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I Have Some Bad News About the Economy


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2022 Oct 15, 5:36am   13,787 views  297 comments

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Accounts are widely out of balance

How bad, you might be asking yourself, will the economy get? We’re about to find out.




The orange line is US wealth. The blue line is US GDP. The gap is the amount of wealth American households and non-profits must surrender. You see, these two lines must move in lockstep. They do over time. When they get out of sync, something will put them back into sync.

The gap is debt.

Accounts must be settled. It’s called “a reckoning.” And the reckoning is here knocking on the door.

To put this gap into historical perspective, here’s an extended view of the same data with Dr. Hunt’s markups.




From 1951 to about 1997—the year the Monica Lewinsky story broke and Howe and Strauss published The Fourth Turning—the two lines moved in lockstep. Then Alan Greenspan decided to tinker, to grow wealth without growing GDP and without kicking off inflation. ...

What that gap represents is one of two things:

Money stolen from other people (other economies).

Money stolen from future generations of Americans.

How We Borrow from the Future
A few years ago, in the 1990s, we heard a lot of stories parents going to jail for identify theft perpetrated against their own children. About 1990, the government required babies to have a Social Security Number before they left the hospital. (I remember because it happened between our second and third children.)

Some shiftless parents soon realized they could apply for credit using their kids’ SSNs. They could default, and the creditor could do nothing. You can’t collect from a six-week-old infant.

This, of course, constituted credit fraud, so the parents who did this (and there were many) went to jail. (Not sure what happened to their kids who were left with no parents and lousy FICO score, but that’s not the point.)

The point is, all of us have been doing what those parents do only legally. The government allows us to run up our kids’ and grand kids’ debt as long as we do it with the government’s approved identity-theft programs.

So we did.

If you look at that chart, about 1/3 of our household and non-profit wealth is stolen from other generations or other countries. And we have to pay it back. Now. Or soon. ...

How We Borrow from the World
Some months ago, I wrote a series of posts about the US dollar (USD) as the world’s reserve currency and the petrodollar. (Here and here.) To summarize, almost all international debt is settled with USD regardless of the two local currencies involved. Britain settles its debts with Costa Rica in USD, etc. This includes the oil markets. Saudi Arabia, in turn, buys US treasuries (national debt) as a store of value for its copious oil profits. This allows the US run up massive debt knowing there’s always a market for our bonds.

Until there’s not.

Have you notice that Saudi Arbia is drifting out of the US orbit?

I wrote it about in those earlier posts, but the most certain sign of the Kingdom’s pending divorce with from Uncle Sam happened this week. Saudi Arabia disclosed that Joe Biden tried to strong-arm the Saudis into delaying OPEC+ oil production cuts until after the November elections. In diplomatic worlds, this was a slap in the face insult to the US and, particularly, to the Biden regime.

Rumors say Biden threatened to cut military sales to the Saudis if the OPEC+ cuts were announced before the elections. Not only did OPEC+ announce the cuts on its timetable, the Kingdom told the world about Biden’s threat (without disclosing the exact terms or names). Among “partners,” such public humiliation is a sign of pending breakup.

In return, the State Department and Joe Biden announced they would reevaluate the US’s strategic arrangements with Saudi Arabia after the election. That should be interesting.

What it means is that the US might not have as eager a buyer for debt as we’ve grown accustomed to. And that means the price of US treasuries will decline. Less demand means lower prices. When the price of bond goes down, the interest goes up. ...

I’m not saying the Saudis are about to stop taking our checks—I’m saying the for the first time since the Nixon administration, they’re acting like they might. Which means the are going to demand a bigger discount—the difference between the face value of the bond and sale price. That discount is the interest, and the bigger the discount, the less cash we have to spend tomorrow.

That’s one way to close that gap. You reduce the amount of cash you get in return for a future promise to pay. The amount you owe stays the same, but the amount you get now gets smaller.

How Our Kids Get Their Money Back
Remember the two ways we built that gap between wealth and GDP? That’s the first way. The holder of US treasuries want to cash their bonds, and they don’t want to buy new ones.

The gap begins to shrink, and that shrinking is mostly in household wealth.

The second way is intergenerational theft. So how do our kids and grandkids force their accounts settled?

Have you heard about the labor participation rate? Have you heard about the labor shortage?

An odd thing about the jobs numbers in recent months. While the number of “new jobs,” also known as “new hires,” has been strong, the number of people working has been going down, down, down. Why is that? ...

The kids aren’t taking our post-dated checks, either. They’re simply not participating in the US economy—at least, not in the official US economy. They siphoning of that excess household wealth NOW, in the present. They are not working in ways that grows the blue line (GDP). They’re shrinking the gap by lowering the orange line (wealth).

Wonder where inflation is coming from? We’re spending the excess household wealth without increasing the products and services available to buy with it. Inflation is how future generations close that gap. They spend your excess wealth without producing. And it’s happening right before our eyes. ...

In truth, we will only lose our ill-gotten gains.

While, we didn’t personally rob from the kids and foreigners, we were participants in a rigged game—a game that’s getting unrigged in a hurry. We enjoyed the spoils of the petrodollar and zero interest rates.

This account-settling process is called a reckoning, which sound harsh because it is.

https://www.epsilontheory.com/hollow-men-hollow-markets-hollow-world-2/

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107   AD   2024 May 7, 11:10pm  

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If stock market crashes at least 20% within 3 months of the November election then the Democrats and Biden are in more trouble.



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108   AD   2024 May 8, 12:30pm  

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https://www.newsweek.com/economy-america-outlook-biden-1896902

the media trying to downplay how bad the economy is, especially with about 5 months before the election

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110   AD   2024 Jul 5, 9:36pm  

It was a very poor job report considering that over half the jobs "gains" in June 2024 were with government and healthcare.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/05/economy/june-jobs-report-final/index.html

206,000 total jobs added in June 2024 based on Biden's Bureau of Labor Statistics.

70,000 jobs added was for public sector or government
34,100 jobs added for education
48,600 jobs added for healthcare (which is primarily funded by Medicare and Medicaid)

8,000 jobs lost for manufacturing
17,000 jobs lost for professional services

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111   AD   2024 Jul 7, 8:59am  

CNN is starting to show capitulation. But I wonder if they are slow walking the reporting on how bad the economy is. This is to ensure least amount of damage to Biden's campaign.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/07/economy/stocks-week-ahead-services-sector-slow-restaurants-stores/index.html

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"A food services business surveyed by ISM said “sales and traffic remain soft compared to last year,” blaming “high gas prices in California and constant news about inflation and restaurant menu prices.”

Spending at restaurants and bars declined 0.4% in May, according to the latest Commerce Department figures on retail sales. A retail company told ISM: “With inflation continuing, will customers have enough discretionary funds to spend?”

Knightley provided CNN an analysis of government data showing that Americans in the top 20% of earners were responsible for a large share of spending on services related to transportation (air travel and cruises), recreation, food and finance.

The bottom 60% of households by income accounted for a larger proportion of spending on health care services."
112   komputodo   2024 Jul 7, 10:53am  

AD says

constant news about inflation and restaurant menu prices.”

yeah its not the actual inflation and high menu prices, its the NEWS about them.
113   AD   2024 Jul 7, 5:13pm  

komputodo says

AD says

constant news about inflation and restaurant menu prices.”

yeah its not the actual inflation and high menu prices, its the NEWS about them.


yeah blame the messenger in order to distract from the message

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114   AD   2024 Jul 9, 4:19pm  

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https://californiaglobe.com/fr/u-s-business-bankruptcies-up-40-since-january-2023-small-biz-up-60

The American Bankruptcy Institute has bad news: Small business Chapter 11 business reorganization bankruptcy filings increased 60 percent from April 2023 to April 2024. Commercial Chapter 11 business filings increased 40 percent from April 2023 to April 2024, with high interest rates and high inflation to blame.

“Fading hopes of lower interest rates are likely contributing to the increase in filings, as companies that may have held out hope for rate cuts at the beginning of the year come to terms with the reality that they will remain higher for longer,” S&P Global reported.

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115   RWSGFY   2024 Jul 9, 6:01pm  

AD says

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https://californiaglobe.com/fr/u-s-business-bankruptcies-up-40-since-january-2023-small-biz-up-60

The American Bankruptcy Institute has bad news: Small business Chapter 11 business reorganization bankruptcy filings increased 60 percent from April 2023 to April 2024. Commercial Chapter 11 business filings increased 40 percent from April 2023 to April 2024, with high interest rates and high inflation to blame.

“Fading hopes of lower interest rates are likely contributing to the increase in filings, as companies that may have held out hope for rate cuts at the beginning of the year come to terms with the reality that they will remain higher for longer,” S&P Global reported.

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Go woke - go broke!

PS. Who needs these paper money loans when you can deal in silver coins, amirite?
116   AD   2024 Jul 9, 8:22pm  

RWSGFY says

Go woke - go broke!


Thank you Joe Biden for this.

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117   RWSGFY   2024 Jul 10, 6:48am  

AD says

RWSGFY says


Go woke - go broke!


Thank you Joe Biden for this.

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Sadly, both geriatrics currently in the race lended their hand to the inflation: Trump signed $2.2T "stimulus" in March 2020
and Potato signed $1.9T one exactly 1 year later. Let's give credit where credit is due.
118   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 Jul 10, 7:39am  

I think the real credit, still to both of them, is for the Scamdemic. Possibly the biggest small business disaster in US history.
119   RWSGFY   2024 Jul 10, 7:46am  

NuttBoxer says


I think the real credit, still to both of them, is for the Scamdemic. Possibly the biggest small business disaster in US history.


The point of having a presidential republic is to have somebody at the very top making judgement calls. Obviosly a number of very bad calls were made wrt the scamdemic: aping the Chicoms "lockdown" policies, the "Warp Speed", the two "stimulus" bills, etc.
120   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 Jul 10, 8:57am  

Constitutionally, I would say guiding recommendations. But we've diverged so far from the original intent(limited government), I doubt my statement even makes sense.
121   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jul 10, 9:21am  

RWSGFY says

The point of having a presidential republic is to have somebody at the very top making judgement calls. Obviosly a number of very bad calls were made wrt the scamdemic: aping the Chicoms "lockdown" policies, the "Warp Speed", the two "stimulus" bills, etc.


Yes. We had a de-facto triumvirate running the executive functions under the Articles of Confederation. And that was deemed a failure for the reasons you mention.

That's ultimately we don't have an Executive Council like the Swiss currently do. That option was discussed by the Founders.
122   zzyzzx   2024 Jul 10, 9:40am  

HeadSet says

gabbar says






I am a bit skeptical of these "high level executives" who cannot find jobs. It sounds like entitled individuals who only know how to kiss butt in their former place of employment. If one is so skilled, why not start your own business?


If they were really high level executives then they should have plenty of money stashed away for the proverbial rainy day, and not panicking.
123   AD   2024 Jul 11, 12:26am  

zzyzzx says

If they were really high level executives then they should have plenty of money stashed away for the proverbial rainy day, and not panicking.


Good point, but maybe the majority have too lavish and expensive of a lifestyle and it would be too painful to tighten the budget belt, despite their cash savings and other assets.

I'm glad I'm not trapped in a lavish lifestyle in order to be happy.
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124   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2024 Jul 11, 5:13am  

RWSGFY says

the two "stimulus" bills, etc

Congress passed these bills. Blame those bozos.
125   Eric Holder   2024 Jul 11, 8:56am  

Al_Sharpton_for_President says


RWSGFY says


the two "stimulus" bills, etc

Congress passed these bills. Blame those bozos.



POTUS has the power of veto. And both above mentioned "geriatrics" were actually very excited about sending "stimulus" checks with their names on them.
126   ForcedTQ   2024 Jul 11, 9:21am  

Looks like firms are getting rid of the mature and knowledgeable employees that cost them more money so that they can keep doing things they think they want to. It will be hard for these actually qualified employees to be rehired if the industry is shifting to hiring mostly know nothings that are infinitely moldable and always bend the knee.
127   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jul 11, 10:08am  

ForcedTQ says

Looks like firms are getting rid of the mature and knowledgeable employees that cost them more money so that they can keep doing things they think they want to. It will be hard for these actually qualified employees to be rehired if the industry is shifting to hiring mostly know nothings that are infinitely moldable and always bend the knee.


Yeah. You get laid off in your early 50s, you stay laid off.
128   RWSGFY   2024 Jul 11, 10:44am  

ForcedTQ says

Looks like firms are getting rid of the mature and knowledgeable employees that cost them more money so that they can keep doing things they think they want to. It will be hard for these actually qualified employees to be rehired if the industry is shifting to hiring mostly know nothings that are infinitely moldable and always bend the knee.


In tech they are not getting rid of per se, just don't get pay raises fast enough to at least follow the inflation. It's not uncommon to have some wet-behind-the-ears fresh grad with latest buzzwords in their resume to get paid more than an old guy one or two rungs higher on the ladder. When layofs come it's these younguns who get trimmed first, because it looks better in the spreadsheet, both in salary and severance.
129   RWSGFY   2024 Jul 11, 10:48am  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

ForcedTQ says


Looks like firms are getting rid of the mature and knowledgeable employees that cost them more money so that they can keep doing things they think they want to. It will be hard for these actually qualified employees to be rehired if the industry is shifting to hiring mostly know nothings that are infinitely moldable and always bend the knee.


Yeah. You get laid off in your early 50s, you stay laid off.


Anecdotally it's more like 1 out of 3. Whether the ones who got hired achieved their previous TC is unknown though.
130   AD   2024 Jul 11, 8:55pm  

The "middle household" (below the top 10% and above the bottom 50%) owns about 30.6% of household wealth in the USA.

The top 50% owns 97.5% of household wealth in the USA. That is some serious bifurcation going on in the USA economy.

Read below.

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From Federal Reserve Bank of St Louis webpage " The State of U.S. Wealth Inequality "

https://www.stlouisfed.org/institute-for-economic-equity/the-state-of-us-wealth-inequality

For the 4th quarter of 2023:

The top 10% of households by wealth had $6.7 million on average. As a group, they held 66.9% of total household wealth.

The bottom 50% of households by wealth had $50,000 on average. As a group, they held only 2.5% of total household wealth.
131   AD   2024 Jul 11, 11:28pm  

Money supply M2 should be around $19 trillion (based on continuing linear trend from January 2015).

Still a lot of liquidity in the economy though not as much relatively based on inflation.

Hopefully it stays around $21 trillion long enough for it to fall back on the linear trend line.

M2 :
January 2015: $11.8 trillion
February 2020: $15.4 trillion
March 2022: $21.7 trillion (all time high)
current : $20.95 trillion

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL

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133   AD   2024 Jul 24, 9:30pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says






https://www.wftv.com/news/local/us-home-prices-are-most-expensive-they-have-ever-been/N5S4XPJGJJFGBHESUBSJMLZ4U4/

ORLANDO, Fla. — Home prices in the U.S. are the most expensive they have ever been.

The National Association of Realtors says the median price of a previously owned home increased to nearly $427,000 last month.

June was also the 12th month in a row in which prices increased on an annual basis.
134   AmericanKulak   2024 Jul 24, 10:11pm  

AD says


The National Association of Realtors says the median price of a previously owned home increased to nearly $427,000 last month.

I'm gonna get you the Orlando SpaceX Skyrocketing inventory. That's the median sold price, only McMansions are selling because only those with money are buying. And you can't spit without hitting the side of a halfway finished multifamily development thanks to COVID... thousands of them are coming online every month ready to knock the shit out of rental prices.

And the best thing, all the Boomer handymen are retiring or semi-retiring. The days of rental managers have a desperate army of cheap handymen who will work for $13/hr for a shitty 70/30 PPO with $30 copays and do hit a new job every half hour with the property manager breathing down their neck, and then doing valet trash service off the clock to keep their jobs, is history.

I talked to some smart Zoomer guys who did a year during COVID, got the training and the skill, and now are demanding the property manager give them $50 just to show up. Another $50 to grout a piece of tile or caulk a window for 10 minutes.

Nobody is gonna be a turkey sucker doing a jive job for chump change no more.

The War on the Trades is a chicken coming home to roost, giving their condo or HOA fees a high cost Boost.
135   AD   2024 Jul 24, 10:38pm  

AmericanKulak says

And the best thing, all the Boomer handymen are retiring or semi-retiring. The days of rental managers have a desperate army of cheap handymen who will work for $13/hr for a shitty 70/30 PPO with $30 copays and do hit a new job every half hour with the property manager breathing down their neck, and then doing valet trash service off the clock to keep their jobs, is history.


I agree with you, as I see that in Panama City Beach.

Its a different generation (under 35 years old) , so I can see what you mean.

And the younger generation do not subscribe to a "plantation mindset" as far as doing whatever it takes to get and keep a job like the older generation (age 45 and older).

Also I am seeing rents "stabilize" and some dropping in Panama City Beach. 3 Bedroom townhomes with a garage in east Panama City Beach are renting for $2000, which was same price back in 2022. Back in 2017 they were renting for $1500.
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136   AmericanKulak   2024 Jul 24, 10:47pm  

My solutions are growing.... stronger


The new Death Metal Band: "VOLKER SOLUTION" (add appropriate umlauts and accents)
137   AD   2024 Jul 24, 11:09pm  

AmericanKulak says

My solutions are growing.... stronger


But PCE and CPI are each 3% so no Volker rate increase is needed. Gas prices and rent seems to be stabilizing at least.

The bureaucrats can only massage the economic stats so much without people noticing they are bullshit when they renew their lease or go to the gas pump.

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140   AD   2024 Jul 31, 12:46pm  

10 Year Treasury peaked recently to 5% back in October 2023. That was the highest its been since 2007. Its now around 4%, so it has dropped about 25%. This is a good sign the bond market is pricing in that inflation is easing, and good news for the US Treasury as far as debt service.

1 Year Treasury has been slowly declining for last 12 months also, its at 4.7% and peaked to 5.5% back in October 2023.

We've been blessed with "low interest rates" from 2007 to 2022.

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/US10Y
141   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jul 31, 12:52pm  

AD says

10 Year Treasury peaked recently to 5% back in October 2023. That was the highest its been since 2007. Its now around 4%, so it has dropped about 25%. This is a good sign the bond market is pricing in that inflation is easing, and good news for the US Treasury as far as debt service.

1 Year Treasury has been slowly declining for last 12 months also, its at 4.7% and peaked to 5.5% back in October 2023.

We've been blessed with "low interest rates" from 2007 to 2022.

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/US10Y


Sure you don't want to post this in the BRICS fluffing thread? You know, the one with all the 'solid' claims that the entire world is going to abandon USTs for BRICS imaginary money?
142   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jul 31, 12:55pm  

Or rather, they are factoring in that the Fed is really serious about this to the point that they won't even give a token rate cut (25 to 50 basis points) to bail out Kamala:



The statement repeated what it had said since the rate hikes started, to push back against voices that propagate raising the Fed’s inflation target to 3% or 4% or whatever.

“The Committee is strongly committed to returning inflation to its 2 percent objective.”




https://wolfstreet.com/2024/07/31/fed-is-silent-about-september-rate-cut-still-waiting-for-greater-confidence-about-inflation-keeps-rates-unchanged/

In the end, they will be forced to increase the target rate to 2.5% or 3%. Especially if Trump wins. But right now they seem to be holding their guns.
143   GNL   2024 Jul 31, 1:57pm  

They're going to INCREASE?
144   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jul 31, 2:13pm  

GNL says

They're going to INCREASE?


What, rates? Or the target rate?

If they increase the inflation target rate, they can keep the FED policy rates from rising and maybe be able to cut them.

But if they keep the target rate at 2%, no way. Congress will have to cut spending big time a lot sooner than later in that case too. Trump won't like that.
145   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2024 Jul 31, 2:39pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

Congress will have to cut spending big time



146   Shaman   2024 Jul 31, 3:23pm  

You know how when you’re playing Monopoly and you come from behind to start winning, but your little brother is a spoilsport so he yells and flips over the board?
That’s going to happen after Trump wins.
The finances, dollar value, and economy of the USA is held together with spit and frayed shoelaces. The oligarchy is going to just let it crater if they can’t wield total control over our government anymore.

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