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majority Germans want peace and do not view Russia as a threat
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richwicks
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2022 Oct 19, 2:32am
richwicks
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2022 Oct 19, 2:32am
AmericanKulak says
Movies do not depict reality, at all. They are programming.
AmericanKulak says
Pfft. You have to understand, we never see the real leaders. We see servants.
Banks controlled the USSR as well. They are the ultimate authority.
If you really get into history, you'll realize that most of what is written, is bullshit.
For example, 20 million Russians did not die in WWII. 6 million Jews were not killed in WWII. The Civil War had absolutely nothing to do with slavery. Pearl Harbor wasn't unexpected. There was no Gulf of Tonkin Incident. Iraq wasn't stealing incubators. The bombing of Libya had nothing to do with preventing a humanitarian crisis. The US didn't go to war because "Assad is gassing his own people".
If you think climatologists predicting the collapse of the environment for using fossil fuels suck, and produce bullshit propaganda, that's nothing compared to "historians". Historians are largely propagandists. They are worse than clueless. Few of them do original research, they are gullible, they are no trained in critical thinking, they don't employ it because they can't.
AmericanKulak says
It's possible to recognize the Jewish mafia's malfeasance, since they are so fucking incompetent at it and there IS antisemitism. SOME people are eager to point it out. There's always a continual war against the groups, but the problem is that as far as I've found, there are no good groups. We all have a mafia that misinforms us and propagandizes us for their own reasons, and we have the people producing the propaganda for their own purposes.
That's the real world.
The "good groups", if they exist, are disjointed, disorganized, disconnected, and have no centralization. Perhaps that's their strength.
After it was clear it was a general invasion, Stalin went and sulked in his Dacha, and like Captain Whatshisname in Apocalypse Now
Movies do not depict reality, at all. They are programming.
AmericanKulak says
he said "What are the charges?" He thought he was going to be executed for fucking up so bad, and was surprised to find himself asked for orders.
Pfft. You have to understand, we never see the real leaders. We see servants.
Banks controlled the USSR as well. They are the ultimate authority.
If you really get into history, you'll realize that most of what is written, is bullshit.
For example, 20 million Russians did not die in WWII. 6 million Jews were not killed in WWII. The Civil War had absolutely nothing to do with slavery. Pearl Harbor wasn't unexpected. There was no Gulf of Tonkin Incident. Iraq wasn't stealing incubators. The bombing of Libya had nothing to do with preventing a humanitarian crisis. The US didn't go to war because "Assad is gassing his own people".
If you think climatologists predicting the collapse of the environment for using fossil fuels suck, and produce bullshit propaganda, that's nothing compared to "historians". Historians are largely propagandists. They are worse than clueless. Few of them do original research, they are gullible, they are no trained in critical thinking, they don't employ it because they can't.
AmericanKulak says
There are good and bad in every group/org/ethnicity. Bishop Sheen on one hand, and Pope Francis on the other, for example.
It's possible to recognize the Jewish mafia's malfeasance, since they are so fucking incompetent at it and there IS antisemitism. SOME people are eager to point it out. There's always a continual war against the groups, but the problem is that as far as I've found, there are no good groups. We all have a mafia that misinforms us and propagandizes us for their own reasons, and we have the people producing the propaganda for their own purposes.
That's the real world.
The "good groups", if they exist, are disjointed, disorganized, disconnected, and have no centralization. Perhaps that's their strength.
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TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
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2022 Oct 19, 2:47am
TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter
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2022 Oct 19, 2:47am
arichwicks says
Made an analogy to a movie. Apocalypse Now has nothing to do with Barbarossa.
richwicks says
I don't buy that. Also, a lot of the revisionist rubbish about Weimar being this decadent place is also wrong. Weimar's last governments before Hitler were pretty firmly Conservative, and they secretly trained in Ukraine to get around Versailles. Also, Schleitcher (sp?) whom Hitler assassinated as a rival actually himself assassinated on Weimar orders, informants for the Allies about noncompliance with the Versailles Treaty.
USSR itself was created by the Kaiser's High Command who put Lenin on a sealed diplomatic train with sacks of gold and Marks since the nascent Russian Parliament wasn't ending the war on the Russian Front fast enough. This is/was bragged about by all participants - Soviet Historians and the Kaiser's Officers all bragged about it in official and unofficial papers and writings; double confirmation.
Really, it's Junker-Bolshevism
richwicks says
Some history is exaggerated: There were no human lampshades or soap (why would they wash in untermenschen vermin fat, anyway?) More Soviet POWs died than Jews. Most were worked/starved to death or shot, the gassing began when there were resource pinches and the labor began to be less important than the raw material; the first gas trucks were used on suspected Polish Troublemakers, non-Jews but ex-military/ex-politicans (Mostly right wing nationalists) and were CO2 based. Jews were the test group for the Slavs, whom the Germans also considered Untermenschen savages, to be run down to make way for German Colonists West of the Urals.
Pearl Harbor was unexpected; but the main threat was thought to be sabotage, so the planes were lined up in rows to make guarding the base easier against infiltrators. Whereas in the Phillipenes, the USAF was dispersed and staggered against expected air attack; the Japanese carriers were believed to be in the largely empty seas east of the Phillipenes - radar was very short range in those days and trivial for a large carrier force to hide in a place with only a few Catalinas with eyeballs from Atolls looking down at the Pacific.
The Civil War was mostly about slavery, not tariffs. #1 because the South got the lion's share of the tariff revenue in the form of canals, ports, forts, lighthouses. #2 because South Carolina threatened succession previously, but the Constitution is clear that the Federal Congress has the power to levy them, and no other Southern states joined in. Of course the whole thing was unneccessary because the South could have simply converted the slaves to sharecroppers and avoided the whole issue, but I guess it wasn't clear at the time.
Revisionists also twist history for their own purposes, and losers often retcon the real reason things happened to present themselves as the wronged party.
richwicks says
Not groups, individuals. Some groups are good, at least they start that way, but seldom stay that way. MADD, ADL, etc.
Movies do not depict reality, at all. They are programming.
Made an analogy to a movie. Apocalypse Now has nothing to do with Barbarossa.
richwicks says
Pfft. You have to understand, we never see the real leaders. We see servants.
Banks controlled the USSR as well. They are the ultimate authority.
I don't buy that. Also, a lot of the revisionist rubbish about Weimar being this decadent place is also wrong. Weimar's last governments before Hitler were pretty firmly Conservative, and they secretly trained in Ukraine to get around Versailles. Also, Schleitcher (sp?) whom Hitler assassinated as a rival actually himself assassinated on Weimar orders, informants for the Allies about noncompliance with the Versailles Treaty.
USSR itself was created by the Kaiser's High Command who put Lenin on a sealed diplomatic train with sacks of gold and Marks since the nascent Russian Parliament wasn't ending the war on the Russian Front fast enough. This is/was bragged about by all participants - Soviet Historians and the Kaiser's Officers all bragged about it in official and unofficial papers and writings; double confirmation.
Really, it's Junker-Bolshevism
richwicks says
If you really get into history, you'll realize that most of what is written, is bullshit.
For example, 20 million Russians did not die in WWII. 6 million Jews were not killed in WWII. The Civil War had absolutely nothing to do with slavery. Pearl Harbor wasn't unexpected. There was no Gulf of Tonkin Incident. Iraq wasn't stealing incubators. The bombing of Libya had nothing to do with preventing a humanitarian crisis. The US didn't go to war because "Assad is gassing his own people".
Some history is exaggerated: There were no human lampshades or soap (why would they wash in untermenschen vermin fat, anyway?) More Soviet POWs died than Jews. Most were worked/starved to death or shot, the gassing began when there were resource pinches and the labor began to be less important than the raw material; the first gas trucks were used on suspected Polish Troublemakers, non-Jews but ex-military/ex-politicans (Mostly right wing nationalists) and were CO2 based. Jews were the test group for the Slavs, whom the Germans also considered Untermenschen savages, to be run down to make way for German Colonists West of the Urals.
Pearl Harbor was unexpected; but the main threat was thought to be sabotage, so the planes were lined up in rows to make guarding the base easier against infiltrators. Whereas in the Phillipenes, the USAF was dispersed and staggered against expected air attack; the Japanese carriers were believed to be in the largely empty seas east of the Phillipenes - radar was very short range in those days and trivial for a large carrier force to hide in a place with only a few Catalinas with eyeballs from Atolls looking down at the Pacific.
The Civil War was mostly about slavery, not tariffs. #1 because the South got the lion's share of the tariff revenue in the form of canals, ports, forts, lighthouses. #2 because South Carolina threatened succession previously, but the Constitution is clear that the Federal Congress has the power to levy them, and no other Southern states joined in. Of course the whole thing was unneccessary because the South could have simply converted the slaves to sharecroppers and avoided the whole issue, but I guess it wasn't clear at the time.
Revisionists also twist history for their own purposes, and losers often retcon the real reason things happened to present themselves as the wronged party.
richwicks says
The "good groups", if they exist, are disjointed, disorganized, disconnected, and have no centralization. Perhaps that's their strength.
Not groups, individuals. Some groups are good, at least they start that way, but seldom stay that way. MADD, ADL, etc.
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richwicks
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2022 Oct 19, 3:14am
richwicks
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2022 Oct 19, 3:14am
AmericanKulak says
Government didn't matter. There are people right now that are selling their children to wealthy people in Sudan because, well, at least maybe they won't starve. That was Germany at one point.
AmericanKulak says
Can't say. I'm actually far more interested in Middle Eastern politics than something as old was WWII. I just know that all wars are about power, and power is wielded by who controls the currency.
AmericanKulak says
This was considered FACT when I was growing up. The only reason it no longer is, is because of DNA testing.
AmericanKulak says
No. People who were summarily murdered were killed in most cases because they were considered useless. There were wholesale murders too though, but that was done by machine gun.
AmericanKulak says
What? You mean they didn't use a deadly gas that would require using a hazmat suit in order to handle the body and instead used an easily producible gas? Noooooo....
Cyanide poising was never used. I regard modern day executions to be stupid, just remove the oxygen. It's a painless death, perhaps that's why it's not used in modern executions. An atmosphere of nitrous oxide would be deleterious. Never done whippets?
AmericanKulak says
No, unlikely. The only ships in Pearl Harbor were obsolete and about to be decommissioned. A Japanese spy sub was sunk hours before the attack, it's been found since then.
https://www.historynet.com/takeo-yoshikawa-world-war-ii-japanese-pearl-harbor-spy/
This was sunk PRIOR to the attack. FDR wanted an excuse to enter WWII, it's HIGHLY likely he let it happen. The US had an embargo on Japan, that in itself was an act of war. Not excusing the Japanese, they were total asshole savages.
AmericanKulak says
Think about what you just said? Everybody was a racist twat asshole back them. EVERYBODY was. You think a bunch of farmers in the north would join up in the war to fight for the right of "niggers" back then? It would have been a revolution.
Think about what you're saying. Black people were not equals in the north in 1850, they weren't considered equals until the 1970's, and then by only a portion of the population.
Abraham Lincoln was a dick, he wanted to export all black people to either Liberia or Panama to build the Panama canal. He wanted to abolish slavery, because black people shouldn't be around white people because it could cause miscegenation. He thought black people were subhuman. His only goal was to keep the union together.
If the civil war was over slavery, why were there 5 border states that allowed slavery, on the side of the north? Nobody fighting on the side of the north thought they were doing it to end slavery. Lincoln just wanted to get rid of black people. Why didn't the north abolish slavery before the civil war, at least in the north? It was about economic dominance.
AmericanKulak says
History is history, but we get vanished and waxed versions of it.
Who bitches and moans about slavery in Libya today? It's there? It's EASY to bitch and moan about slavery in 1850, name one person you know complaining about it in Libya, where it exists today?
People don't have principles.
Here is a more difficult one, do you know anybody complaining about Israel bombing Gaza? They don't have an airforce or a military, just a group of criminals. Here are some IDF soldiers shooting a Palestinian for FUN:
https://www.ZtUoIpoh0BA
Here, stick your neck out and condemn that. Easy to condemn the evils of the past, point out the evils of today.
AmericanKulak says
No. People are unprincipled cowards. It's trivial for me to find somebody who will condemn the Iraq War over those non existent weapons of mass destruction, but it's once in a blue moon I find somebody that also opposed the bombing of Syria, Libya, Yemen, OR Somalia. The vast majority of people are drones, they don't think. They are literally unprincipled. They have no set morals, no philosophy. I can find a blue haired fat lesbian screaming about the evils of American slavery in 1850, but I don't think I can find one screaming about the slavery currently in Libya.
I don't buy that. Also, a lot of the revisionist rubbish about Weimar being this decadent place is also wrong. Weimar's last governments before Hitler were pretty firmly Conservative,
Government didn't matter. There are people right now that are selling their children to wealthy people in Sudan because, well, at least maybe they won't starve. That was Germany at one point.
AmericanKulak says
USSR itself was created by the Kaiser's High Command who put Lenin on a sealed diplomatic train with sacks of gold and Marks since the nascent Russian Parliament wasn't ending the war on the Russian Front fast enough. This is/was bragged about by all participants - Soviet Historians and the Kaiser's Officers all bragged about it in official and unofficial papers and writings; double confirmation.
Can't say. I'm actually far more interested in Middle Eastern politics than something as old was WWII. I just know that all wars are about power, and power is wielded by who controls the currency.
AmericanKulak says
Some history is exaggerated: There were no human lampshades or soap (why would they wash in untermenschen vermin fat, anyway?)
This was considered FACT when I was growing up. The only reason it no longer is, is because of DNA testing.
AmericanKulak says
the gassing began when there were resource pinches and the labor began to be less important than the raw materia
No. People who were summarily murdered were killed in most cases because they were considered useless. There were wholesale murders too though, but that was done by machine gun.
AmericanKulak says
non-Jews but ex-military/ex-politicans (Mostly right wing nationalists) and were CO2 based.
What? You mean they didn't use a deadly gas that would require using a hazmat suit in order to handle the body and instead used an easily producible gas? Noooooo....
Cyanide poising was never used. I regard modern day executions to be stupid, just remove the oxygen. It's a painless death, perhaps that's why it's not used in modern executions. An atmosphere of nitrous oxide would be deleterious. Never done whippets?
AmericanKulak says
Pearl Harbor was unexpected;
No, unlikely. The only ships in Pearl Harbor were obsolete and about to be decommissioned. A Japanese spy sub was sunk hours before the attack, it's been found since then.
https://www.historynet.com/takeo-yoshikawa-world-war-ii-japanese-pearl-harbor-spy/
This was sunk PRIOR to the attack. FDR wanted an excuse to enter WWII, it's HIGHLY likely he let it happen. The US had an embargo on Japan, that in itself was an act of war. Not excusing the Japanese, they were total asshole savages.
AmericanKulak says
The Civil War was mostly about slavery, not tariffs.
Think about what you just said? Everybody was a racist twat asshole back them. EVERYBODY was. You think a bunch of farmers in the north would join up in the war to fight for the right of "niggers" back then? It would have been a revolution.
Think about what you're saying. Black people were not equals in the north in 1850, they weren't considered equals until the 1970's, and then by only a portion of the population.
Abraham Lincoln was a dick, he wanted to export all black people to either Liberia or Panama to build the Panama canal. He wanted to abolish slavery, because black people shouldn't be around white people because it could cause miscegenation. He thought black people were subhuman. His only goal was to keep the union together.
If the civil war was over slavery, why were there 5 border states that allowed slavery, on the side of the north? Nobody fighting on the side of the north thought they were doing it to end slavery. Lincoln just wanted to get rid of black people. Why didn't the north abolish slavery before the civil war, at least in the north? It was about economic dominance.
AmericanKulak says
Revisionists also twist history for their own purposes, and losers often retcon the real reason things happened to present themselves as the wronged party.
History is history, but we get vanished and waxed versions of it.
Who bitches and moans about slavery in Libya today? It's there? It's EASY to bitch and moan about slavery in 1850, name one person you know complaining about it in Libya, where it exists today?
People don't have principles.
Here is a more difficult one, do you know anybody complaining about Israel bombing Gaza? They don't have an airforce or a military, just a group of criminals. Here are some IDF soldiers shooting a Palestinian for FUN:
https://www.ZtUoIpoh0BA
Here, stick your neck out and condemn that. Easy to condemn the evils of the past, point out the evils of today.
AmericanKulak says
Not groups, individuals. Some groups are good, at least they start that way, but seldom stay that way. MADD, ADL, etc.
No. People are unprincipled cowards. It's trivial for me to find somebody who will condemn the Iraq War over those non existent weapons of mass destruction, but it's once in a blue moon I find somebody that also opposed the bombing of Syria, Libya, Yemen, OR Somalia. The vast majority of people are drones, they don't think. They are literally unprincipled. They have no set morals, no philosophy. I can find a blue haired fat lesbian screaming about the evils of American slavery in 1850, but I don't think I can find one screaming about the slavery currently in Libya.
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clambo
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2022 Oct 19, 4:24am
The USA taxpayer defended Germany from a Russian invasion for decades, at a cost of hundreds of billions.
Now Ukraine is fighting the war which we hoped to avoid.
Diplomacy doesn't work with assholes; I learned this at a young age.
Putin is delusional; he dreams of the "former glory" which never existed for Russia; it was just domination of its neighbors and instilling fear in the West.
Now Ukraine is fighting the war which we hoped to avoid.
Diplomacy doesn't work with assholes; I learned this at a young age.
Putin is delusional; he dreams of the "former glory" which never existed for Russia; it was just domination of its neighbors and instilling fear in the West.
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Regarding Russia, 22% of German respondents described the threat it poses as “significant” compared with 50% who classified the country as a “minor” military danger, according to the Koerber poll.
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/europe/2022-10-18/germany-security-russia-7730229.html
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