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I Have Some Bad News About the Economy


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2022 Oct 15, 5:36am   20,795 views  413 comments

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Accounts are widely out of balance

How bad, you might be asking yourself, will the economy get? We’re about to find out.




The orange line is US wealth. The blue line is US GDP. The gap is the amount of wealth American households and non-profits must surrender. You see, these two lines must move in lockstep. They do over time. When they get out of sync, something will put them back into sync.

The gap is debt.

Accounts must be settled. It’s called “a reckoning.” And the reckoning is here knocking on the door.

To put this gap into historical perspective, here’s an extended view of the same data with Dr. Hunt’s markups.




From 1951 to about 1997—the year the Monica Lewinsky story broke and Howe and Strauss published The Fourth Turning—the two lines moved in lockstep. Then Alan Greenspan decided to tinker, to grow wealth without growing GDP and without kicking off inflation. ...

What that gap represents is one of two things:

Money stolen from other people (other economies).

Money stolen from future generations of Americans.

How We Borrow from the Future
A few years ago, in the 1990s, we heard a lot of stories parents going to jail for identify theft perpetrated against their own children. About 1990, the government required babies to have a Social Security Number before they left the hospital. (I remember because it happened between our second and third children.)

Some shiftless parents soon realized they could apply for credit using their kids’ SSNs. They could default, and the creditor could do nothing. You can’t collect from a six-week-old infant.

This, of course, constituted credit fraud, so the parents who did this (and there were many) went to jail. (Not sure what happened to their kids who were left with no parents and lousy FICO score, but that’s not the point.)

The point is, all of us have been doing what those parents do only legally. The government allows us to run up our kids’ and grand kids’ debt as long as we do it with the government’s approved identity-theft programs.

So we did.

If you look at that chart, about 1/3 of our household and non-profit wealth is stolen from other generations or other countries. And we have to pay it back. Now. Or soon. ...

How We Borrow from the World
Some months ago, I wrote a series of posts about the US dollar (USD) as the world’s reserve currency and the petrodollar. (Here and here.) To summarize, almost all international debt is settled with USD regardless of the two local currencies involved. Britain settles its debts with Costa Rica in USD, etc. This includes the oil markets. Saudi Arabia, in turn, buys US treasuries (national debt) as a store of value for its copious oil profits. This allows the US run up massive debt knowing there’s always a market for our bonds.

Until there’s not.

Have you notice that Saudi Arbia is drifting out of the US orbit?

I wrote it about in those earlier posts, but the most certain sign of the Kingdom’s pending divorce with from Uncle Sam happened this week. Saudi Arabia disclosed that Joe Biden tried to strong-arm the Saudis into delaying OPEC+ oil production cuts until after the November elections. In diplomatic worlds, this was a slap in the face insult to the US and, particularly, to the Biden regime.

Rumors say Biden threatened to cut military sales to the Saudis if the OPEC+ cuts were announced before the elections. Not only did OPEC+ announce the cuts on its timetable, the Kingdom told the world about Biden’s threat (without disclosing the exact terms or names). Among “partners,” such public humiliation is a sign of pending breakup.

In return, the State Department and Joe Biden announced they would reevaluate the US’s strategic arrangements with Saudi Arabia after the election. That should be interesting.

What it means is that the US might not have as eager a buyer for debt as we’ve grown accustomed to. And that means the price of US treasuries will decline. Less demand means lower prices. When the price of bond goes down, the interest goes up. ...

I’m not saying the Saudis are about to stop taking our checks—I’m saying the for the first time since the Nixon administration, they’re acting like they might. Which means the are going to demand a bigger discount—the difference between the face value of the bond and sale price. That discount is the interest, and the bigger the discount, the less cash we have to spend tomorrow.

That’s one way to close that gap. You reduce the amount of cash you get in return for a future promise to pay. The amount you owe stays the same, but the amount you get now gets smaller.

How Our Kids Get Their Money Back
Remember the two ways we built that gap between wealth and GDP? That’s the first way. The holder of US treasuries want to cash their bonds, and they don’t want to buy new ones.

The gap begins to shrink, and that shrinking is mostly in household wealth.

The second way is intergenerational theft. So how do our kids and grandkids force their accounts settled?

Have you heard about the labor participation rate? Have you heard about the labor shortage?

An odd thing about the jobs numbers in recent months. While the number of “new jobs,” also known as “new hires,” has been strong, the number of people working has been going down, down, down. Why is that? ...

The kids aren’t taking our post-dated checks, either. They’re simply not participating in the US economy—at least, not in the official US economy. They siphoning of that excess household wealth NOW, in the present. They are not working in ways that grows the blue line (GDP). They’re shrinking the gap by lowering the orange line (wealth).

Wonder where inflation is coming from? We’re spending the excess household wealth without increasing the products and services available to buy with it. Inflation is how future generations close that gap. They spend your excess wealth without producing. And it’s happening right before our eyes. ...

In truth, we will only lose our ill-gotten gains.

While, we didn’t personally rob from the kids and foreigners, we were participants in a rigged game—a game that’s getting unrigged in a hurry. We enjoyed the spoils of the petrodollar and zero interest rates.

This account-settling process is called a reckoning, which sound harsh because it is.

https://www.epsilontheory.com/hollow-men-hollow-markets-hollow-world-2/

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375   Misc   2025 Apr 15, 8:03pm  

GNL says

Where did you read this? I assume banks are declining loans to illegals because they may get deported?


I simply used logic to come to a decent conclusion.
376   WookieMan   2025 Apr 15, 9:51pm  

Misc says

I simply used logic to come to a decent conclusion.

Nothing to do with illegals. Would you turn down 25% on car you can repo in 3 months either legal or not? You're taking the deal knowing you'll have to get the car back at some point. If you get a year of payments at 25% and you get the asset back, you made bank. They don't care about your legal status if you can qualify for a loan on probably a $10k car.
377   Misc   2025 Apr 16, 12:43am  

WookieMan says

Nothing to do with illegals. Would you turn down 25% on car you can repo in 3 months either legal or not? You're taking the deal knowing you'll have to get the car back at some point. If you get a year of payments at 25% and you get the asset back, you made bank. They don't care about your legal status if you can qualify for a loan on probably a $10k car.


OK, what is your explanation as to why there is a massive increase in auto loans being REJECTED ????
378   RC2006   2025 Apr 16, 5:58am  

Most illegals i would think buy cheap cars cash, not like they are getting insurance or anything.
379   Glock-n-Load   2025 Apr 16, 6:23am  

Misc says

WookieMan says


Nothing to do with illegals. Would you turn down 25% on car you can repo in 3 months either legal or not? You're taking the deal knowing you'll have to get the car back at some point. If you get a year of payments at 25% and you get the asset back, you made bank. They don't care about your legal status if you can qualify for a loan on probably a $10k car.


OK, what is your explanation as to why there is a massive increase in auto loans being REJECTED ????

Credit scores? High DTI? Job losses? I would think Auto loan rejection spiking would be a sign of something though seeing that it’s so easy to buy a car.
380   HeadSet   2025 Apr 16, 7:12am  

Glock-n-Load says

Auto loan rejection spiking would be a sign of something though seeing that it’s so easy to buy a car.

It may be the size of the loans. Loans were safer when they were cars were under $20k than making loans for $45k and up.
381   MolotovCocktail   2025 Apr 16, 3:38pm  

WookieMan says

Illegals are a non-factor. Small used car dealers will sell to anyone with a pulse. They don't care about legal status because they can repo the car the minute you miss a 25% interest payment and still walk out ahead. That's the game.


Not if the car is south of the border.
382   stereotomy   2025 Apr 16, 4:59pm  

Glock-n-Load says

Misc says


WookieMan says



Nothing to do with illegals. Would you turn down 25% on car you can repo in 3 months either legal or not? You're taking the deal knowing you'll have to get the car back at some point. If you get a year of payments at 25% and you get the asset back, you made bank. They don't care about your legal status if you can qualify for a loan on probably a $10k car.


OK, what is your explanation as to why there is a massive increase in auto loans being REJECTED ????


Credit scores? High DTI? Job losses? I would think Auto loan rejection spiking would be a sign of something though seeing that it’s so easy to buy a car.

Most used car dealers have financing from major banks - it's called indirect lending. Even the big automakers utilize banks for extending credit for purchases. It's the banks that are dialing back lending. Dealers just plug in info and the banks use automated scorecards to render near instant credit decisions. If the banks decide that they need to reduce their book, then more rejections.
383   AD   2025 Apr 16, 5:06pm  



384   AD   2025 Apr 27, 8:12am  



385   HeadSet   2025 Apr 27, 8:46am  

AD says





This is highly massaged statistics.

First of all, it compares 1% Wealth with Middle Class Income. To be real, it should compare top 1% income earners with middle class income earners.
Secondly, no account for accumulated wealth of retirees. That is, folks with a paid for house and stocks in a 401K but little income.
386   AD   2025 Apr 27, 9:24am  

HeadSet says

AD says






This is highly massaged statistics.

First of all, it compares 1% Wealth with Middle Class Income. To be real, it should compare top 1% income earners with middle class income earners.
Secondly, no account for accumulated wealth of retirees. That is, folks with a paid for house and stocks in a 401K but little income.


It compares how much wealth or equity is owned by the top 1% earners versus the "middle class earners" (which the chart defines as 20th to 80th percentile range). Top 1% are lawyers, doctors, CEO's, Hollywood actors, small business owners, etc.

This chart clearly tells me "middle class earners" are a lot less wealthy since 1993 (Bill Clinton's first term) ; this demographic group includes the working class. The large of a wealth decrease is too significant to be ignored or marginalized.

Also what is missing from the chart is the earners between 2nd to 19th percentile.

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387   Patrick   2025 Apr 27, 10:47am  

WookieMan says

This has to be the major auto dealership or lenders.


I've read that the second big tool the Fed has to heat or cool the economy after interest rates is lending standards.

The Fed and tighten or loosen the downpayment requirement, etc.
388   AD   2025 Apr 27, 2:14pm  

Patrick says


The Fed and tighten or loosen the downpayment requirement, etc.


Right now I've read the VA allows up to 41% of household income going to housing costs. When we got our VA mortgage back in summer 2016 they told us it was 34%.

And I have a friend who recently shopped around for an apartment in Colorado Springs and those apartment complexes are approving based on a maximum of 50% of household income paying for rent.

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390   AD   2025 Apr 27, 5:11pm  

MolotovCocktail says






1) https://cointelegraph.com/news/tether-becomes-7th-largest-us-treasury-holder-stablecoin-growth

Tether, the $143-billion stablecoin giant, was the world’s seventh-largest buyer of US Treasurys, surpassing some of the world’s largest countries.

Tether, the world’s largest stablecoin, was the world’s seventh-largest US Treasury buyer, surpassing Canada, Taiwan, Mexico, Norway, Hong Kong and numerous other countries.

The stablecoin issuer acquired over $33.1 billion worth of Treasurys, compared to over $100 billion purchased by the Cayman Islands in the first place in global rankings, according to Paolo Ardoino, CEO of Tether.

“Tether was the 7th largest buyer of US Treasurys in 2024, compared to Countries,” wrote Ardoino in a March 20 X post.

2) https://blockchain.news/flashnews/us-treasury-funds-hit-record-19-billion-weekly-inflows-implications-for-bond-and-crypto-markets

According to The Kobeissi Letter, US Treasury funds received a record $19 billion in net inflows last week, surpassing the previous high of $14 billion during the 2020 pandemic (source: @KobeissiLetter, April 26, 2025). The 4-week moving average now stands at $7 billion, the highest since March 2023. This surge in demand for US Treasuries signals increased investor preference for safe-haven assets, potentially putting downward pressure on bond yields. For crypto traders, this shift may indicate reduced risk appetite in traditional markets, which historically correlates with short-term volatility in Bitcoin and altcoins as capital temporarily flows out of risk assets (source: @KobeissiLetter)
391   AD   2025 Apr 27, 9:27pm  

It looks like stablecoins like Tether will help to increase demand for US Treasuries which may help to reduce Treasury rates, and take some burden off of the Federal Reserve as far as the Federal Reserve buying US Treasuries.

Banks still have unrealized losses on their books because of US Treasuries decreasing in price from 2022 to 2024. Examine what happened with Silicon Valley Bank. Hopefully these unrealized losses will continue to decrease so the banks return to positive equity within 5 years.

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392   MolotovCocktail   2025 Apr 28, 2:29pm  

AD says

It looks like stablecoins like Tether will help to increase demand for US Treasuries which may help to reduce Treasury rates, and take some burden off of the Federal Reserve as far as the Federal Reserve buying US Treasuries.


I have maintained for a few months now that the US should mandate all imports be paid by such a stablecoin. Only this one would be redeemable for USD only after 2 years, 3 months and required to park its money in 2 yr USTS. This would be required for ALL imports except maybe some raw materials. Including shit US firms make in their subsidiaries overseas to fuck over American workers here at home. In other words, Apple will have to buy a lot of these stablecoins just to operate as usual.

Of course, that won't stop market participants from buying/selling them for USD or euros or kumquats or whatever on a secondary market. But that's ok.

Maybe some favored allies would get a break. Say, 6 month 'maturity' stablecoins instead 9f the 2 year. Or they will get a break in selling in USD up to a certain amount until they have to accept the stable coins.
393   AD   2025 Apr 28, 3:53pm  

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-28/google-parent-alphabet-to-sell-high-grade-corporate-bonds

Google last issued $10 billion of bonds in 2020. It just recently issued $5 billion and plan on issuing bonds in Europe.

Guru Focus prices GOOGL fair value at $172 and gives it a 10 out 10 score for financial strength

D.R. Horton recently sold $700 million in senior notes due 2035 at a 5.500% interest rate. The offering was priced at a 5.500% interest rate and will mature on October 15, 2035. The proceeds will be used for general corporate purposes. The offering is expected to close on February 26, 2025, subject to customary closing conditions.
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394   AD   2025 Apr 30, 9:21am  

The Biden recession started this January. From what I've seen of Panama City Beach tourism like the Bay County Tourist Development Council's bed tax receipts being down from the last 3 years, I think the second quarter (April-June) is going to be a negative quarter for GDP also.

"Real gross domestic product (GDP) decreased at an annual rate of 0.3 percent in the first quarter of
2025 (January, February, and March), according to the advance estimate released by the U.S. Bureau of
Economic Analysis. In the fourth quarter of 2024, real GDP increased 2.4 percent."

The Established refused to declare a recession in summer 2022, which made the 2022 midterms narrative almost all about abortion:
https://www.dallasfed.org/research/economics/2022/0802/

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395   komputodo   2025 Apr 30, 10:50am  

WookieMan says

Misc says


I simply used logic to come to a decent conclusion.

Nothing to do with illegals. Would you turn down 25% on car you can repo in 3 months either legal or not? You're taking the deal knowing you'll have to get the car back at some point. If you get a year of payments at 25% and you get the asset back, you made bank. They don't care about your legal status if you can qualify for a loan on probably a $10k car.

But, what if you held the loan so you got 25% down but could never recover the car?
397   komputodo   2025 Apr 30, 11:43am  

Patrick says


Accounts must be settled. It’s called “a reckoning.” And the reckoning is here knocking on the door.

for how many years has the usa kicked the can down the road, avoiding this reckoning and plunging the govt into massive debt for political reasons? Do we need a reckoning or should we just keep kicking the can and pretending it's all good? For how many years has the super low interest rates caused home prices to skyrocket and allow home debt slaves to draw money out with home equity loans and keep living high?
398   Ceffer   2025 Apr 30, 11:47am  

It's called Babylonian Debt Slavery, baked into the Fed. How many people know that we don't get our own tax money back, it is deposited in Europe and 'lent' back to us in the form of interest bearing bonds?

You could call this an illegitimate debt on its face. It's probably why Trump went to war with the Vatican and seized 650 military transports full of gold and treasure from the Vatican tunnels. It was payback for the debt slavery and theft of our assets and the participation of the Vatican in the election frauds.

The Satanic Ritual Abuse survivor Cathy O'Brien says that the blackmail tapes of the intelligence agencies are all archived at the Vatican, not just FBI or CIA 'headquarters'. It goes along with our buddy Benjamin Fulford claiming that every politician of note is granted a passbook account from the Vatican with amounts proportionate to their importance. If they choose to spend it, they are vassals and are required to obey. If they don't obey, they are eliminated or disgraced.
399   AD   2025 Apr 30, 11:48am  

MolotovCocktail says

https://wolfstreet.com/2025/04/29/despite-all-moaning-and-groaning-layoffs-discharges-plunge-hires-voluntary-quits-rise-driven-by-private-sector-strength/


How much is this because of demographics which is about baby boomers leaving the work force and creating vacancies ?

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400   AD   2025 Apr 30, 11:51am  

komputodo says

for how many years has the usa kicked the can down the road


around early 1980s you see a significant increase in federal debt accumulation AND decrease in percentage of manufacturing jobs, albeit some of that was due to EPA regulations shutting down factories, streamlining of manufacturing steps like requiring less workers resulting in productivity gains, etc

and examine how the decrease in working class wealth since the early 1980's

the offshoring of jobs did not increase in rate as much until Bill Clinton's 2nd term and Bush Jr's 1st term

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401   MolotovCocktail   2025 Apr 30, 1:17pm  

AD says


MolotovCocktail says


https://wolfstreet.com/2025/04/29/despite-all-moaning-and-groaning-layoffs-discharges-plunge-hires-voluntary-quits-rise-driven-by-private-sector-strength/


How much is this because of demographics which is about baby boomers leaving the work force and creating vacancies ?

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That is a good part of it and will continue to be over the next 10 years at least. But most of the jobs are just private sector growth and a lot are non-college degree jobs. So I think the deportations or fear of future ones have a lot to do with it.

BTW, this isn't deportation related (even most think it is) but also a factor: https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=2171088
402   AmericanKulak   2025 Apr 30, 1:25pm  

Ceffer says


It's called Babylonian Debt Slavery, baked into the Fed.

Yes, yet there was a Jubilee every 7, 14, 21 years. A person who lived to 40 probably experienced at least 2-3 debt cancellation declarations as an adult.

I don't recall a general debt cancellation ever. Maybe for banks and airlines.

Not saying I liked the Babylon System, but it least it had regular debt cancellations.
403   AD   2025 May 1, 3:40pm  

https://www.investopedia.com/mcdonald-s-says-middle-income-americans-are-feeling-squeezed-now-too-11725812

McDonald’s U.S. same-store sales shrank 3.6% as the chain faced bad weather and a more cautious consumer.

That drop is the worst in McDonald’s home market since the 8.7% plunge during the second quarter of 2020, when states imposed lockdowns to slow the spread of Covid.

Analysts surveyed by StreetAccount were expecting the company to report domestic same-store sales declines of 1.7% for the first quarter.

The fast-food giant reported first-quarter net income of $1.87 billion, or $2.60 per share, down from $1.93 billion, or $2.66 per share, a year earlier.

Looks like the $5 menu is not helping as much but perhaps it would have been a lot worse without it.
404   stereotomy   2025 May 1, 4:35pm  

The boomers fucked Gen-X by passing us over to hand the reins of power to their crotch fruits. I'll never forget that. I'm not the only one that noticed. I'll hang with my generation, fuck the rest, with the exception of the old-timers. They earned their due respect and I'll honor that.
405   AD   2025 May 1, 10:06pm  

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Mish Talk has a good article today about the Institute for Supply Management (ISM) about its Purchasing Managers Index (PMI), which is a monthly indicator of U.S. economic activity based on a survey of purchasing managers at manufacturing firms nationwide. A PMI below 50 means contraction.

This is why Biden Admin was running a $1.6 trillion deficit in 2023 and a $1.9 trillion deficit in 2024, in order to try to keep the economy propped up.

It's been downhill since 2021 for the PMI.



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406   rocketjoe79   2025 May 1, 11:08pm  

It will take time for the new investment to take effect. Stay cool.
407   Misc   2025 May 1, 11:21pm  

Everything Trump has done so far has been deflationary. Tariffs (raising taxes) deflationary, cutting government spending---deflationary.

Meanwhile the Mainstream media has been pounding that Trump policies are inflationary

Unless Trump gets his targeted tax cuts through in a very timely fashion, there is gonna be such a whiplash effect on the economy that decision makers are gonna be scrambling.
408   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2025 May 2, 4:33am  

stereotomy says

The boomers fucked Gen-X by passing us over to hand the reins of power to their crotch fruits. I'll never forget that. I'm not the only one that noticed. I'll hang with my generation, fuck the rest, with the exception of the old-timers. They earned their due respect and I'll honor that.

Trump is a boomer. Many geriatric congress critters are boomers.
409   AD   2025 May 2, 9:50am  

Yes, "deterioation of the economy" as in examining ISM's index called PMI Manufacturing, the economy has gone downhill since 2021.

Job "growth" was mostly low paying jobs or government jobs (includes Medicare/Medicaid/Affordable Care Act subsidized jobs in healthcare)

The establishment refused to call the recession in 2022 before the midterms but the economy was very sour back then and continues to be sour
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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/italian-restaurant-chain-files-bankruptcy-184015606.html

The company (Bertucci's Italian restaurant) cited the "deterioration" of the U.S. economy and "lack of consumer demand for legacy casual-dining brands" as reasons why the restaurant chain has been operating at a loss, according to the filing.
410   stereotomy   2025 May 2, 9:50am  

There is the 99%, and there's the remaining 1%. I.e, there are exceptions to prove the rule.
411   AD   2025 May 2, 11:09am  

Misc says

Everything Trump has done so far has been deflationary. Tariffs (raising taxes) deflationary, cutting government spending---deflationary.

Meanwhile the Mainstream media has been pounding that Trump policies are inflationary


The Establishment wants 2.5% annual inflation. Part of the rationale is it promotes "inflating out of a debt crisis".

Bananas were 49 cents a pound at Walmart Front Beach Rd, now they are 54 cents a pound and I wonder if that is mostly due to the 10% tariff.

At least eggs (a domestic product) are now around 30 cents each versus 50 cents during Birdbrain Biden's last 4 months in office.

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412   AmericanKulak   2025 May 2, 11:42pm  

The good news is this Scot has a secret to making hooch at home with juice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjQRaWy9acU

Ach, he's so excited to be drinking the 14% wine in just 24 hours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8_eUR7YHIs
413   HeadSet   2025 May 3, 6:20am  

AmericanKulak says

The good news is this Scot has a secret to making hooch at home with juice

Something he learned in prison?

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