer on the front door of their neighbors.

Make your car a rolling billboard
248   HeadSet   2023 Dec 29, 2:55pm  

Patrick says





What? This is the mindset of men who pretend to be women.
251   HeadSet   2023 Dec 30, 8:39am  

Patrick says





Yes, just like home printed money, one cannot but anything with home grown food. What is the point with this cartoon? Fruits and veggies are cheap, so growing at home is more for freshness and taste than making money. In fact, the costs including time of one's radish patch may be more expensive than just picking up a bag of radishes at the Safeway.
253   yawaraf   2023 Dec 30, 3:04pm  

HeadSet says

Yes, just like home printed money, one cannot but anything with home grown food.

I'm sure that for those interested it would be possible to sell produce grown in the garden. Using your logic, I could say that one could eat the food from his garden, but would not be able to eat the money, home-printed or otherwise.
254   HeadSet   2023 Dec 30, 4:41pm  

yawaraf says

I'm sure that for those interested it would be possible to sell produce grown in the garden.

For more than it cost? Most home growers cannot even give away the excess cucumbers.
255   Booger   2023 Dec 30, 5:17pm  

Patrick says

Make your car a rolling billboard










256   yawaraf   2023 Dec 30, 9:35pm  

HeadSet says

yawaraf says


I'm sure that for those interested it would be possible to sell produce grown in the garden.

For more than it cost? Most home growers cannot even give away the excess cucumbers.

If someone uses the land that is already available to him due to his living arrangements the cost can be close to zero, especially after the first year when he doesn't have to acquire seeds anymore.

His effective hourly wage might be very low, but it might be a better use of his time than watching TV.
257   AmericanKulak   2023 Dec 30, 11:52pm  

Patrick says





Took the Romans centuries to pacify that part of Hispania.

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