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I Have Some Bad News About the Economy


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2022 Oct 15, 5:36am   13,754 views  297 comments

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Accounts are widely out of balance

How bad, you might be asking yourself, will the economy get? We’re about to find out.




The orange line is US wealth. The blue line is US GDP. The gap is the amount of wealth American households and non-profits must surrender. You see, these two lines must move in lockstep. They do over time. When they get out of sync, something will put them back into sync.

The gap is debt.

Accounts must be settled. It’s called “a reckoning.” And the reckoning is here knocking on the door.

To put this gap into historical perspective, here’s an extended view of the same data with Dr. Hunt’s markups.




From 1951 to about 1997—the year the Monica Lewinsky story broke and Howe and Strauss published The Fourth Turning—the two lines moved in lockstep. Then Alan Greenspan decided to tinker, to grow wealth without growing GDP and without kicking off inflation. ...

What that gap represents is one of two things:

Money stolen from other people (other economies).

Money stolen from future generations of Americans.

How We Borrow from the Future
A few years ago, in the 1990s, we heard a lot of stories parents going to jail for identify theft perpetrated against their own children. About 1990, the government required babies to have a Social Security Number before they left the hospital. (I remember because it happened between our second and third children.)

Some shiftless parents soon realized they could apply for credit using their kids’ SSNs. They could default, and the creditor could do nothing. You can’t collect from a six-week-old infant.

This, of course, constituted credit fraud, so the parents who did this (and there were many) went to jail. (Not sure what happened to their kids who were left with no parents and lousy FICO score, but that’s not the point.)

The point is, all of us have been doing what those parents do only legally. The government allows us to run up our kids’ and grand kids’ debt as long as we do it with the government’s approved identity-theft programs.

So we did.

If you look at that chart, about 1/3 of our household and non-profit wealth is stolen from other generations or other countries. And we have to pay it back. Now. Or soon. ...

How We Borrow from the World
Some months ago, I wrote a series of posts about the US dollar (USD) as the world’s reserve currency and the petrodollar. (Here and here.) To summarize, almost all international debt is settled with USD regardless of the two local currencies involved. Britain settles its debts with Costa Rica in USD, etc. This includes the oil markets. Saudi Arabia, in turn, buys US treasuries (national debt) as a store of value for its copious oil profits. This allows the US run up massive debt knowing there’s always a market for our bonds.

Until there’s not.

Have you notice that Saudi Arbia is drifting out of the US orbit?

I wrote it about in those earlier posts, but the most certain sign of the Kingdom’s pending divorce with from Uncle Sam happened this week. Saudi Arabia disclosed that Joe Biden tried to strong-arm the Saudis into delaying OPEC+ oil production cuts until after the November elections. In diplomatic worlds, this was a slap in the face insult to the US and, particularly, to the Biden regime.

Rumors say Biden threatened to cut military sales to the Saudis if the OPEC+ cuts were announced before the elections. Not only did OPEC+ announce the cuts on its timetable, the Kingdom told the world about Biden’s threat (without disclosing the exact terms or names). Among “partners,” such public humiliation is a sign of pending breakup.

In return, the State Department and Joe Biden announced they would reevaluate the US’s strategic arrangements with Saudi Arabia after the election. That should be interesting.

What it means is that the US might not have as eager a buyer for debt as we’ve grown accustomed to. And that means the price of US treasuries will decline. Less demand means lower prices. When the price of bond goes down, the interest goes up. ...

I’m not saying the Saudis are about to stop taking our checks—I’m saying the for the first time since the Nixon administration, they’re acting like they might. Which means the are going to demand a bigger discount—the difference between the face value of the bond and sale price. That discount is the interest, and the bigger the discount, the less cash we have to spend tomorrow.

That’s one way to close that gap. You reduce the amount of cash you get in return for a future promise to pay. The amount you owe stays the same, but the amount you get now gets smaller.

How Our Kids Get Their Money Back
Remember the two ways we built that gap between wealth and GDP? That’s the first way. The holder of US treasuries want to cash their bonds, and they don’t want to buy new ones.

The gap begins to shrink, and that shrinking is mostly in household wealth.

The second way is intergenerational theft. So how do our kids and grandkids force their accounts settled?

Have you heard about the labor participation rate? Have you heard about the labor shortage?

An odd thing about the jobs numbers in recent months. While the number of “new jobs,” also known as “new hires,” has been strong, the number of people working has been going down, down, down. Why is that? ...

The kids aren’t taking our post-dated checks, either. They’re simply not participating in the US economy—at least, not in the official US economy. They siphoning of that excess household wealth NOW, in the present. They are not working in ways that grows the blue line (GDP). They’re shrinking the gap by lowering the orange line (wealth).

Wonder where inflation is coming from? We’re spending the excess household wealth without increasing the products and services available to buy with it. Inflation is how future generations close that gap. They spend your excess wealth without producing. And it’s happening right before our eyes. ...

In truth, we will only lose our ill-gotten gains.

While, we didn’t personally rob from the kids and foreigners, we were participants in a rigged game—a game that’s getting unrigged in a hurry. We enjoyed the spoils of the petrodollar and zero interest rates.

This account-settling process is called a reckoning, which sound harsh because it is.

https://www.epsilontheory.com/hollow-men-hollow-markets-hollow-world-2/

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120   fdhfoiehfeoi   2024 Jul 10, 8:57am  

Constitutionally, I would say guiding recommendations. But we've diverged so far from the original intent(limited government), I doubt my statement even makes sense.
121   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jul 10, 9:21am  

RWSGFY says

The point of having a presidential republic is to have somebody at the very top making judgement calls. Obviosly a number of very bad calls were made wrt the scamdemic: aping the Chicoms "lockdown" policies, the "Warp Speed", the two "stimulus" bills, etc.


Yes. We had a de-facto triumvirate running the executive functions under the Articles of Confederation. And that was deemed a failure for the reasons you mention.

That's ultimately we don't have an Executive Council like the Swiss currently do. That option was discussed by the Founders.
122   zzyzzx   2024 Jul 10, 9:40am  

HeadSet says

gabbar says






I am a bit skeptical of these "high level executives" who cannot find jobs. It sounds like entitled individuals who only know how to kiss butt in their former place of employment. If one is so skilled, why not start your own business?


If they were really high level executives then they should have plenty of money stashed away for the proverbial rainy day, and not panicking.
123   AD   2024 Jul 11, 12:26am  

zzyzzx says

If they were really high level executives then they should have plenty of money stashed away for the proverbial rainy day, and not panicking.


Good point, but maybe the majority have too lavish and expensive of a lifestyle and it would be too painful to tighten the budget belt, despite their cash savings and other assets.

I'm glad I'm not trapped in a lavish lifestyle in order to be happy.
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124   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2024 Jul 11, 5:13am  

RWSGFY says

the two "stimulus" bills, etc

Congress passed these bills. Blame those bozos.
125   Eric Holder   2024 Jul 11, 8:56am  

Al_Sharpton_for_President says


RWSGFY says


the two "stimulus" bills, etc

Congress passed these bills. Blame those bozos.



POTUS has the power of veto. And both above mentioned "geriatrics" were actually very excited about sending "stimulus" checks with their names on them.
126   ForcedTQ   2024 Jul 11, 9:21am  

Looks like firms are getting rid of the mature and knowledgeable employees that cost them more money so that they can keep doing things they think they want to. It will be hard for these actually qualified employees to be rehired if the industry is shifting to hiring mostly know nothings that are infinitely moldable and always bend the knee.
127   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jul 11, 10:08am  

ForcedTQ says

Looks like firms are getting rid of the mature and knowledgeable employees that cost them more money so that they can keep doing things they think they want to. It will be hard for these actually qualified employees to be rehired if the industry is shifting to hiring mostly know nothings that are infinitely moldable and always bend the knee.


Yeah. You get laid off in your early 50s, you stay laid off.
128   RWSGFY   2024 Jul 11, 10:44am  

ForcedTQ says

Looks like firms are getting rid of the mature and knowledgeable employees that cost them more money so that they can keep doing things they think they want to. It will be hard for these actually qualified employees to be rehired if the industry is shifting to hiring mostly know nothings that are infinitely moldable and always bend the knee.


In tech they are not getting rid of per se, just don't get pay raises fast enough to at least follow the inflation. It's not uncommon to have some wet-behind-the-ears fresh grad with latest buzzwords in their resume to get paid more than an old guy one or two rungs higher on the ladder. When layofs come it's these younguns who get trimmed first, because it looks better in the spreadsheet, both in salary and severance.
129   RWSGFY   2024 Jul 11, 10:48am  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

ForcedTQ says


Looks like firms are getting rid of the mature and knowledgeable employees that cost them more money so that they can keep doing things they think they want to. It will be hard for these actually qualified employees to be rehired if the industry is shifting to hiring mostly know nothings that are infinitely moldable and always bend the knee.


Yeah. You get laid off in your early 50s, you stay laid off.


Anecdotally it's more like 1 out of 3. Whether the ones who got hired achieved their previous TC is unknown though.
130   AD   2024 Jul 11, 8:55pm  

The "middle household" (below the top 10% and above the bottom 50%) owns about 30.6% of household wealth in the USA.

The top 50% owns 97.5% of household wealth in the USA. That is some serious bifurcation going on in the USA economy.

Read below.

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From Federal Reserve Bank of St Louis webpage " The State of U.S. Wealth Inequality "

https://www.stlouisfed.org/institute-for-economic-equity/the-state-of-us-wealth-inequality

For the 4th quarter of 2023:

The top 10% of households by wealth had $6.7 million on average. As a group, they held 66.9% of total household wealth.

The bottom 50% of households by wealth had $50,000 on average. As a group, they held only 2.5% of total household wealth.
131   AD   2024 Jul 11, 11:28pm  

Money supply M2 should be around $19 trillion (based on continuing linear trend from January 2015).

Still a lot of liquidity in the economy though not as much relatively based on inflation.

Hopefully it stays around $21 trillion long enough for it to fall back on the linear trend line.

M2 :
January 2015: $11.8 trillion
February 2020: $15.4 trillion
March 2022: $21.7 trillion (all time high)
current : $20.95 trillion

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL

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133   AD   2024 Jul 24, 9:30pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says






https://www.wftv.com/news/local/us-home-prices-are-most-expensive-they-have-ever-been/N5S4XPJGJJFGBHESUBSJMLZ4U4/

ORLANDO, Fla. — Home prices in the U.S. are the most expensive they have ever been.

The National Association of Realtors says the median price of a previously owned home increased to nearly $427,000 last month.

June was also the 12th month in a row in which prices increased on an annual basis.
134   AmericanKulak   2024 Jul 24, 10:11pm  

AD says


The National Association of Realtors says the median price of a previously owned home increased to nearly $427,000 last month.

I'm gonna get you the Orlando SpaceX Skyrocketing inventory. That's the median sold price, only McMansions are selling because only those with money are buying. And you can't spit without hitting the side of a halfway finished multifamily development thanks to COVID... thousands of them are coming online every month ready to knock the shit out of rental prices.

And the best thing, all the Boomer handymen are retiring or semi-retiring. The days of rental managers have a desperate army of cheap handymen who will work for $13/hr for a shitty 70/30 PPO with $30 copays and do hit a new job every half hour with the property manager breathing down their neck, and then doing valet trash service off the clock to keep their jobs, is history.

I talked to some smart Zoomer guys who did a year during COVID, got the training and the skill, and now are demanding the property manager give them $50 just to show up. Another $50 to grout a piece of tile or caulk a window for 10 minutes.

Nobody is gonna be a turkey sucker doing a jive job for chump change no more.

The War on the Trades is a chicken coming home to roost, giving their condo or HOA fees a high cost Boost.
135   AD   2024 Jul 24, 10:38pm  

AmericanKulak says

And the best thing, all the Boomer handymen are retiring or semi-retiring. The days of rental managers have a desperate army of cheap handymen who will work for $13/hr for a shitty 70/30 PPO with $30 copays and do hit a new job every half hour with the property manager breathing down their neck, and then doing valet trash service off the clock to keep their jobs, is history.


I agree with you, as I see that in Panama City Beach.

Its a different generation (under 35 years old) , so I can see what you mean.

And the younger generation do not subscribe to a "plantation mindset" as far as doing whatever it takes to get and keep a job like the older generation (age 45 and older).

Also I am seeing rents "stabilize" and some dropping in Panama City Beach. 3 Bedroom townhomes with a garage in east Panama City Beach are renting for $2000, which was same price back in 2022. Back in 2017 they were renting for $1500.
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136   AmericanKulak   2024 Jul 24, 10:47pm  

My solutions are growing.... stronger


The new Death Metal Band: "VOLKER SOLUTION" (add appropriate umlauts and accents)
137   AD   2024 Jul 24, 11:09pm  

AmericanKulak says

My solutions are growing.... stronger


But PCE and CPI are each 3% so no Volker rate increase is needed. Gas prices and rent seems to be stabilizing at least.

The bureaucrats can only massage the economic stats so much without people noticing they are bullshit when they renew their lease or go to the gas pump.

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140   AD   2024 Jul 31, 12:46pm  

10 Year Treasury peaked recently to 5% back in October 2023. That was the highest its been since 2007. Its now around 4%, so it has dropped about 25%. This is a good sign the bond market is pricing in that inflation is easing, and good news for the US Treasury as far as debt service.

1 Year Treasury has been slowly declining for last 12 months also, its at 4.7% and peaked to 5.5% back in October 2023.

We've been blessed with "low interest rates" from 2007 to 2022.

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/US10Y
141   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jul 31, 12:52pm  

AD says

10 Year Treasury peaked recently to 5% back in October 2023. That was the highest its been since 2007. Its now around 4%, so it has dropped about 25%. This is a good sign the bond market is pricing in that inflation is easing, and good news for the US Treasury as far as debt service.

1 Year Treasury has been slowly declining for last 12 months also, its at 4.7% and peaked to 5.5% back in October 2023.

We've been blessed with "low interest rates" from 2007 to 2022.

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/US10Y


Sure you don't want to post this in the BRICS fluffing thread? You know, the one with all the 'solid' claims that the entire world is going to abandon USTs for BRICS imaginary money?
142   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jul 31, 12:55pm  

Or rather, they are factoring in that the Fed is really serious about this to the point that they won't even give a token rate cut (25 to 50 basis points) to bail out Kamala:



The statement repeated what it had said since the rate hikes started, to push back against voices that propagate raising the Fed’s inflation target to 3% or 4% or whatever.

“The Committee is strongly committed to returning inflation to its 2 percent objective.”




https://wolfstreet.com/2024/07/31/fed-is-silent-about-september-rate-cut-still-waiting-for-greater-confidence-about-inflation-keeps-rates-unchanged/

In the end, they will be forced to increase the target rate to 2.5% or 3%. Especially if Trump wins. But right now they seem to be holding their guns.
143   GNL   2024 Jul 31, 1:57pm  

They're going to INCREASE?
144   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jul 31, 2:13pm  

GNL says

They're going to INCREASE?


What, rates? Or the target rate?

If they increase the inflation target rate, they can keep the FED policy rates from rising and maybe be able to cut them.

But if they keep the target rate at 2%, no way. Congress will have to cut spending big time a lot sooner than later in that case too. Trump won't like that.
145   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2024 Jul 31, 2:39pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

Congress will have to cut spending big time



146   Shaman   2024 Jul 31, 3:23pm  

You know how when you’re playing Monopoly and you come from behind to start winning, but your little brother is a spoilsport so he yells and flips over the board?
That’s going to happen after Trump wins.
The finances, dollar value, and economy of the USA is held together with spit and frayed shoelaces. The oligarchy is going to just let it crater if they can’t wield total control over our government anymore.
147   AmericanKulak   2024 Jul 31, 4:01pm  

GNL says

They're going to INCREASE?


They should raise it half a point over the next 4 quarters. America can only survive if the asset prices collapse.


148   DemocratsAreTotallyFucked   2024 Jul 31, 4:30pm  

AmericanKulak says


America can only survive if the asset prices collapse.


Tell that to the Japanese. They fought against it and had 35 years of economic malaise. Right now their GDP is what it was before that happened in mid 1990s.

Fixed interests can be powerful forces. Democslerosis is the term. The last time Japan and Germany got out of that and started fresh was because of being conquered and under military occupation for 10 years.
149   GNL   2024 Jul 31, 5:30pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

GNL says


They're going to INCREASE?


What, rates? Or the target rate?

If they increase the inflation target rate, they can keep the FED policy rates from rising and maybe be able to cut them.

But if they keep the target rate at 2%, no way. Congress will have to cut spending big time a lot sooner than later in that case too. Trump won't like that.

Ok, got ya. I wasn’t even thinking of inflation target rate. Wow, if they were to raise that…damn.
150   stereotomy   2024 Jul 31, 6:59pm  

I want 15% Tbills, dammit!

I was only 12 years old in 1982, when Canadian non-callable 30-year bonds were yielding almost 30%. I was a broke kid, but damn, that was the deal of a lifetime. That's what created the monster that the insurance industry has become. They rode that bitch bareback for almost 50 years. Now interest rates are in a secular uptrend for the next 2 generations, and the insurance corporations are fucked. Wait and see what the fallout will be. Those Florida cats are getting an advanced preview.
151   AmericanKulak   2024 Jul 31, 7:01pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says


Tell that to the Japanese. They fought against it and had 35 years of economic malaise. Right now their GDP is what it was before that happened in mid 1990s.

Yep, liquidate, liquidate, liquidate. Fuck the banks and the investors. Individual productive households will quickly not only restore lost economic strength, but make the country stronger. The longer the inevitable is postponed, or they try to make a soft landing when the fall is just too damn high and gravity too tough to beat, the longer a recovery will take.

The solution is to make asset fluffers take a massive haircut. What's better for the country? Half a million people with reasonably affordable housing and income to spare, or bailing out a half million AirBNB jackasses demanding $200 because you didn't strip the bed and put the sheets in the wash?

Iceland showed the correct way to proceed. Investing is a RISKY activity. It doesn't always work out. Modern investors seem to believe they should get high returns but all risk should be paid back to them by Uncle Sam, while they call everybody else whingy victims.
152   GNL   2024 Jul 31, 7:46pm  

stereotomy says

I want 15% Tbills, dammit!

I was only 12 years old in 1982, when Canadian non-callable 30-year bonds were yielding almost 30%. I was a broke kid, but damn, that was the deal of a lifetime. That's what created the monster that the insurance industry has become. They rode that bitch bareback for almost 50 years. Now interest rates are in a secular uptrend for the next 2 generations, and the insurance corporations are fucked. Wait and see what the fallout will be. Those Florida cats are getting an advanced preview.

How do insurance companies get fucked by higher rates?
153   AD   2024 Aug 1, 4:37pm  

Even Amazon said in today's call the following, as its CEO is warning about the current economy:

" Amazon's CFO Brian Olsavsky told reporters on a call that consumers "are continuing to be cautious with their spending trading down." He added, "They are looking for deals," and noted that lower priced products were selling briskly. "

AMZN 52 week high : $201

AMZN price at close today: $184 (same price as it was in August 2020)

AMZN current price during after hours trading: $170 (a 15.5% drop from the 52 week high)

2 August 2019 , AMZN was at $91

Assume a 15% growth rate since 2 August 2019, then AMZN should be at $183

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154   AD   2024 Aug 1, 6:12pm  

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https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/01/economy/why-dow-down-stock-market/index.html

Goldman wrote the CNN article above trying to dissuade voters about the falling stock market by citing Biden - Harris regime data like GDP as a sign the economy is doing very well.

Intel today announced major layoffs, which they plan to cut 15% of their workforce.

And bond market has responded recently as far as interest rates dropping. 10 Year Treasury now at 3.95% down from its recent high in October 2023 of 5%.

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155   AD   2024 Aug 2, 1:15pm  

The goal is the opposite of "its the economy stupid" in 1992 and Chuck Schumer criticizing the economy in 2008.

The goal is for the Democrats to reach the finish line first this November by convincing enough voters the economy is at least good.

Read Mister Mish at MishTalk website. He was on target when he was saying at least 50% of jobs growth during Biden-Harris regime was from government funding like healthcare jobs (paid by Medicaid and Medicare) and government jobs.

Now that they Biden-Harris regime are running +$1 trillion annual deficits, there is still not enough money to prop up the jobs numbers.

The Democrats hope their smoke-and-mirrors routine can last before most people submit their mail in or absentee ballots in key states like Georgia and Pennsylvania.

Below is from today's New York Times, and I bet you the federal bureaucrats adjust down again the employment numbers after the election, so 114,000 new jobs is an overestimate.

" Employers in the U.S. added 114,000 jobs in July, on a seasonally adjusted basis, much fewer than economists had expected and a significant drop from the average of 215,000 jobs added over the previous 12 months, the Labor Department said. The unemployment rate rose to 4.3 percent, the highest level since October 2021. "
156   AD   2024 Aug 4, 8:32am  

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/money/retail/2024/08/02/which-well-known-retail-stores-filed-bankruptcy/74638050007

Retail stores file for bankruptcy, store closures across the country
Red Lobster, Walgreens, Rite Aid and many other retailers are battling with worsening financials.
157   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2024 Aug 4, 8:55am  

I've got the sweetest debt hangover
Sweetest debt hangover, yeah
I don't want to get over
I don't wanna get, I don't wanna get over
158   GNL   2024 Aug 4, 12:30pm  

AD says

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/money/retail/2024/08/02/which-well-known-retail-stores-filed-bankruptcy/74638050007

Retail stores file for bankruptcy, store closures across the country
Red Lobster, Walgreens, Rite Aid and many other retailers are battling with worsening financials.

I just bought some pants and shirts on Amazon. The shirts are perfect but the pants I sent back (what used to be called "Exchanged") for a larger size. Very convenient. I hate going to the store. Especially to buy clothes. I sure wish I could have seen the light on Amazon about 20 years ago.
159   beershrine   2024 Aug 4, 12:42pm  

Government Debt to GDP is tied into these charts. We we're laughing at Greece and their spending problems, now we got those same numbers. Government has grown larger than the public needs. Why don't we hear a call to shrink the size of this monster?

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