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I Have Some Bad News About the Economy


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2022 Oct 15, 5:36am   14,376 views  302 comments

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Accounts are widely out of balance

How bad, you might be asking yourself, will the economy get? We’re about to find out.




The orange line is US wealth. The blue line is US GDP. The gap is the amount of wealth American households and non-profits must surrender. You see, these two lines must move in lockstep. They do over time. When they get out of sync, something will put them back into sync.

The gap is debt.

Accounts must be settled. It’s called “a reckoning.” And the reckoning is here knocking on the door.

To put this gap into historical perspective, here’s an extended view of the same data with Dr. Hunt’s markups.




From 1951 to about 1997—the year the Monica Lewinsky story broke and Howe and Strauss published The Fourth Turning—the two lines moved in lockstep. Then Alan Greenspan decided to tinker, to grow wealth without growing GDP and without kicking off inflation. ...

What that gap represents is one of two things:

Money stolen from other people (other economies).

Money stolen from future generations of Americans.

How We Borrow from the Future
A few years ago, in the 1990s, we heard a lot of stories parents going to jail for identify theft perpetrated against their own children. About 1990, the government required babies to have a Social Security Number before they left the hospital. (I remember because it happened between our second and third children.)

Some shiftless parents soon realized they could apply for credit using their kids’ SSNs. They could default, and the creditor could do nothing. You can’t collect from a six-week-old infant.

This, of course, constituted credit fraud, so the parents who did this (and there were many) went to jail. (Not sure what happened to their kids who were left with no parents and lousy FICO score, but that’s not the point.)

The point is, all of us have been doing what those parents do only legally. The government allows us to run up our kids’ and grand kids’ debt as long as we do it with the government’s approved identity-theft programs.

So we did.

If you look at that chart, about 1/3 of our household and non-profit wealth is stolen from other generations or other countries. And we have to pay it back. Now. Or soon. ...

How We Borrow from the World
Some months ago, I wrote a series of posts about the US dollar (USD) as the world’s reserve currency and the petrodollar. (Here and here.) To summarize, almost all international debt is settled with USD regardless of the two local currencies involved. Britain settles its debts with Costa Rica in USD, etc. This includes the oil markets. Saudi Arabia, in turn, buys US treasuries (national debt) as a store of value for its copious oil profits. This allows the US run up massive debt knowing there’s always a market for our bonds.

Until there’s not.

Have you notice that Saudi Arbia is drifting out of the US orbit?

I wrote it about in those earlier posts, but the most certain sign of the Kingdom’s pending divorce with from Uncle Sam happened this week. Saudi Arabia disclosed that Joe Biden tried to strong-arm the Saudis into delaying OPEC+ oil production cuts until after the November elections. In diplomatic worlds, this was a slap in the face insult to the US and, particularly, to the Biden regime.

Rumors say Biden threatened to cut military sales to the Saudis if the OPEC+ cuts were announced before the elections. Not only did OPEC+ announce the cuts on its timetable, the Kingdom told the world about Biden’s threat (without disclosing the exact terms or names). Among “partners,” such public humiliation is a sign of pending breakup.

In return, the State Department and Joe Biden announced they would reevaluate the US’s strategic arrangements with Saudi Arabia after the election. That should be interesting.

What it means is that the US might not have as eager a buyer for debt as we’ve grown accustomed to. And that means the price of US treasuries will decline. Less demand means lower prices. When the price of bond goes down, the interest goes up. ...

I’m not saying the Saudis are about to stop taking our checks—I’m saying the for the first time since the Nixon administration, they’re acting like they might. Which means the are going to demand a bigger discount—the difference between the face value of the bond and sale price. That discount is the interest, and the bigger the discount, the less cash we have to spend tomorrow.

That’s one way to close that gap. You reduce the amount of cash you get in return for a future promise to pay. The amount you owe stays the same, but the amount you get now gets smaller.

How Our Kids Get Their Money Back
Remember the two ways we built that gap between wealth and GDP? That’s the first way. The holder of US treasuries want to cash their bonds, and they don’t want to buy new ones.

The gap begins to shrink, and that shrinking is mostly in household wealth.

The second way is intergenerational theft. So how do our kids and grandkids force their accounts settled?

Have you heard about the labor participation rate? Have you heard about the labor shortage?

An odd thing about the jobs numbers in recent months. While the number of “new jobs,” also known as “new hires,” has been strong, the number of people working has been going down, down, down. Why is that? ...

The kids aren’t taking our post-dated checks, either. They’re simply not participating in the US economy—at least, not in the official US economy. They siphoning of that excess household wealth NOW, in the present. They are not working in ways that grows the blue line (GDP). They’re shrinking the gap by lowering the orange line (wealth).

Wonder where inflation is coming from? We’re spending the excess household wealth without increasing the products and services available to buy with it. Inflation is how future generations close that gap. They spend your excess wealth without producing. And it’s happening right before our eyes. ...

In truth, we will only lose our ill-gotten gains.

While, we didn’t personally rob from the kids and foreigners, we were participants in a rigged game—a game that’s getting unrigged in a hurry. We enjoyed the spoils of the petrodollar and zero interest rates.

This account-settling process is called a reckoning, which sound harsh because it is.

https://www.epsilontheory.com/hollow-men-hollow-markets-hollow-world-2/

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137   AD   2024 Jul 24, 11:09pm  

AmericanKulak says

My solutions are growing.... stronger


But PCE and CPI are each 3% so no Volker rate increase is needed. Gas prices and rent seems to be stabilizing at least.

The bureaucrats can only massage the economic stats so much without people noticing they are bullshit when they renew their lease or go to the gas pump.

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140   AD   2024 Jul 31, 12:46pm  

10 Year Treasury peaked recently to 5% back in October 2023. That was the highest its been since 2007. Its now around 4%, so it has dropped about 25%. This is a good sign the bond market is pricing in that inflation is easing, and good news for the US Treasury as far as debt service.

1 Year Treasury has been slowly declining for last 12 months also, its at 4.7% and peaked to 5.5% back in October 2023.

We've been blessed with "low interest rates" from 2007 to 2022.

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/US10Y
141   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Jul 31, 12:52pm  

AD says

10 Year Treasury peaked recently to 5% back in October 2023. That was the highest its been since 2007. Its now around 4%, so it has dropped about 25%. This is a good sign the bond market is pricing in that inflation is easing, and good news for the US Treasury as far as debt service.

1 Year Treasury has been slowly declining for last 12 months also, its at 4.7% and peaked to 5.5% back in October 2023.

We've been blessed with "low interest rates" from 2007 to 2022.

https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/US10Y


Sure you don't want to post this in the BRICS fluffing thread? You know, the one with all the 'solid' claims that the entire world is going to abandon USTs for BRICS imaginary money?
142   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Jul 31, 12:55pm  

Or rather, they are factoring in that the Fed is really serious about this to the point that they won't even give a token rate cut (25 to 50 basis points) to bail out Kamala:



The statement repeated what it had said since the rate hikes started, to push back against voices that propagate raising the Fed’s inflation target to 3% or 4% or whatever.

“The Committee is strongly committed to returning inflation to its 2 percent objective.”




https://wolfstreet.com/2024/07/31/fed-is-silent-about-september-rate-cut-still-waiting-for-greater-confidence-about-inflation-keeps-rates-unchanged/

In the end, they will be forced to increase the target rate to 2.5% or 3%. Especially if Trump wins. But right now they seem to be holding their guns.
143   GNL   2024 Jul 31, 1:57pm  

They're going to INCREASE?
144   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Jul 31, 2:13pm  

GNL says

They're going to INCREASE?


What, rates? Or the target rate?

If they increase the inflation target rate, they can keep the FED policy rates from rising and maybe be able to cut them.

But if they keep the target rate at 2%, no way. Congress will have to cut spending big time a lot sooner than later in that case too. Trump won't like that.
145   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2024 Jul 31, 2:39pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

Congress will have to cut spending big time



146   Shaman   2024 Jul 31, 3:23pm  

You know how when you’re playing Monopoly and you come from behind to start winning, but your little brother is a spoilsport so he yells and flips over the board?
That’s going to happen after Trump wins.
The finances, dollar value, and economy of the USA is held together with spit and frayed shoelaces. The oligarchy is going to just let it crater if they can’t wield total control over our government anymore.
147   AmericanKulak   2024 Jul 31, 4:01pm  

GNL says

They're going to INCREASE?


They should raise it half a point over the next 4 quarters. America can only survive if the asset prices collapse.


148   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Jul 31, 4:30pm  

AmericanKulak says


America can only survive if the asset prices collapse.


Tell that to the Japanese. They fought against it and had 35 years of economic malaise. Right now their GDP is what it was before that happened in mid 1990s.

Fixed interests can be powerful forces. Democslerosis is the term. The last time Japan and Germany got out of that and started fresh was because of being conquered and under military occupation for 10 years.
149   GNL   2024 Jul 31, 5:30pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

GNL says


They're going to INCREASE?


What, rates? Or the target rate?

If they increase the inflation target rate, they can keep the FED policy rates from rising and maybe be able to cut them.

But if they keep the target rate at 2%, no way. Congress will have to cut spending big time a lot sooner than later in that case too. Trump won't like that.

Ok, got ya. I wasn’t even thinking of inflation target rate. Wow, if they were to raise that…damn.
150   stereotomy   2024 Jul 31, 6:59pm  

I want 15% Tbills, dammit!

I was only 12 years old in 1982, when Canadian non-callable 30-year bonds were yielding almost 30%. I was a broke kid, but damn, that was the deal of a lifetime. That's what created the monster that the insurance industry has become. They rode that bitch bareback for almost 50 years. Now interest rates are in a secular uptrend for the next 2 generations, and the insurance corporations are fucked. Wait and see what the fallout will be. Those Florida cats are getting an advanced preview.
151   AmericanKulak   2024 Jul 31, 7:01pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says


Tell that to the Japanese. They fought against it and had 35 years of economic malaise. Right now their GDP is what it was before that happened in mid 1990s.

Yep, liquidate, liquidate, liquidate. Fuck the banks and the investors. Individual productive households will quickly not only restore lost economic strength, but make the country stronger. The longer the inevitable is postponed, or they try to make a soft landing when the fall is just too damn high and gravity too tough to beat, the longer a recovery will take.

The solution is to make asset fluffers take a massive haircut. What's better for the country? Half a million people with reasonably affordable housing and income to spare, or bailing out a half million AirBNB jackasses demanding $200 because you didn't strip the bed and put the sheets in the wash?

Iceland showed the correct way to proceed. Investing is a RISKY activity. It doesn't always work out. Modern investors seem to believe they should get high returns but all risk should be paid back to them by Uncle Sam, while they call everybody else whingy victims.
152   GNL   2024 Jul 31, 7:46pm  

stereotomy says

I want 15% Tbills, dammit!

I was only 12 years old in 1982, when Canadian non-callable 30-year bonds were yielding almost 30%. I was a broke kid, but damn, that was the deal of a lifetime. That's what created the monster that the insurance industry has become. They rode that bitch bareback for almost 50 years. Now interest rates are in a secular uptrend for the next 2 generations, and the insurance corporations are fucked. Wait and see what the fallout will be. Those Florida cats are getting an advanced preview.

How do insurance companies get fucked by higher rates?
153   AD   2024 Aug 1, 4:37pm  

Even Amazon said in today's call the following, as its CEO is warning about the current economy:

" Amazon's CFO Brian Olsavsky told reporters on a call that consumers "are continuing to be cautious with their spending trading down." He added, "They are looking for deals," and noted that lower priced products were selling briskly. "

AMZN 52 week high : $201

AMZN price at close today: $184 (same price as it was in August 2020)

AMZN current price during after hours trading: $170 (a 15.5% drop from the 52 week high)

2 August 2019 , AMZN was at $91

Assume a 15% growth rate since 2 August 2019, then AMZN should be at $183

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154   AD   2024 Aug 1, 6:12pm  

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https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/01/economy/why-dow-down-stock-market/index.html

Goldman wrote the CNN article above trying to dissuade voters about the falling stock market by citing Biden - Harris regime data like GDP as a sign the economy is doing very well.

Intel today announced major layoffs, which they plan to cut 15% of their workforce.

And bond market has responded recently as far as interest rates dropping. 10 Year Treasury now at 3.95% down from its recent high in October 2023 of 5%.

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155   AD   2024 Aug 2, 1:15pm  

The goal is the opposite of "its the economy stupid" in 1992 and Chuck Schumer criticizing the economy in 2008.

The goal is for the Democrats to reach the finish line first this November by convincing enough voters the economy is at least good.

Read Mister Mish at MishTalk website. He was on target when he was saying at least 50% of jobs growth during Biden-Harris regime was from government funding like healthcare jobs (paid by Medicaid and Medicare) and government jobs.

Now that they Biden-Harris regime are running +$1 trillion annual deficits, there is still not enough money to prop up the jobs numbers.

The Democrats hope their smoke-and-mirrors routine can last before most people submit their mail in or absentee ballots in key states like Georgia and Pennsylvania.

Below is from today's New York Times, and I bet you the federal bureaucrats adjust down again the employment numbers after the election, so 114,000 new jobs is an overestimate.

" Employers in the U.S. added 114,000 jobs in July, on a seasonally adjusted basis, much fewer than economists had expected and a significant drop from the average of 215,000 jobs added over the previous 12 months, the Labor Department said. The unemployment rate rose to 4.3 percent, the highest level since October 2021. "
156   AD   2024 Aug 4, 8:32am  

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/money/retail/2024/08/02/which-well-known-retail-stores-filed-bankruptcy/74638050007

Retail stores file for bankruptcy, store closures across the country
Red Lobster, Walgreens, Rite Aid and many other retailers are battling with worsening financials.
157   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2024 Aug 4, 8:55am  

I've got the sweetest debt hangover
Sweetest debt hangover, yeah
I don't want to get over
I don't wanna get, I don't wanna get over
158   GNL   2024 Aug 4, 12:30pm  

AD says

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/money/retail/2024/08/02/which-well-known-retail-stores-filed-bankruptcy/74638050007

Retail stores file for bankruptcy, store closures across the country
Red Lobster, Walgreens, Rite Aid and many other retailers are battling with worsening financials.

I just bought some pants and shirts on Amazon. The shirts are perfect but the pants I sent back (what used to be called "Exchanged") for a larger size. Very convenient. I hate going to the store. Especially to buy clothes. I sure wish I could have seen the light on Amazon about 20 years ago.
159   beershrine   2024 Aug 4, 12:42pm  

Government Debt to GDP is tied into these charts. We we're laughing at Greece and their spending problems, now we got those same numbers. Government has grown larger than the public needs. Why don't we hear a call to shrink the size of this monster?
160   AD   2024 Aug 4, 2:27pm  

beershrine says

Government Debt to GDP is tied into these charts. We we're laughing at Greece and their spending problems, now we got those same numbers. Government has grown larger than the public needs. Why don't we hear a call to shrink the size of this monster?


Greece is currently a lot worse than the USA: https://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

We will see when the Trump tax cuts expire next year if there is a consensus between Democrats and Republicans on spending cuts to improve cash flow (i.e., reduce the deficits).

Interest rates have gone done a lot (10 Year peaked at 5% in October 2023 and is now 3.8%) so that should help with reducing debt service payments.
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161   AD   2024 Aug 4, 2:39pm  

beershrine says

Government has grown larger than the public needs. Why don't we hear a call to shrink the size of this monster?


I look back at what has been new spending over the last 25 years such as
+"War on Terrorism" starting 2001,
+George Bush Jr Medicare medical prescription funding law,
+Veteran Affairs like 9/11 GI Bill and increase in VA disability expenditures,
+Obamacare (and subsidizes for healthcare premiums), the COVID stimulus,
+Biden's "Green New Deal wrapped as Inflation Reduction Act" , etc

They are going to have to set spending increases to just below the annual inflation rate and / or small increase of taxes on those who earn a combined VA disability, military retirement, and Social Security or those senior citizen households earning more than $50,000 a year (excluding Social Security) as well as large increase on billionaires

Make those tax increases expire in 3 years while monitoring deficits and debt to GDP ratio

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162   HeadSet   2024 Aug 4, 2:58pm  

AD says

They are going to have to set spending increases to just below the annual inflation rate and / or small increase of taxes on those who earn a combined VA disability, military retirement, and Social Security or those senior citizen households earning more than $50,000 a year (excluding Social Security) as well as large increase on billionaires

Nah, good economics here makes bad politics. We have a government that wants the public to be dependent on government so policies to make citizens independently comfortable are taboo. The policy will be to print.
163   AmericanKulak   2024 Aug 4, 6:38pm  

Nikkei down 6% - circuit breakers flipped


164   AD   2024 Aug 4, 7:31pm  

AmericanKulak says

Nikkei down 6% - circuit breakers flipped


Yep Nikkei 225 down 21% from its 52 week high

Bitcoin down also 7% today, and 27% from its 52 week high and all time high. Bitcoin is at same price it was in February 2021 :-/

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165   AmericanKulak   2024 Aug 4, 7:33pm  




*CIRCUIT BREAKER TRIGGERED FOR TOPIX INDEX UNTIL 9:26:13AM JST

KOREA STOCK EXCHANGE SUSPENDS TRADE AFTER KOSPI 200 FUTURES FALL MORE THAN 5%

TWSE is down 6.9%,
166   AD   2024 Aug 4, 7:59pm  

AmericanKulak says

*CIRCUIT BREAKER TRIGGERED FOR TOPIX INDEX UNTIL 9:26:13AM JST

KOREA STOCK EXCHANGE SUSPENDS TRADE AFTER KOSPI 200 FUTURES FALL MORE THAN 5%

TWSE is down 6.9%,


What's happening as traders got triggered such as by Amazon CEO statements last week during its 2nd quarter earnings call ? He made subtle comments in regards to consumer trends and that the next quarter will be tough for the company.

The traders don't believe the bullshit economic stats and optimism being fed to them such as by the Biden Harris regime via their Democrat partners in the mainstream media.

Geopolitical instability may be another reason for the stock market decline also as far as concern this time Iran will attack Iran a lot harder then it did last time.

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167   AmericanKulak   2024 Aug 4, 8:03pm  

Well, Buffet just dumped a shitload of Apple stock.

AD says

Geopolitical instability may be another reason for the stock market decline also as far as concern this time Iran will attack Iran a lot harder then it did last time.

I don't think so. It's been the usual rockets from the 3H club.
168   AD   2024 Aug 4, 9:11pm  

AmericanKulak says

Well, Buffet just dumped a shitload of Apple stock.

AD says

Geopolitical instability may be another reason for the stock market decline also as far as concern this time Iran will attack Iran a lot harder then it did last time.

I don't think so. It's been the usual rockets from the 3H club.


That was the last "attack" on Israel from Iran. This time may be different.

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169   AD   2024 Aug 4, 9:44pm  

AD says


What's happening as traders got triggered such as by Amazon CEO statements last week during its 2nd quarter earnings call ? He made subtle comments in regards to consumer trends and that the next quarter will be tough for the company.

The traders don't believe the bullshit economic stats and optimism being fed to them such as by the Biden Harris regime via their Democrat partners in the mainstream media.


Also the rest of the market is following Warren Buffet's lead, who has sold 1/2 of his Apple stock holdings as well as other stocks.

Buffett is sitting on $277 billion in cash now after his sell off. Cash accounts for about 30% of Berkshire Hathaway's total assets.

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171   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2024 Aug 4, 9:49pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says






i don’t see congress reducing spending. they always debt spend into inflation.
172   GNL   2024 Aug 5, 5:02am  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says





So, in 1964, 2 people working 2 minimum wage jobs was equivalent to $140,000/year in today’s money? Very interesting.
173   stereotomy   2024 Aug 5, 6:28am  

GNL says

How do insurance companies get fucked by higher rates?

Insurance companies have to arbitrage risk. If an insurance company buys a 15% 30-year bond, and rates decline over the ensuing decades, then that bond is the gift that keeps on giving with 15% risk free and massive increase in the value of the bond to boot. The insurance company, if it bought a shitload of these bonds, doesn't have to do shit to earn money - it's like having a hurricane at your back. All this easy, risk-free money made the ins co's lazy, fat, and bloated.

When all an insurance company can only buy 2% bonds and rate keep going up, the values of those bonds craters. They no longer have adequate capital. Insurance companies are savagely trying to cut costs and automate.
175   AD   2024 Aug 7, 4:39pm  

Harris is lucky a lot of this bad news did not start no later than January 2024. She may be able to cross the finish line this November while convincing enough voters that the economy is doing well.

From the Daily Mail :

"Big Lots is closing up to 315 stores across multiple states as it suffers from growing financial woes.

The discount homeware chain has identified scores of locations across states such as Connecticut, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Hampshire and Vermont which are due to close.

The Columbus, Ohio-based chain has not published a full list of closures - which will mean it loses of a quarter of its 1,392 store footprint".
176   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Aug 7, 5:21pm  

When Home Depot and Lowes start closing, that should be a huge enough SHTFing signal to even the most retarded Housing Experts of PatNet.

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