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Paypal to fine users $2500 for “misinformation”


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2022 Oct 8, 5:29pm   4,942 views  43 comments

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Ok, so they put a bunch of stuff about this new policy in their EUA, that long ass thing that nobody reads. It has you agree that such a fine is reasonable, so when the company charges your account you could legally owe the money.

Aaand then they walked it back after mass outrage and name calling.
https://m.slashdot.org/story/405689

But the fact remains that they “test piloted” this fine and would have kept it if they could have.
Cancel your PayPal account today!
Send that woketard company a message!

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5   Booger   2022 Oct 9, 7:07am  

Exactly how does one spread "misinformation", or any other type of information on PayPal???
6   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Oct 9, 8:53am  

Booger says

Exactly how does one spread "misinformation", or any other type of information on PayPal???


simply by accepting payments via paypal while having thoughts that are not aligned with faggots running paypal.
7   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Oct 9, 9:12am  

also notice how it’s conveniently right before election that matters…. coincidentally obviously.
8   joshuatrio   2022 Oct 9, 10:47am  

Closed my account as well. As well as remove the PayPal option on my ecommerce sites.
9   Blue   2022 Oct 9, 11:35am  

joshuatrio says


Closed my account as well. As well as remove the PayPal option on my ecommerce sites.

“Closed” is one of the states of your account in their database. I have a feeling that lot of these big tech knows the legal ways to keep old records forever.
10   Hircus   2022 Oct 9, 11:38am  

paypal has always been a shit company.

back in the early 2000s they were notorious for freezing peoples accounts while refusing to tell them why. some people would drive to their physical office in san jose and raise hell to get them to talk to them, but I think even that usually failed.
11   GNL   2022 Oct 9, 11:40am  

joshuatrio says

Closed my account as well. As well as remove the PayPal option on my ecommerce sites.

I have a site that gives users only 1 option to pay...PayPal. This option is only for users to pay each other. All payments to me/the company must be made through Stripe. I would use Stripe instead of PayPal but some countries do not allow Stripe payments. What other option would recommend over PayPal in this case?
12   Patrick   2022 Oct 9, 11:46am  



Paypal says they've reversed that policy now, but I think the danger of using Paypal has become clear to everyone. No one should ever use Paypal for anything ever again.

I needed to pay a guy in India recently, and he suggested Paypal I said no way, nope.
13   Shaman   2022 Oct 9, 11:58am  

I hope this tanks that company. Woke should always go broke! And they’re on the pedo/trans side of that ghastly spectrum as well. So basically PayPal is run by the worst people in the world. If you care even a little bit about who benefits from your business, you’ll never do business with them again.
14   GNL   2022 Oct 9, 12:01pm  

Patrick says



Paypal says they've reversed that policy now, but I think the danger of using Paypal has become clear to everyone. No one should ever use Paypal for anything ever again.

I needed to pay a guy in India recently, and he suggested Paypal I said no way, nope.

How did you pay him?
15   Hircus   2022 Oct 9, 12:05pm  

Blue says


joshuatrio says


Closed my account as well. As well as remove the PayPal option on my ecommerce sites.

“Closed” is one of the states of your account in their database. I have a feeling that lot of these big tech knows the ways to keep old records forever legally.



agreed. my experience in software development is that accounts are rarely deleted. there's almost always business reasons why they need to keep records for at least some period of time (undo a mistaken delete, do analytics on recently closed accounts, tax records, etc), so the technical method often used is to just set a flag in their account marking it as "deleted", but nothing is actually deleted. so in reality, its more like "hidden" or "archived" than "deleted".

to actually delete the account and all traces and remnants of it is often significant additional effort, and why I rarely see anyone bother writing code to do it. the only times ive seen it is when govt regulations require deletion, or in one case a large customer demanded their records be cleaned up after X days and securely wiped or they wouldnt do business with us. but IMO its generally rare.

I do have a related tip for everyone: when you want to delete some account somewhere, edit your records first, then wait a bit (maybe 1 day or 1 week), then delete the account. IMO this is especially important when deleting an account which contains posts/messages/comments etc, such as this forum, or reddit etc... since you should assume your account wont truly be deleted, but rather hidden and archived, editing your posts/comments/reviews etc... will overwrite the stored representation in their db, while "deleting" just hides it, and allows some future fuck to go look at your archived data in the future. But if you edit all your posts to be some junk like "." before you delete the account, then thats likely all future fuck will see in your archived account. the reason to wait a day or week after editing before deleting is because they likely have daily or weekly batch tasks which run and generate and store backups and/or derivative data from the master data source (your live account data), and there's a chance they may not run some of this stuff on "deleted" accounts. I think its better if you give that stuff a chance to run and hopefully overwrite any previously stored versions they may keep around, and let it be overwritten with your new edited data. if theyre gonna store that derivative stuff, its better they store the edited data instead of the prior (real) version.

This isnt foolproof, because some systems actually store all previous versions of each field, so that they can see every edit youve ever done, but I havent encountered this too often. It is certainly less common. There is a chance though that when they archive your account, in some cases they may only store the most recent versions of everything and discard the history, and thats what we want - we want them to store all your posts / data fields as being some junk placeholder like "."
16   AD   2022 Oct 9, 12:05pm  

I wonder if Woke trial balloons like this are going to become more common.

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23   Ceffer   2022 Oct 9, 5:54pm  

Paypal probably got the missive from the Swiss Octagon "creative woke and population ritualized humiliation division" and like good soldiers implemented it aforethought. Then, they did a double take and said: "Wa, Mon, this is gonna bank fuck us big time. We no gwan do!"
27   NuttBoxer   2022 Oct 9, 8:20pm  

Blue says

“Closed” is one of the states of your account in their database. I have a feeling that lot of these big tech knows the legal ways to keep old records forever.


Usually deleted is just a flag in the database. Assume once you enter your data, it's there forever. Only way to really remove it is to change it to data that's not yours.
28   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Oct 9, 8:22pm  

Blue says

joshuatrio says



Closed my account as well. As well as remove the PayPal option on my ecommerce sites.

“Closed” is one of the states of your account in their database. I have a feeling that lot of these big tech knows the legal ways to keep old records forever.


sure its kept, but for reporting publicly they now have less accounts.
29   NuttBoxer   2022 Oct 9, 8:29pm  

GNL says

What other option would recommend over PayPal in this case?


Venmo, bitcoin, checks, cash, Zell, Gab. All these methods have various drawbacks, and I wouldn't expect Zell or Venmo to be an less woke.

I haven't been able to use paypal for about a year now. They can't tell who I am, so won't take my transaction. This seems to be a good canary. Go private, and see how many companies drop you. Those are the woke ones, and they will all reveal themselves in time...
30   richwicks   2022 Oct 10, 12:10am  

NuttBoxer says


Usually deleted is just a flag in the database. Assume once you enter your data, it's there forever. Only way to really remove it is to change it to data that's not yours.


No.

It's a database, information is never lost.

Let me explain to you the situation. A 128 GB SD card is around..

https://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-128GB-MicroSDXC-Memory-Adapter/dp/B08GYKNCCP/ref=sr_1_8?crid=2XQ1J2BXTD0YN&keywords=128+sd+card&qid=1665385346&qu=eyJxc2MiOiI0LjI3IiwicXNhIjoiNC4wMiIsInFzcCI6IjMuODEifQ%3D%3D&sprefix=128+sd+car%2Caps%2C141&sr=8-8

$18.

That can, trivially, contain more than you will type, read, or speak (in text) in a lifetime. We're moving into crystal storage, that can contain more storage than every film, every word you've spoken or heard (in audio) - and everything you read or written trivially and that storage isn't just for your lifetime, it's for 100's of thousands of years. Probably your entire brain structure to the point of recreation can be stored on it.

The final "hard disk" will be a disk that has so much storage, that there will be no point in deleting data from it. You can't delete the data on it actually, but you can mark it as unusable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5D_optical_data_storage

This is why the future of the Internet is decentralized, in control of the individuals rather than corporations. Remember, corporations have the power first, but it trickles down. On a 128GB SD Card, you can store more films than you'd want to watch in a month, if you were unemployed, and trapped into a dark room. More music or audio than you can listen to in a year without it looping, more than you can read in an 10 lifetimes.

People REALLY have no idea what kind of power they have. I could smuggle the entire plans of the Manhattan Project (all of it), up my asshole on a device that was 1/2 the cost, and still have room to have every book I've read, and you've read, and everybody here has read, on it. Need better security? Stick it in a condom and swallow it.

For text, it's not even worthwhile to delete it. It's trivial amounts of space.
31   GNL   2022 Oct 10, 9:22am  

NuttBoxer says

GNL says


What other option would recommend over PayPal in this case?


Venmo, bitcoin, checks, cash, Zell, Gab. All these methods have various drawbacks, and I wouldn't expect Zell or Venmo to be an less woke.

I haven't been able to use paypal for about a year now. They can't tell who I am, so won't take my transaction. This seems to be a good canary. Go private, and see how many companies drop you. Those are the woke ones, and they will all reveal themselves in time...

I need an api that will work in many many countries.
32   Booger   2022 Oct 10, 11:15am  

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

for reporting publicly they now have less accounts




I'd like to see some verification of this. I just withdrew my money (~$200) from it and encountered no issues.
33   Hircus   2022 Oct 10, 11:49am  

My paypal is now officially canceled. Fuck those woke sillycon valley manbun wearing bitches.

Even if some people eventually reopen their account, its still better to cancel now because there will surely be a tally of lost accounts, and other businesses will be paying attention to the number. The bigger the number, the more careful other companies will be when experimenting with wokeness, or allowing woke employees to be in leadership positions with business autonomy.
34   mell   2022 Oct 10, 12:05pm  

Closed mine as well.
35   Booger   2022 Oct 10, 12:07pm  

Will Paypal be fining themselves for releasing misinformation?
36   Ceffer   2022 Oct 10, 12:07pm  

Ebay has become a shopping mall more than a true auctions site, anyway. Laws of economic attrition have leveled it out to bracketed standards.
37   Hircus   2022 Oct 10, 12:30pm  

https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-agrees-with-fmr-president-paypal/

paypal tries to say this was all a mistake

Update, a Paypal spokesperson told Teslarati in an email:

“An AUP notice recently went out in error that included incorrect information. PayPal is not fining people for misinformation and this language was never intended to be inserted in our policy. Our teams are working to correct our policy pages. We’re sorry for the confusion this has caused.”


lol @ calling it a "mistake" and characterizing it as "confusion". For the sake of argument, if we assume it truly was a mistake, then it is still the price you pay for employing wokers who see everything as an opportunity to "fight for justice" and leverage their company towards their personal commie goals. Not that I believe it was a mistake.

Even Elon, one of the founders of paypal, agrees this attempted wokeness worship is insanity

38   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Oct 10, 2:06pm  

Paypal was on my shitlist, now double shit list. that includes Venmo, cancelled that. paypal owned.
39   AD   2022 Oct 10, 3:52pm  

Paypal stock is at $84 and at 2018 levels. It has been sliding down since $308 in July 2021.

I guess they figured they could reverse some of that and compensate for their poor customer service, etc. by going militant Woke with this $2500 penalty proposal.

Maybe they thought this would appeal to all their Woke current and former customers enough to at least improve earnings.

Paypals earnings and revenues have steadily increased annually over the last 5 years. It is making money, and for a financial technology (or fintech) company, its P/E (trail twelve months or ttm) is only 48.

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40   GNL   2022 Oct 10, 4:02pm  

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

Paypal was on my shitlist, now double shit list. that includes Venmo, cancelled that. paypal owned.

WTF, what's wrong with Venmo?
41   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Oct 10, 4:03pm  

GNL says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says


Paypal was on my shitlist, now double shit list. that includes Venmo, cancelled that. paypal owned.

WTF, what's wrong with Venmo?


owned by Paypal
43   AD   2022 Oct 10, 5:02pm  

Patrick, notice that was in 2010. That was because the Left in Silicon Valley wanted to protect the Obama Admin from Wiki Leaks.

The same crowd loved Wiki Leaks when G W Bush was President and neo cons were running things.

When the neo marxists (or authoritarian left) and Wokes are in charge, its a different matter then.

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