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Perhaps we should defenstrate ALL licensed "experts"


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2022 Dec 4, 4:21pm   1,411 views  25 comments

by Patrick   ➕follow (59)   💰tip   ignore  

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/cuban-style-expert-worship


i have long suspected that the very rich and powerful love authority and regulatory structures because they tend toward status quo and when you’re at the top, that’s good for you. and the rules probably don’t apply to you anyhow. but this is not really the interesting part of mark’s day.

that came when he took exception to some comments by long time gatopal™ and rational ground grounding rod justin hart.




let me make that easy for you:
yes.
they serve only to raise prices, protect guild systems, stifle innovation, limit freedom, and limit choice.

any credential/skill that is truly important will be demanded by the market anyway.

let the customer decide, not the bureaucracy.

make all commerce, association, and interaction voluntary and consensual.

what should med or law school look like?

let the market decide not some technocrat in a regulatory agency who has much to gain by promoting scarcity and lack of choice.

you would not accept this rationale in most aspects of your life. imagine a “marriage panel” the decided who you were allowed to consider wedding. lots of people seem to get it wrong. for many, it’s very expensive. so should “experts” be in charge?

the ethical basis of mandatory credentialing is just as bad.

it’s just taking choice away from you and calling it “public good.”

hardly a practice with a laudable history.

it’s deeply ironic to see a guy who got rich helping to disintermediate over-regulated and ossified media now weigh in in favor of ossification. ...

no one is saying “hey, just trust any old person do to heart surgery or fly your airplane.”

to claim so a silly grandstanding move.

everyone will seek out qualified people.

that is not the issue.

the issue is “who gets to decide what constitutes “qualified”?”
and mark does not seem to want it to be you.

i mean, really stop and think about this: do you trust just anyone with an MD or a JD?

if you care about "credentials," great, patronize those who decide to get them. if you don't, don't.

make it all voluntary and then, like iso-9000, if people care, it will be supplied. in the absence of regulation, accreditation, and other such interference and restrictions on consensual commerce, what the market demands the market gets.

and that is a VERY powerful idea.

licensing lawyers is no different than having a produce czar decide who can grow vegetables, under what conditions, and how many of which they should produce.

it’s trade restriction.

and trade restriction always creates a net deadweight loss for society.




you might have some idea of “how trained a doctor should be” and i might have one too. and they might be different. but in a free market, each of us can satisfy our desires and offerings can evolve to suit demand.

in a market captured by guilds, we cannot. there is only one answer and it provides a high hurdle and a built in system of grift and apprenticeship where it costs people huge money to become a doctor and then they have to work for peanuts for years in “residency” that’s basically medieval style guild apprenticeship.

such a system does not innovate. it does not allow in ideas like AI (that is already outperforming doctors on many tasks including diagnosis) or ideas like “maybe a doctor who is just going to perform lasik does not need a full MD” or “maybe we should be teaching a different curriculum more based in critical thought and assessment rather than rote regurgitation” or “maybe we need more pharmacology and less physiology. or maybe the obverse.” you’re not even really getting “one size fits none.” you’re getting “one size fits guild needs.”

such a system will always seek to over-price access and then constrain supply because that is what maximizes oligopolistic/monopolistic profits.

and this is EXACTLY what they have done. med school and residency batter the hell out of students, push rote learning over critical thought, and leave graduates beholden to boards and credentials and generally in nasty debt.

the schools thrive, the hospitals thrive, the regulators thrive, and if once they manage to milk enough “dues paying” out of you, so too might an aspiring doctor one day but not until they have extracted massive guild profits from you and never without continuing to be under their thumb. california’s new foray into overt medical censorship by holding credentials hostage shows just how powerful and intrusive this can get. ...

this whole notion is just more “expert worship” and the core socialist fallacy of “we just need smarter guys to make top down planning work next time!”

no, we don’t

that never works.

it breaks choice and constrains supply according to what an industry wants rather than what its customers do.

it’s a recipe for stultification and profiteering. it’s a recipe for perpetual guild domination where innovation should be.

medicine in particular is predominantly a technology field. it should be dropping in price, not exploding and the fact that it is not speaks to market breakage.

guilds are market breakage.

giving someone else the power to determine for what and under what conditions you can hire the services of another person is market breakage

the only reason to require such things to sustain a non-market equilibrium.

it’s really that simple.

it’s clear why so much “big business” wants that.

but why do you want that?

you don’t. it’s being sold as illusory safety.

you are surrendering freedom and consumer sovereignty for a cage built by profiteers.

and we all know how that goes…



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1   Ceffer   2022 Dec 4, 4:38pm  

Surrendering a bad or corrupted system for an anarchic system isn't really the answer. Credentialing is a kind of 'bare minimum' assurance of standards in education and experience for complex tasks, especially those that deal with the welfare of others. It isn't perfect, but it's better than anarchy dominated by commercial interest secondary gain in which everybody winds up confused and more often harmed or robbed by snake oils.

I certainly didn't know that the Rockefellers had such a lock on corrupting medical research and medical practice, turning it into a military hierarchy of obedience to their profit motives. The answer there is hanging the Rockefellers. A HUGE amount of so called science and medical research have been contaminated, otherwise they couldn't so easily use it for political purposes and democide.
3   Patrick   2022 Dec 4, 4:41pm  

Ceffer says


It isn't perfect, but it's better than anarchy dominated by commercial interest


I don't think that the authoritarian control dominated by commercial interest we have right now is better than anarchy dominated by commercial interest, where by "anarchy" I just mean letting the customer choose regardless of credentials.
4   GNL   2022 Dec 4, 8:33pm  

I'd bet the insurance needs/requirements doctors have in order to operate have had an outsized influence on where the medical industry is right now.
5   Patrick   2022 Dec 8, 12:32pm  

https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/some-things-i-learned


these “alpha-rubes” live in a world that is all appeal to authority stacked like turtles all the way down.

so what happens if this source of validation is corrupt?

you get the worst of all worlds:

a scheming, unaccountable grand vizier and a useful idiot king on the mistaken moral crusade upon which his advisors have set him.

do yo think ANY of these people understand climate science or pandemic management or even basic statistics, economics, or logic beyond what the people around them are telling them?

can they tell a good expert from a liar with a model?

no.

and worse, the selection is adverse.

they choose flash, profession of certainty, and whatever allows them to do what they wanted. so they gravitate to the liars and simplifiers who are telling it like it ain’t with sensational claims that lack foundation.

if you cannot tell an expert from a credentialed con-man, you go with what works for you. you go with the answer that lets you do what you want. and politicians want power.

and this is, of course, precisely why we should not grant it to them. this is “sorcerer’s apprentice” level debacle in process with 20 more on deck. then they will call you crazy and gaslight you for claiming otherwise.

this is how the basic nature of “democratically elected” government becomes a puppetshow with the strings held by a few unelected and near perpetual puppetmasters.

who is declaring “the crises”?

who is deciding upon “the solutions”?

because it sure ain’t anyone you voted for.
6   Misc   2022 Dec 8, 9:17pm  

My goal in life is to have a smaller carbon footprint than our Climate Czar.
7   AmericanKulak   2022 Dec 8, 11:57pm  

Michael Avenatti's legal expertise, hahahaha

CNN loved that man, the anchors invited him to their Hampton homes.
8   PeopleUnited   2022 Dec 9, 6:57am  

Patrick says





Experts in this case = morons (and or paid shills for big Pharma/big government)
9   NuttBoxer   2022 Dec 9, 8:51am  

Ceffer says

Surrendering a bad or corrupted system for an anarchic system isn't really the answer.


I think you're taking your definition of anarchy from the establishment. In the simplest terms, it's running your own life absent any central authority. I think most of us here are capable of putting on big boy pants and making our own decisions.

The system we have now is what most people assume anarchy is. Chaos, lies and destruction with millions of people suffering needlessly, that's what we have now. Medicine is poison, hospitals are death factories, sickness(mental and physical) is considered health.

Don't fear leaving the cage.
10   NuttBoxer   2022 Dec 9, 8:56am  

What's the worst thing that happens if someone can call themself a doctor without any licensing or education? Stupid people who don't do their research die. Isn't this Darwin's theory in action? It always surprises me how people who deny God still cling to him, just in the form of weak, corrupt man. If you desire authority in your life to keep you safe, you are really looking for God. Don't accept cheap imitations. But God does for those who can do for themselves. He's big on personal responsibility, but it's what's best for you.
11   AmericanKulak   2022 Dec 9, 12:26pm  

Why can't we form alternatives to the American Pediatric Association, American Psychological Association, American Anthropological Society, etc. etc.?
12   stereotomy   2022 Dec 9, 12:51pm  

What was medicine like before the AMA? Pretty much a whole bunch of people trying to figure out the practice of medicine.

This credentialism is a recent phenomenon which has only come to dominate from the early 20th century. Before then, anyone could be a doctor - it was more of an apprenticeship under "recognized" physicians.

The biggest boon to credentialism and modern "medicine" were the multiple wars of the 20th century. Crude antibiotics along with improved surgical techniques inspired trust in "doctors" by the wounded veterans of multiple world and regional wars. They gained a credibility though expediency/need that they otherwise did not deserve. The medical profession capitalized on this, using the military model to stress test doctors, break their wills, and create an obedient civilian corps that would do whatever the upper hierarchy told them.

The practice of medicine is irredeemably broken. Credentialism and obedience to authority have replaced empathy and the scientific method.

It's an older movie, but check out "Lorenzo's Oil." It's about all the bullshit the medical establishment puts in people's way when they're trying to save their child. Thankfully, in this case, the father was a scientist, and figured out what the "doctors" couldn't.
13   PeopleUnited   2022 Dec 9, 8:44pm  

NuttBoxer says


What's the worst thing that happens if someone can call themself a doctor without any licensing or education? Stupid people who don't do their research die. Isn't this Darwin's theory in action? It always surprises me how people who deny God still cling to him, just in the form of weak, corrupt man. If you desire authority in your life to keep you safe, you are really looking for God. Don't accept cheap imitations. But God does for those who can do for themselves. He's big on personal responsibility, but it's what's best for you.

Well said. Look at all the popular entertainment these days (movies, books, video games) all about superheroes, lord of the rings, aliens from outer space, vampires, it’s all supernatural fantastic stuff. People reject the real supernatural being (God the creator and His Spirit and Angels). and then fantasize about other supernatural beings, or becoming supernatural themselves with transhumanism like Elon or other sci fi like false spirituality or even downright Satan worship.
14   AmericanKulak   2022 Dec 10, 12:45am  

stereotomy says

This credentialism is a recent phenomenon which has only come to dominate from the early 20th century. Before then, anyone could be a doctor - it was more of an apprenticeship under "recognized" physicians.

Madison didn't need to go to Law School. He simply studied Law Books and was tutored by lawyers.

Where is the BAR association given any powers over who gets to be a lawyer in the Constitution?
15   NuttBoxer   2022 Dec 10, 12:12pm  

stereotomy says

What was medicine like before the AMA? Pretty much a whole bunch of people trying to figure out the practice of medicine.


Actually, Rockefeller's AMA put a stop to age old traditional medicine, that had been proven safe and effective over thousands of years. A lot of that is just now starting to come back, as people see the sickcare system for what it is.

Lorenzo's Oil is a GREAT movie. Also, Dallas Buyer's Club, Fauci's first fore into death cults.
16   HeadSet   2022 Dec 10, 2:51pm  

AmericanKulak says

Where is the BAR association given any powers over who gets to be a lawyer in the Constitution?

Isn't that a state responsibility? If so, the 10th Amendment. Almost worked for Hillary, she had multiple Bar Exam failures and had to shop for a state to let her proxy pass.
19   Patrick   2023 Feb 6, 10:40pm  

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1118019/


Is redemption possible for the sins of expertness? The only one I know that works requires the systematic retirement of experts. To be sure, many of them are sucked into chairs, deanships, vice presidencies, and other black holes in which they are unlikely to influence the progress of science or anything else for that matter. Surely a lot more people could retire from their fields and turn their intelligence, imagination, and methodological acumen to new problem areas where, having shed most of their prestige and with no prior personal pronouncements to defend, they could enjoy the liberty to argue new evidence and ideas on the latter's merits.

But there are still far more experts around than is healthy for the advancement of science. Because their voluntary retirement does not seem to be any more frequent in 2000 than it was in 1980, I repeat my proposal that the retirement of experts be made compulsory at the point of their academic promotion and tenure.
20   richwicks   2023 Feb 6, 10:51pm  

Patrick says

Is redemption possible for the sins of expertness? The only one I know that works requires the systematic retirement of experts. To be sure, many of them are sucked into chairs, deanships, vice presidencies, and other black holes in which they are unlikely to influence the progress of science or anything else for that matter.


I disagree with this. They will just be replaced by the same sort of puppet.

Ignore experts.

Look, every one of us has access to the world's information, if they simply want to use it. We don't need experts anymore.

A lie has many many stories, the truth has only one. When you come across a story that doesn't make sense to you, figure out why it doesn't make sense, then start asking questions. It won't take long for you to either identify an error in your reasoning, OR, that the story you've been told is false.

For example, if I ask "why would Assad gas his own people? It's the ONLY weapon that he could have used to guarantee that Obama would start bombing Syria - so are we expected to think he's stupid?" and the answer I get is "he's a madman!!! You (meaning me) are stupid for not realizing this" - does this make sense? No leader is really insane. Every leader is only a leader because he's got a support group underneath him. If the leader starts acting stupidly, they are removed. If Assad started a war with the US by using chemical weapons, he'd have been assassinated. His advisors would have killed him, and replaced him.

Obama started a war with Syria by lying about it, that's what his advisors wanted. If he DIDN'T start a war, there's plenty of corruption they could have used to remove him. For example, he got a $60 million dollar bribe for imposing Common Core on the nation - that made 1/2 billion dollars of profit for the same company that paid him $60 million dollars for his "memoirs" which nobody gives a shit about, and nobody has read.
25   Patrick   2024 Apr 4, 10:16am  

https://aghostinthemachine.substack.com/p/a-zero-trust-society


Ours is a zero-trust society, and crazy-sounding conspiracy theorists are usually far more trustworthy than government officials, mainstream journalists, academic researchers, etc. As we have seen, the credentialed “experts” who brandish the regime’s imprimatur have been consistently and catastrophically wrong about everything that matters.

A growing number of people, possibly even a majority, now accept that this is so, even if most of them are reluctant to acknowledge it publicly. People are sick of being conned and gaslit by the powers-that-be. ...

Okay, I know that these “conspiracy theories” can sound pretty crazy, especially when you go outside into the sunshine and “touch grass” and interact with all the shiny, happy normies out there. But let us not forget, my fellow Americans, that in the past few years, our own government recently partnered with Chinese communists to engineer a virus; then, once that virus “escaped” from the lab, our government collaborated with public and private organizations around the globe to lie about the severity of that virus, to lie about which treatments were effective and which ones weren’t, and to censor any and all true information that contradicted its lies; our government then compelled people to take preventative measures and treatments that its own officials knew were ineffective; etc., etc., etc. How many people died as a result, especially once you factor in deaths from despair (suicides, overdoses, etc.)? And precisely none of the folks who committed all of these crimes have even been prosecuted for it, let alone convicted of a crime and sent to prison. And don’t forget that this is a familiar pattern by now: think Iraq, 9/11, the psychotic immigration and border policy, the BLM movement and its “reforms,” etc.

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