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zzyzzx
2023 Apr 12, 5:44am
zzyzzx
2023 Apr 12, 5:44am
Tenpoundbass says
If they are leasing new cars wouldn't the issues mentioned all be under warranty?
Everyone I know with Chevy, Nissan, Kia, and Hamdani all at some point in their two to three year lease, have to take their car to the dealer to get repaired. Ranging from serious, to just minor stuff, but none the less, I have not had one experience.
If they are leasing new cars wouldn't the issues mentioned all be under warranty?
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BayArea
2023 Apr 12, 6:22am
BayArea
2023 Apr 12, 6:22am
gabbar says
Google “Toyota lean and six sigma” production systems
B.A.C.A.H. says
Japan-built cars have VINs starting with J. US-built - 1.
I got a 20 year old rusty but reliable Toyota Corolla with VIN starting with J. However, are Subarus, Mazdas made in Japan are not as reliable? Why?
Google “Toyota lean and six sigma” production systems
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WookieMan
2023 Apr 12, 6:25am
WookieMan
2023 Apr 12, 6:25am
B.A.C.A.H. says
This is probably true. The MAX was an absolute failure, BUT most of it was due to pilot error. Engineering wasn't great, but it was solvable with a good pilot. You can hand fly a plane and unfortunately some foreign pilots didn't know how to do that and override the MCAS system. The MAX was all over the US during that time and no accidents. It's probably racist to say that though. Know how to fly the damn plane without automated systems. They didn't. People died.
My experiences with the US-built Toyotas suggest to me that the quality and reliability problems with US models is not due to the workers on the factory floors. It's the engineering, whose imperatives come from the management. Kind of like Boeing with its 737 MAX.
This is probably true. The MAX was an absolute failure, BUT most of it was due to pilot error. Engineering wasn't great, but it was solvable with a good pilot. You can hand fly a plane and unfortunately some foreign pilots didn't know how to do that and override the MCAS system. The MAX was all over the US during that time and no accidents. It's probably racist to say that though. Know how to fly the damn plane without automated systems. They didn't. People died.
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desertguy
2023 Apr 12, 6:41am
gabbar says
The LX has already transitioned to a twin turbo V6, same with the LS. For the GX, 2023 is last year of the production run with a V8, which started in 2009, which is one of the reasons the 2022 and 23 are so bullet proof. Next year complete redesign.
desertguy says
a new GX with the last of the V-8's
When did they build the last of the V-8's?
The LX has already transitioned to a twin turbo V6, same with the LS. For the GX, 2023 is last year of the production run with a V8, which started in 2009, which is one of the reasons the 2022 and 23 are so bullet proof. Next year complete redesign.
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desertguy
2023 Apr 12, 6:43am
RWSGFY says
Also, sticker on door jam (usually drivers door) will tell you country of origin and the actual factory where assembled.
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GNL says
desertguy says
My one rule is to only buy a Lexus built in a Japanese factory - they seem to make the best product
How can you tell where it was built? I assume some website + VIN?
Japan-built cars have VINs starting with J. US-built - 1.
Also, sticker on door jam (usually drivers door) will tell you country of origin and the actual factory where assembled.
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Tenpoundbass
2023 Apr 12, 7:03am
Tenpoundbass
2023 Apr 12, 7:03am
zzyzzx says
Of course, but I expect a new car to not have a single issue where a mechanic is involved, for at least 4 years.
Aside from maintenance, or damaged caused by an accident.
If they are leasing new cars wouldn't the issues mentioned all be under warranty?
Of course, but I expect a new car to not have a single issue where a mechanic is involved, for at least 4 years.
Aside from maintenance, or damaged caused by an accident.
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BayArea
2023 Apr 12, 7:42am
BayArea
2023 Apr 12, 7:42am
desertguy says
The GX had a V8 in the 03-09 model years too.
4.7L timing belt equipped V8
gabbar says
desertguy says
a new GX with the last of the V-8's
When did they build the last of the V-8's?
The LX has already transitioned to a twin turbo V6, same with the LS. For the GX, 2023 is last year of the production run with a V8, which started in 2009, which is one of the reasons the 2022 and 23 are so bullet proof. Next year complete redesign.
The GX had a V8 in the 03-09 model years too.
4.7L timing belt equipped V8
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BayArea
2023 Apr 12, 7:44am
BayArea
2023 Apr 12, 7:44am
Tenpoundbass says
4yrs only?
If I have a major repair before 100k miles, I consider it a failure. In fact, I usually don’t buy cars until they are mostly depreciated and above 100k miles.
zzyzzx says
If they are leasing new cars wouldn't the issues mentioned all be under warranty?
Of course, but I expect a new car to not have a single issue where a mechanic is involved, for at least 4 years.
Aside from maintenance, or damaged caused by an accident.
4yrs only?
If I have a major repair before 100k miles, I consider it a failure. In fact, I usually don’t buy cars until they are mostly depreciated and above 100k miles.
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RWSGFY
2023 Apr 12, 7:57am
RWSGFY
2023 Apr 12, 7:57am
BayArea says
These are good bargain because people tend to sell them cheap at 100-120K mark because that TB/WP job at a dealer is $$$. If you can turn a wrench, it's only ~$600 in geniune Toyota parts and 3-4 hours of work. Did it twice on my V8 'yota already.
desertguy says
gabbar says
desertguy says
a new GX with the last of the V-8's
When did they build the last of the V-8's?
The LX has already transitioned to a twin turbo V6, same with the LS. For the GX, 2023 is last year of the production run with a V8, which started in 2009, which is one of the reasons the 2022 and 23 are so bullet proof. Next year complete redesign.
The GX had a V8 in the 03-09 model years too.
4.7L timing belt equipped V8
These are good bargain because people tend to sell them cheap at 100-120K mark because that TB/WP job at a dealer is $$$. If you can turn a wrench, it's only ~$600 in geniune Toyota parts and 3-4 hours of work. Did it twice on my V8 'yota already.
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BayArea
2023 Apr 12, 1:09pm
BayArea
2023 Apr 12, 1:09pm
I don’t replace timing belts (Toyota/Lexus recommends 90k mile intervals)
I understand the 4.0 V8 and 4.3 V8 and 4.7 V8 are interference engines and having the belt break would be a disaster (take out the engine). However, I’ve had too many 200k+ mile cars on original timing belts to consider paying $2k service for a $6-7k car. I’ll roll the dice while knowing the risk.
I’ve always wanted to say, “I broke the belt and Toyota is right to recommend the $2k TB service every 90k miles”. No matter how hard I’ve tried I’ve never been able to break one in my lifetime across many high mileage cars.
I understand the 4.0 V8 and 4.3 V8 and 4.7 V8 are interference engines and having the belt break would be a disaster (take out the engine). However, I’ve had too many 200k+ mile cars on original timing belts to consider paying $2k service for a $6-7k car. I’ll roll the dice while knowing the risk.
I’ve always wanted to say, “I broke the belt and Toyota is right to recommend the $2k TB service every 90k miles”. No matter how hard I’ve tried I’ve never been able to break one in my lifetime across many high mileage cars.
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EBGuy
2023 Apr 12, 3:41pm
BayArea says
Hmmm.... what about the water pump? I usually have them replace the pump while they have things open for the belt job. Remember Andy Grove...
However, I’ve had too many 200k+ mile cars on original timing belts to consider paying $2k service for a $6-7k car.
Hmmm.... what about the water pump? I usually have them replace the pump while they have things open for the belt job. Remember Andy Grove...
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BayArea
2023 Apr 12, 3:45pm
BayArea
2023 Apr 12, 3:45pm
Nope
I’ve had water pumps go after 50k on some cars and never go on others. When they go I replace them. Sure, it could happen at an inopportune time but again, I’ll take that risk.
My current Lexus is 22yrs old and has 166k miles on the original timing belt and water pump.
If you are replacing a timing belt, you’d be crazy not to do the water pump at the same time.
Also, I’ve seen 200k timing belts that appeared to have no visible wear that I could detect by eye.
I’ve had water pumps go after 50k on some cars and never go on others. When they go I replace them. Sure, it could happen at an inopportune time but again, I’ll take that risk.
My current Lexus is 22yrs old and has 166k miles on the original timing belt and water pump.
If you are replacing a timing belt, you’d be crazy not to do the water pump at the same time.
Also, I’ve seen 200k timing belts that appeared to have no visible wear that I could detect by eye.
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RC2006
2023 Apr 12, 4:21pm
RC2006
2023 Apr 12, 4:21pm
More likely to have water pump fail before timing belt, but yes if one fails might as well get the other done at the same time.
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Eric Holder
2023 Apr 13, 1:29pm
Eric Holder
2023 Apr 13, 1:29pm
BayArea says
Sometimes it's not the belt itself - it's a pulley or water pump which seizes and kills the belt (and the engine if it's interference design). But the recommended intervals ARE very conservative indeed: for example some cars have recommendation for TB change at 60K outside of CA and 105K miles in CA. Same fucking belt in the same fucking engine. With low-revving Toyota V8 I can see it going 2x the recommended distance no prob.
Another point is there is no recommended interval for WP change on chain-timed engines.
Nope
I’ve had water pumps go after 50k on some cars and never go on others. When they go I replace them. Sure, it could happen at an inopportune time but again, I’ll take that risk.
My current Lexus is 22yrs old and has 166k miles on the original timing belt and water pump.
If you are replacing a timing belt, you’d be crazy not to do the water pump at the same time.
Also, I’ve seen 200k timing belts that appeared to have no visible wear that I could detect by eye.
Sometimes it's not the belt itself - it's a pulley or water pump which seizes and kills the belt (and the engine if it's interference design). But the recommended intervals ARE very conservative indeed: for example some cars have recommendation for TB change at 60K outside of CA and 105K miles in CA. Same fucking belt in the same fucking engine. With low-revving Toyota V8 I can see it going 2x the recommended distance no prob.
Another point is there is no recommended interval for WP change on chain-timed engines.
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BayArea
2023 Apr 13, 10:11pm
BayArea
2023 Apr 13, 10:11pm
Yes, that is 100% right.
Timing belts have been known to snap due to seized water pumps.
Timing belts have been known to snap due to seized water pumps.
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HeadSet
2023 Jul 24, 11:38am
HeadSet
2023 Jul 24, 11:38am
RedStar says
Ford dropped the MSRP of F-150 Lightnings by $10k across all models.
Supposedly C8 Corvettes have dropped to MSRP as of this month
Ford dropped the MSRP of F-150 Lightnings by $10k across all models.
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I can confirm that without question, used car prices are dropping. Cars are sitting on the market longer, dealers are more willing to negotiate, and buyer pools are decreasing compared to just 6mo ago.
We haven’t even scratched the surface of the repos coming in CY23 from the volume of people who took out big loans over the last two years at near 0 prime rate who are now underwater.
Also, the chip industry is catching up to the shortage that existed in the pandemic which is further flooding the market.
2023 will be a great time to buy a used car.