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The US military needs an oath of DISOBEDIENCE to unconstitutional orders
2022 Dec 14, 9:43pm 1,412 views 27 comments
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2022 Dec 22, 10:50am
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2022 Dec 22, 10:50am
GNL says
And like I said, it's not ALL enlisted soldiers. The grunts which make up most of military are there because they had no future. Maybe it turns around. Generally it doesn't from my experience with peers in the military. It's usually shit parents or military parents that the kids get into the services. Parents got brainwashed or the kid was just too stupid and enlisted. 99% of them won't lose their life either. Lodging, food, money, etc is covered, what's not to like when you have no skill. Some do have skills, so not making a blanket statement.
It's not a bad thing, it's just always seemed like a fall back to me. And no disrespect intended towards users here that served. I'm just being blunt how most civilians really think of military. Fact is there hasn't been one conflict since I've been alive that was remotely worth anything. 40 years. There's simply no point in war. Witnessing it now in Russia/Ukraine. What is the actual outcome at the end? Massive destruction and generational animosity towards people you'd probably have a beer with for something that could be decided/negotiated in 20 minutes? For real?
This is the reason we need to get uninvolved. I get NATO. But Europe picked their pony with Russia as an energy supplier. They put themselves in a shit situation like they always do. Geography and resources screw them. Always will. Which in the end leads to conflict. European nations colonized because Europe had nothing. So then went and got it elsewhere.
WookieMan says
Fact is most soldiers are just brain washed because they were uneducated morons.
This is also true in my circles.
And like I said, it's not ALL enlisted soldiers. The grunts which make up most of military are there because they had no future. Maybe it turns around. Generally it doesn't from my experience with peers in the military. It's usually shit parents or military parents that the kids get into the services. Parents got brainwashed or the kid was just too stupid and enlisted. 99% of them won't lose their life either. Lodging, food, money, etc is covered, what's not to like when you have no skill. Some do have skills, so not making a blanket statement.
It's not a bad thing, it's just always seemed like a fall back to me. And no disrespect intended towards users here that served. I'm just being blunt how most civilians really think of military. Fact is there hasn't been one conflict since I've been alive that was remotely worth anything. 40 years. There's simply no point in war. Witnessing it now in Russia/Ukraine. What is the actual outcome at the end? Massive destruction and generational animosity towards people you'd probably have a beer with for something that could be decided/negotiated in 20 minutes? For real?
This is the reason we need to get uninvolved. I get NATO. But Europe picked their pony with Russia as an energy supplier. They put themselves in a shit situation like they always do. Geography and resources screw them. Always will. Which in the end leads to conflict. European nations colonized because Europe had nothing. So then went and got it elsewhere.
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2022 Dec 22, 11:21am
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2022 Dec 22, 11:21am
WookieMan says
I disagree. It's their leaders that screw them.
Europe, if they didn't have traitors running their various nations, would simply become allies with Russia.
It makes no sense for them to ally themselves with the United States and become enemies with Russia. Russia would benefit from the technology and education of Europe, and Europe would benefit from the raw resources of Russia. It's a completely logical match.
This is the reason we need to get uninvolved. I get NATO. But Europe picked their pony with Russia as an energy supplier. They put themselves in a shit situation like they always do. Geography and resources screw them
I disagree. It's their leaders that screw them.
Europe, if they didn't have traitors running their various nations, would simply become allies with Russia.
It makes no sense for them to ally themselves with the United States and become enemies with Russia. Russia would benefit from the technology and education of Europe, and Europe would benefit from the raw resources of Russia. It's a completely logical match.
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But what if the "president" is a fraud installed by woke-corporate interests to protect their profit machine which kills the American public with the death jab?
We need soldiers who are explicitly instructed to disobey frauds and unconstitutional orders.