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I Have Some Bad News About the Economy


               
2022 Oct 15, 5:36am   32,883 views  501 comments

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https://www.hennessysview.com/p/i-have-some-bad-news-about-the-economy?publication_id=572577&post_id=78488561&isFreemail=true


Accounts are widely out of balance

How bad, you might be asking yourself, will the economy get? We’re about to find out.




The orange line is US wealth. The blue line is US GDP. The gap is the amount of wealth American households and non-profits must surrender. You see, these two lines must move in lockstep. They do over time. When they get out of sync, something will put them back into sync.

The gap is debt.

Accounts must be settled. It’s called “a reckoning.” And the reckoning is here knocking on the door.

To put this gap into historical perspective, here’s an extended view of the same data with Dr. Hunt’s markups.




From 1951 to about 1997—the year the Monica Lewinsky story broke and Howe and Strauss published The Fourth Turning—the two lines moved in lockstep. Then Alan Greenspan decided to tinker, to grow wealth without growing GDP and without kicking off inflation. ...

What that gap represents is one of two things:

Money stolen from other people (other economies).

Money stolen from future generations of Americans.

How We Borrow from the Future
A few years ago, in the 1990s, we heard a lot of stories parents going to jail for identify theft perpetrated against their own children. About 1990, the government required babies to have a Social Security Number before they left the hospital. (I remember because it happened between our second and third children.)

Some shiftless parents soon realized they could apply for credit using their kids’ SSNs. They could default, and the creditor could do nothing. You can’t collect from a six-week-old infant.

This, of course, constituted credit fraud, so the parents who did this (and there were many) went to jail. (Not sure what happened to their kids who were left with no parents and lousy FICO score, but that’s not the point.)

The point is, all of us have been doing what those parents do only legally. The government allows us to run up our kids’ and grand kids’ debt as long as we do it with the government’s approved identity-theft programs.

So we did.

If you look at that chart, about 1/3 of our household and non-profit wealth is stolen from other generations or other countries. And we have to pay it back. Now. Or soon. ...

How We Borrow from the World
Some months ago, I wrote a series of posts about the US dollar (USD) as the world’s reserve currency and the petrodollar. (Here and here.) To summarize, almost all international debt is settled with USD regardless of the two local currencies involved. Britain settles its debts with Costa Rica in USD, etc. This includes the oil markets. Saudi Arabia, in turn, buys US treasuries (national debt) as a store of value for its copious oil profits. This allows the US run up massive debt knowing there’s always a market for our bonds.

Until there’s not.

Have you notice that Saudi Arbia is drifting out of the US orbit?

I wrote it about in those earlier posts, but the most certain sign of the Kingdom’s pending divorce with from Uncle Sam happened this week. Saudi Arabia disclosed that Joe Biden tried to strong-arm the Saudis into delaying OPEC+ oil production cuts until after the November elections. In diplomatic worlds, this was a slap in the face insult to the US and, particularly, to the Biden regime.

Rumors say Biden threatened to cut military sales to the Saudis if the OPEC+ cuts were announced before the elections. Not only did OPEC+ announce the cuts on its timetable, the Kingdom told the world about Biden’s threat (without disclosing the exact terms or names). Among “partners,” such public humiliation is a sign of pending breakup.

In return, the State Department and Joe Biden announced they would reevaluate the US’s strategic arrangements with Saudi Arabia after the election. That should be interesting.

What it means is that the US might not have as eager a buyer for debt as we’ve grown accustomed to. And that means the price of US treasuries will decline. Less demand means lower prices. When the price of bond goes down, the interest goes up. ...

I’m not saying the Saudis are about to stop taking our checks—I’m saying the for the first time since the Nixon administration, they’re acting like they might. Which means the are going to demand a bigger discount—the difference between the face value of the bond and sale price. That discount is the interest, and the bigger the discount, the less cash we have to spend tomorrow.

That’s one way to close that gap. You reduce the amount of cash you get in return for a future promise to pay. The amount you owe stays the same, but the amount you get now gets smaller.

How Our Kids Get Their Money Back
Remember the two ways we built that gap between wealth and GDP? That’s the first way. The holder of US treasuries want to cash their bonds, and they don’t want to buy new ones.

The gap begins to shrink, and that shrinking is mostly in household wealth.

The second way is intergenerational theft. So how do our kids and grandkids force their accounts settled?

Have you heard about the labor participation rate? Have you heard about the labor shortage?

An odd thing about the jobs numbers in recent months. While the number of “new jobs,” also known as “new hires,” has been strong, the number of people working has been going down, down, down. Why is that? ...

The kids aren’t taking our post-dated checks, either. They’re simply not participating in the US economy—at least, not in the official US economy. They siphoning of that excess household wealth NOW, in the present. They are not working in ways that grows the blue line (GDP). They’re shrinking the gap by lowering the orange line (wealth).

Wonder where inflation is coming from? We’re spending the excess household wealth without increasing the products and services available to buy with it. Inflation is how future generations close that gap. They spend your excess wealth without producing. And it’s happening right before our eyes. ...

In truth, we will only lose our ill-gotten gains.

While, we didn’t personally rob from the kids and foreigners, we were participants in a rigged game—a game that’s getting unrigged in a hurry. We enjoyed the spoils of the petrodollar and zero interest rates.

This account-settling process is called a reckoning, which sound harsh because it is.

https://www.epsilontheory.com/hollow-men-hollow-markets-hollow-world-2/

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480   WookieMan   2025 Aug 17, 9:11pm  

Misc says

Glock-n-Load says


What’s their narrative, that illegals don’t effect GDP?


The narrative is that the economy is going to shit because of Trump.

Where though? There are 10-20 jets worth $10-100M at my local airport. This is just an FBO airport with no terminal or any airline even regional. Housing bust there were literally no jets. There are individual hangers with at least 80-100 hangers for private planes. Those people make money to own a plane and have hanger space. Busy on the weekends for sure. Flight training which is expensive AF.

Wisconsin is booming. I don't like IL, but it's where we'll make the most. Regionally things are solid. Not a boom or bust, just normal activity. Don't go to Indy or Michigan as often, but in the past 5 years they're both doing well.

This might be shrugging off hardships, but AD posts about Panama City. I don't have the number he's mention but something like $280k down to $250k for a townhome isn't that big of a deal. A 10-11% loss sucks, IF you have to sell. Now go to coastal areas (yes PCB is coastal) that are high end. I like PCB, not a dig.

This is a pre-construction listing which would be included in the new home numbers numbers being thrown around on Patnet. https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/303-Gulf-Dr-N_Bradenton-Beach_FL_34217_M53509-02051

You could get 10-20% less and still make a ton of money. People sucked up a lot of land during the bust. It's easier to get high margins on the land and house.

My take is the economy is fine. There are pockets that will get hit, but 90% of the country land wise is totally fine. Not great and not bad. Trump has limited control on the economy. Ultimately it's up to cash and banks. Either or. A lot of boomers that were responsible with saving likely have a ton of cash. Remember the DOW got to roughly 6k in 2006-2007 and it's at 45k 18 years later.

If you were 45 at the time and had been maxing out the 401k or stock investments, you have a shitload of money and are retired and collecting SS or already died and don't own a home.

Transportation. Rail freight a train rolls through town every 30-40 minutes a mile plus long. Traffic is shitty. So people can clearly afford gas. There's a shitload of lumber being moved around. I'm somewhat near a distribution facility for a large construction product company and trucks are coming and going 24/7.

You're gonna hear some sob stories. 9 out of 10 times it was the persons fault and not the economy.
481   HeadSet   2025 Aug 18, 7:15am  

WookieMan says

You're gonna hear some sob stories. 9 out of 10 times it was the persons fault and not the economy.

Yep. In Virginia, a major campaign issue for the Dem candidate for Governor is the sob story of all those laid off DC workers.
482   AD   2025 Aug 18, 10:20am  

WookieMan says

Wisconsin is booming.


Yeah, Wisconsin is faring a lot better than Illinois.

Wisconsin’s population reached approximately 5,991,540 in 2025, reflecting 0.51% annual growth.

Between 2010 and 2022, the state saw population gains in 11 of 12 years, averaging 0.3% growth per year

Personal income is forecast to rise by 5.1% in 2025, with real disposable income up 2.8%.

The state is projected to add 82,867 new jobs between 2023 and 2025—a 2.47% increase across all industries.

Wisconsin’s unemployment rate averaged 3.0% in 2024, below the national rate of 4.0%
483   WookieMan   2025 Aug 18, 11:05am  

AD says

Yeah, Wisconsin is faring a lot better than Illinois.

Agreed. I don't have state pride. Just make more here. IL is not doing all that bad either though after the housing crash exodus. We're coming out of the ashes. Ain't perfect, but there are many places I wouldn't want to be.
484   AD   2025 Aug 18, 1:28pm  

WookieMan says


Glock-n-Load says

What’s their narrative, that illegals don’t effect GDP?


I can only tell you for Panama City metro area (Bay County) that it does not have much of an impact as I noticed they can easily fill the void here.

There was a 3 hour wait to get an interview at Top Golf (just opened near Dolly Parton's new dinner theater).

Now maybe in posh white liberal areas it may be a lot more problematic as far as losing landscapers, dishwashers, and other manual laborers who voluntarily or involuntarily left the country due to illegal immigration status.

Same white liberals likely financing AntiFa operations to terrorize ICE in order to try to get enough independent voters and "moderate" Republicans to come to the Democrat open border + welfare state side.

But not sure how this impacts rental market as a lot where already over crowded in residential units. I don't see a big or noticeable supply of empty housing because of a +1 million exodus of illegal immigrants out of the USA.

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485   Glock-n-Load   2025 Aug 18, 5:59pm  

I think it would take 20 million or so to make a dent.
486   AD   2025 Sep 5, 9:56pm  

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How much of the job numbers were inflated by Biden regime during the election year of 2024 ?

Trump admin is going to have to do some major adjustments to all the economic stats maintained by the federal government.

They should call in for a special counsel (not the inspector generals) to investigate this.

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https://www.npr.org/2025/09/05/nx-s1-5529937/economy-jobs-trump-bls

Cracks in the U.S. economy: Job growth slows 75% from a year ago

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487   AD   2025 Sep 5, 10:07pm  

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This is because Trump admin is honestly reporting economic statistics. The "downturn" likely started a year after the Fed Funds rate reached 5.25%.

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https://www.thetimes.com/business-money/economics/article/interest-rate-cut-us-economy-22k-jobs-hpfccmd7n

Fears of US recession as economy adds just 22,000 jobs
August’s weaker-than-expected report has increased the likelihood of an interest rate cut by the US Federal Reserve this month to 99 per cent, traders believe

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488   RWSGFY   2025 Sep 11, 10:03am  

The consumer price index rose at an annual rate of 2.9 percent, the fourth-straight month of acceleration, while a less volatile gauge that excludes food and energy costs remained stuck above 3 percent, according to a Labor Department report released Thursday.
489   AD   2025 Sep 11, 1:54pm  

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This is telling as rent is going down in Panama City Florida area.

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https://www.newsherald.com/story/news/local/2025/09/09/monthly-apartments-for-rent-near-bay-county-fl-09082025/86049260007/

Renters in Panama City Beach saw apartment listing prices slightly decrease from last year's median of $2,000, an analysis of new data from rental marketplace Zumper shows.

The typical apartment listed for rent at $1,941 in August. Median listing prices in Panama City Beach are trending slightly downwards from last month's $1,998 price.

The data covers all bedroom sizes, ranging from studios to four-bedroom units, within the specified metropolitan area. It reflects the median rent for all listings that were active at any given point during the month, according to Russell Middleton, co-founder of Zumper. New construction is included in the data and listings that are currently occupied or no longer available are excluded.

One-bedroom apartments listed to rent at a median of $1,435, 5% higher than July, when they were $1,371. Since last year, one-bedroom rental prices rose 0% from $1,432.

Two-bedroom apartments listed for rent were basically flat to July at a central price of $1,812, compared to $1,829. Since last year, two-bedroom rental prices slightly dropped from $1,800.
490   AD   2025 Oct 2, 1:20am  

Mish has another great article

https://mishtalk.com/economics/adp-private-jobs-decline-by-32000-in-september-huge-negative-revisions/

Look at how job growth decreased starting early 2022, which coincides with the first two quarters of 2022 experiencing a decrease in GDP

Economists did not call a recession to help the Democrats in the 2022 midterm with the focus on abortion and not a slowing economy
491   Misc   2025 Oct 2, 2:22am  

Mish is simply getting paid to write anti-Trump propaganda.

According to DHS, about 1.6 million illegals self-deported since the beginning of the year. Surprisingly, some of them had reported jobs. So, of course, it's gonna hit the job numbers and have a negative impact on GDP.

The problem for the Doomers is that the economy has been booming. GDP increased at an annual rate of 3.8% during the 2nd quarter, and the GDP NOW forecast for the 3rd quarter is also 3.8%. This with a declining population for the first time in this nation's history. Getting rid of that DEI crap (making America more of a meritocracy), cutting regulations and adding jobs for the native born has produced these results.

Under Biden we were adding about 500000 illegals per quarter. This juiced the job numbers and GDP. The GDP per capita went to shitsville though.
492   AD   2025 Oct 7, 1:23am  



493   GNL   2025 Oct 7, 9:45am  

So, wages have gone up compared to the 70s.
494   AD   2025 Oct 11, 11:47pm  

ANALYSIS: Despite strong national figures—3.8% GDP growth and 4.3% unemployment—large parts of the U.S. are effectively in recession, according to Moody’s Analytics. Chief economist Mark Zandi exclusively told Fortune that 22 states are contracting and many lower- and middle-income households are “hanging on by their fingertips,” struggling with debt and slowing wage growth despite steady employment. Private data during the federal shutdown shows weakening consumer confidence, particularly among those earning under $35,000. Zandi warned that if economic softness spreads from smaller, manufacturing-heavy states to giants like California or New York, the national economy could tip into recession.

Indeed, Zandi has previously outlined that U.S. fortunes are “tethered” to the prospects of the wealthy as they are the only consumers spending ahead of inflation.

https://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/roughly-half-u-states-effectively-141620915.html
495   AD   2025 Oct 22, 3:15pm  

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/florida-joins-texas-kentucky-and-illinois-in-alarming-new-travel-trend-for-2025/ar-AA1OZaUr

The Sunshine State joins Texas, Kentucky, and Illinois, among other states, in experiencing a consecutive decline in tourism over the last nine months of 2025, the Travel and Tour World (TTW) reports in recent findings. It comes amid alarming fears over 60,000 flight safety staff - and Donald Trump is to blame.

Florida’s tourism sector brought in 17.7 million arrivals in 2025 from January to August; however, this is a decline of 8.7% from the same time period in 2024.
496   AD   2025 Oct 22, 10:21pm  

GNL says

So, wages have gone up compared to the 70s.


yes, but wages have not kept up with major household costs like housing costs

economists likely have commented that productivity gains are not being adequately applied (since at least 2000) to increase wages as a way to compensate or reward workers

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498   Patrick   2025 Oct 23, 7:18pm  

If the rest of her looks that good, maybe she's making more on OnlyFans.
499   AD   2025 Oct 23, 9:16pm  



500   Misc   2025 Oct 27, 7:15am  

The Gulf States have been pumping oil like crazy. This has kept the price of oil low. While it has been wrecking havoc with Russia's cash flow, its leading to quite a few job losses in our oil patch. The Europeans were supposed to be buying US energy products in mass quantities, but they haven't really gotten around to doing so. China has been adding to its strategic reserves bigly, but if that demand drops, oil prices will follow Quite a few oil patch kids are getting laid off.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/shale-giants-slash-thousands-of-jobs-as-lower-prices-bite/ar-AA1PedMk?pc=HCTS
501   AD   2025 Nov 24, 8:13pm  

how does AI and H1B visas relate to this among other factors such an oversupply of college diplomas ?
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